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Who changed the Bible and why? Bart Ehrman’s startling answers
October 22nd, 2006 by Erich Vieth

How often do we hear people “explaining” religious beliefs by stating ”The
Bible says so,” as if the Bible fell out of the sky, pre-translated to
English by God Himself? It’s not that simple, according to an impressive
and clearly-written book that should be required reading for anyone who
claims to know “what the Bible says.”

The 2005 bestseller, Misquoting Jesus, was not written by a raving atheist.
Rather, it was written by a fellow who had a born-again experience in high
school, then went on to attend the ultraconservative Moody Bible Institute
in Chicago. Bart Ehrman didn’t stop there, however. He wanted to become an
evangelical voice with credentials that would enable him to teach in secular
settings. It was for this reason that he continued his education at Wheaton
and, eventually, Princeton, picking up the ability to read the New Testament
in its original Greek in the process.

As a result of his disciplined study, Ehrman increasingly questioned the
fundamentalist approach that the “Bible is the inerrant Word of God. It
contains no mistakes.” To the contrary,

We have only error ridden copies, and the vast majority of these are
centuries removed from the originals and different from them, evidently,
in thousands of ways.

If there is no copy of the originals as Bart suggests then what thousands of ways are we talking about?

What I find interesting is the similarities made in certain Eastern scripture which uses the bible as the western version of the age old teachings passed down from Teacher to student in the Tradition of enlightenment.
The idea that enlightened sages have walked the planet who were living examples of these teachings then leads to the idea that there might be some truth in these teachings, unless one presupposes that these individuals are simply different than anyone else, maybe far superior genetically than the rest of humanity.

Maybe they're aliens

But seriously, I've found in my own study of tradition and the use of tools which are affective in expanding awareness that there are too many significant applications in the discipline related to both the eastern and western traditions. Meaning there is more truth in the bible than distortion.

The reason being, the messages underlying the entire scriptural content can't be erased or lost by manipulating a few sentences here and there, due to the ego and the differences in language and the lack in the ability to completely extend the experience of consciousness in so many words.

Making a few bucks off of the continuing skepticism around the bible and religion doesn't ever really change the fact that people still are drawn to spiritual ideals regardless of a few who refuse to give themselves to anything more than they have themselves experienced, or the need to explain everything before it is acceptible to think and feel for fear of stepping outside of the proverbial box, and therefore being the subject of ridicule themselves.

The basis of any true teaching is to point one back to their own heart, rather than ones own box created from fear and paranoia.

If Bart really wanted to be useful he might enhance what is real about the Teaching in the Bible rather than continue the witch-hunt to find what is wrong based on the misunderstanding of enlightenment and his negative experiences with those who themselves do not understand the teaching of the Bible.

It takes more intelligence to find what is right in the Bible.

Often, if we are focusing on what is wrong with our lives we fail to appreciate what is right.

Thoreau--"For every thousand hacking at the branches...there is one striking at the root.

What you focus on grows..

Joesus, what do you choose to focus on, and is what grows an illusion since it implies time and change?

I choose to focus on the absolute.
Within the experience of choice, or the movement of awareness, the experience of what I focus on changes in depth and perspective. The absolute itself does not change but my experience of it and my understanding of it does.
Because the experience of it changes the relative importance of the experience can easily be surrendered back to its source. In continuing the process each experience folds back into itself.
In that sense the experience of the absolute is often considered an illusion but the term illusion is often incomplete because it implies that it didn't happen.
Experience is movement of awareness through layers of perception based on association to patterns of identity and recognition.
What one sees in the world and how one perceives the reality of the world changes within the perception of time and space.
Time and space is a functional creative aspect of consciousness for sensory experience and is not necessarily an illusion but a field of potential created for levels of interaction in relative states of consciousness or conscious awareness.

From the link above:

Maybe I could refer you to the movie Zietgeist, in another board. We should not automatically believe all opinions we hear but they are worth a few minutes of consideration.

I don't think it's the teachings of religions that some of us recent so much; but the use of religion as a tool to manipulate the masses. Spirituality is a necessary part of the human experience, or we wouldn't have it. Religion is one of the ways in which we've managed to focus our attention to spirituality(at least in the past, when we didn't know any better). But religion is not a good example of the end justifying the means; unfortunatelly. And religious leaders throughout history have never been cognizant of this.

And newscasters don't review the material and seek its authenticity before spewing it out over the air waves.
Why not take our anger out on the media since it has a more profound affect on humanity than religion?

Honestly it is the individual who is responsible for finding facts and Truth. Religions of any kind do not become their own entity they are supported by those who want to let themselves believe what they hear. This would make the follower the battery for the machine and they do not supply the machine because they are forced to believe but because they want to believe.

Truth has been available since time began but why do people seek to support the illusion rather than the truth? It's not because the illusion is more powerful but because people choose to make the illusion more powerful.

You can't hypnotize someone against their will. Anytime someone becomes drawn to something or hypnotized it is because the hypnotist found it in the subject and fertilized it.

In one sense a child will stumble and fall until it finally begins to stabilize itself in the art of walking. The past is something that happened and tho things may resemble the past it is really useless to whine about something that doesn't have power over you unless you give it power over you and you like to whine.

I don't agree with that. Unlike religion, mass media and its effects on the masses (pardon the redundance) are technology byproducts on one hand. Religious believes and interpretations of religious doctrines are well documented to have caused quite a bit of misunderstanding and deadly comfrontation amongst humans throughout history, on the other hand.

I get the feeling that you are defending religion with your statement above as a positive effector on humanity throughout history; am I right? If true, then I think you are wrong. The fact that we have a choice in matters concerning religion is a freedom that neither all of us enjoy, nor we always have. In fact, the opposite is true, especially on the latter.

So...picking the lesser of the two evils you would believe we don't have a choice to know the truth because the truth is not available and what we are told forces us to be a victim to reality.

I don't understand what your question (whatever it is) has to do with the subject at hand. But I believe that freedom to choose what to believe in is a staple of the modern society we live in. We are lucky in that regard compared to past and even present generations (North Korea for example). We are free from the shackles of an elite imposed dogmatic (false) reality.

Free? IF freedom means being able to have your cake and eat it too how do you know its the best cake?

If Theology deals with Authority and people accept the idea of authority they are going to see it at different levels if they are going to doubt themselves and their own ability to know what is best for themselves and the common good.

There is a large amount of energy expended on the past issues regarding religion as being destructive to human freedom, both psychologically and physically. In the past when the church was the authority because everyone had the fear of God in them today we have the Government think tanks replacing God, and Freedoms are controlled by laws initiated by a majority that is easily influenced by information pumped into the masses via the media.
Because humanity is no longer isolated in far off regions inaccessible by limited travel conditions like those when the horse was the most advanced means of transportation of the time, the influence of media is more invasive to all cultures.

There is always going to be Truth and then relative truths expounded by those who have seen it a certain way.
A cop can't just go to a crime scene and expect to get the same viewpoint from all the witnesses because an active mind that is excited whirls too many thoughts to really be absolutely clear about what they have experienced.

The Bible has been translated by humans who have a basic understanding of languages and if they do not understand the intentions of the original language and the understandings of the culture at the time they may not be accurate in relating the information.
It has been said that King James had a few ideas about how to manipulate the masses to keep power at the level of the throne rather than to relay the message of personal empowerment that was at the root of the Bible and the Teachings of Jesus and his disciples.
There have always been those who know the Truth but then there have been those with power and influence to steer a fearful public via twisted information to have them focus more on their fear rather than their empowerment.

Today there is no real separation from the past in that instead of the church of the past controlling the people we have a system using the media. The power behind the manipulation of the church is the same power behind the media of Today and that power is fear.
Focus on the fear, fill the media with stories of death and terrorism and who will you run to or where will you run to seek solace and sanctuary.

Arguing the bibles authenticity is a distraction as is todays belief in terrorism.

People know there is a reality in the idea of co-operation, love and trust but when someone throws fear at you more often than you have time to focus on anything else then you are going to be hypnotized by what you believe is real and then bring it to the forefront of your reality.
What you focus on grows.

Religion is not a bad thing nor is a TV or a Radio but anything can be used inappropriately for selfish reasons, and if you yourself decide to believe everything around you rather than see through the smokescreen then you will focus on whatever you believe is your real enemy.

In the case of religion and terrorism fear and ignorance is the enemy. There are many who abide by the info spread about in the world about Terrorism yet no one would rather get to know the people and their issues. People would rather accept what the Tube tells you even when there is evidence to the contrary.

Some people say there is no truth in the Bible but if you don't know where it came from originally and what the person it was written about really had to say then one could only make assumptions about it because of the many beliefs it has created in humanity about their own relationship with each other and the world.
Are people inherently bad because history is full of war and greed?

There are ideas and some ideas are more in tune with the union of humanity and the world and other ideas are based on fear, lack and the threat of not getting what's yours.
Are ideas bad or are people just stupid for not being able to discern the truth about what takes you away from love and compassion and towards fear and greed.
What causes us to perpetuate the idea that some are better than others and we could, would and should in the spirit of competition strive to move past our friends and neighbors to get what we can even if it means leaving them without?
Don't we teach this in our schools today? Competition is healthy right? Is then the school system evil or is it that we ignore certain basic realities that we are responsible for the welfare of our neighbors and our planet?

Anyone can blame the other person and their beliefs but that don't make you righteous. It only makes you part of the problem, and it doesn't necessarily make you free if you are still freely roaming a cage and have never known the outside of the cage.

Joesus, you have the most inflated ego I've ever come across! Congratulations. And by freedom, I meant freedom of thought.

Is thought free if you believe yourself to be a victim?

You know it is quite unclear what you are arguing about.
Really.

The Bible case can be explained by deferent ways.
First please define the criteria of truth.
If the criteria is not defined it is not possible to discuss the Bible related topic.

I think the best way is to rely on pure scientific argumentation but at the same time not to discard undeniable fact that there are things which science failed to investigate yet.

So we are in constant quest.

I have only one question related with the Bible: if it is God’s diary-blog for public viewing, then why He stopped to write it about 1800-1900 years ago and locked it?
He does not want to continue to write His diary?

One thing is clear: there is something we still do not know. But this fact must not serve as a background of total denial of everything related with the religion.

The story is ongoing. People misinterpret timelessness by insisting it be defined and by holding the present in the past.

The story very proactively goes on.

People do not accept quite many things related with Bibile because things are not well explained. Here is the main problem.

And the other question is why things are not well explained?!

Those who know many details do not speak because those who know the most precious details are scattered around the world and they rarely meet to talk about cabbages and kings. But one day they all will meet and things will change.

I think someone should organize conference on the subject.

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;


I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.

He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.......

And so on..

...And you are also the hollowest phony I've ever come across. You're so full of caca that you don't even realize it. Your posts have gone from distracting nusance to offensive blabbery over time; and they take away seriousness and legitimacy from the subjects being discussed in this forum. When will you stop posting so much bullshit on this forum?

The silence was kept for too long period of time.
I think some archeological discoveries will illuminate quite many dark spots in the history.

Please do not call bullshit things you do not understand what they are.

E.g. I quite well understand the subject he speaks about.
The Ineffable things are not easy to express on proper language.

That is why it looks like bullshit.
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I think Joesus, things related with the Bible must be made clear.
There must be clear answers to the questions I asked above.

It is not that I don't understand but more that I don't care to understand. I stand firm on this: Most of his posts are what I said they are on my previous post. Some of his post are not. That's why I asked the question as to when he will stop posting the bulshit part of his posts.

Bullshit Haiku

Some bulls shit in fields
Some bulls shit on BrainMeta
Wherever - still shit

©2007 Hey Hey

The silence has always been kept until the mind is ready to unwrap its beliefs surrounding it.

OK. So let him provide explanations for you.

Very nice indeed.

Quite interesting point Joesus.

To unwrap the invisible hypnotic spiders whirled around the head or left leg...

But this answer is unsatisfactory.

Questions must be answered, free people dislike shadow!

If one is truly free there are no obstacles and all answers can be easily found to the questions one might have. You just need to ask the right questions.

And your time fot this has come and gone long ago in this forum. Only you're so blind (by choice) you never saw your time to shut up coming or going. Your posts are usually evasive questions to answer fundamental questions; or answers that always lead to dogmatic, unscientific statements. That was allright, a year ago maybe, when I started reading your posts. But to keep hijacking this forum with your hollow, misleading rethoric time after time after time after time becomes very offensive to those of us who have followed the sequence of your posts over time. It's become an abnoxious, vicious cycle. You are a clown and belong in a circus, not here. In the end, you are only fooling yourself, and the few trollers that come across your bullshit by accident. How much more pathetic can you get?! Everything you had to say you said it a long time ago. Stop repeating yourself over and over! Reconsider the concept of a time to keep silence and apply it on yourself. Do yourself a favor and stop being the bufoon in this forum. It's getting as old as the 2000 year myth that you so much adhere to. You don't have anything to say here in this forum that has any barance on anything discussed here. Your time to keep silence has come. Use the little dignity and self-respect you may still have left in you (I hope) and leave this forum alone.

You do have your own opinion and this would be relative to your perception of reality.
I really don't see how anyone can hijack a forum or how anyone can be so easily disturbed by someones postings unless they are themselves disturbed.

I do have a few questions tho your not obliged to answer.

Do you think I should be as affected by your rant as you are about my presence?
Would you like me to feel as bad about myself as you do about me?
Do you find yourself in this position with other people and would you like to change the world by having them believe in the world the way you see it or just put them someplace where you wouldn't have to be aware of them?

Tho this line of questioning may not be scientific to some it does approach the basic freedoms that are applied to religion, or the personal beliefs of the individual and how they may live their lives with freedom of expression and thought.

I find that everyone would like to believe in freedom of speech and thought as long as it doesn't invade theirs.
The border between personal thought and invasiveness sometimes become thin when a whisper can so easily throw someones own commitment to reality out of whack.

If you would like to make this scientific in relationship to the psychosis of paranoia I would say you could make a list of all those who would say things that rubbed you the wrong way, did things that rubbed you the wrong way and to what degree you felt violated. Then if you could create the perfect world what barriers you would construct to relieve yourself of these invasive conditions or what you could do for yourself to alleviate the reactionary behavior associated with the ease in which you become irritated.

I doubt if you or I could be isolated as being the authoritative model for human behavior but there are some cases where the ego becomes extreme in fighting for its own beliefs in reality and you seem a bit riled and most recently motivated to protect yours. In fact I could say that with your most recent rants that they could be compared energetically to those of a religious conviction.
But you might not see it that way.
Sometimes its good to find inner peace and silence so that you don't have to fight with your world to make it silent.
I think it would be obvious that you can't approach intelligent thinking or effectively create in your world if you're preoccupied with emotional baggage.
This is the essence of religion, the relationship of the personal with the greater personality within, the ideal you and the you that you think you are as you are evolving.
The idea has always been to remove the bugs inside rather than take the approach they did in the crusades and Spanish Inquisition even if the fanatics of that time couldn't see that.

Some just have a more difficult time in their evolution than others.

Anyone want popcorn?

Cycles like these are inevitable on most of the forums or mailing lists I am subscribed
to. I support it, because it lets members focus on the crux of the matter of whatever
issues they have.

One would necessarily have to be committed to understanding their relationship with the world and their own evolution by placing all responsibility of emotional attachment to their own perceptions.

If the world and that which is in it is to be used as that tool one would have to use the tool objectively and not everyone is able to remove themselves emotionally from the tool.

bashing the tool

Well Joesus I will ask you a right question.

If you really a free man, then help me please, tell me WHO AM I?

If you do not have answer to that question, then will you do me a great favor, ask YOUR GOD that question and please tell me about his answer.

Can you?

It is not a joke.

I think the person with such nickname as yours claiming to be free should be able to find out the answer.

I will answer any of your questions in return. Openly.

You are whoever you want to be.
What would limit you from being anything other?

Not necessarily

Not necessarily

This is the only forum I regularly visit. So, no.

I would just like for you to stop hijacking this forum with your dogmatic blabery. Too many smoke and mirrors and not enough content. Except probably for me, most of the members in this forum are highly educated intelectuals who are not getting fooled by you one bit. They just don't tell you for who knows what reason. Just as well, when they've told you something you've just ignored them and go on posting the same rubish over and over. As I expect you to do again after today. That is, with all due respect, a sign of intelectual ignorance; and a total lack of etiquette.

Correct.



Nothing will limit.

So who am I after all, Joesus?

You should answer this question as a free man.

Who do you want to be?
And why would you look outside of yourself to be defined?

I would have to be pretty powerful to be able to take this forum and all interests away from the people that make it a forum and to manipulate it to my own interests.
As for the smoke and mirrors..you just need to get over what distracts you from recognizing reality.


Not understanding often makes one angry and reactive.


You might be making an assumption.


I never ignored anyone. I always give everyone the same respect. Because I don't necessarily bend to their ideas and beliefs does not mean I ignore them.
Because I don't choose to see others in the same light as you do I don't choose to limit them them or their expressions.
I don't take your expressions personally either.


With all due respect freedom of expression is only limited by ones own sense of imbalance and one can free themselves of their stress and irritations by removing stress from the nervous system, rather than keeping it inside and continuing to point to the symptoms as the cause.

I do not want to be anybody; I am just what I am.
So you see you do not understand the nature of my question.
Though your previous allegoric answer was partially correct.
That shows that you are not free Joesus.



This very question shows that you are not free as you claim Joesus.

None on Brain Meta dared to comment my notes related with the name of God in the forum above (Andropov-Gorbachev, Eva Brown - Hitler related). It excellently demonstrates that the freedom is absent. It is something the people, who dare to be free (or dare to call themself free), should think about!

I would never speak about things like that, but some guys liking remote meditations and remote control, dropped last drops into the cup of my patience.

So the Bible must be explained.

The questions I asked above about the Bible must be answered.

Otherwise, clever people will have no choice but to publish a book of explanations.

I am sure many people will fund such project. Many interesting people from different parts of the world can come together and write interesting explanations.

Language, or to be more precise 'the use of words to create constructs' is the greatest cause of conflict and confusion.
We each have, and use, different vocubaularies, have different interpretations of the meaning of words, write ambiguous statements etec. etc.
Some are deluded.
Some words have so many agreed (at least if you read dictionaries) different meanings that they are hardly worth using.

As one example I use the word 'reality'.
It is defined as 'that which really exists' and 'that which any individual believes exists'.
In that situation it is worthless to discuss reality sensibly.

I use the first definition myself and the words 'my perception of reality' for the second in the example above.

It is also worth realising that the people who invented any of the Gods or other superstititions (for whatever social or financial or power reason) were clever in the sense that they realised that it is perfectly feasible to create a concept which those people liable to choose untruths from truths would be very likely to accept simply because they fulfilled a personal need in such people.
Whether such activity is useful or a hindrance to an individuals life is debatable and not necessarily easy to determine for the simple reason that it is not possible for any one individual to take both paths and then compare the outcomes. (It may vary from one individual to another and because also because of the order in which the paths are taken).
We each need to utilise our own experience and understanding of 'that which seems to exist' to enable us to determine for ourselves (rightly or wrongly) who makes deluded statements and who makes more probable statements, without casting aspersions (we should always assume good intent unless obfuscation becomes obvious)!
These are my own opinions, so judge me if you wish.

There is always a "real-world" and therefore useful approach in the way you contribute, rhymer. It's good to have a sensible foundation from which one can explore the enigmatic elements of the universe. It's also what makes the world work in the meantime.

It just shows I didn't buy into your expectations and illusions that freedom has a face.


When man begins to assemble in his consciousness the activities of any principle, he begins to say, "I am that." This is the centralizing of the authority of principle within himself. "I am" renders the mind dynamic instead of letting it rest in potentiality. It becomes dynamic the moment we focus thought upon "I AM." That focal point is the center always and from it emanates the authoritative commands that control and determine the entire status of manifest man. The "I Am" must be used to indicate the man's true estate, that which he is in fact, and not what he has seemed to himself to be in manifest form. "I am THAT I am," which is the embodiment of the motivating authority of the Universe. Beside THAT "I AM" there is no true existence but only delusion.

This name "I AM" was God to Moses. It has come down through the ages as "I AM." To the Hindu it is AUM which means the same,... as does "Tau."

No one responded in conscious agreement to your illusions of naming God through the fragmented identities of Andropov-Gorbachev, Eva Brown. You think this means something. So have your meanings and your illusions of freedom that are tied to these meanings. They will eventually change into something else in time.


You might not? But who did if it is not something/someone you are connected to?
It could be your patience could be expanded beyond its current limits to free you from such irritations and to be more cognizant of the perfection that exists within the universe at all times.
In other words if your cup is full then God cannot put anymore into it and often people become reactive to giving up anything that they are storing in their cup.

Someone who is not free might not have an idea of true freedom.

No, Truth never changes, only the experience of it. There is no such thing as MY Truth.

Do not tell me stories Joesus.
It is a big question who really lives in illusions.

Look that Letters transposition (though in case of Adropov-Gor'bachev [Y(G)VA ~ Yuri Vladimirovich Andropov (YVA)+Michael Gor'bachev ] and Hitler-Eva Brown [E(H)VA ~ E(Hitler)VA Brown - Alchemical marriage to transfer power of God to the Wizard] it is not quite a transposition) well fits to the Words Matrix (Words Array) concept I tired to introduce on this forum (in frames of Remotely Controlled Terrorism), just replace words by letters, a letter is a word with one letter.
The rest is done by the tuning process (fork gathering spaghetti). The transposition is valid in case of the example which I brought (in the forum above) related with English Language: verb "to have" [EHVA]. These all is directly correlated with whispering of the God's names to the ear of Parsifal and Grail generation (via Brain Tuning by the Keys generated in the brain by whispering in a special way), Knights locking in the cycle around Grail and God's power transfer to the Knight of the so called "round table" via some specific ritual (not necessarily sexual).

Actually it is simple Cybernetic(al) Physics. Let us call it Enki's Physics.

Certainly you can call that illusion. It looks like a fairy tale, no doubt about. But we have a fact that the Bible was locked 1800 years ago and you still did not answer on my question why God stopped to write his Diary-blog for mass viewing? That MUST be explained Joesus don't you think so?

Keeping silence is not an option by now.

I just do not want to bring other VERY interesting examples. Because in such a way we will come to the Cardinals' name renaming when they become Pope of Rome.

Or will come even to name giving during baptizing ... OK?

There is only One consciousness.
If you live in an illusion, you will point to the others because they reflect your own self. The healing is not in treating the symptoms but the cause.


Anyone can be deluded by their interpretations of things even become fanatical in finding a solution to their mystery.
The sons of man seek to know.... The conscious mind Knows.


Humanity in its ignorance is a manifestation of the projections mind has about human condition and conditioning. For example, a child is not an adult and no one thinks a child should be an adult before it has evolved through a process of growth.
The consciousness that exists within the child and the adult is the same consciousness before the awareness of the manifest reality and after the manifest is put away. The body may appear to be born and die but the consciousness within is immortal.

The inner workings of Gods creation may appear to change on the outside as one seeks to know themselves by looking outside of that immortal consciousness, rearranging scenery and scenarios but God does not really change. The infinite cannot be more or less infinite.

The Silence that is created in the form of ignorance is man made. Man creates all blocks to the infinite Truth by creating personal relative truths. Truth and knowledge is never buried by God or held back by God because God does not control the will of man, God is the power behind mans will and it is always on and running at peak.

Humanity as it appears is the result of choice, that choice to see the world and God as it appears to choice.

Man judges his own choice and then projects all subjective failure on that which exceeds his own understanding. God the villain, God the benefactor, God the all powerful and that which does not comply with mans desire to stop suffering. God does not do these things unless you seek to find God in the choice of man. God does not think I want man to suffer, this is the thinking of the Ego. God upholds man in his purest form and potential and man reduces that perfection through the ego and so God does supply the energy and the willpower for man to make his own bed.

If in fact it is time for man to awaken then he will by his own desire drop all that he has put in his cup to have it filled with what is and has always been, but ignored due to the ego's obsession with the personal past.


You once said there are secrets to be kept. That idea would be in conflict with your other idea that keeping silence is not an option.

Keeping secret is a measurable option you know. Everything has measure.
We have been speaking about Bible and not about all the secrets of our wonderful world.

Here are some examples absolutely having no relation with what I wrote above (because in this very case the Tuning mechanism should not work in the same way as I suppose). I just bring them to illustrate some keys of the approach.

If you number English letters from 1 to 26, then 9/11 can be written as ‘il’ first two letters of the word illuminati. If in the word illuminati you will replace letter ‘i’ by its number in the English alphabet you will get 9lluminati, the two non-capital letters LL look like number 11.

But certainly all these do not mean that 9/11 was organized by the illuminati.

But now please pay your attention to the following set of letters: “illu�, this is Akkadian root name for God: “Babhel (Gen. ix), from Akkadian bab-ilu "Gate of God" (from bab "gate" + ilu "god"). The name is a translation of Sumerian Ka-dingir.�

So, from cybernetic point of view the root meaning God in Akkadian is present in that word. And from point of view of the Tuning ...

E.g. the word Sword can be decrypted as Satan’s Word, at the same time as Seth’s Word.

But all what is mentioned is absolutely non-scientific till a valid theory on Brain Tuning process via keys will be developed.

But from point of view of Theology, speaking allegorically, such details can seriously question quite many doctrines. Even doctrines of the FREEDOM.

And from the point of view of Tuning approach the below mentioned words gaming look quite funny.

Buddah \,\ Huddah,
Christ \,\ Krishna,
Jesus \,\ Zeus,______________Joesus.
Allah \,\ MagdAllah.

I think it is very funny.

So as you see Joesus, keeping silence strategy failed. I understood that when few days ago I watched Harry Potter and the Order of Phoenix.

It was a joke!

‘What may I do!’ at length I cried,
Tired of the painful task,
The fairy quietly replied and said
‘You must not ask.’

Lewis Carroll

I can tell.

Oh how familiar words. Familiar style, familiar mentors' words. Very familiar. Hallow Gabriel. Have not seen you for ages.

"Humanity in its ignorance ..." What a hell you did for this humanity to speak in this way!

Poor mankind! Such words do not give to real man any real Info. God has face, name and temper.

And one day things will change.

You should believe me.