Science is the best religion exposing the existence of God to every ordinary human being on this earth including atheist.

If you see just a leaf and observe it deeply with the knowledge of Botany, you will be shocked with the miraculous work of God which reveals its unimaginable design, unimaginable co-ordination of functions of various cells etc. Through such unimaginable structure of the leaf you are first recognizing the unimaginable super power (Maya) of God. Immediately you will accept the possessor of the super power (Mayi) who is the Lord as said in the subsequent line of the same verse (Mayinamtu Maheshwaram….). Therefore, the deep analysis of the nature which is Science is exposing the miracle of God to every body in this world and there is no need of a separate miracle. Therefore, Science is the best religion exposing the existence of God to every ordinary human being on this earth including atheist. Therefore, I have given a place for Science in the symbol of Universal Spirituality. A scientist does not require a separate miracle to recognize the existence of God like a realized soul since the deeper analysis of this nature reveals the unimaginable power of God and there by His existence. A scientist who does not believe the existence of God is not a scientist at all. Thus, an ordinary ignorant devotee is helped by God through unimaginable ways. The exceptionally excellent devotee finds God’s help even through the natural ways. He thinks that even the natural respiration is by the grace and power of God only.

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

You have ten minutes to give me a good reason why I shouldn't delete this and all your posts on this forum.

So if I get a big enough microscope I will be able to actually see him?

I can understand if someone is spamming a website that one could be irritated but look how many start a thread with a link they have copied and pasted because they think it's important to them.

I think what Dattaswami posts has truth in it but I also think that he/she might post something that flows from their own heart rather than hiding behind someone elses words.


Because someone else says something is true does not make it true within us no matter what outside authority represents the truth until it lives in our own experience.

I don't find his posts invaluable. I see where they push those who have no tolerance in their world for anything that intrudes on their ability to control themselves and their environment.

Yea, whatever Jay. I'll just let it be and leave it up to a higher authority for the time being. But you know better about Datta-stunami and his posts, though. You've been here long enough.

Lol damn I want to know how this guy pissed you off so much...

If you have a choice and that choice is to delete his post you can do it without letting him ruin your day, but there is a reason these things piss people off. The inability to control the world and everything in it leaves one vulnerable and that creates issues.

He pissed all of us off, I fought with him a LOT, worst fights I ever got into on Brainmeta were with dattaswami.

Joesus, I cant agree with what your saying because you talk about many of subjects dattaswami discussed, yet you do not make people angry. The reason behind this I believe is that you present your theology and ideas in a more mature and resonable manner. I dont think people were mad at what dattaswami had to say but how he said it and the way he interacted with people on this forum. You and dattaswami had many similar topics but people got pissed off at dattaswami and not at you, the reason for me at least is because of the way you talked about the subject.

Sure people will fight from time to time but generally we have a balance between religion, philosophy and science. I think it is the openmindedness between people on the forum which allows for people of diffrent beliefs to talk about sensitive subjects. So, I think its possible to talk about religion where religious and non-religious people discuss things civilized, its just the way that the material is presented.

Notice that dattaswami constantly refers to himself as his holyness, the man literatly thought he was a god and trolled about it constantly.

What are you talking about?! He never answered back to posts on any of the threads that he initiated. We don't even know if this is a real person! I may be wrong but, right now, I don't know what you're talking about

Max, it would appear that Antony Anil is quoting from the words of Shri Datta Swami. Datta Swami is not himself posting from what I can tell.

The words "At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami" is a sign of reverence for the recognition of the voice of God moving forth from the body of the person known as Datta Swami. Datta refers to an incarnation of God, in this case Lord Dattatreya, like Jesus or Buddha or Lord Krishna in Hinduism.

Antony Anil appears to be a Wannabe disciple (posting on another forum) being outside of a small circle surrounding Datta Swami. There are others who are considered as being in the Datta form such a Sai Baba. This particular Datta appears to be a chemisty Teacher and sage located in Andhra Pradesh, India.

In some of the other websites that Antony Anil posts on his conversations seem directed back to the words of Datta Swami without too much experience of his own enlightenment.
In other words he has a lot of reverence for Datta Swami but not too much to say for his own experience.

In his circle of thought devotion means reward is forthcoming and so there is no reasoning with him, his vision is tightly wound around what he translates into God through his study of scripture and his belief.

There is nothing you could say to him that would impress him unless you could present yourself as an incarnation of Lord Dattatreya.

CB.. just use the ignore option.

A virtual person? Artificial intelligence? Extraterrestrial intelligence? God? Scary!

I don't recall saying that Datta-stunami pisses me off. He/She/It's just an anoyance, that's all. I'm glad I've been able to keep him at bay. He's just a spammer, and should be treated as such. I tried reaching out to him this time, as you may have noticed, and I got nothing in response. So, he's still in "spammer" status, for the time being.

Thanks, cult. But I requested to be a moderator here for two reasons:
I hate spammers and
I love BrainMeta (not necessarily in that order, though)

Got enough rain in Nam yet, by the way?

Please avoid emotions, which deactivate the brain and suppress the logical analysis. Emotion or anger is inversely proportional to knowledge. Let us discuss at length and in-depth with love and patience and with full harmony to each other avoiding the personal criticism. Let us concentrate all our attention on the critical subject only. I will come to your path if you convince me and the vice-versa is left to your will and pleasure. Every point is a common point and belongs to both of us and we are trying to search the truth by sincere discussions so that both of us shall be benefited by the established truth at the end. One of us will correct his point and such correction is not personal correction. It is only correction of our common point. I am not wrong if my point is wrong. Similar is the case with you.

I am not identified with any point, nor yourself. Both of us are analysing a substance because you say that it is chloride and I say that it is bromide. On analysis we shall find the truth and the true knowledge of the substance belongs to both of us. Neither you are chloride nor I am the bromide. If it is proved as chloride I am not disproved. Only my point is disproved. One should not identify himself with any point in knowledge and should not feel himself rejected when his point is rejected. In such a state only the spiritual discussions can proceed to any length of time and to any extent of depth till we find the truth.

If any one identifies with a point, he will never change since he feels that he himself has to change. He is not changing since he is changing a common point and attaining a true point. He changes his bad shirt and is wearing a good shirt. He is not any shirt. If this concept is realised the discussion can become meaningful. Otherwise the debate is a waste.

Hey Hey;

Philosophy, which is the spiritual knowledge, travels in one direction in the circle of research. Science, which is the physical knowledge, travels in the opposite direction in the same circle of research. A Philosopher or a Scientist should travel extensively, so that they will meet at the same point in the circle. If they are in the middle of their journey only, they will be opposite to each other and therefore, will fight with each other. The Philosopher says that God is beyond this world and He is inexplicable. The Scientist says that this world itself is God and accepts the inexplicable points in the nature. The Philosopher says that God pervades all over the world. The Scientist accepts the inexplicable nature of the world, though some concepts of the world are explicable. When God is inexplicable, the very characteristic nature of the God is only inexplicability. Philosopher calls the explicability as the creation and the inexplicability as God.

The explicable part is agreed by both philosopher and scientist. The inexplicable part of the world is also accepted by both. This inexplicability is called as God by the Philosopher and the Scientist calls the same as inexplicability. The Scientist says that there is wire and heat in a hot wire. The Philosopher says that the fire and the wire are co-existing. The only difference is in words. The Scientist calls heat and the Philosopher calls the heat as fire. The wire is the explicable part of the world, which is agreed by all. A Scientist calls the other inexplicable part as a property by calling it as heat. The Philosopher calls the same as the possessor of the property i.e., fire. The intensive heat is fire. Thus the possessor of a property and the property are one and the same. The Scientist says the independent existence of the inexplicable power as an independent existence of a field of energy. The Philosopher says that there is a substratum of that field of energy, which is called as God and which, is not perceived so far. The Scientist accepts that they have to go still deeper. The Philosopher infers the existence of the substratum in such a deeper state.

The argument of the Philosopher is that power cannot independently exist and needs a possessor. Suppose the Sun is not seen due to overlapping cloud, it should not be concluded that the light transmitting through the cloud is independently existing power. The Scientist may see the Sun in future after piercing through the cloud. So, where is the difference or quarrel between a matured Philosopher and a matured Scientist? The inference of the Philosopher is based on the perception of a similar concept existing in the explicable part of the world. The Scientist does not believe this because it is not a perception of the direct concept. Both have not seen the Sun. Both accept the perception of light. Both accept that their search and research has not reached the end.

At this stage the Philosopher infers the Sun, whereas the Scientist does not infer the Sun but still accepts that the final truth is still to be achieved after piercing through the cloud of ignorance. At this point the support for the Philosopher is the Human Incarnation, which preaches the existence of such substratum. If the Scientist accepts the alternative genuine path of the miracles, the human incarnation definitely becomes the final authority about the existence of the possessor of such inexplicable power. If the Scientist has patience to reach the bottom most end, he will become a spiritual philosopher. An impatient Scientist existing in some middle place of the path becomes the atheist.

maximus242;

When I said that God is in my human body, who is delivering the spiritual knowledge, my reference is my devotees who strongly believe me in spite of my several objections. My statements vary according to the level of the devotees. Some times I say that I am devotee or a messenger to ordinary people. I say that God is in me to the devotees who have partial faith in me. I say that the God pervaded all over my body and became one with me to strong devotees who have reached the climax of the faith. Jesus also told like this to different levels of devotees. He claimed himself as messenger of God to lower devotees. To the middle level He claimed that He is son of the God. To the top devotees He claimed that He and His father are one and the same. You should not transfer one statement from one level to the other level.

In my case, for your information, I say every one that I am just a devotee of God. But the devotees forced me with their opinions and finally I responded according to their firmness of faith. Even there I tried my level best to distort their faith through several tests. Therefore, you cannot generalise my statements to all the humanity. In fact you cannot generalise the statements of Jesus also to the entire humanity because all the human beings have not believed Jesus. Only some believed and His statements relate to such fraction of devotees only.

As part of the propagation of divine knowledge, surely I am posting articles in forums, But this is not a spam.

The meaning of spam as I understand is flooding the web with junk articles, obscene posters etc, which harm individuals and the society as a whole. My mission is to bring world peace and rejuvenate the polluted spiritual world. With the advancement in technology we can make use of the latest available tools for propagation of divine knowledge. There is nothing wrong in that.

The Main Intention Is To Make Available The Divine Knowledge To One And All, so that all the spiritual aspirants from all parts of the world can benefit from this. Lord Jesus, Lord Krishna, Prophet Mohamed preached Divine Knowledge only, and performed miracles as and when required, but not for show. So propagation of the divine knowledge is the very task of the Lord, when HE comes in Human form and nobody else can do that job.

First off, I'm glad you're a real person, Dattaswami. For a long time I thought you were a spammer program produced by the Coca-Cola Co. and its afiliates. That's a good start. second, I'm glad you are finally responding to your post replys. Please keep in mind two important rules on this forum (any forum, for that matter) which you are infringing upon:
1- A fourum is not a place for spaming; although you have just addressed that issue, the jury is still out there about your posts.
2- Forum = place for exchange of ideas and dialogue. Not a place for posting dogma. Your statements are dogmatic statement. Irefutable in nature by your design. Please address this issue.

Peace!!!

I won't resubmit all of your quote to which I reply as it is tediously long and dogmatic and would try the patience of many forum members.

I think you mix up philosophy (Greek: philo - love, sophia - to be wise) with theology (Greek: theos - God, logia - words or discourse). Science (Latin: scientia - knowledge) is now universally accepted as an evidence based discipline, whereas philosophy can be entirely speculative, although the two can overlap considerably (otherwise I should return my science PhD for renaming). Theology is discourse on religion, spirituality and gods, and the great majority of this is non-evidenced, speculative, emotive, unsubstantiated, inconsistent, contrived, exploitative and possibly hallucinatory, although the moral codes embedded in many religions are possibly appropriate for a civilized society. These latter codes can, of course, be easy disassociated from religion to be utilised quite independently for human altruistic purposes that might confer evolutionary advantage.

Jesus, Krishna and Mohamad spoke from their own experience and they also knew of righteous judgment. Jesus did not speak to those who would not understand nor listen, Krishna did not waste his breath repeating what others have said, and Mohamed wasn't exactly a walking sound byte either.

I myself feel compelled at times to address certain situations but not all of them. Could it be that you feel compelled to act like those who you revere as the body of God incarnate without actually experiencing the Union of God? Could it be that you want to identify with God and Gods law being what you have heard from your Guru without first discovering God within yourself?

Joesus you are my number one person for understanding and explaining religions.

Sigh* sometimes I mix up dattaswami and Onfire, I fought with Onfire, dattaswami just spams. Brainmetans have plenty of tolerance for people, I mean look at how long we tolerated Cyberts relentless spamming (thank whatever holy incarnation) that he is gone. Joesus as I said before, its just the way the material gets presented.

Dattaswami, you could learn a lot from Joesus on how to present your material, ideas, ect. In a way that gets taken seriously on the forum and wont be automatically branded as spam.

How are you sure that the being (if such exists) which as you say stays in your body is the God (if God exists)? I mean that even if He/She talks with you that does not mean that the being which talks with you and claims to be the God is the God in true. You know I guess that if spirits exists, then they can lie as well as people do. Have not you ever thought about that? So your suppositions can be pure misleading.

Btw, I strongly recommend you to read a funny Saint Grail satiric topic which I have posted here.

Well said Enki!

Thank you.

When pure very simple logic is get applied to “divine” matters the fog disappears and things are seen as clear objects what they are in true.

Definitely the science is the best way to clarify all the subjects. But people should not jump to conclusions so fast. Traditionalism has one positive thing it provides reliable and sustainable development of the civilization.

In the contemporary world the advanced scientific results prior of being spread in society as new knowledge should philosophically be well elaborated.

The “divine” subject is very fragile. Science has no right to forbid people to talk with God. But science has duty to study how man should talk with God/Gods. God/Gods himself/herself (themselves/themselves) if being studied by men, should be studied with great respect and without aggressive methods and barbaric experiments especially those related with electromagnetic waves. If other world of spirits exists, then men of learning should study it with utmost care avoiding any possibility of harming the beings of that world. Harmony is the best key to the Great Peace.

Experiments with poisons, drugs, mushrooms, cheeses, electromagnetic waves, of different frequencies, meditations, sexual experiments with mediations should not be permitted to be freely conducted. Special culture should be developed, a Codex should be chartered in that respect.

Without such experiments how is one to progress? We need to start somewhere.

I agree with this completey, as Terrence Mckenna said, even if you do commune with alien beings, whos to say they are telling you the truth?

One can always learn from one who has made the journey.

How do you trust that one? And I want to scientifically analyse these phenomenon, proving them statistically and not leave them in some vague personal mystical terms.

You're suggesting your Trust level must come from an outside source.
At some point you need to get in touch with your Self. Once one opens themself to this, then the Self becomes manifest. Until then you set conditions of what exists in your mind while you live in a house that is built on a foundation of disbelief.

I would have to say that s/he is suggesting that trust comes from some generally accepted fact based around actual quantitative measurements rather than opinion~ Once again, an economists approach (note that there is no such thing to economists as causality, only correlation)

Prior to starting such research a Moral Codex must be developed, otherwise the ‘nature’ will defend its secrets in very specific way.

And one should 'keep' in secret that he/she has secrets to 'keep'.

Do not trust anyone in that respect, even yourself. Spiritual experiences are the most uncertain I guess. The data cannot be verified. There are no real criteria of truth developed up to now (but it does not mean that such do not exist at all). Direct experimental method does not work, because spiritual experiments do not yield verifiable results. Even if someone talks to you from outer world (if such exists of course) you cannot be sure whether one says truth or is lying.

Well, e.g. I suggested very peaceful way. You can use the Pillows experiments I once suggested on this forum. It is the safest experimental variant. No drugs, no meditation, just sleeping, recording dreams on paper in the morning, systemizing data, analyzing, getting surprised. By conducting that peaceful experiment together with one participant (who prior to sleeping must not know about the pillows colors change during each week [if you have time you can search that topic on forum]) you will come to interesting simple conclusions related with the ‘brain’ functioning. Then by applying simple Physics of Sir Isaac Newton about the light colors and simple knowledge about the electromagnetic waves in the visible diapason you will come to more interesting conclusions. Thus, studding the nature by simple, not expensive, and peaceful ways you can discover more than self assured guys from the well funded ‘secret’ laboratories worldwide who dare to think that if they conduct their research in underground laboratories, where rays of light do not penetrate at all, where some walls are made of dark silicon, nobody can see what a hell they are investigating there.

Proper scientist always should show respect to the object of his studies and should not use aggressive methods while studying the nature. Mankind suffered much because of the numerous Dr. Fausts. The way of Dr. Faust is the wrong way.

Those with pure hearth and curious mind who seek can find the Invisible College. Those who strive to make holes in its walls by canons will face the wrath of the Invisible Army.

There are no secrets, only discoveries not yet found.

You are quite wrong. Some secrets are well protected and will be protected!

Only by those who believe their secrets are personal.

Truth is Universal, anything can be known, but not everyone is interested.

Hahahahahahhah. )))))))))))))))))))



I fully agree with you Joesus.

Curiosity and passion for the truth are the best spirituality for anyone.

Flight is the manifestation of the proverbial carrot, the feather symbol in Egypt was Universal Order and Ultimate Truth. Then the feathered serpent of Quetzacoatl in South America was revered. We then used a feather to convey the Truth as we began to express ideas in symbols and words. Later and we use it in marksmanship with the bow and arrow. Shooting a target is like a zen/tai chi technique, taking account of invisble forces like wind and gravity.

Now visualise the archery target. The target is remarkably like the ancient symbol for God/Ra - a circle with a dot at its centre (http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/26/268.html). We try to ascertain truth by shooting arrows towards God, the closer we get the more in-tune with the action and the closer to the Truth we are - you get more points! The practice of archery is now just the way the world is, but I find it intriguing how similar in meaning to the feather of Egypt and pen of Literature.

Flying in airplanes to suit the nature of commerce and the fight for oil is the source of all the animosity between the Western world and Middle Eastern countries. We've been exerting control over the resources covertly and the backlash was 9/11. Its not a coincidence that Saddam set fire to over 200 oil fields and Osama's terrorists are focussed on air traffic targets. The feathered serpent symbology is still present.

However I do not call this force of curiosity God - I only use it for effect. It is merely the low level patterns within the nature reality repeating, on many abstract levels. Our nature is to find more and more truth to enable us to get rich, materially, spiritually or experiencially. So science isn't the best religion, its only a significant area for passion and truth seeking.

There is a story told by a man who claims to be the grandson of one of the American Indians who were camped out in the desert when the alleged UFO crashed outside of Roswell in 1947.
He tells a story about his grandfathers group saving a survivor of the crash and in gratitude the survivor tells the group about his origins.
To make a long story short the story describes his race and the other races which dominate this part of the Universe and their rise to power both spiritually and scientifically.
The story speaks of the divisions in 4 major races of humanoids having evolved from different species, similar to the theory that humans evolved from primates.
OF the 4 races, one evolved from insects, one from mammals, one from reptiles and the other from birds.
The predominately aggressive races are the ones evolved from reptiles and mammals, the insect humanoids being right behind the others in their need for power and the ones decended from the birds being the species that has remained spiritually dedicated to enlightenment.
The 4 races having evolved technologically eventually found each other in the vastness of space began to exchange technology but when the universe began to shrink as their lust for power increased they began to fight for space.

The story tells of their genetic creation of Humans on this planet from the DNA of the 4 races and the DNA of the existent primate species found on this planet when they came here to mine the planet for materials to support their technology.

The keynote of the story is the idea that the genetic scientist responsible for creating the DNA coctail was instructed to create a subserviant race simply to work the mines. The Scientist feeling a bit more compassionate than the ruling class decided to add the ingrediant of the feather or the bird race, to give humans the ability to be introspective, rather than being like robots.
This ability is the foundation for spirituality according to the 4 races even tho the most aggressive didn't find any use for it.
The more aggressive of the 4 races were simply interested in scientific knowledge to expand their understanding of the Universe which would give them more power and advantage in the control of the Universe, to them spirituality meant weakness as they had no concern for anyone but themselves.


Whether the story was or is true is not what I found interesting but if it was true what I thought about was that any explaination of the creation of life and the Universe has to include the essence of the Universe.

Spiritualists describe the source of the Universes as God. Limitless, unbounded, Formless, coming into form, moving through form, coming out of form, without a beginning or an end.

Scientists might describe the source of the Universes as Energy. Limitless, unbounded, Formless, coming into form, moving through form, coming out of form, without a beginning or an end.

Defining the universe and separating it into definitions never really separates it from itself and so to try and separate science from spirituality is like trying to separate water from an ice cube.

The story is like many of the stories told by the Sages of the Past and the present. In the analogy presented it points to the unbounded consciousness that exists in all things and the reflection of that consciousness in the manifestation of life, particularly human life, or the image of God being unrestricted thought and manifestation, the result or inherent nature of the unmanifest consciousness.

There is definately a correlation with flight and the feather and the sacred symbols. The holy spirit is a white dove for instance. Thanks for that post joesus, its one example i didn't know about and clearly shows that the nature of our driving force is symbolised by flight.

Oh, and Merry Xmas all!

Very interesting and funny story indeed Joesus.

Let me invent details:
Then possibly he tried to help humans to become independent race from the reptiles, insects, birds and mammals and dominate like equals all over the Universe and was punished for that like Prometheus being chained to Caucasian rocks or like Azrail put down in great hole in desert and a great sharp rock covers the hole so that light do not drop its rays upon his face, or just decided (or was forced) to live among men (feel himself like man) and help them to grow up suffering their destiny along with them? So now we understand who are the birds.
There was a great war between different races, they bombed cities created by men in Mesopotamia, some of them created world religions to retard or facilitate human development in "right" directions.
One of the parties built the great Pyramid for special purposes.
And possibly reptiles made a special contract with Vatican, which Robert describes in one of his books, so that mankind progress slowly until someone will return over the clouds with great power and will arrange here a bloodbath - "proper" punishment.
So possibly they telepathically control people not permitting them to progress in accelerated mode.
Moon is an artificial object made in such a way that we do not see its other side, and it intentionally looks the same size as the sun so humans be misled and loose several thousand years in their understanding of what world is. But the Great Scientist with great efforts, crushing horrific resistance helped them to understand what they are. Very funny indeed.
A nice freemasonic tale which could born only in the United States of America.

And possibly the true God himself had interfered in all these processes and punished the mammals, the birds, the reptiles and the insects for cruelty they exposed upon mankind. And that scientist new and knows that God personally very well, and up to now he is much cleverer than those birds, mammals, reptiles and insects (so well described in Men in Black movie).

For me one is clear, man is the sexiest creature, so the scientist described in that tale had a good taste and feeling of proportions and created a cute creature.
You know birds, mammals, insects, reptiles - a zoo. Hahahahahahahah )))))))

I always knew that Archangel Michael has birds' brains. (Mikol I am joking)

Birds- Angels & Demons
Reptiles-Dragons
Mammals- Trolls, goblins, gnomes
Insects – Elves

I feel I should earn money by telling such stories or start to sell lost keys of freemasonry to masons, maybe that will help them to become trully free?

You know I want to buy a dish washing machine.