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emptybowl
I know this isn't a hospital but what can I do? He's been having sharp pains in his brain and all he can do right now is try and get a better position at his job so that he can get health insurance. All I've been able to pull up so far in medical research is go to a doctor! I just started to read about it though and really need all the help I can get.

Does anyone know of what I should do to help him? I'm broker than he is and all I can do is hope for the best right now. Has anyone gone through anything like this? The only thing I could think of to help him was maybe some kind of meditation or something like that. I have read stories about people curing thier own ailments like this, but even Buddah was said to have died from a disease. I know some of you know alot about the mind and the brain. Do you know if thiers anything I or he can do to at all to slow or reverse the process if it is cancer?

Please Help

emptybowl

maximus242
It could take hours to answer those questions thoroughly..

First of all, dont jump to conclusions, unless you have affirmed that he has cancer for sure. There are SO many alternative cancer treatments, where one begins is a huge task. I will give you some general ground rules to sift information.

First of all, anything with the word new age is unreliable.

Second, your best source for information is a University. Some universities allow the public into their libraries, so you may be able to read the real books on brain cancer.

Third, there are free cancer treatment centers all across North America. You dont nessecarily need insurance to get cancer treatment. For starters try the Cancer Treatment Centers of America. If your friend really does have brain cancer, I think you will be suprised at how many organizations may volunteer to pay for the treatments.

That said, I am not 100% sure your friend will get treatment for free, but at the least he can get a health care loan for the treatment which he can pay off over time. The earlier you find out if its cancer, the better.

While personally I think there are some problems with modern cancer treatments, if your going to go alternative - do it right and base it in sound scientific theory.

Honestly, there are so many claims for cures to cancer - both scientific and unscientific, its really a matter of absobing large volumes of information and sifting through them.
Chip
QUOTE(maximus242 @ Mar 16, 2007, 09:55 PM) *

First of all, anything with the word new age is unreliable.
Don't listen to this maximus guy with this unqualified total denouncement. I'll give you a PM with some ideas. My dad died from brain cancer a little more than a year ago and in the process I learned a lot. I and one of my sisters found the best therapy being offered right now but there were sociological complications that made it impossible for my dad to get the treatments. Will have to refresh my memory so give me a bit of time.
Chip
I found an email address at the web site you list and used that. Here's hoping you and your buddy get a handle on this stuff.
maximus242
I think its really irresponsible that your recommending this person goes to some witchdoctor rather than a medical professional.
emptybowl
He says it seems to be going away. maybe he's just been having bad headaches. I hope thats the case. Thanks for the advice.

tweaqslug
I'm not sure I understand the comment about a witchdoctor. As for sources of information, Universities and peer review journals do contain good information but contain only information that has passed through several layers of red tape. I would not trust a self proclaimed New Ager any more than a Christian scientist for medical advice, but I would not discount the several thousand years of folk medicine ejust because it hasn't been peer reviewed or undergone pharma sponsered testing either.

Anyway as far as folk medicine goes you might look into Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2). Yes the stuff that foams when you put it on cuts. When taken internally it increases the blood oxygen level in your body. Bacteria and Cancer cells can not thrive in oxygen rich environments and there have been several anecdotal cases of cancer remission after using H2O2. In addition I have notice fewer headaches and increased clarity of though after taking H2O2 for just a few days. You must make sure you get the dosage correct though, it is non-toxic in small amounts at 3% (the standard concentration) but it can be unpleasant of too much is taken.

Check out EarthClinic website (can't post the link as i am a new user) for more info. I personally have been using the inhaler method listed there for about a month now, and I'm hooked. It's better than coffee for alertness, and it even seems to have eased my cravings when I quit smoking a couple weeks ago.
Hey Hey
QUOTE(tweaqslug @ Mar 25, 2007, 01:46 AM) *
Yes the stuff that foams when you put it on cuts.
But do you know why?
QUOTE(tweaqslug @ Mar 25, 2007, 01:46 AM) *
When taken internally it increases the blood oxygen level in your body.
If this gets into your blood when taken orally, I'll eat my hat! It's more likely to make you fart! Read some science books, or rather common sense books.
QUOTE(tweaqslug @ Mar 25, 2007, 01:46 AM) *
Bacteria and Cancer cells can not thrive in oxygen rich environments and there have been several anecdotal cases of cancer remission after using H2O2.
Some bacteria can thrive in very high [O2]. Anecdotes are best in comedians biographies, otherwise in the bin.
QUOTE(tweaqslug @ Mar 25, 2007, 01:46 AM) *
In addition I have notice fewer headaches and increased clarity of though after taking H2O2 for just a few days.
Must be true then with this large cohort used in the clinical trial.
QUOTE(tweaqslug @ Mar 25, 2007, 01:46 AM) *
You must make sure you get the dosage correct though, it is non-toxic in small amounts at 3% (the standard concentration) but it can be unpleasant of too much is taken.
The concentration of an ingredient is not the same thing as a dosage! The quantity of a given concentration that you take is, and that would need to be specified. Or is that an anecdote too?

Non-toxic means ..... ? Try pouring some 3% onto an open cut. You'll soon see how non-toxic it is. Then think of this down your oesophagus and stomach.
QUOTE(tweaqslug @ Mar 25, 2007, 01:46 AM) *
Check out EarthClinic website (can't post the link as i am a new user) for more info. I personally have been using the inhaler method listed there for about a month now, and I'm hooked. It's better than coffee for alertness, and it even seems to have eased my cravings when I quit smoking a couple weeks ago.
This is the second board on BM where you've attempted to advertise this company selling unsubstantiated treatments and products. What commission do they pay you? The H2O2 method obviously doesn't help treat subnormal intelligence!
tweaqslug
QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Mar 25, 2007, 01:06 PM) *

QUOTE(tweaqslug @ Mar 25, 2007, 01:46 AM) *
You must make sure you get the dosage correct though, it is non-toxic in small amounts at 3% (the standard concentration) but it can be unpleasant of too much is taken.
The concentration of an ingredient is not the same thing as a dosage! The quantity of a given concentration that you take is, and that would need to be specified. Or is that an anecdote too?

Yes of course the concentration != dosage. Standard bottles of H2O2 have a concentration of 3%, but you can also get food grade H2O2 with a concentration of 35%. The dosage you want to take is a factor of concentration. I'm just saying that if you want to try using 35% food grade, make sure you dilute it correctly and take the appropriate amount based on that concentration.


QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Mar 25, 2007, 01:06 PM) *

QUOTE(tweaqslug @ Mar 25, 2007, 01:46 AM) *

When taken internally it increases the blood oxygen level in your body.

If this gets into your blood when taken orally, I'll eat my hat! It's more likely to make you fart! Read some science books, or rather common sense books.

Cutaneous Oxygen Uptake (absorbing oxygen through the skin and membranes) is a well established medical concept. The amount of oxygen that is absorbed and the depth that is absorbed to depends on the nature of the membrane it must pass through. The amount that you would take internally is not nearly enough to give you gas.

QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Mar 25, 2007, 01:06 PM) *

Non-toxic means ..... ? Try pouring some 3% onto an open cut. You'll soon see how non-toxic it is. Then think of this down your oesophagus and stomach.

What you are seeing as it fizzes on a cut is the H2O2 breaking down into water and oxygen. Neither of which are toxic. Try reading a science book yourself.

QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Mar 25, 2007, 01:06 PM) *

QUOTE(tweaqslug @ Mar 25, 2007, 01:46 AM) *
Check out EarthClinic website (can't post the link as i am a new user) for more info. I personally have been using the inhaler method listed there for about a month now, and I'm hooked. It's better than coffee for alertness, and it even seems to have eased my cravings when I quit smoking a couple weeks ago.

This is the second board on BM where you've attempted to advertise this company selling unsubstantiated treatments and products. What commission do they pay you? The H2O2 method obviously doesn't help treat subnormal intelligence!

Yes this is the second board I have posted this two because I though it was relevant in both cases. If you had even bothered to glance at the site I mentioned you would notice that IS NOT A COMPANY. They do not sell products at all. It is a social networking site dedicated to folk remedies. As such is it by it's very nature anecdotal. But when you see 70 random people who take the time post post a comment about how cayenne pepper got rid of their sore throat, it gives it a bit more credence than normal.

I am not trying to sell anything, and I do not wish to disrespect this board. I just figured that people here might have an open mind about things, and I wanted to share something that I thought was relevant to the topic at hand.
maximus242
People on BrainMeta listen to newage ideas all the time, it just how you present the information that is important.

I would strongly suggest reading up of the effects of Hydyogen Peroxide and call the poision and control center, they are the best source and are more reliable than any internet site.

They can give you the final word on whether or not oral consuption of Hydrogen Peroxide is dangerous.
Hey Hey
Toxicology:

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/MHMI/mmg174.html

Use in cancer:

"Patients with cancer should not consider oxygen therapies as either alternative (first-line) or adjunct (complementary) therapies." (Cassileth)

"After studying the literature and other available information, the American Cancer Society has found no evidence that treatment with hydrogen peroxide or other 'hyperoxygenating' compounds is safe or results in objective benefit in the treatment of cancer. Lacking such evidence, the American Cancer Society strongly urges individuals with cancer not to seek such treatment." (CA)

Professional Evaluation / Critique

"Hydrogen peroxide does participate in the bactericidal processes within activated phagocyte cells. But when it escapes from the cells into the adjacent extracellular space during the inflammatory process, it becomes a major contributor to the tissue damage seen in lung disease, malignancies, and hemolysis. The presence of pharmacological concentrations of hydrogen peroxide in the blood is clearly a double-edged sword which can easily cause as much harm as it can cause good." (Green)

"The amount of oxygen contained in the few cubic centimeters of peroxide included in Donsbach's 4-hour intravenous infusions is less than the amount in a single deep breath of air." (Barrett)

"Oral hydrogen peroxide would automatically be ineffective since all of the hydrogen peroxide would be eliminated in the stomach forming water and inert gaseous oxygen which would then be lost in burping or passing flatus. No effect would occur in the body." (Personal)

"In 1988, the U.S. Postal Service issued Donsbach a cease and desist order to stop him from claiming that the hydrogen peroxide used orally or intravenously is effective against cancer or arthritis, or that it is fit for human consumption." (U.S. Congress)

Hydrogen peroxide is a treatment provided by the Bio-Genesis Clinic in Mexico. However, "instead of presenting the public with sound, verifiable, scientific research and conclusions, clinics such as Bio-Genesis seem to rely more heavily on testimonials from former patients as their proof." (DuBois)

Toxicity / Risks

"Hydrogen peroxide can be harmful, causing toxic reactions if taken internally in excessive amounts or as an undiluted preparation." (Cassileth)

"A continuous infusion of peroxide that results in 0.01 volume per 100 ml blood can cause an arterial gas embolism [sudden blocking of an artery] and irreversible lung damage. That such adverse reactions do occur is clear from reports in the medical literature. These incidents include: oxygen gas emboli, necrosis [the sum of the morphological changes indicative of cell death], and gangrene following peroxide enemas or colonic lavage [washing out of the colon]; emphysema [accumulation of air in tissues or organs] following peroxide mouthwash or gargle; and ulcerative colitis [inflammation of the colon], gas embolism, and emphysema following deep wound irrigation. Peroxide ingestion results in respiratory arrest, seizures, gas embolism in the portal circulation, shock, and acute hemolysis [disruption of red blood cell membrane causing release of hemoglobin]. Stroke and multiple cerebral infarcts and venous embolism follow irrigation of anal fistula [one opening on the cutaneous surface of the anus] and irrigation of surgical wounds." (Green)

"H2O2 must be diluted sufficiently or it may cause chemical burns. H2O2 often cause nausea when taken orally." (Ontario)

"Thirty-five percent hydrogen peroxide is commercially available as an oxidant and disinfectant. This solution is currently sold and promoted in health food stores in th United States as a means of 'improving oxygenation' in people with coronary artery disease and other health problems. Our findings show the high toxicity of concentrated hydrogen peroxide. CNS [central nervous system] damage and death are likely consequences after ingestion of this agent." (Ashdown)

"Promoters of hydrogen peroxide tend to downplay its potential for harm . ... In fact, however, during the past three years, six children have been seriously poisoned and one died as a result of accidentally drinking the concentrated solution stored in their refrigerator. The product in the fatal case had been obtained by mail order as an alternative medicine. A near-fatal case of ingestion by an adult also has been reported." (CA)

"The present study clearly demonstrates that H2O2 acts as a carcinogen. Reactive oxygen intermediates have been reported to induce single-strand breaks in cellular DNA, oxidation of DNA bases, chromosomal aberrations, and DNA-protein cross-links." (Okamoto)
Hey Hey
I've been looking further at that "NOT A COMPANY" dotcom and I've definitely decided to market a cancer cure that's better than almost every PRODUCT that they are NOT TAKING A CUT from advertising. So here we go:

SHIT SANDWICHES - HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. WILL DEFINITELY CURE ANY DISEASE, INCLUDING TERMINAL CANCER. COMPLETELY NATURAL PRODUCT WITH NO ADDITIVES. BIODEGRADABLE AND SAFE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. UNTESTED FOR THE USAGE RECOMMENDED BUT PLENTY OF ANECDOTES (MAINLY MY OWN). Contact me via BM as I'm not a company.

(Sorry Shawn, but I'm at the end of my tether with these know-it-all know-nothings trying to make big bucks out of their uneducable and simple-minded conspecifics by peddling timewasting herbal religion with no scrap of scientific evidence and with a fair chance of harming the health (directly or indirectly) and pockets of innocents.)
maximus242
Its been getting out of hand lately, this is what, third one this week? Starting to feel overloaded with newage conartists.

tweaqslug, Hydrogen Peroxide is not recommended at all.

I do have one question though, WHY drink Hydrogen Peroxide to increase oxygen levels when there are pills that athletes take to increase their oxygen levels? I mean, the pills are scientifically tested to increase oxygen levels, H202 has no scientific evidence. Pills are regulated by the FDA, H202 could cause damage, its not meant to be taken orally.

If you want to increase oxygen levels, just go to an athletic supply store (like those nutrition stores that sell all the steroids) and ask them for pills to increase your oxygen levels.
tweaqslug
QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Mar 26, 2007, 05:54 AM) *

I've been looking further at that "NOT A COMPANY" dotcom and I've definitely decided to market a cancer cure that's better than almost every PRODUCT that they are NOT TAKING A CUT from advertising. So here we go:

SHIT SANDWICHES - HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. WILL DEFINITELY CURE ANY DISEASE, INCLUDING TERMINAL CANCER. COMPLETELY NATURAL PRODUCT WITH NO ADDITIVES. BIODEGRADABLE AND SAFE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. UNTESTED FOR THE USAGE RECOMMENDED BUT PLENTY OF ANECDOTES (MAINLY MY OWN). Contact me via BM as I'm not a company.

(Sorry Shawn, but I'm at the end of my tether with these know-it-all know-nothings trying to make big bucks out of their uneducable and simple-minded conspecifics by peddling timewasting herbal religion with no scrap of scientific evidence and with a fair chance of harming the health (directly or indirectly) and pockets of innocents.)


Wow, I originally made the post as a good-faith effort to share information I thought was interesting and useful. I did not expect such a harsh backlash, and I do not like being called a con-artist, I'm just a programmer in california that though I found something cool and wanted to share it.
I understand now that I should provide more information to support my posts. I should have given more warning about safety precautions, I personally only take a couple of grams of 1% a day, and I would not risk using the 35% food grade stuff. I also understand that there are probably better ways of oxygenating the blood.

But I still don't understand how you claim that site is trying to make big bucks off unsuspecting people. The vast majority of the remedies listed can be bought at your local grocery store. And as far as I can tell they don't even have banner advertising. The top 5 remedies listed on the site are:
  • Apple Cider Vinegar
  • Baking Soda
  • Hydrogen Peroxide
  • Coconut Oil
  • Tomato Tea
The site simply caters to people who would rather take an unprocessed plant product than an engineered chemical supplement. Herbal remedies have been around far longer than scientific remedies. And yes, many people have "discovered" their own remedies, and used them to make a quick buck. You can't claim that the entire body of folk remedies is time-wasting herbal religion, any more than you can claim that all chemically engineered medicine are polluting the body with unnatural toxins with unknown long-term effects.
maximus242
No ones against herbal remedies, weve just seen a wave of people come to this site who have just shelled out forty or fifty bucks for something useless.

I dont think H202 would even work for increasing oxygen, its chemical state would seem to contradict that. It would probably cause water to be created rather than increasing oxygen.

Hey Hey is just cautious because weve had other cases that are similar to this that ended in someone doing some kind of self promotion, so forgive us if were skeptical sometimes.

Actually, I just used a Lucid Dreaming tea last night, 100% herbal, I am not sure if its just the placebo effect or not, but I dont really care cause it worked lol. So you see, we just try to protect people who read this forum from doing things that could injure or harm them, H202 can be quite dangerous and can cause systemic posioning.
Hey Hey
I take it all back. I feel so much better after reading some of the entries on the dotcom's website. In fact, I still can't stop laughing (ps ACV is Apple Cider Vinegar):

yes vitamin C is a cure for miscarriage

creating stem cells inside your body using low level electricity, mineral, and nutrients

I had had a normal body temp of 96.8 for years and after initiated Lugol's iodine footpainting, within this time period as well, my normal body temp is up to 98 from below 97

After reading about ACV I got up and mix one TS in one glass of water and without thinking i drank it . After 10 minutes my head suddenly clear and then my migraine was gone which I have been having for the last 10 years every week and i do not know how many pandols i have taken for that.----Well for the last 2 months, I am bloat free, water retention free, migraine free, and i am feeling comfortable for the first time in last 10 years. I have lost 10 pounds and I know my exact size now. Plus I had very bad dandruff and hair acne and twice a week I have been washing my hair with ACV and after two months I am free of dandruff and acne.

My list shows here how ACV has helped me in the last 10 days.
Acid Reflux-
Asthma
Coughing fits
Choking
Sore throat
Hot flash
Arthritis
Muscle aches
Dry skin, patches
Hair fall out
Dehydration
Allergies
Bloating
Itchy skin
Hives
Soft nails
Unwanted odors - Ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!
Sneezing - Ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!
RLS
Sleepless nights
Lazy appetite
Nausea
Constipation
Frequent urination/ bladder pain
Depression
Stomach cramps
Charlie horses
Gingivitis
Bruising
Swollen veins
Anxiety
Nervousness
Rapid heartbeat
Hyperventilation - Ha ha ha ha ha, no stop it please, I can't take any more!!!!!!!
Lack of energy
Craving sweets and junk food

Best of all:

All material on EarthClinic.com is published for discussion purposes only. It should not be relied upon, in whole or in part, as the basis for any medical decision. Consult a physician regarding the applicability of any opinions or recommendations with respect to your symptoms or medical condition.
Lindsay
How many of you are familar with the work of Dr. Andrew Weil and his work in the INTEGRATIVE MEDICINE MOVEMENT at the University of Phoenix, Arizona? I think Dr. Weil did his primary medical studies at Harvard.

In your opinion is this a valid approach total health?

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Dr.+An...le+Search&meta=
http://www.tranceformation.com/trance.mv?ARTID=credentials
Dr. Weil's personal site is http://www.drweil.com/drw/ecs/index.html
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My personal interest in and experience with hypnosis priompts me to post
http://www.tranceformation.com/trance.mv?ARTID=drweil
What Dr. Weil says about cancer: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA68312
maximus242
Looks like his site has good info, anyone else notice the diffrence between his herbal remedies and EarthClinics?

Also, TCM has been used for centuries and millions of people still use it today. Im not knocking the field as a whole, just the bad apples who provide so called cures that are dangerous.
Hey Hey
QUOTE(maximus242 @ Mar 27, 2007, 07:26 AM) *

Looks like his site has good info, anyone else notice the diffrence between his herbal remedies and EarthClinics?
I agree.
QUOTE(maximus242 @ Mar 27, 2007, 07:26 AM) *
Also, TCM has been used for centuries and millions of people still use it today.
Similarly, witch-doctors.
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