An interesting article from The New Scientist.

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-...n-the-rise.html

Intresting article Rhymer, I suppose this may be able to help any addicted drug users get off their addictions, although im not a fan of drugs, people should definatly have a safe and legal way to achieve those effects. They should do the same thing with nicotin, now there would be something impressive, kill the cigarette industry in one giant sweeping motion.

I smoked salvia once it was a quite strange experience

i did salvia one time it was less than a bowl of extract so not that much. but it was not a pleasant experience. i felt like the different areas of my brain or my self idk, where all competing for my attention at the same time. kind of like i was divided into allot of different people, or aspects trying to gain control. i really dont know where i stand with drugs right now, interesting article though, most "legal highs" i have heard of just end up in a headache.

I tried Salvia for the first time the other night and smoked a large bong cap filled with 5x salvia I didnt feel anything at first then like instant i felt like i was in the middle of a full blown trip i couldnt stop lifting my arms up as i felt myself lifting out of myself and it was all a bit too quick and was quite frightening it was a proper out of body experience and i felt myself float out of myself up and backwards the room turned into bricks of time and were being placed into the room in a spiral it was like i was in the past watching what id already seen again each block changing the picture, it was like i was looking at a matrix picture building infront of me. I think it was one of the strongest drugs i have ever taken and i have done all possible, well so far, i dread to think what the salvia strengths out there can make happen to you if smoked. It was not what i expected and pretty full on even for the well explorered in the drug taking department. I think its great there are new drugs being made all the time that get to be legal and available to try. If you want to explore as many possible conciousnesses and reality you should have that legal right. But just be prepared you may be suprised like i was just thinking because some thing is legal doesnt mean it wont be a strong experience.

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The salvia trip is worthless as far as doing it for fun. The main and perhaps only benefits of salvia are in the antidepressant effects. It's not needed to have a trip, just use a tiny bit, just enough to notice a slight buzz or maybe notice nothing. About an hour later, you begin to feel a lot better about things. You don't feel high, you just start to see the bright side of things. I think it's because of the disasociative effects. You are able to disassociate from the negative feelings you were experiencing.

Another good one is resveratrol. On the right dose, you will feel a lift in your mood. It takes a week or more at the right dose but many people have reported that.

I wonder if a low dose of LSD or other psychedelic drug would also have an antidepressant effect, in view of the disassociative effect. The studies of psycholytic therapy in the '60s don't mention this, but those guys were generally Freudians attemting to break down defenses in their patients.

Stay awake for 5 days. No, but, yes, but, really! It's free, but has some side-effects. But most, if not all, side-effects can be removed by ... you got it!

A number of psychiatrists believe that Total Sleep Deprivation (TSD) or Partial Sleep Deprivation (PSD) can help in treatment of depression (unipolar & bipolar). But the benefits are temporary, as following the inevitable recovery sleep all benefits of TSD or PSD disappear.

Hey hey, you are correct, the old sleep deprivation trick does work. Unfortunately, it's effects are very temporary and the cost, relatively high. Just staying up for one night will do it. There is a saying about looking at things by the cold gray light of dawn. I think that may relate to the same effect. Longer periods will work too. I never noticed any greater benefits from longer periods. It's a little impractical because before you have recovered from the disruption of losing sleep, the depression has started to come back.

Rick, I never noticed any such benefit from lsd. Occasionally people will have breakthrough experiences in which they work through an emotional difficulty while on a trip. That does not happen all the time. LSD is not known as a disassociative, as far as I know.

Alright, I am going to go get some salvia today, but before I do, I would like to hear some anecdotal evidence as to the affects. Anyone care to share some recommendations? Should I go for like a 15 or 20x?

Holy S**T I cannot believe that stuff is legal...

Haha, I guess you had a good old toot. I brought some of the 15x back from Amsterdam but I ended up only trying a little because I shared it with my brother. He kept describing a feeling of being pushed sideways without any force. If I'd known it was that effective, AND its reverse tolerant, I'd have bought a lot more. Nows the time to actually buy the seeds and grow some of your own I think! Did you feel or see anything resembling a Goddess, or merge into your furniture or anything?

You care to give us a trip report Flex?

I have class soon, but I will give you a quick report...

My first time I took a medium-small hit and held it for like 10 seconds, went to the couch and soon after felt a gravitational force between me and the couch. That time I just felt euphoric, and a need to talk way too much.

Later on that night, I had my brother sit for me, and I took a HUGE hit and held it until I was no longer conscious of this world... I was on the couch and it was like my mind was a soul magnet, and created a black hole of sorts. First my awareness of the room was sucked into the singularity, then everything as I knew it. It was at this point that I no longer existed. My last thought was "so this is all that everything was after all" meaning my entire life and the delusions I lived.

At this point I (I hesitate to say I, because it was not my body, or my mind) became trapped in a sidewalk. The left half of my entity was the sidewalk, the right half was a sunny day with a pretty bush. I had no awareness of the room I was in whatsoever. Apparently I got up off of the couch and was wandering around incoherently unable to talk or do anything really (I went "Shaman" as I like to call it). Finally the sunny day half of my entity saw my brothers face, and he started to peel layers off the sidewalk (what I perceived to be my soul, which felt like peeling layers off my face) and I started to see him more clearly. Out of nowhere, he peeled one more layer, and I was in my body sitting on the couch.

I couldn't move at all but I was back in the room paralyzed. Finally the soul magnet in the couch let go and I could stand up. It felt like I had just walked after being fully paralyzed from the neck down for the last 10 years. I was back into my body again, but my trip was not done. When I stood up, the room felt like it was the amazon, and the couch (which is actually a car seat out of our van) seemed to me to be a seat out of the ruins of an airplane crash. I took a deep breath of relative reality and sat down again. In another few seconds, the reality I once knew gradually faded into existence.

My consciousness black hole stage felt like it was about 5 min
my entity being a sidewalk on a sunny day (note I tripped at night) felt about 30min
in earth time the trip was a mere 1 min

Holy F**K. I am getting saliva today.

My experiences with salvia were strange. The first time I tried it I laughed uncontrollably and was sweating profusely. I felt like gravity was pushing down on me. The images I saw seemed very real, it was not a fun trip at all.

Yeah its strong stuff. When you actually chase the experience of real hallucination and then get it, isn't that a good trip?

Mine was definitely a good trip. During the trip, I was pretty freaked out, but once it was done I gained a whole new perspective on reality.

I think for me, salvia was a bad trip it felt SO real. When I had my trip with mushrooms I was hallucinating but at the same time, I knew that it was only a high. Salvia made me forget that it was only a drug.

That is the point--that is what makes it a good trip It isn't a good trip if you are aware you are tripping~

Remember its reverse tolerant, which means the more you smoke it, the better effect you get. This is the reverse of something like LSD which has diminishing returns.

I sense a banning!

Fs when will people stop being so scared of these things. The only thing it shows you is the content of your own mind. I am totally for the intelligent use of these drugs.

Many medical studies are currently going on at the moment with great success showing that these and other drugs can be magic bullet anti depressants.

Gah, leave sally alone, she never hurt anyone! Ms Ethanol is far more deadly in reality, sally in comparison doesnt cost the NHS billions in taxpayers moneys...