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Lindsay
GØD, like all words, is nothing more than a symbol. In my personal opinion, it is the symbol which I use to point to all there IS to experience--physically, mentally and spiritually. In otherwords, GØD is my way of referrig to all that IS.

If any of you have another way of saying, or symbolizing, the same thing, I will be very happy to hear from you.

Any suggestions?
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QUOTE(Lindsay @ Dec 16, 2006, 05:40 PM) *

GØD, like all words, is nothing more than a symbol. In my personal opinion, it is the symbol which I use to point to all there IS to experience--physically, mentally and spiritually. In otherwords, GØD is my way of referrig to all that IS.

If any of you have another way of saying, or symbolizing, the same thing, I will be very happy to hear from you.

Any suggestions?

All-that-is. But that would leave out all that could be, could have been, never was and never will be. And what about outside of all that is?
Joesus
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All-that-is. But that would leave out all that could be, could have been, never was and never will be. And what about outside of all that is?
God is spirit (undefinable). Whenever Man attempts to define God, even with the greatest mind and imagination, he does not know God
Hey Hey
QUOTE(Joesus @ Dec 17, 2006, 05:51 PM) *

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All-that-is. But that would leave out all that could be, could have been, never was and never will be. And what about outside of all that is?
God is spirit (undefinable). Whenever Man attempts to define God, even with the greatest mind and imagination, he does not know God
Could god ever be understood and defined?
rhymer
I don't think God can be explained in the sense of describing Him or It or Whatever.

I still believe that what we call god is a mental construct present only in human brains (usually in the Temple area, but possibly others as well).

God is almost essential as a concept to control the behaviour of wayward humans (particularly in the old days), a 'mental bundle' in which to place all the things we cannot or do not understand, and is also symbolic of hope for our potential futures, our fear of death, and the fact that we cannot totally control what is going to happen next.

God allows me to say these words, and I know full well that he equally allows others to say totally different words which would contradict mine.

I have much comfort from my god - it works very well.
God also works very well for everybody else, and I totally accept his different approach for different people.
It is just unfortunate, that in the design of things, there also exists a Devil in our brains. Sometimes God gets to make the decisions and sometimes the devil makes them.

It is up to us all to prioritise gods work and shun the devils work.
Joesus
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Could god ever be understood

In relative terms no. Intuitively through resonance one can connect to God in stillness

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and defined?

No, only through reflections of thought can one entertain themselves with God's presence.

I speak to you.
Be still
Know I am God.

I spoke to you when you were born.
Be still
Know I am God.

I spoke to you at your first sight.
Be still
Know I am God.

I spoke to you at your first word.
Be still
Know I am God.

I spoke to you at your first thought.
Be still
Know I am God.

I spoke to you at your first love.
Be still
Know I am God.

I spoke to you at your first song.
Be still
Know I am God.

I speak to you through the grass of the meadows.
Be still
Know I am God.

I speak to you through the trees of the forests.
Be still
Know I am God.

I speak to you through the valleys and the hills.
Be still
Know I am God.

I speak to you through the Holy Mountains.
Be still
Know I am God.

I speak to you through the rain and snow.
Be still
Know I am God.

I speak to you through the waves of the sea.
Be still
Know I am God.

I speak to you through the dew of the morning.
Be still
Know I am God.

I speak to you through the peace of the evening.
Be still
Know I am God.

I speak to you through the splendour of the sun.
Be still
Know I am God.

I speak to you through the brilliant stars.
Be still
Know I am God.

I speak to you through the storm and the clouds.
Be still
Know I am God.

I speak to you through the thunder and lightening.
Be still
Know I am God.

I speak to you through the mysterious rainbow.
Be still
Know I am God.

I will speak to you when you are alone
Be still
Know I am God.

I will speak to you through the Wisdom of the Ancients.
Be still
Know I am God.

I will speak to you at the end of time.
Be still
Know I am God.

I will speak to you when you have seen my Angels.
Be still
Know I am God.

I will speak to you throughout Eternity.
Be still
Know I am God.

I speak to you.
Be still
Know I am God.


god speaks to man - essene gospel of peace
Lindsay
CB adds to what I think of as the "all-that-IS"--GØD.
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All-that-is. But that would leave out all that could be, could have been, never was and never will be. And what about outside of all that is?
Thanks, CB! I will add it to my thinking smile.gif.

Rhymer adds
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I don't think God can be explained in the sense of describing Him or It, or Whatever. I still believe that what we call god is a mental construct present only in human brains (usually in the Temple area, but possibly others as well).
More good thinking.

THEOLOGY AND MYTHOLOGY
Readers, allow me to ask: What kind of, theology/mythology--that is, what kind of concept of God--fills your needs?

In other words, are you satisified with the Jewish mythology which says that G-d [Elohim--literally, gods.] as a kind of all-pervasive power created all things out of nothing. We are creatures of G-d, not His Children. Suffering and pain is the result of our not following the ten Commandments. Judaism teaches that if we keep the moral laws God will stop punishing us.

THE CHRISTIAN MYTHOLOGY
About 2000 years ago, the early Christians--then a Jewish sect, BTW--to the "myth" added the idea that God is more than a creative power, He is our Heavenly Father, even when we fail to keep all the laws.

To save us and to help us keep the moral laws, he married a Jewish virgin, Mary, who had a Son, Jesus. Following his death and resurrection, Jesus, mysteriously, went back to his father. However, he and God are now with us in what is called His Holy Spirit. Thus it was that, later, Christians spoke of God the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit.

Who is comfortable with this concept? Not me.

THE ISLAMIC MYTHOLOGY
In the sixth Century, Islam, with its emphasis on The LAW, offered a concept of god not unlike original Judaism. BTW, Allah, and Eloh, are from the same root meaning The Power.
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MY MYTHOLOGY--my unitheism/panentheism/epitheism

I need a flexible mythology based on rational science. This is why I invented a new way of naming this mythology. In my opinion, GØD, in not an objective thing, or personal being, in any way shape or form. Here I agree with basic Judaism and Islam.

However, I am flexible enough to accept that, as theists infer, there could a a personal god. But on the basis of blind faith, faiith without some concrete evidence, I am not prepared to believe that there IS a personal god who exists. However, I do believe that all power is personal in persons. In that sense, we are all connected to GØD.

Meanwhile, I agree with the philosopher who said: If you need a father, God is your father; if you need a mother, God is your mother; if you need a child, God is your child."

As for me, I have parents--now in the great somewhere--I have children and grandchildren and many many good friends.

MY NEED
What I need is a rational, dynamic and on-going faith, which challenges me--physically, mentally and spiritually. I name that faith GØD. Until something better comes along, GØD it IS.
Lindsay
BTW, has anyone read Richard Dawkins' new book, THE GOD DELUSION?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins
Hey Hey
QUOTE(Lindsay @ Dec 18, 2006, 06:11 PM) *
However, I am flexible enough to accept that, as theists infer, there could a a personal god. But on the basis of blind faith, faiith without some concrete evidence, I am not prepared to believe that there IS a personal god who exists.
So you ARE an agnostic!
QUOTE(Lindsay @ Dec 18, 2006, 06:19 PM) *
BTW, has anyone read Richard Dawkins' new book, THE GOD DELUSION?
Better version: http://www.audible.co.uk/aduk/store/produc...K_RHUK_000159UK
Lindsay
HHwrites: "So you ARE an agnostic!"

About the God of theism, yes.

But I have great confidence in GØD. We are in instant communion, constantly and moment by moment. GØD is my quantum and holistic computer. Amazing things get done.

Hey Hey
QUOTE(Lindsay @ Dec 18, 2006, 06:57 PM) *
GØD is my quantum ... computer.
QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Dec 17, 2006, 04:44 PM) *

Enki
QUOTE(Lindsay @ Dec 14, 2006, 07:15 AM) *

QUOTE(Enki @ Dec 13, 2006, 09:03 PM) *

I have noted the failure on my computer and the number 11 appearance on the screen while I was trying to post...

I had the same thing happen to me. One day I had a 23 appear. I am happy to know that it was not just my 'puter'. Weird!!!


Really?!!! Very interesting.
Enki
QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Dec 14, 2006, 08:22 AM) *

QUOTE(Enki @ Dec 14, 2006, 05:03 AM) *

I have noted the failure on my computer and the number 11 appearance on the screen while I was trying to post something via quoting a post in this thread.

Now we shall see how the Providence will respond on such tricks.

Number 11 and number 12 also. I am getting quite bored with these bugs. Time for the swatter.


We need permanent solution to our bugs problem. smile.gif
Enki
QUOTE(Lindsay @ Dec 14, 2006, 08:07 AM) *

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'Enki' date='Dec 12, 2006
...My first question is "Why he did not care to put on paper his ideas himself, or did not paid to someone to engrave his ideas on firm stones."
You know proper data recording, if you deliver a message of extreme importance is very important.

...My question is (an) extremely important question directed directly to Jesus himself. You cannot answer on that question instead of him (though who knows??? smile.gif wink.gif ),
... the answer you provided: "He knew he had better things to do than write a book about reality" is absolutely invalid and extremely cynical....We know that somehow he is related with God in a specific spiritual way, the magnitude of that relation is a matter of debate.
Hope one day Jesus himself will clarify that matter online or by CNN. smile.gif
My sentiments, too. I want to talk to the source, the boss, not to a multitude of so-called "witnesses", "vicars", and people who say they have a personal God, a Heavenly Father, who hears and answers all prayers.

Rome declares: "God speaks to all the world through the Holy Father, the Pope"; The numerous "orthodoxies" claim: "No. The Pope is just the bishop of Rome. God speaks to the world through the ancient councils".

Both can't be right.

Perhaps the Mormons are right: God spoke through Joseph Smith.
Protestantism gives us a multitude of choices. Some, like Anglicanism and the UCC, are so liberal they say: God gave us perhaps three commandments: Worship ME, only; Love one another, and one wife at a time. The rest are just suggestions. Do the best you can with them. smile.gif

Of course the Muslims say: God gave his final revelation when, in the seventh century of this era, Mohammed--who, BTW, was illiterate--went into a trance and received the Koran (The Recitation) as the final revelation of Allah (The Great Power) God.

Buddhism? Basically, without any concept of there being a personal god, it is a glorified form of humanism.

Hinduism? There is no such thing as ONE Hinduism. For those with little critical understanding, there is a galaxy of gods. Educated Hindus treat religion as a cultural thing.

PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT I AM SINCERE WHEN WRITE THE FOLLOWING
God, if you are there, and really do hear and answer our prayers; and if you want us to really understand you, there is only one way to clear up this mess.

My suggestion is: You, your mother, Mary, and your son, Jesus, make use of all the media to get YOUR TRUTH across. BTW, if you have a wife and a daughter, or two, please bring them along.

God, if you choose to remain silent, could you at least signal to us and answer the question: WHY? Meanwhile take a look at my signature.


Good points. I guess that soon that matter will be resolved.

I expect that a new very rational philosophy will emerge soon. It will encompass all the religions of the world. I am sure that mankind will make a new great step in understanding God’s true nature.

Stepping along with Globalization it will reconcile all world religions.

Lindsay
Regarding my comments, Enki, you remark: "Good points. I guess that soon that matter will be resolved."

Question: What is "that matter"?

And then you add, "I expect that a new, very rational philosophy, will emerge, soon."

BTW, I use such symbols as, GØD,--by the way, if it appears like this G,D, or G?D, I intend it to be as in my signature--and unitheism, as my way of referring to this all-inclusive and reason-based philosophy. Others are free to use any symbol which makes sense to them.

AGAPE, THE GLUE THAT BINDS ALL TOGETHER
And what is the name of the glue, which, possibly is capable of holding any number of philosophies together?

I call it: agape--that is, good-will, which is totally non-sentimental, or non-emotional, love. Please do not confuse agape, with eros (sensual love), or, philia (friendship).

Keep in mind that eros and philia are okay, in their place. However, they will bring true joy only when they are used under the discipline agape--LOVE, at its moral and ethical best. Without agape, eros and philia will be the root cause of much suffering, pain and tragedy.
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Enki
QUOTE(Lindsay @ Dec 18, 2006, 01:37 PM) *
And what is the name of the glue, which, possibly is capable of holding any number of philosophies together?


The answer on your question is: the glue will be the objective reality. People will start to note things which are self evident and which they could not note before. It is like insects living in two dimensional world will realize that they can see the world by climbing on a tree: they will see the tree. Existence of the tree will become self evident. Non of the philosophers can reject that.

Your next question will probably be the following: what will trigger that process of noting the existence of the tree?

The answer is: something will change in water, air, light and who knows, maybe by some other very interesting way, e.g. as a result of some specific signals triggered in human brain's network in planetary scale. All people dink water, all people breath air, all people are exposed to light rays, no one can hide from waves even in rooms with walls made of dark silicon in underground and underwater places.

Besides proper linguistic representation of evident things will create new categories of thinking among many people and the new philosophy will be so self evident that nobody will object.

Other fantastic possibility:
Recently, accidentally, I have been reading writings of one of the twelve son’s of Patriarch Jacob, he writes basically the following [please note that his quoted writing well fits as to Judaism as well as to Christianity, and certainly fits to Islam and Buddhism as well]:

Translation on English is mine ''3. till the One Who is Above All will personally visit earth [will come like a man], eating and drinking with people and in silence crushing the head of the dragon in water, - this one will save the Israel and All the Nations by transforming into a man.''

From point of view of Judaism YHVH (sometimes written and spelled ['YHVA]) will come on earth himself.
According to Christianity the Daddy will come Himself. Who can philosophically quarrel with the God? Even Pope cannot do that!
According to Egyptian Tradition Osiris will come personally instead of his son Horus.
According to Islam Allah will come himself. Allah is above writings of the Mohammed so all clerics will shut up.
According to Freemasonry the Greatest of the Great Unknowns will come on earth himself, so possibly they must prepare to fulfill their obligations and construct something useful.
Etc.
The same in other religions.
That will solve all the problems.

I guess it is a nice solution of all philosophical problems.

Please note one very important concept Crushing in Silence. Very interesting idea I should say.

Personally I think that dragons are nice creatures and a good magician can pacify them in water.
Some sort of Water Crush. smile.gif)))))))))))))))))))

Nice is not it? laugh.gif

Special note for the Dragon: do not worry, we will find a peaceful solution to that old quarrel. I think negotiations are ahead. A wise solution always can be found. In the true chess party the number of solutions are innumerable like S-Attractors.

smile.gif
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