Hey Hey
Dec 21, 2006, 09:59 AM
Should hyperreality be an accepted element of a singularized consciousness?
trojan_libido
Dec 26, 2006, 06:46 AM
Since evolution tends to speed up, hyper reality may be a good description.
Trip like I do
Dec 26, 2006, 09:56 AM
Is it a hyperreality or are we all just becoming hyperactive?
Hey Hey
Dec 26, 2006, 11:04 PM
QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Dec 26, 2006, 05:56 PM)

Is it a hyperreality or are we all just becoming hyperactive?
Maybe hyperreactive!
trojan_libido
Dec 27, 2006, 08:43 AM
I suppose we will need to become hyperactive, and speak in clicks and other strange mouth noises. Then we'll need to be hyperreactive to our surroundings. I guess it'll just be Hyper
Hey Hey
Dec 27, 2006, 11:42 AM
QUOTE(trojan_libido @ Dec 27, 2006, 04:43 PM)

I guess it'll just be Hyper

Administered with a hyperdermic?
Trip like I do
Dec 27, 2006, 02:16 PM
QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Dec 27, 2006, 02:42 PM)

QUOTE(trojan_libido @ Dec 27, 2006, 04:43 PM)

I guess it'll just be Hyper

Administered with a hyperdermic?
.... as long as it aims are towards becoming hyperaware, not hyper sensitive! Although I do like to be hyper stimulized,... ladies, want to come for a ride on me boat.... lol! Where have all the women gone on this forum. Its like one big sausage fest around here.
Trip like I do
Dec 27, 2006, 03:57 PM
.... has everything become hyper relative?
Trip like I do
Dec 27, 2006, 05:51 PM
QUOTE(trojan_libido @ Dec 27, 2006, 11:43 AM)

I suppose we will need to become hyperactive, and speak in clicks and other strange mouth noises. Then we'll need to be hyperreactive to our surroundings. I guess it'll just be Hyper

.... to think actively and to actively think.
Lao_Tzu
Dec 29, 2006, 05:47 AM
Hyperreality is something scarier than you may realise.
This from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperreality):
Hyperreality is a way of characterising the way the consciousness interacts with "reality". Specifically, when a consciousness loses its ability to distinguish reality from fantasy, and begins to engage with the latter without understanding what it is doing, it has shifted into the world of the hyperreal.
Most aspects of hyperreality can be thought of as "reality by proxy." For example, a viewer watching pornography begins to live in the non-existent world of the pornography, and even though the pornography is not an accurate depiction of sex, for the viewer, the reality of "sex" becomes something non-existent.
Umberto Eco looked at Disney as an example of hyperreality... a glitzy facade that was "more exciting, more beautiful, more inspiring, more terrifying, and generally more interesting than what we encounter in everyday life. In his description of Disney, Eco also saw that behind the facades lurks a sales pitch. Put these ideas together and you have a succinct characterization of the age, which is forever offering us something that seems better than real in order to sell us something."
The hyperreal results when consciousness cannot distinguish reality from imagination, and gets lost in the latter without realising it, or is lured into that state by the promise of a reward (a sales pitch). Not good, in my books. If that's the hyperreal, is hyperreality the unwitting experience of a fantasy world successfully masquerading as reality?
If so then I would say no, it ought not to be an accepted element of any consciousness. We ought to see the world as it is, not as we would prefer it to be or are fooled into thinking it is.
trojan_libido
Dec 29, 2006, 06:12 AM
So entertainment and marketing hope to get us hooked into these hyperreality states to sell their product. Thats grim news.
Trip like I do
Dec 29, 2006, 12:25 PM
QUOTE(Lao_Tzu @ Dec 29, 2006, 08:47 AM)

Hyperreality is something scarier than you may realise.
This from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperreality):
Hyperreality is a way of characterising the way the consciousness interacts with "reality". Specifically, when a consciousness loses its ability to distinguish reality from fantasy, and begins to engage with the latter without understanding what it is doing, it has shifted into the world of the hyperreal.
Most aspects of hyperreality can be thought of as "reality by proxy." For example, a viewer watching pornography begins to live in the non-existent world of the pornography, and even though the pornography is not an accurate depiction of sex, for the viewer, the reality of "sex" becomes something non-existent.
Umberto Eco looked at Disney as an example of hyperreality... a glitzy facade that was "more exciting, more beautiful, more inspiring, more terrifying, and generally more interesting than what we encounter in everyday life. In his description of Disney, Eco also saw that behind the facades lurks a sales pitch. Put these ideas together and you have a succinct characterization of the age, which is forever offering us something that seems better than real in order to sell us something."
The hyperreal results when consciousness cannot distinguish reality from imagination, and gets lost in the latter without realising it, or is lured into that state by the promise of a reward (a sales pitch). Not good, in my books. If that's the hyperreal, is hyperreality the unwitting experience of a fantasy world successfully masquerading as reality?
If so then I would say no, it ought not to be an accepted element of any consciousness. We ought to see the world as it is, not as we would prefer it to be or are fooled into thinking it is.
Now that sounds like complete jibberish, I ain't bying it.... snap back to reality.
Hyperreality could be seen as having the ability to see the reality on that plane as well, maybe even simultaneously, one reality parraleling the reality on another plane of experience in any given moment of duration.
Lao_Tzu
Dec 29, 2006, 12:59 PM
QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Dec 29, 2006, 10:25 PM)

Hyperreality could be seen as having the ability to see the reality on that plane as well, maybe even simultaneously, one reality parraleling the reality on another plane of experience in any given moment of duration.
Well I'm kinda in the dark here too, I just looked it up on the net and that's what I found.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say "Hyperreality could be seen as having the ability to see the reality on that plane as well"? Do you mean the plane of constructed reality, as in the hyperreality I quoted earlier? Or some (or any?) other kind of plane?
It might be possible to perceive two different conceptual frameworks for interpreting the same reality (e.g. the brand values of the McDonalds' M at the same time as the actual material of the glowing yellow plastic).
But I'm not sure that it's tenable to speak of two distinct realities, paralleling one another. If we call a reality a set of all that is real then you could not have two separate such sets, because the proper reality would be the sum of all such sets, and it's only by problematic semantic contortions that a subset of the whole could be called a different reality. (Even if there are two completely different types of experience happening simultaneously, if they were separate realities then they wouldn't be temporally comparable and we couldn't speak of them. Any two or more events, experiences, things, or sets thereof must both be of the same one reality.)
Reality does include what we think about reality, but the content of those thoughts need not correspond to reality itself. So we might develop thoughts about the way reality is, but while those thoughts are part of reality, their content might be untrue. Believing the untrue content of the thoughts, and taking that to be reality, we could construct the hyperreal.
Or that is my initial understanding following superficial research on the subject.
Definitions from writers about hyperreality (from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperreality):"The simulation of something which never really existed." - Jean Baudrillard
"The authentic fake." - Umberto Eco
Trip like I do
Dec 29, 2006, 01:09 PM
QUOTE(trojan_libido @ Dec 26, 2006, 09:46 AM)

Since evolution tends to speed up, hyper reality may be a good description.
Dark energy is driving the expansion of the universe at an ever accelerating rate.... hence the underlying physical explanation as to why we are temporally experiencing both subjective and objective reality to occur at a seemingly accelerating rate.
Only when we learn to dilate time and contract space can we at first individually, then collectively slow the process down.
Trip like I do
Dec 29, 2006, 02:02 PM
maybe we are already beginning to contract space and dilate time....
.... the contraction of moving bodies, for example, which to Lorentz was an ordinary physical effect like the contraction through cooling, and to Einstein was merely the result of the difference in the times that were regarded as simultaneous by relatively moving observers....
what time is it there?
it's 5:03 pm here!
Trip like I do
Dec 29, 2006, 02:05 PM
.... the relativity of assymetrical aging.
Trip like I do
Dec 29, 2006, 02:25 PM
motion through the ether retards the rate of working
.... one's clock actually slows down by its motion through the ether, both outward and backward, to record a shorter time for the journey than a clock that has not moved.
Hey Hey
Dec 29, 2006, 02:40 PM
QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Dec 29, 2006, 10:25 PM)

motion through the ether retards the rate of working
.... one's clock actually slows down by its motion through the ether, both outward and backward, to record a shorter time for the journey than a clock that has not moved.
If there was an ether, then that might be true. Unfortunately there isn't, so what do you think actually causes the retardation?
Trip like I do
Dec 29, 2006, 03:07 PM
I guess I was using that in a metaphorical sense for the concept of space.
How many times to I have to say it? lol .... dilation.
Trip like I do
Dec 29, 2006, 03:07 PM
What happens when ones pupil dilates?
Hey Hey
Dec 29, 2006, 11:48 PM
Assuming that you mean dilation of space, what do you mean by space?
Trip like I do
Dec 30, 2006, 07:38 AM
We contract space by dilating time .....temporally.
.... but what do I actually know, I'm merely philosophiizng.
Enki
Jan 06, 2007, 11:50 AM
Let us not divert from key scientific concepts otherwise this philosophic discussion may lead us astray.
Trip like I do
Jan 06, 2007, 01:41 PM
Sometimes it is beneficial to be led astray.... but what I am philosophizing is not leading anywhere except towards sharing an understanding and experience of the hyper real.
Hey Hey
Jan 06, 2007, 02:24 PM
QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Jan 06, 2007, 09:41 PM)

an understanding and experience of the hyper real.

You got it!
Enki
Jan 06, 2007, 04:38 PM
QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Jan 06, 2007, 01:41 PM)

Sometimes it is beneficial to be led astray.... but what I am philosophizing is not leading anywhere except towards sharing an understanding and experience of the hyper real.
Those who are lead by rational desire to construct, improve and learn should be guided by rational wisdom and strive to express ideas and concepts in most clear way so to stimulate others to catch the expressed ideas promptly and develop them into something more interesting, thus putting new brick on the old one.
So please indicate the aims of this particular quest and please be very cautious while utilizing scientific terminology at the philosophizing process.
Trip like I do
Jan 06, 2007, 07:53 PM
QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Jan 06, 2007, 05:24 PM)

QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Jan 06, 2007, 09:41 PM)

an understanding and experience of the hyper real.

You got it!
.... lol, I've always had it! I am now merely sharing and enlightening so that others will finally get it and aid others like myself in pulling the masses out of the turbidty of their ignorance for the betterment of the human species. Are you ready? Can you handle the new reality thats at your doorstep? Will you venture out and explore with your newly acquired heightened sensorial aperati, or will you cower in the basement of past failed temporal trajectories?
Trip like I do
Jan 06, 2007, 08:01 PM
QUOTE(Enki @ Jan 06, 2007, 07:38 PM)

QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Jan 06, 2007, 01:41 PM)

Sometimes it is beneficial to be led astray.... but what I am philosophizing is not leading anywhere except towards sharing an understanding and experience of the hyper real.
Those who are lead by rational desire to construct, improve and learn should be guided by rational wisdom and strive to express ideas and concepts in most clear way so to stimulate others to catch the expressed ideas promptly and develop them into something more interesting, thus putting new brick on the old one.
So please indicate the aims of this particular quest and please be very cautious while utilizing scientific terminology at the philosophizing process.
..!.. <--- that's me giving you the finger!
Ummmm..... no, I don't think I'll do that.... I enjoy the linguistic plasticity of vocabulary. So why don't you just crawl back into your tea induced hysterically myopic, rational and absolute brick brain and come back when something more bubbleous and maleable hits you. Quick, I think someone is hacking you right now.
I'm not here to give answers, I'm here to steer people off on relatively appropriate trajectories.... aren't you listening?
Cracks are starting to appear in the bastions.
Sometimes being led astray helps one establish what it was they were looking for in the first place.
The word matrix is vaster and more complex than you could ever possibly fathom.
All the grammar that you got has become miscellaneous.
Trip like I do
Jan 06, 2007, 09:13 PM
.... riddle me this!
Do you expand or contract space? Do you accelerate or dilate time?
Enki
Jan 07, 2007, 11:48 AM
QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Jan 06, 2007, 08:01 PM)

QUOTE(Enki @ Jan 06, 2007, 07:38 PM)

QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Jan 06, 2007, 01:41 PM)

Sometimes it is beneficial to be led astray.... but what I am philosophizing is not leading anywhere except towards sharing an understanding and experience of the hyper real.
Those who are lead by rational desire to construct, improve and learn should be guided by rational wisdom and strive to express ideas and concepts in most clear way so to stimulate others to catch the expressed ideas promptly and develop them into something more interesting, thus putting new brick on the old one.
So please indicate the aims of this particular quest and please be very cautious while utilizing scientific terminology at the philosophizing process.
..!.. <--- that's me giving you the finger!
Ummmm..... no, I don't think I'll do that.... I enjoy the linguistic plasticity of vocabulary. So why don't you just crawl back into your tea induced hysterically myopic, rational and absolute brick brain and come back when something more bubbleous and maleable hits you. Quick, I think someone is hacking you right now.
I'm not here to give answers, I'm here to steer people off on relatively appropriate trajectories.... aren't you listening?
Cracks are starting to appear in the bastions.
Sometimes being led astray helps one establish what it was they were looking for in the first place.
The word matrix is vaster and more complex than you could ever possibly fathom.
All the grammar that you got has become miscellaneous.
The bastions will never fail! Nobody is able to question their incessant power!

Do not forget that I am the inventor of the Words Matrixes concept and only I know their true power under the sun. Remember that!

Nobody can hack the Invisible Empire Trip!
Surrender my dear, brave, rebellious artist and enjoy the glamour of the Kingdom of Wisdom!
Do you like a cup of tea Earl Gray without lemon?
Enki
Jan 07, 2007, 11:49 AM
QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Jan 06, 2007, 09:13 PM)

.... riddle me this!
Do you expand or contract space? Do you accelerate or dilate time?
No, how can I? I am just Enki.
Trip like I do
Jan 07, 2007, 08:59 PM
QUOTE(Enki @ Jan 07, 2007, 02:49 PM)

QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Jan 06, 2007, 09:13 PM)

.... riddle me this!
Do you expand or contract space? Do you accelerate or dilate time?
No, how can I? I am just Enki.
.... there are ways, and yes, even just Enki could do these.
Flex
Jan 07, 2007, 09:03 PM
You expand space, and dilate time. Correct?
Trip like I do
Jan 07, 2007, 10:18 PM
metaphorically speaking via various mechanisms
Trip like I do
Jan 07, 2007, 10:26 PM
QUOTE(Enki @ Jan 07, 2007, 02:48 PM)

Do not forget that I am the inventor of the Words Matrixes concept and only I know their true power under the sun. Remember that!

lol.... that may be true, I believe its not, however if it were, that does not in and of itself grant you access to its fullest flexible potentiallity. And, you can remember that.
Trip like I do
Jan 07, 2007, 10:27 PM
QUOTE(Flex @ Jan 08, 2007, 12:03 AM)

You expand space, and dilate time. Correct?
You might like some of Henri Bergson's work.... may be not.
Hey Hey
Jan 08, 2007, 05:03 AM
As I stand here, am I closest to the infinitely small or the infinitely large?
Enki
Jan 08, 2007, 11:18 AM
QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Jan 07, 2007, 08:59 PM)

QUOTE(Enki @ Jan 07, 2007, 02:49 PM)

QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Jan 06, 2007, 09:13 PM)

.... riddle me this!
Do you expand or contract space? Do you accelerate or dilate time?
No, how can I? I am just Enki.
.... there are ways, and yes, even just Enki could do these.
Really?!!! Oh, teach me master!

A horse,
the horse, a kingdom for
the horse!
Enki
Jan 08, 2007, 11:29 AM
QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Jan 07, 2007, 10:26 PM)

QUOTE(Enki @ Jan 07, 2007, 02:48 PM)

Do not forget that I am the inventor of the Words Matrixes concept and only I know their true power under the sun. Remember that!

lol.... that may be true, I believe its not, however if it were, that does not in and of itself grant you access to its fullest flexible potentiallity. And, you can remember that.

Really? Interesting phrase Trip “fullest flexible potentiality". Why you think so? Why you so like to belittle me? You still do not reconcile with the fact of my existence?
I never claimed that I possess everything. I am just a humble person with funny imagination. I do not have great power neither I am reach.
I just play with words and letters. Nothing serious. Just a hobby.
Enki
Jan 08, 2007, 11:33 AM
QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Jan 07, 2007, 10:18 PM)

metaphorically speaking via various mechanisms
Trip! Don’t! Please!
Trip like I do
Jan 08, 2007, 08:45 PM
Society is moving to fast to become mythologized.
Trip like I do
Jan 08, 2007, 08:49 PM
We need to sloowwww it down.... extending moments of duration and experiences of simultaneity.
Enki
Jan 08, 2007, 10:05 PM
Do you know what exponential function is? I am sure that you do.
The Spirits of Wisdom are pushing mankind forward. I foresee great future for mankind, accelerated development will help to fly.
Microsoft introduced new Microsoft Office with integrated Groove Technologies, it becomes the most interesting synergizing tool in world scale. In true we entered into new era of business making. The alliance of Bill Gates and Ray Ozzie is a great alliance. I have been waiting for that moment for a long period of time.
Nobody is going to slow down development. Mankind is ready to make the Great Jump.
Besides I am planning to construct a new city.
Trip like I do
Jan 08, 2007, 10:33 PM
You misinterpret me again (oh, for the flexibilty of language, if only it would stay more still and was less fluctuous), as what I am suggesting are ways in which to slow down our experience of the relative planks time we all have here on this miniscule irrelevant little speck of dust in both the vastness of space and time of the cosmos, while simultaneously accelerating our understanding of both the inner and the outer across all the signifying planes experience.
.... and yes, I do appretiate the theory of exponential accumulation in many ways, of which relative few equally aggregate at this rate, but to who the moral responsibilty falls in putting the rest of humanity on its shoulders to help the masses peer into new and exciting potential vistas, stimulating in various ways through various techniques and devices a new and progressive way of looking at the world. Maybe it is just the humanist in me but that is how I've evolved to view the world, and all the historical experiences of what it ever meant to experience the world.
I would never intentionally be little Enki, as that would equate with either me being beligerant, you being hyper sensitive, or a misinterpreation of the wavelengths and signals being sent.
Sometimes Enki, i just never know what channel your communicating on or what station I'm tuning into when in communication with you.
Trip like I do
Jan 08, 2007, 10:39 PM
There will soon be no need to make that jump as there will soon be enough people who have already taken the potentially perilous leap so as to help bridge the gap and lay a new foundation so the rest of mankind can take a less harrowing journey to the potential new city.
Hey Hey
Jan 09, 2007, 06:33 AM
This hyperreality is really cool. A new form of entertainment or truly enlightening?
Trip like I do
Jan 09, 2007, 01:28 PM
Why not both? One and the same.... one as a means to the other.
Flex
Jan 09, 2007, 02:41 PM
This reality is complicated enough--a hyper reality is the last thing I need
Trip like I do
Jan 09, 2007, 04:34 PM
Yeah.... well you had better think about adapting/evolving.... beacause it ain't going anywhere for awhile.
Flex
Jan 09, 2007, 06:10 PM
I am looking foreward to the day when I look at my gradchildren, with their new hyper reality that I can't figure out

It will be like watching my grandparents trying to figure out the internet~ I hope I am old before I die, and I don't mean age. I hope I live to see the world change so drastically that I feel old~ I hope I live to see the day when politicians sit back and smoke a joint once in a while.
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