A. Hey, we split the atom.
B. What did you find?
A. All the answers.
B. So the truth is out there!?*&%$£
A. Yerr, that's how we understand how planes fly and TVs work.
B. Not magic then?
A. Depends on whether you consider God magic or not.
B. How do you determine that?
A. Philosophy.
B. I heard that philosophy was talking through your ass.
A. We should discuss this further tomorrow. Do you have any toilet paper in your cubicle?

Hahahahahahah!!!!

Enki: Is this question based on any, or all, of the following definintions of 'God' as given in Dictionary.com ?

Or do you have your own definition? If so, what is it?

I would be interested in hearing from all who read this post: Give us your definition of 'God'.

I do not understand how the question of yours logically springs from the question of mine.

Under God please consider somebody who inspired several people to write the Bible.

So I do repeat my Grand Question: why God 1800 years ago stopped to write his Diary-blog for mass viewing (aka The Bible) and locked it? He have had nothing to say to the people of Earth during 1800 years following the locking?

I think you underestimate the power of this Grand Question Mr. Lindsay.

Enki writes Enki, I take it from this that you define 'God' as being an unimportant "somebody"--a pronoun which refers to someone without a name.
Keep in mind that some "somebodies" can also be persons of real importance.

TO ATHEISTS, GENERALLY SPEAKING
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Some of you are the kind of atheists who think of God as a person who actually exists, somewhere. However, he exists in an unimportant part of the cosmos, off the beaten track. This makes him a "somebody" of little or no importance and, therefore, easily dismissed.

If so, I am sure that you are not surprised when you run into theists who think of God as a real somebody--The King of kings and Lord of Lords..."And He shall reign forever, and ever..." I rush to add: This is NOT my concept of GOD.

BTW, Enki, I agree with those atheists who say that no such "somebody" God existed, exists, or ever will exist--past, present, or future.

However, because I feel, strongly, that, when it comes to theological concepts, theism versus atheism are not the only options, I am NOT an atheist, nor even an agnostic.

Having pointed this out, I assume that you will understand me when I say: Your question means nothing to me. It is like asking me the child-like question: How big is God and, who made Him?

ABOUT THE BIBLE
IMHO, the Bible is not a book, at all. It was NOT written by any one author--certainly not by GOD, as I understand the concept.

The Bible is simply a collection of documents--some, but not all, with real literary value--from a wide variety of authors (many un-named). These documents were written over a period of 3000 years.

Now, if you would like to dialogue, theologically, at a higher level, count me in. Otherwise, I have nothing more to say in this thread.

You asked me to define something in frames of my Grand Question (see above).

I made a definition which definitely should help to model the matter.

And please do not intentionally lead astray the topic of discussion.

And let the ‘Somebody’ speaks himself/herself, without Free Advocates.

The Grand Question is a very powerful question Mr. Lindsay, especially being asked by such a humble creature like me.

I see. Really Important Persons (R.I.P.).

Poor me, I am - a person of unreal importance, absolutely unprotected here in the Far Away Country from the "Somebodies" of real importance. - (

I do not have expertise in Theology, so I think we have nothing to discuss at such high level.

Not updated collection. The question is why it is NOT UPDATED for last 1800 years?

E.g. Microsoft Corporation updates Windows each 3 years.

Besides it is not considered as a collection of documents by those who value that book: Catholic Church, Russian Orthodox Church, Anglican Church, Protestants, Presbyterians, Armenian Apostolic Church, Greek Church, Coptic Church etc. It is considered as something sacred and God given.

Maybe it wasn't updated because it wasn't meant to be a timeless stand alone document even if the ideas within are timeless.
In some Eastern Traditions of enlightenment information is passed down from Teacher to student by word of mouth strictly adhering to tradition in structure and mastery. When the Teacher makes the Student a Teacher that Teacher then instructs his/her students.
When guidance follows instruction it is most likely that there will be less misunderstanding.
Also since God is not subject to upgrades in that God could actually become obsolete or out of date the same things that were relevant at the time of Jesus' instruction regarding Truth and reality are still in effect today.

I suppose we could replace the eye of the needle with something more local but who cares. There are still plenty of sources for the same information more relevant to todays world in the current teachings if one isn't of mind to overlook the timelessness of God and the presence of God.

So getting to Lindsays question which you didn't understand.

Who is this God that had a diary and wrote anything?

I do wonder what do you want to define by that question, especially when the matters is related with the Bible.

Who is this God that is in your question inferred as tied to one specific document that you want to call HIS diary?
If a God is restricted to one iconic moment in which that God makes available a few words of wisdom then it would leave many dependent on history rather than personally empowered to link to the living presence that exists always.
God is much bigger than a few days in a past, and, the bible is only a paragraph in and amongst the many written words that speak of mans relationship with God/Self.

Censorship only entertains belief, the mind can always transcend belief.

Jn 1:1 In the begInnIng was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1 Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

I like that "Censorship only entertains belief..."

At least one of quotes above are questionable in translation, which I am sure would not
change your belief and more than likely you already knew.

But still, misinterpretation (in some cases) however could be worse than censorship. ;-)

Which is why holding to any belief is like trying to manipulate time by moving the hands on a clock.

You lead the question's discussion astray Joesus. We speak here about the Bible. The Bible is a book no one is able to add any word to. You see DLL files are Read Only. The question is why?

Please, do not mix all with your specific understanding of the God.

Besides your Fellowship of the Ring starts to irritate me very greatly. If you continue to talk with me in a mentor mode, then I will not communicate with you anymore. Do not bahave like Robert did.



Really?! How brave you all are, indeed. You know I think I will dislike somebody trying to write things on me to impart me a joy. I abstain from such strange sexual rituals of any fellowship.

I am speaking of the bible, and your inference that it is God's diary, and that it is a closed diary.
I question your interpretation of God's thoughts, intentions and belief that the bible is a diary.


You mean you want me to answer you from your specific understanding?


I can only behave like I do, so if life comes at you and you disagree with it I guess you can build a wall to keep it out or hide yourself from it but it won't change the fact that its there.

Have you always insisted the world should appear to you in a different way?


Most do abstain or resist from acceptance of what already is, and as such they insist on reinventing the universe. C'est la Vie

You can't really hang onto a belief as much as you might think you can.

It would seem (by your definition of beliefs) you may value your relationship with interpretations of the path of the gods…or path of the sages…holy tradition…enlightenment…Teacher…or Joe...
Why?

Replace the word 'Diary' for yourself (if you do not like it) by words 'Records of God's Activities, Sayings, Messages, Teachings ETC', the Grand Question I asked do not loose its power after such replacement. You will not be able to twist and lead astray.

The Grand Question is an extremely powerful one it can crush any illogical fantasy invented to deceive people. Once being asked in this specific way it will hammer its way in the world of Men. And you will not be able to stop it. People will find the correct answer onto that question. And will better understand the God who has Name, Habits, Temper, Face, keeps Diary and so on.

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So you can stay communicating with yourself here.
And do not wash others brains Joe, free people do not like that.

It looks like Code Buttons was somehow right!

Maybe because people no longer believe that prophecies or miracles can happen today, but for some reason thought it was a good idea 1800 years ago?

For your entertainment,

Is the Bible the word of God?

I know of at least one group numbered in their billions that show otherwise.

You see the " bible is only a paragraph in and amongst the many written words that speak of mans relationship with God/Self"

In a previous post you quoted from the bible but I am still not clear whether you believe (in) what you quoted.

(Its been a long hot day in Vietnam)

The essence of the absolute is linked to "everything"
The bible is full of words but those words enliven the living link between human consciousness (the individual human consciousness) and the consciousness that unites all to one.

The relationship of the cells in the body that support the whole is symbiotic. Regardless of the location or function one supports the other and they communicate with each other via neuropeptides and receiver sites.
The human environment is similar to a cellular environment in that we comprise a much larger universal body and that we sense each other and feel each other.
We know this by the familiarity with each other when in close relationship. If a partner of family member is feeling sad we can tell from the subtle nonverbal communication that takes place when we are close to someone.

This symbiotic relationship is similar at a spiritual level. Regardless of beliefs this relationship exists and stimulates us to create surface images and beliefs to symbolize that which is living inside of us.

The bible is one document (not the document) that is full of information that resonates with this reality. The symbolism within it was manifest because of spirit and it is seen by anyone at the level of their belief and at the level beyond beliefs.

Where one has their foundation of thought or identity makes a difference in how they resonate with it.

Maybe it was a good idea, but for some certain period of time only. Or maybe it was a great mistake, or it was an evil intention aimed to silence the God. Or it was a great stupidity, which later was used (and is used up to now) by the others to silence the God. Or something more complicated or more vicious. Or something good. Or those angels with silver foots and fire eyes were the Transformers (lol) who mastermind long term diabolic plot to make mankind dull by cutting ties with the true God thus fostering future invasion (hoping to get Cube - Kaaba from Mecca). Or something good. But anyway that must be explained clearly.

People do not note simple things happening under their noses including the miracles.

From cybernetic point of view one should metaphorically speaking to make e.g. DLL files Read-Only to protect them from viruses (heresy from the point of view of the mother program). But if the software is not upgraded for 1800 years, then eventually it will loose its competitive advantage on the Theological Market if something new and more captivating and convincing will emerge. Bible alone cannot fight against MTV and porno industry effectively, neither it can satisfy curiosity of new generation of the people. Thus the upper spirits should deliver some new revelation and push mankind to new level of understanding of the reality. Certainly it must be done in a way to lower possible losses during the phase transition to new psychologically stable platform of brain patterns.

The Holy Inquisition and other satellite structures cannot be used as a proper Anti-virus today. Besides, such structures cannot conduct Non-destructive Monitoring of the reality perception of people in the planetary scale.

And if one makes the Bible open for upgrades and updates, then some guarding software should be developed to protect the data from possible pollutions.

Otherwise better change nothing. But when the course of human events makes impossible to hide things and when changes become inevitable and may lead to global destruction then I guess the God will interfere himself.

This is a fundamental true. I agree with you 100% here, Enki

The Oracle, Enki. You forgot to mention the Oracle. The Oracle can bring news and forecast from the great beyond all the way to our present day. It won't hurt talking to her/him/it. It may save us from doomsday.

True, true, ture.

Oh, I forgot, I am sorry.

why cant the bible be authentic-ie god speaking through those who wrote the bible

I suppose it could be. However, one indication that it isn't is the nonsense that it contains. I demand that an authentic god should make sense.

Why blame God for mans translation transgressions?
I think this cleverly allows anyone to find a way beyond the hopeless need to become dependent on the external authority. Jesus always said "I and my Father are one" Meaning man is the image of God. Rather than trying to contain the universe in a few thousand pages anyone may tap into omniscience simply by overcoming the beliefs that there is some kind of barrier between human consciousness and God.

Amen. But I don't think it leads to omniscience. That's a pretty tall order.

Actually, there does appear to be a barrier. Otherwise we wouldn't need to talk about it.

Not really, it only seems a tall order if you put it in terms of containing knowledge rather than being symbiotic with it. The ego sees it as a thing to conquer and own rather than simply moving within it.

There is a biblical reference to it that goes."Seek ye first the kingdom of God and ALL ELSE well be given unto you"
Man being the direct reflection of God, the mind is not necessarily separated other than thru the illusions of beliefs in the barriers that are self created by definition of deity and limitations. If one simply steps aside of a barrier and allows thru intention the relative ideas of the universe then they are always available to the relative. Beyond the relative there are a completely different set of rules.


Rather than call it a need, I would say its a package deal. Once the boundary is put in place all relative association is installed with it, including the original idea that initiated it.