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Joesus
As Yoda once said. "There is no try...Only do."

Postive intentions are always relative to states of awareness.

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I am totally unaware of being judgemental and letting my negative "judgement project".

That is normal. People are not able to teach themselves. From a place of experience, one can only rearrange ideas of belief. One must open themselves to that which is greater than their current experience, otherwise they make statements to truths that are relevant to the poition of relative memory and limits created by self identity. Being open some of the time is not an option to constant expansion.
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What did I write which gives anyone this negative impression?

The impression is not a negative impression but the obvious is only missed by your identification with what you call loving and good and how you separate yourself from all other.
It shows in all of your posts.

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My desire is to always project that I am open to accept all kinds of moral and loving diversity.

I think you have been stating this quite clearly. If you could only let go of your division in God and evil and come to accept it all.
Morality comes naturally when one rises above judgment and attachment. All other moral standards are created artificially from the relative beliefs and judgments of righteousness, the idea of what is God and where is God.
God is in everything. Everything is of God.
So what are you willing to accept.
By the way acceptance and like are two very different things.
Lindsay
QUOTE(Joesus @ Sep 05, 11:01 AM) *
... People are not able to teach themselves.
Are you stating this as some kind of an absolute? That we can only teach one another? Then you add
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From a place of experience, one can only rearrange ideas of belief.
If this is so, what ideas are you currently rearranging? smile.gif

Meanwhile, it appears that you are trying to teach me something
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If you could only let go of your division in God and evil and come to accept it all.
I assure you that decades ago, on my own, I accepted the idea that evil is simply "good in the making". I am not a dualist. To make this clear I called myself a unitheist. You say that
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God is in everything. Everything is of God.
I quite agree.
Joesus
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Are you stating this as some kind of an absolute? That we can only teach one another?

You can open yourself to more by letting go of what you know. If you make yourself available to experience that is greater than your own you will draw towards you those that have experience that you have not yet had. In this way you will allow yourself to accept more than you have experienced.
When the student is ready the teacher will appear.
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If this is so, what ideas are you currently rearranging?

I focus on the absolute not on rearranging relative ideas.
Learning has become a process of adding to, much different than that of expanding conscious awareness where what is perceived as manifest reality is continually witnessed and expanded into omniscience rather than relative knowledge. Where illusion is replaced by the permanence of the unbounded Self.
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Meanwhile, it appears that you are trying to teach me something.

As I said: when the student is ready the teacher will appear.
I think you will judge everything and measure its worth against what you have already decided is real before accepting anything I would have to offer.
No one can try to teach anyone anything. The manifest is a reflection of God. You've already seen me as something you must decide is worthy of acceptance. You may intellectually accept God in all things but I'll bet you will decide to give your attention to those things that you believe have more God in them than those things that have less God in them.

If you learn something out of all this are you going to give me the credit?

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I assure you that decades ago, on my own, I accepted the idea that evil is simply "good in the making". I am not a dualist. To make this clear I called myself a unitheist.

There is no such thing as evil. You've acepted a fantasy through your choice to make it real.
You've labeled evil as an idea where God isn't complete/present/mature etc.
You can call/label yourself any way you want, that is what the ego does, label itself, and everything else. That is the nature of duality as created by a dualist.
rhymer
quote "I focus on the absolute not on rearranging relative ideas".

Can you please define your meaning of the word absolute?
Joesus
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Can you please define your meaning of the word absolute?

That would be impossible, there is no defining that which cannot be defined.
rhymer
So, you don't know on what you are focussing?
Joesus
Can a person focus their awareness on God when God is all around them, and beyond human sense perception?
Joesus
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what is beyond the human senses?
Certain levels of conscious awareness cannot be contained within the human experience tho the human experience is linked to Consciousness and is not separate from any part of consciousness. That wihich is known to the soul before entering the body is often forgotten as the senses are turned towards the external manifestations of belief and programming.
Awareness that transcends the human experience is that awareness that is reached when the soul ascends the human body. Tho an ascended master can remanifest the body after ascension there is no motivating factor to leave the unbounded to bind oneself to the flesh and the human experience after ascending it unless to serve in the capacity of further expansion of awareness.
This is the natural flow of evolution to expand experience and awareness which is why we evolve and make the choice to evolve.
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how can any belief/concept of God be thought/known/realized....if not first sensed to be a potentiality?

As I said there is nothing about consciousness that is not connected to the manifest tho the potential of the manifest cannot be contained the intimate reality of consciousness to the manifest is always present. One need only turn their attention towards it to experience a taste of that connection.
In regards to your question I was addressing the senses that are turned outward rather than inward. If you turn away from something and ignore it long enough it dissapears from the senses awareness.

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do you not focus your attention upon what you believe stillness to be...and in so doing...manifest this belief into your awareness?
Do I? or are you speaking in general terms?
At first I looked for what I thought I might find but it didn't fit within the terms of my conditions or expectations. When discovered it was beyond anything I could hope to contain it with. You look for an end and there is no end, you look for a consistency and there is no consistency other than its continuance of presence.
I have found that there are those who thru belief imagine the absolute and study the works of those who discribe it but do not anchor it into the awareness by meditating on it. They put it in their pocket with other objects of belief and those people do not resonate with the absolute as do those who put their awareness on it continually and bring it outward into the manifest.

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what can be made conscious without sensiing and thought?
anything can seemingly be made into anything through intense thought. Consciousness exists regardless of sensory perception or thought.
Lindsay
QUOTE(rhymer @ Sep 05, 02:52 PM) *
Can you please define your meaning of the word absolute?
Rhymer and Dinah, with his
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I, JOESUS, focus on the absolute not on rearranging relative ideas.
do you have the feeling that Joesus is playing the I-KNOW-MORE-THAN-YOU-DO kind of game with all of us?

OK, Joesus, I write as a student who had been ready for decades, so do your stuff!!!
Joesus
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do you have the feeling that Joesus is playing the I-KNOW-MORE-THAN-YOU-DO kind of game with all of us.

"Follow your feelings Luke..They will lead you to the power of the dark side of the Force," -Darth Vader-
Lindsay
QUOTE(Joesus @ Sep 05, 10:10 PM) *

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do you have the feeling that Joesus is playing the I-KNOW-MORE-THAN-YOU-DO kind of game with all of us?
Pardon me, I forgot to put in the ? laugh.gif

"Follow your feelings Luke..They will lead you to the power of the dark side of the Force," -Darth Vader-
Is that St.Luke? smile.gif
rhymer
Now that the 'godspot' theory (a particular area of brain activity responsible for religiose thoughts) has been debunked and replaced by a much more sensible and logical explanation, I feel great!
Joesus
So before someone told you something you couldn't grasp you felt lousy and now that someone has told you something different you feel great?

Are your feelings so easily swayed by what others do and what you are told?
If so, that would kinda make you like a puppet on the strings of circumstance.


Lindsay...., being ready for decades, does that mean that you are still waiting for someone to come along that might teach you something you do not already know.
I get the impression that you don't want to be shown anything new that might threaten your position of identity with God. If someone were to actually come along and show you where you might be compromising it would mean you might judge yourself.
I think you and you identity don't like to be threatened.
rhymer
QUOTE(Joesus @ Sep 07, 05:45 PM) *

So before someone told you something you couldn't grasp you felt lousy and now that someone has told you something different you feel great?

Are your feelings so easily swayed by what others do and what you are told?
If so, that would kinda make you like a puppet on the strings of circumstance.



False assumptions (like yours) often lead to an attempt to shoot the messenger.

You obviously did not notice the serious part of the message.
Lindsay
QUOTE(rhymer @ Sep 07, 11:16 AM) *

False assumptions (like yours) often lead to an attempt to shoot the messenger.
So true, Rhymer. I presume your comment, above, is meant for Joesus' attention.

Meanwhile, keep in mind that I always try to avoid using dialogue-killing argumentum ad hominems when I post. While the dark side of me enjoys analysing the penumas of others--that is, trying to figure out what others are really like--I feel that, unless I get permission to probe, it is best for me not to attempt it. If I ever even appear to offer a personal attack--the blame and shame game--please lets me know so that I can, immediately, offer an apology and change my ways.

Recently, on CBC radio, I heard the true story of a teacher who had the reputation for being a tough but fair disciplinarian who welcomed transparency, questions and dialogue. For example, regarding essays that he assigned: he simply refused, after one warning, to read any essay and give marks, if, without a good explanation, it was handed in late. Without any demeaning comments--he made it a rule always to speak to his students in a mature and respectul manner--he simply tossed the essay into his waste basket.

One day, one student broke the rule, twice. This second time, the teacher asked him to stand beside his desk. After he had ripped the student's essay in pieces, he spent the next five minutes offering demeaning personal attacks. In a commanding voice he then told the student, "Sit down, you @#$%##@!"

Turning to the rest of the class he said: "Class, I have some words for you, too. They have to do with how I feel about your reaction to what you just witnessed, here: I feel sad that not one of you raised your hand and asked me why I did what I just did. Without interruption, I was allowed to rant on, shame, blame and demean one of your fellow students and in front of the whole class. All I heard was silence.

"O, I need to add: It was with the permission of your fellow student that this litte drama, which you just witnessed, was staged. We agreed to do it in prepartation for the focuss of next weeks social and history studies. They have to do with the basic causes of the holocaust."
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BTW, as long as posters avoid personal attacks and give me the right to remain silent when I feel the need to, go ahead: Ask your questions and make your assumptions. I will respond as I see fit.
Joesus
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False assumptions (like yours) often lead to an attempt to shoot the messenger.

You obviously did not notice the serious part of the message.

There were no asumptions made, simply a statement made to open dialogue to the affect of personal judgments created by feelings.
Lindsay made a comment that he had a feeling that I was playing the I know more than you game.

I think personal feelings always get in the way and leave one vulnerable to judgment that is emotionally attached to what makes one feel good in order to accept what comes to them.
It's easy to make a judgment about a person or circumstance and not see the manifest with equality when one is attached to their feelings.
If you feel shot and identify as the messenger then that is your choice. It is impossible for me to have any power over you and your feelings unless you give them to me and make me the reason for your feelings.


Lindsay:
I find that you are not open to learn anything new, in fact I find you quite defensive of your identity of yourself.
If you cannot take subjective dialogue without feeling threatened you are not ready to accept change.
Lindsay
Joesus:
I find that you are not open to learn anything new, in fact I find you quite defensive of your identity of yourself.

If you cannot take subjective dialogue without feeling threatened you are not ready to accept change.
laugh.gif

And I would love to know: How is the state of your sense of humour (Canadian spelling, eh)?
Joesus
That would be subjective wouldn't it.
cosmichong
this meditation will help some.

the MAUM MEDITATION

www.maum.org

check this out!
Lindsay
QUOTE(cosmichong @ Oct 20, 2006, 09:02 PM) *

this meditation will help some.
the MAUM MEDITATION
www.maum.org
check this out!
Cosmichong, as one who has been interested in the understanding the nature, function and the power, for good or ill, of the human spirit at least since the 1940's--I finished high school in 1946--it is always good to read about the interest of others. I read, with interest, the site you mentioned http://eng.maum.org/
You tell us the 'mah-eum' is the Korean for soul, mind, spirit. Does it have a literal meaning? Our word, spirit, comes from the Latin, spiritus, which literally means, air, wind or breath.
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