lets talk about the fringe topic of UFOs and Aliens.

What does everyone think of this stuff? What can explain this. We have many HOAXers and frauds. What else though?

Ill start, with some stuff:







4 Minute clip of "Case for Nasa UFOs" by David Sereda (Full Video is posted below, 4 minute clip shows craft in formation recorded by shuttle mission STS-80)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8536779374329988710

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Fastwalkers (New Documentary on Alien and UFO Disclosure. "Fastwalkers" is the NORAD Codeword for alien craft)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4807962636315529202

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This 2 hour video is a distillation of over 120 hours of video interviews made by Dr Greer. Dozens of highly credible military and government witnesses discuss UFO events and projects they have worked on.

Part 1:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6552475158249898710

Part 2:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4694075066240662837

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The Case for NASA UFOs: Footage from NASA STS Missions throughout the 90s. Intro by Dan Akroyd

PART I

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5070476612863849446

PART II

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8524267568796529301

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Paintings hundreds of years old that depict flying saucers:

http://xfacts.com/old/index.html

I'm yet to see any satisfactory evidence of extraterrestrial UFOs. There are too many black budget projects around to account for new flying vehicles that are actual unidentified flying objects (in the publics eye).

What I do give weight to though is alien abductions. Not in a physical sense, but as an effect of a natural DMT dose given by the body. I think this accounts for all fantastical creatures throughout history and is very similar to shamanic callings. Aliens either appear as "greys" - triangular faces and huge disc eyes, or half-human and half hybrid animals. These images are archetypes of our conscious.

Angels (winged humans, flight being the symbol of the force driving us)
Aliens
Fairies/Faeries
Leprachauns
Centaurs
Minotaurs
Medusa
blah blah

IF it is a natural phenomenon of the mind, then the thing connecting them all together is the overall spirit of life. These images could be coming directly from the building blocks within DNA, and since all life as we know it is built from DNA, it would make sense that the general spirit of life could materialise in the mind as any combination of these lifeforms.

Its definately worth looking into alien abductions and shamanic experiences, particularly the experimentations supposedly done to abductees and the rebuilding of a shaman at the point of his calling. They should consider creating medical staff from these abductees.

Graham Hancock has a book called Supernatural which looks at cave art and current shamanic experiences. He also goes into abductions, hybrid babies, faeries etc. (yeah i know he's on the fringe and a storyteller rather than a scientist). It does sound extremely fantastical but after you read about artificial DMT experiences (ie getting high), you may be open more to his ideas.

Whats funny from having read some of his other stuff is he's single handedly destroyed his previous theories by his realisation that the origin of civilisation is not from an Atlantean society. Rather the outward expression we call culture may be coming directly from our biology, with a few locale differences. However he refrains from making any comparisons with his older books and that one.

So in summary:
UFOs are probably military black budget planes
Alien abductions are the same shamanic experiences as shaman have been having forever, only in a context that has no experience with them.
DMT may be the cause of all our flights of imagination, religious ecstacy and visions, or a million other cases of monsters and aliens.

Guys I should confess: we really exist and live among you for many thousand years.

You should prepare you planet for defense as there are good Aliens and there are bad Aliens.



Sorry for joking.

LMAO!!!!
But seriously, though. After I picked myself up off the floor from laughing so hard at Enki's jokes: I don't believe in aliens. Well, I'll take that back, I believe in ilegal aliens.

No doubt that Extraterrestrial life exists and there is no doubt that intelligent beings visited our planet before. I strongly believe in that.

Maybe the extraterrestrials are extratemporials? Only time will tell!

There are so many stars its almost a mathematical certainty that there are other lifeforms in the Universe. Since the age of the Earth is enormous, and our species rise to consciousness very recent, its highly likely they've already been and gone!

Despite this, I still believe abductions are all in the mind, although still completely real for the people experiencing it.

..."Sheer statistics put the odds at a billion-to-one against our current ecosystem and odds of 10(-18)against duplication of mankind"...:

http://skew.ot.com/three/random/silence.html

Cheeky!

..... Duplication, however, is not required; the supposition is that there are many paths to the same end. thereby making it possible for many completely different, but similar, ETIS to evolve without outside intervention.

http://skew.ot.com/three/random/silence.html

Enter Google earth, zoom on Greenland and you will note two huge squares (pyramids) one near another under the snow. It tells much.

Those are the zoom-in and zoom-out code buttons!

Very funny.

Zoom on Greenland for this case sounds much better than zoom-in Greenland.

Besides zoom in on . E.g. I suggest we zoom in on the question of (something) ... .

That secret about Aliens in Greenland was a great secret of John Dee and the Freemasons for many, many centuries until Google Earth uncovered the story.

heres whats in the recent news

Cops baffled by object that crashes into home

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/04/fallen.object.ap/index.html

Istanbal; people claim to see UFO

http://english.sabah.com.tr/13594895DBFE49...C458E12FDE.html

UFO Burns in England Sky

http://www.shropshirestar.co.uk/2007/01/uf...ning-up-in-sky/

Object enters atmosphere in CO

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=62596

UFO Crashes in South Africa

http://www.24.com/news/?p=tsa&i=376703

Strange Sky Sightings In Kansas

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/5092086.html

*Flying Saucer over O'Hare Airport

http://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/a...onworldiraq-hed

France Space Agency releasing all UFO Data on their site

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/france_ufo_dc

UFO over Poland

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/sw...ver_swindon.php

Fleet of UFOs over Britain

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article...#39;/article.do

UFO Crash over Finland

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=49...778&q=ufo&hl=en

UFO over Russia

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5...fo+russia&hl=en






* interview with witness: http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/specia...port_121206.mp3

Very impressive news from France indeed.

Yes, quite an eyeful!

Yap, 2’007 will be an interesting year.

Something's going on. At 9:57 CST I got the message I copied and pasted below as I was trying to enter the board. And after several tries I finally got through. But the message keeps popping-up on and off, Enki. So, you're right about that. Maybe the Jihad thing....



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"Man...is alone in the unfeeling immensity of the universe, out of which he has emerged only by chance"

http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.182...icle_detail.asp


Sorry for the blow to the dreamers in you. But this is more in the order of the way things probably are. We are the product of an insana rarety, most likely. Which would explain why we're so willing to f**k it all up at a minute's notice.

Well I figure if we f**k it all up, in another few billion years, there will be life again. While there may be an increadibly small probability for life to occur, it is bound to happen again eventually.

The Universe is dying, Flex. Didn't you know?

I guess we need more permanent solution to our problem.

Well if the universe is dying then it doesn't matter if we destroy ourselves or just wait for the end~Problem solved

Do not worry we will create another one.

I hope it is like Disney World--that place is amazing

Yap, a wonderland.

Re: A universe that will eventually die and creating or escaping to another one:

Kaku

http://www.mkaku.org/

http://www.myspace.com/mkaku

Re: UFO Frauds and charlatans:

website exposes them:

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/hall1.html

same website gives opinion on who are honest researchers, such as peter davenport of the national UFO reporting center:

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/fame1.html

Interesting links Tone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpK5a5l8Y58

if this short video interests you , then scroll up and hit case for nasa UFOs

OMG, someone else finally figured it out too! Google is owned by the aliens, and they're using the Google Earth satellite to read our thoughts!

But they'll never get me because of my alien-ray, reflective (tinfoil) hat! Ha ha ha!!!

Uh oh, Enki, are you one of them?!?

Errr.....I'm normal....seriously. I promise....

A word of caution, Enki is a bad person to piss off, most of the people you see labeled as God's generally try not to mock her. The kitty cat disapears and then re-appears the next moment, you never know when she will come to get you ^^

Guys, i have to point out, the high speed turn portion of the last video i post, isnt a high speed turn at all, its the camera zooming out making it look like it was. Sereda makes a jackass out of himself analyzing it while its nonexistent. you can see the camera is zooming out if you look at th earth too.

Tabulate the numbers yourself. The Drake Equation:

http://www.pbs.org/lifebeyondearth/listening/drake.html

And click on the light bulb for a quick animated movie that puts in all in even better perspective

Cool link. Thank you!

Here is a funny link on the subject: http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/17782.asp

Underground extraterrestrial and terrestrial UFO bases all around the world √ the 2012 effect
India Daily Technology Team
Aug. 6, 2007

Many scientists are now worried about the effects of the underground extraterrestrial and terrestrial bases below the tectonic crusts. These bases are hidden below the crust and also below the oceanic crust.

The bases are not just there to house the extraterrestrial UFOs; they are also being used by the Military of several nations.

The reverse engineering started decades back. After the major military powers understood the existence of some of these bases for the extraterrestrial UFOs. The need for hiding sophisticated technologies gave rise to the use of these bases by the major military powers.

Scientists are worried about the weakening crusts because of these innumerable terrestrial and extraterrestrial UFO bases. The manifestation of weakened crust under the ocean as well as surface of the earth can be catastrophic. Massive earthquakes, volcanoes, and tsunamis can engulf the whole world in 2012.

The human civilization is challenged in several fronts. By 2012, the biggest challenge will be from exponentially rising massive earthquakes and volcanoes.

Do we have any news about the French State UFO archives open?

they opened theres, MoD opens some recently

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotlan...ral/7275649.stm

and the amount of news in the subject is rising sharply

http://paradigmresearchgroup.org/newsitems2008.html

CNN: Arizona Governor Fife Symington:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLUAhVkGmj0

CNN: Stephen Bassett:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vymLxCgGKM4

Out of the Blue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBtVOhAl2ks

Dateline on Sunday aired a program on UFOs. to see the segments of that program, click here and use the left side bar

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24695796/?pg=8#DTL_10UFO

Larry King did yet another show on UFOs a couple days ago, to view that program, click here

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/4581/

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/4582/

The Vatican just said that its OK to believe in both aliens and god, and that aliens are also god's creation, click here for that news story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080513/ap_on_.../vatican_aliens

a New Government .gov site on UFOs and files released was launched, click here to visit it:

http://ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

to get more of the latest news, go here:

http://exopolitics.com

Recently UK government declassified some archives following the French one.

Which country will make first official declaration? Hm?

ever since the chicago tribune front page story of a UFO over ohare seen by pilots and airline employees ran on Jan 1 2007, the media realized the interest is very deep. that story got the most hits of any story on chicagotribune.com. millions. the writer got calls from around the world

the media now wants to capitalize on the UFO/ET interest, but who knows what disinfo and psyops they will mix in with half truth.

start with this program first:

http://exopoliticsradio.com/6-14-08.html

i recommend you go here and listen to all the other programs:

http://exopoliticsradio.com/audioarchives.html

Thank you, the intensification of the stories worldwide is obvious.

Have you watched Zeitgeist?

The main problem with our so called aliens is that some of them, maybe, travel in the Universe in the 'out of body state' (out of body experience). The materialization part is the most interesting speculation: I mean if an object from far away galaxy in the out of body state arrived here, then how it somehow materializes? I think Indiana Johns 4 disclosed interesting frames of that phenomena, is not it?

The 25 December can be considered as jumping (see Jumper movie with Skywalker starring) day for the Aslan (Sphinx). Why not?! The three Sages identified in the Zeitgeist with the 3 stars of the Orion Belt in the same way can be associated with the 3 Pyramids in Giza – the Jumper portal opening at 25 December at certain periods of time.

So I guess the SETI project eventually will progress in interesting direction soon.

So, if we consider possible Extraterrestrial Invasion as Invasion of an Army of Jumpers e.g. at Independence Day, I mean Invasion of some Transforming Organisms (e.g. invisible Transformers-objects in Out of Body State), from that specific point of view, then things as well as human history will look quite, quite, quite interesting and specific. Our Japanese friends made an interesting semi-political cartoon called Hellsing 4 about Vampires, Vatican, Hitler and Quean Elizabeth II, so if to consider the Invasion within the context of the logic of that cartoon, then the SETI related activities may acquire quite specific character and eventually we even may come to idea that the Vatican already had SETI Project and it was called Holly Inquisition. So if we mix all this with stories about shape changing reptilians and Man in Black movies, as well as stories about traveling in time, then we shall get absolutely new reality. In one day the small stone door at the background of the Obelisk in Acsum in Ethiopia will become a portal for Jumpers (in Out of Body Experience State) the curved windows at the upper parts of the Obelisk will acquire quite other interesting meanings etc, etc. The 3D Icons in Russian Churches in one day will be considered as Jumpers Gateways from one place in the Space to Another. And Swastika, Pentagram etc will acquire quite, quite, quite specific meanings. And the Empire of George Lucas in Star Wars saga will be a part of our reality, it will become Empire of Jumpers. So, eventually we shall understand what is Imperial Navy and what the Street Navy after all is.

So I think at consideration of the UFO phenomena we should part that onto two parts:

1. MFO-Material Flying Objects
2. IFO-Immaterial Flying Objects (e.g. Flying Dutchman, Black Perl, Endeavour of Lord Bekket
flying in space and time from here to New Atlantis and back etc.)

UFO=MFO+IFO. So the question is: how we can technically part the existing official observations of the UFO phenomena?!

There are records that at the beginning of 20-th century, during some religious festival somewhere in Spain or Portugal 4000 people could see as Sun and Moon were dancing in the sky. One can call that UFO phenomena as well. But you never know maybe during the preceding dancing observations they all were given 'Magic Mushrooms' made brew along with the Eucharistic ritual of eating Bread (made e.g. of acacia brew or of the Magic Mushrooms) and wine.

Hope this funny ideas will add up some understanding to UFO theories as a part of the theories over the Wonderland of small girl Alice.

I guess after Zeitgeist movie (especially its first part about the Gods) which starts to get worldwide popularity, some specific forces will make their own declarations if any country of this planet will not venture to make any.

So I think UFO investigations will intensify greatly.

Half truth is more dangerous than absence of knowledge.

[/quote] What can explain this?

The incipient awareness of other within us,
And the tricks of the mirrors.

There was a Czech writer Karel ÄŒapek (Google Karel ÄŒapek AND Wiki), he wrote a fiction book accentuating on intelligent salamanders seizing the world. Her Hitler was considering him as a Personal Enemy. So the topic is a quite old one.

You know the one who is within problem was well depicted visually in the Immortal fiction film (Google Immortal AND film AND Wiki), where it is demonstrated how the Egyptian God Horus can possess human body and stay within. Actually that Visual Ontology depicted in the film can be used to start to ponder over that “incipient awareness of other within us� which you mention.

The mirror case is more interesting (if you mean that very one, if other then please clarify). In semi shadow (in semi dark room) state when looking into mirror some people when squint describe (in literature and internet) that they start to see their own face image variation, in particularly like something - some sort of face (not their own face) zooms out and vibrates at surface of their own face like a mask (e.g. like the Green Mask of Jim Kerry). Some, sometimes see one eye vibration and strange movement like an eye over their own eye which moves in the mirror. Some people report that at day time they see such eye movements in face of other people on rare occasions, like something looking at them from within of other people.
The visual phenomena has many explanations, they all are quite different. Some say that nothing exists and that our Brain reconstructs reality and re- completes image elements and that effect is perceived on conscious level as own shape changing and sometimes color changing (which, sometimes just reflects the walls’ colors around the mirror on face, esp. green and dark blue colors). Some other suggest quite other theories, which, actually, generally the representatives of academic communities like we predominantly here are prefer not to discuss openly online but only at cup of tea on closed private boards, because it is extremely sensitive topic, you know.

As a funny example you can look at the photo of Ewan McGregor attached, he soon will star in the “I, Lucifer� movie, and besides as well as will very unexpectedly star in the Angels & Demons too.

So do you like this Miraculous Forum King Lizard?

http://www.cowabduction.com/

Make sure you click on the cow.

So you can post a link while I cannot. I see. I see.