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Enki
We have interesting news from the John Hopkins University, btw the University some gentlemen from wanted to grab Brain Meta several years ago.

So it stays in mind for long period of time and you can see interesting creatures all year along. laugh.gif

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/200...i-seo062608.php

Public release date: 1-Jul-2008
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Contact: John Lazarou
jlazaro1@jhmi.edu
410-502-8902
Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions

Spiritual effects of hallucinogens persist,

Johns Hopkins researchers report
Related report gives safety guidelines for hallucinogen research
In a follow-up to research showing that psilocybin, a substance contained in "sacred mushrooms," produces substantial spiritual effects, a Johns Hopkins team reports that those beneficial effects appear to last more than a year.

Writing in the Journal of Psychopharmacology, the Johns Hopkins researchers note that most of the 36 volunteer subjects given psilocybin, under controlled conditions in a Hopkins study published in 2006, continued to say 14 months later that the experience increased their sense of well-being or life satisfaction.

"Most of the volunteers looked back on their experience up to 14 months later and rated it as the most, or one of the five most, personally meaningful and spiritually significant of their lives," says lead investigator Roland Griffiths, Ph.D., a professor in the Johns Hopkins departments of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences and Neuroscience.

In a related paper, also published in the Journal of Psychopharmacology, researchers offer recommendations for conducting this type of research.

The guidelines caution against giving hallucinogens to people at risk for psychosis or certain other serious mental disorders. Detailed guidance is also provided for preparing participants and providing psychological support during and after the hallucinogen experience. These "best practices" contribute both to safety and to the standardization called for in human research.

"With appropriately screened and prepared individuals, under supportive conditions and with adequate supervision, hallucinogens can be given with a level of safety that compares favorably with many human research and medical procedures," says that paper's lead author, Mathew W. Johnson, Ph.D., a psychopharmacologist and instructor in the Johns Hopkins Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences.

The two reports follow a 2006 study published in another journal, Psychopharmacology, in which 60 percent of a group of 36 healthy, well-educated volunteers with active spiritual lives reported having a "full mystical experience" after taking psilocybin. {See http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_relea.../07_11_06.html}

Psilocybin, a plant alkaloid, exerts its influence on some of the same brain receptors that respond to the neurotransmitter serotonin. Mushrooms containing psilocybin have been used in some cultures for hundreds of years or more for religious, divinatory and healing purposes.

Fourteen months later, Griffiths re-administered the questionnaires used in the first study -- along with a specially designed set of follow up questions -- to all 36 subjects. Results showed that about the same proportion of the volunteers ranked their experience in the study as the single most, or one of the five most, personally meaningful or spiritually significant events of their lives and regarded it as having increased their sense of well-being or life satisfaction.

"This is a truly remarkable finding," Griffiths says. "Rarely in psychological research do we see such persistently positive reports from a single event in the laboratory. This gives credence to the claims that the mystical-type experiences some people have during hallucinogen sessions may help patients suffering from cancer-related anxiety or depression and may serve as a potential treatment for drug dependence. We're eager to move ahead with that research."

Griffiths also notes that, "while some of our subjects reported strong fear or anxiety for a portion of their day-long psilocybin sessions, none reported any lingering harmful effects, and we didn't observe any clinical evidence of harm."

The research team cautions that if hallucinogens are used in less well supervised settings, the possible fear or anxiety responses could lead to harmful behaviors.


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These studies were funded by grants from NIDA, the Council on Spiritual Practices, and the Heffter Research Institute.

Additional researchers who contributed to this work include Matthew W. Johnson, Ph.D. and Una D. McCann, M.D. of the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine; psychologist William A. Richards of the Johns Hopkins Bayview Medical Center; and Robert Jesse of the Council on Spiritual Practices, San Francisco.
Enki
If making Attachment related problem will be overcome in this section,

then I also will directly post interesting paper on acacia (acaCIA) Brew from Hebrew University. wink.gif

Here is a link to that paper I already made in other section of the forum, see PDF file: http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?act=A...ype=post&id=746
Joesus
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Griffiths is quick to emphasize the scientific intent of the study. “We’re just measuring what can be observed,” he says; “We’re not entering into ‘Does God exist or not exist.’ This work can’t and won’t go there.”


I think that the idea behind labeling mushrooms as the cause for increased spirituality is a bit much, almost tabloid like in trying to make a dramatic statement.
What would be more believable is that spiritually inclined people are taking mushrooms to increase their experiences in hopes of expanding the experience of spirituality.
But since their disclaimer specifically states that they're not entering into the realm of the existence of God I am more interested in what they are connecting spirituality to.
In the beginning of the report they were saying that people were happier after taking mushrooms but, if you are diving into altered states and thrill seeking in exalted experiences it would be a lot like living in a dream world of fantasy and play. I would imagine that if you continually focus on playing in a dream world the increased happiness or feeling of being carefree would seem to expand.
Enki
IMPORTANT: in addition to this I should mention that in Ethiopia there is an ancient Library located at a top of a hill-fortress which slopes are perpendicular and one can climb on it only via help of special ropes. So in that library there is a very ancient Christian colored book named Book of Mary. In that book one can find very colorful depictions from bible. On one of them one can find Apostles embracing huge Mushrooms (more bigger than their height), on other pages one can see women standing under cross of Jesus, women are depicted in Indian style with black dots at their foreheads.

SO: who knows, maybe in the Altered Sate of Mind in the Out of Body Experience a Jumper/Grasshopper/Sparrow can jump to the 20 meters high Obelisk in Acsum, Ethiopia and in that Altered State of Mind the Door carved in stone at the bottom of the Acsum’s Obelisk may open and one can Jump into some other interesting or murky world, and who knows, maybe in that Altered State of mind at the upper stone carved widows of the Acsum Obelisk one can see Transforming Elves, Gnomes and other creatures. All this should be scientifically researched. One of the Acsum's Obelisks were stolen by Mussolini, soon it maybe will return to Ethiopia back.

I think a necessity of starting to develop United Theory of Matrix is looming.
I inform all in advance that I will not participate in any research without pre-funding. tongue.gif
Enki
Gentlemen, as things are changing, and things are changing rapidly some international council is needed to regulate Political relations with the Wonderland. At least some sort if International Conference on the Realm of Ridicule should be initiated and funded.

I suggest to start to think about that.
Lizard King
KKccHcHsHt!
Affirmative Houston
The Eagle has landed.

No slight intended with the water
It was just to hard to resist
There's an ad on the tube here, about an insurance sales team out on a diving instruction charter
The captain finds out what they do ie sell ins.
The crew helps them into the water, as the instructor enthusiastically encourages them to swim
over to the pod of friendly dolphins nearby.
Camera pans back to reveal a multitude of shark fins
The crew is bailing buckets of blood and guts into the water as the boat begins to leave

And one who recognised this and the eh, would gain the other contextual tidbit.



I don't have a lot of spare time to read all of these postings, so I hope I'm not walking a beaten path.

The effect of psilocybin and many other psychotropics, is to stimulate synesthetic awareness.
As increased awareness within oneself is experienced, the self senses the difference in information flow
and that it does not emanate from within Itself.
The sense of other is, to itself (as yet) incomprehensible.
The self then conceives to expand, to envelope these awareness, ie claim them as its own.
This manifests as a larger feel of oneness within.
As some of the data are derived from heightened awareness of externally oriented sensory systems
A stronger relationship to the outside is also experienced.
A feeling of oneness with all.

The god module

Enki
Let us speak clearly

There are two possibilities:

a) what people see and experience is Hallucination
cool.gif what people see is not a Hallucination

We excellently well know from stories of people who like to take the magic brew, that different people from different nations see the same things, can communicate, exchange information, travel here and there and meet and talk with very strange creatures even Dragons etc. Scientific justification of all this exists but is not published in public periodicals already for many centuries. But, as number of people who are traveling significantly increased and the scientific progress brings along very specific possibilities, thus endangering the stability of our Civilization, so something must be done. That is why it is time to initiate some new frames of dealing with the fast growing number of the so called magicians. That is the very strong opinion of mine.

The entire Matrix Movie and Harry Potter saga I guess are fully related with that Magical World of the psilocybin, where people appear (jump into) in Out of Body States, thus the idea of the Multi Verse circulates so proactively and now is extensively elaborated. It looks like that the Magic Elixir of Panaramix from well known Grand Orient cartoons about Obelix and Asterix is widely available now in our world. So the security of the Entire Civilization is under VERY SERIOUS QUESTION. And it looks like that nobody including Vatican do not want to move their Asses to prevent dangerous percolations. If someone opens the Gateways the Army of Jumpers will flood all the doors and paths. And the Olympic Games under the aegis of Cesar may become real nightmare.

In view of that it is extremely important to call an International Congress to discuss the situation.
If the International Congress not be called, then I think that the UPPER CREATURES shall act directly fully ignoring the FREE WILL of many and many and many as in world where there are so many magicians and an army of small magicians incubated on Harry Potter books is growing, human FREE WILL is already under VERY SERIOUS QUESTION, so it looks like that the old AGREEMENTS are seriously violated.

Hope, nobody wants Mr. Obelix drink the Magic Elixir and Mr. Phoenix eat from the tree...??? I already feel and smell that the Jumpers can be deliciously tasty with Magical Wine and good cheese. Hope nobody wants to become a part of a meal on the table of THE GARGANTUA?!!!

Please do pay attention to my upper comments related with Ethiopia. Imagine what kind of specific religious transformation may come along when the growing army of the mentioned small magicians, now so rigorously reading books on Harry Potter, will grow up soon. Can you imagine what will happen with our world if they all start to grow Shrooms at their homes?

If nobody shall show any initiative to discuss those problematic things, then I guess that the NEW WORLD ORDER shall be a quite unexpected ORDER.
trojan_libido
Morning Enki! I have to believe that 99% of people could not continue to take entheogens, because pretty soon you'll be scared witless for messing with these things without an aim. There is no risk of everyone running round tripping and committing crimes as we all fall into the depths of Hell...

If I were ever to become an active anarchist (I've been described as an anarchist, so i must say im passive lol), I would give every person in government a taste of these sacraments and hope they would find some truth in their paths. But the world being what it is would mean I'd only influence the reintegration of church and state. /sigh

Truth is, I had rejected religion as a mass delusion and psychological culture virus. Entheogen use actually reawakened the spiritual side of me, then I had to requestion my original negative response to religion. My beliefs still come from experience as they always should. Reading and imagining truth does not make it so.
Enki
Good Evening Trojan!

Very importaint point, thank you! It is really very tentative question. That balance between those things. But now we appeared in quite new situation. Actually now it becomes a political matter. We have quite new reality.
Joesus
A new reality where God is now contained in a mushroom and the fight for empowerment by intoxication is pursued by those who believe their right to worship through the consumption of spores is politically challenged.

Life used to be so simple when God was in everything.... now again God has a limited venue.

Didn't the church play this game once before, claiming to have special dispensations for God?

Some people never get any smarter and continue to fall for the same old gags. Different place and time but still the same illusion... dry.gif
Enki
So this all certainly requires some political regulation in planetary scale.

How knows what kind of gates those small Harry Potters will eventually open.
Joesus
I think it requires an evolution in intellectual discernment. Where humanity looks beyond the distractions of political smoke and mirrors, and where humans wake up to something other than fighting for the right to remain deluded.
Rick
QUOTE(Joesus @ Jul 08, 2008, 09:49 PM) *
Life used to be so simple when God was in everything....

If God is in everything, then does it not follow that God is in the magic mushrooms?
Joesus
QUOTE(Rick @ Jul 09, 2008, 07:16 PM) *

QUOTE(Joesus @ Jul 08, 2008, 09:49 PM) *
Life used to be so simple when God was in everything....

If God is in everything, then does it not follow that God is in the magic mushrooms?

Yes absolutely, but then that would mean it is not special to the mushroom and the altered experiences are not necessarily the reflection of God if God is equal in all things.
Why would some altered experience created by chemical reaction be closer to being God when God is equally present in something that doesn't produce the same altered experience?
Wouldn't that be similar to the fascination one might have to sitting in a new car, when the excitement of the senses is more or less the gage being used to determine what God is?
More sense stimulation=more God in most superstitions.
In sexually driven religious cults the more sex and the more orgasms the closer to God. Just because one is drawn out into an experience that is more or less outside of the box that one normally conditions themselves to doesn't mean they have reached nirvana.
Timothy leary tried to reach a state of communion with God but each time he tripped it was unique to his current state of mind and body. Nothing was exactly the same tho he may have wandered in a dreamlike state for several years, but the fact remains he died without proving even to himself that the pathway through hallucinogenic mind altered experiences was a pathway to unite the human mind with God.

God is inside all things and more than not, people fail to find it within themselves without trying to force themselves into some kind of experience that takes them outside of their experience of themselves. Then when they do force the mind into some kind of experience it is no longer them that they are experiencing but some doorway or altered reality that is anything but familiar to who they are.

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, or the fishing is always better at the other end of the dock or....etc.etc.

A great sage once said heaven is right here on earth, and everyone is still looking everywhere but at home, and the really strange thing is if they knew what it is or was they would recognize it. Instead without ever having become familiar with the reality of Heaven or God, one altered trip and one automatically becomes an expert and recognizes and then defines what they have never experienced or defined before.

.... and then it becomes a religion...... and then there's the political fight for freedom of religion....and the ferris wheel turns and turns....
Enki
[[QUOTE Rick
//QUOTEJoesus @ Jul 08, 2008, 09:49 PM)
Life used to be so simple when God was in everything.... //

If God is in everything, then does it not follow that God is in the magic mushrooms?]]

Ha! Great question Rick! 10 points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pure Logic. My deep respects Sir.
Enki
The communication with God was the greatest problem of all Civilizations, because people write that the metaGPRS Line with God is not a stable connection. So people were trying to make it more stable by:

1. Building buildings with good and proper acoustic, e.g. Solomon Temple
2. Making the brew and mushrooms and parmesan as good as is possible
3. Polishing the language via which one can talk with God in a way to make the communication more stable and without interruptions and the line free from Galactic Hackers etc.

Eventually some gentlemen made some progress and made out of that a great secret which they call 'lost' keys of freemasonry.

Thus, the Magic Mushrooms, seems make possible to investigate those channels of communication with Narnia, Middlearth and with the Upper Beings. The question is: can we for sure state that those things really do exist? As human sensors remain the instrument of investigation of the Realm of Unknown yet I guess mankind hardly shall get free access to the God, if not the God himself breaks the global silence and start to talk via TV. laugh.gif
Enki
Or join interesting public forums, e.g. Brain Meta.
trojan_libido
The human mind is the current creator of our Universe, and it was created from the process people like to call 'God'. Therefore anything which can alter a non-believers mind to such a point that mystical and religious experience can occur is surely important. Its a little unfair to say 'God is everywhere, so the mushroom contains God but only by default'. To say that is to deny experience!

Living for all this time on the Earth in the normal mindset does not guarantee an experience of cosmic consciousness, no matter how hard you pray and believe. Its quite random because everyones mind is built differently.

Since God is in everything, would you be so dismissive about a person who feels they've made a connection with God when they give birth to a new life (or witness it)? Thats a run of the mill activity we've been doing since life began. Would you welcome them into the fold because they had the experience 'naturally' - despite the spiritual communion being triggered because of endorphins and the formation of new bonds? This is also a delusion of the mind, but I think children often make people more aware of the process they're involved in and appreciative of all the Universe has given them.

My point is, childbirth is only a single point in time that can also stimulate a spiritual experience. Do you believe this is any different?

It may be a 'delusion' to think that the experience is God, but it beats beleiving God is everywhere without any personal experience at all! Its also a delusion to believe you have all the answers, the mushroom does everything to humble the loud mouths talking about truth without experience.
Joesus
QUOTE
It may be a 'delusion' to think that the experience is God, but it beats beleiving God is everywhere without any personal experience at all!

Well I favor optimism over negativity as well, at least it makes for a happy fool, rather than a despondent one.

QUOTE
Its also a delusion to believe you have all the answers, the mushroom does everything to humble the loud mouths talking about truth without experience.

And for those who do have an experience of God in everything and it being slightly more mundane than the delusions of altered states produced by mushrooms, humility is a bit more freeing than defending delusions.
Rick
So I have a choice, eh? The new car with god in it or the used car with god in it? Easy. But the old car does get comfortable.
Enki
Gentlemen why we talk so much. Let us pass to the facts.

Now some funny details about divine Cybernetics, facts are better than dreams as far as we all know: let us consider interesting elements in names of some Countries (Domains in the Cybernetic Network of our dear so called Matrix):

Hope you all know who is Mr. Indra (I read he is considered somewhere as the King of Gods):

Root: India
Transf.: Letter "i" grows a little and becomes "r"
Gateway: Indra

Root: Iraq
Transf.: Iraq, Irad, transliteration+ key "n" = Idra+n=Indra
Gateway: Indra

Root: Iran
Transf.: transliteration+ key "d" = Inra+d=Indra
Gateway: Indra

Celestial Empire:
Root: China
Transf.: China, Ch ina, + key d_r = Ch Indra
Gateway: Indra/ChIndra
Examples: Chandra Sekar, Ch'ndra. ChIndra etc.

Now I do hope this funny games of Enki shall amaze you all.

Cool, is not it? So why Persia became Iran? Who was the inventor of those names gentlemen? Coincidence or ...?

Let me show you another trick:

Root: Persia
Transf: Transliteration - Pe asir, Pe Asir (Asri, Isra; Isra + EL, Israel, EL, LE (Lord Enki) I am joking) wink.gif
Gateway: Asir, Asar, Asur, Osiris

Root: Russia
Transf: Transliteration - Rus sia, US Asir, US Osiris
Gateway: Osiris

I can continue gentlemen. But do we need that. Let us accept facts. Human brains communicate and exchange information somehow, there are keys in that communications and there are things which rule people, in old times those things were called Gods.

So I guess gentlemen that it is time to start Political Talks on those sensitive subjects on the Verge of Establishment of the NEW WORLD ORDER (NEO, rotate W clockwise).

PS: There are many ways to the HEAVen and I guess EHVA knows them. I do really hope that the people do not forget about that. I just feel necessary to remind about that from my far away country.

PPS: And remember children, the Matrix does not exist! wink.gif

PPPS: And I do hope that people from CIA who like to take Acacia (AcaCIA) brew shall move their asses a little and shall understand that even if they Know The Truth it not Necessarily will make them Free. And if some Illuminated gentlemen like to travel in Time, it does not mean that they become Gods and can steal Prophets of the God from the past and invent religions from past to the future thus fooling the LORD in Gnostic joy! That is just a wise recommendation of MINE.
The bird Phoenix does not take the brew having aim to stay neutral. But the integrity of the Civilization should not be questioned. It is time for mankind to pass to new Platform of reality perception. Political talks are necessary KIDS.

Who is brave enough to ignore this MESSAGE?
Enki
So Mr. Rick, how scientifically can you explain those interesting coincidences related with those interesting Transformations of names of Mr. Indra and Mr Osiris?

Have this message of mine (see above) somehow hesitated the solid tower of your atheistic outlook at the reality?

I am very interesting. Your opinion is like a thermometer on our dear Brain Meta.
Enki
Why that reply button does not work in this section???!!!
I really wonder why nobody cares to correct that?
Only fast reply works.

Trojan I cannot quote your message to comment I am sorry.
rhymer
Hi Enki,

With your profound skills at transliteration you should already know...

reply re ply
ply = fuse
and so reply = refuse!

Matrix re-initihated
Enki
I see, I see.

You know I downloaded Opera as you recommended and the Reply button still does not work. Only the fast reply works.

Transliterations can be interesting indeed. But there can be more interesting things few know about. Not only Mashrooms.

I start to understand why the Reply button does not work.

We shall see.
Enki
Have you noted that the weather on our planet significantly changed? Hurricanes, Tsunamis, Floods are frequent. I think if we add possible asteroids and volcanoes then that certainly will have very negative impact on World Economy. Is not it?
Enki
Gentlemen think that they can keep Ms. Calypso in deep shit, mock and urinate over the NAME and enjoy sunny sky and limitlessly drink from the Grail. What a great misleading...
Rick
QUOTE(Enki @ Jul 10, 2008, 12:43 PM) *

So Mr. Rick, how scientifically can you explain those interesting coincidences related with those interesting Transformations of names of Mr. Indra and Mr Osiris?

Have this message of mine (see above) somehow hesitated the solid tower of your atheistic outlook at the reality?

I am very interesting. Your opinion is like a thermometer on our dear Brain Meta.

Well, it's Dr. Rick, if you want to be formal (PhD, USC 1997), but I prefer just plain Rick. Coincidences are interesting, but just coincidences. You can read anything you want into the tea leaves. Also, I don't believe I ever called myself an "atheist." I think gnostic is more like it.
Enki
I am sorry Doctor. Just coincidences?! Really?! Tea leaves!
I see, gnostic. So just coincidence, I see, I see. Very interesting Dr. Rick. Thank you for your comments.

You see you can Quote a text and I cannot.
Rick
Why not quote a text?
Enki
Intentional restrictions imposed to demonstrate power. It is a matter of principle.
Enki
But we shall see who has the real power in this world.
Enki
Eventually.
Joesus
QUOTE(Rick @ Jul 10, 2008, 03:09 PM) *

So I have a choice, eh? The new car with god in it or the used car with god in it? Easy. But the old car does get comfortable.

Yes it does and then comfort has nothing to do with God, only personal interests.
Rick
But if god is in everything, then god must be in personal interests.

Surely many draw comfort from their faith.
Joesus
But it is an assumption that God takes sides. Every war that was ever fought had those who believed God should be on their side, because their side was righteous.
God is the field of energy that supports free will and even the ego as it expresses itself in belief and identity.
However the ego is a construct of belief and the only thing that makes it real is the conscious attention that it is given by freedom of will and choice. Once the human factor is taken away or the the ego dies... Awarenees expands itself into infinity.
God on the other hand is absolute and exists as the activity and the non activity prior to the awareness or creation of ego.
God does not in itself change itself into something as does the projections of belief or ego and human delusion.

Many do draw comfort from their faith, but if comfort is not experienced as inherent and it is only a crutch pulled out of an idea or belief that shifts the attention from the seed of discomfort, then it is more of an illusion than a reality, more of a band-aid than a cure for the cause of suffering and delusion.
Actually the mind of humans is closer to God in the sleeping state when the awareness of personality and beliefs are not limiting the awareness by locking it into form and identity. The mind does not bring back with it the experience of the absolute when it wakes up but may retain memories of dreams as the mind through the awareness of the nervous system moves in and out of the absolute and the stresses accumulated in the experiences and projections of daily activity.
As such God is more amorphous than it is an idea or belief that is called faith.
The ego tends to create personal systems of self measure where God is determined to be somthing or nothing and in some form or measure of quantity according to feelings, be they emotional or intuitive. More God here than there, less God here than there, but that is just illusion.
Lindsay
QUOTE(Rick @ Jul 10, 2008, 02:20 PM) *

But if god is in everything, then god must be in personal interests. ...
BTW, GOD is also in ordinary mushrooms, and people, not just the magic ones. smile.gif
Enki
The above numbered examples with Indra and Osiris can be extended over Syrisa, Israel, Asia. Please note that all those countries are located nearby.

There are many other extrimly interesting examples which certainly will be considered as coincidences by Dr. Rick.

The most funny is the example with Arabs:

root: ARABS
Transf.: Transliteration - ABRA S, ABRA S +XA=ABRAXAS
Gateway: ABRAXAS

Hope Dr. Rick should like this GNOSTIC example.

And there is an interesting mystery related with America and one other country.

Too many coincidences Dr. Rick, too many. And if one day you shall know who exactly is writing on Brain Meta under username Enki about those coincidences, then I am sure that you will accept that it is another Great coincidence. tongue.gif
Enki
Gentlemen, do not fear to accept facts.
Joesus
Facts are created from fear and illusion when they point to mortality as reality.
Enki
Coming back to those interesting examples I should mention that there are quite many interesting things ahead, which under scrutinized scientific analysis reveal that there is something certain out there.

So, I once again accentuate on necessity of starting political talks.
Enki
Don’t you think Dr. Rick that starting direct negotiations with the Upper Masters of this world will help to manage all the problems of mankind in the best way possible in our technological era? That will foster the Great Peace I guess. Besides we will be able to coupe with the Global Warming, overcome many other problems and will get opportunity to expand over the stars. I think that will be an interesting Alliance. Is not it wise and Pragmatic?

Republic of People under spiritual guidance of the Republic of Heavens and Hell and Neutral Spheres. Some sort of Constitutional Monarchy. World Democratic Government.

The material world has great opportunities in our Nano era. We can observe miraculous achievements of mankind but those achievements should be done in a way to take into consideration interests of the Celestial parties. So from that point of view the political talks are needed anyway. I can continue to flicker in this far away country and eventually disappear, but at the same time much more can be done if the Great Alliance will be established. Otherwise the Upper Masters and the Earth will not permit mankind to make the next step without taking their opinion into account.

People can become immortals in this material world under certain options if they want, so it is just a matter of negotiations and joint research together with the Upper Masters. I guess making Alliance with the Invisible Empires will be a wise solution. Why to waist so much money on trifles?

If Jews do not care to orientate in the right way, if freemasons and masons do not care to orientate in the right way in these peculiar matters, then that Alliance can be made even with Vatican and even with Russian Templars. So it is a matter of free choice. I think it is fair.
Enki
I think the consequences of ignoring this will be extremely dramatic for the entire mankind.
Joesus
They observe but do not interfere.
The last time they tried to elevate mankind, complete with their ego and free will the human population destroyed itself almost entirely.
Giving the people immortality would only destroy the surrounding planet leaving the people this time.

God gave us free will and even tho God loves stupid people God does not hand over the keys to the universe to a child who does not have the intelligence to use them. And it is not in anyone's best interests to try and circumvent experience and wisdom.

IF the universe were filled with God like clones without free will then I suppose the mess you wish to clean up wouldn't exist.
But I think you fail to see the perfection in it as it exists.
Enki
That is just an humble opinion of mine.

And hardly Mr. Anderson - NEO from movie Matrix will save the situation.
Because the New World Order (NEO, rotate W clockwise to get E) is coming and its frames depend on negotiations.

Root: Anderson
Transf.: Ander son, Transliteration endrA son, 'ndra son, Indra Son
Gateway: Indra

There was a great proponent of Freedom in the United States: Mr. Wendell Willkie the founder of the Freedom House along with Eleanora Roosevelt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendell_Willkie).
There was a great slogan of Mr. Willkie : "MUST AVOID WAR."

I think it is good motto for this very case.

Btw, let me to make a minor shift in topic. One lady Dragon in china claiming the throne of the Yellow Dragon was fascinated by Mr. Willkie. That is an retesting story:

Wikipedia: Relations with Madame Chiang Kai-shek

According to Gardner Cowles, publisher of the Des Moines Register, Willkie's visit to the Republic of China led to a bizarre consequence: Madame Chiang Kai-shek, the hugely ambitious wife of China's ruler, developed the idea that she could seduce and marry Willkie, use China's wealth to help him become president in 1944, and thus become the most powerful woman in the world. Cowles claimed that the affair was consummated in China, and that on a visit to the U.S. a few months later, she told him "If Wendell could be elected, then he and I would rule the world. I would rule the Orient and Wendell would rule the western world." He pointedly did not dismiss the possibility that Willkie, had he been nominated, might have accepted her highly improbable offer on some level.[3]

Interesting story is not it Dr. Rick, you see how interesting the things can be, sometimes.
Enki
>They observe but do not interfere.

Really? Are you sure? Then what a hell I am doing here?

You know Jisi, let the God speak for himself/herself, you are not the one who should explain what the God wants. I wonder why you think that you are the one who knows the truth about such specific things?

E.g. I speak myself. We need political negotiations on those issues, that is my humble opinion and I express it on my own behalf.

So please do not speak from name of God, let him/her speak for himself/herself. I think he/she does not need emissaries like you. Do you have rights to be his/her emissary here?
Joesus
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Really? Are you sure? Then what a hell I am doing here?

Well I'm sure you have your own ideas, and me telling you how to separate illusion from reality only seems to irritate your pride.
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You know Jisi, let the God speak for himself/herself, you are not the one who should explain what the God wants. I wonder why you think that you are the one who knows the truth about such specific things?

Why do you think you know the truth about specific things?
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E.g. I speak myself. We need political negotiations on those issues, that is my humble opinion and I express it on my own behalf.

Well good then, we have established that you aren't speaking on God's behalf and as such do not have a clue what perfection there is in God and God's creation.
Like all dissatisfied customers maybe you seek to do a better job, thinking you might have a better answer to creation than God?

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So please do not speak from name of God, let him/her speak for himself/herself. I think he/she does not need emissaries like you.

God doesn't need anything...
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Do you have rights to be his/her emissary here?

We all are emissaries.
Most just fail to see beyond surface appearances which are really reflections of the ego.
What seems to irritate you most is just what is being drawn from the wells of your own personality and has nothing to do with being a victim to me.
But the good news is, as long as you keep coughing up hairballs you have a chance to recognize the dark forces you harbor within.
Enki
>Why do you think you know the truth about specific things?

I never told you or anybody that I know the truth, I just express my own opinion. That is you who speak on behalf of God. Have you noted that?

>Well good then, we have established that you aren't speaking on God's behalf and as such do not have a clue what perfection there is in God and God's creation.

Who are those "we"? You want to say "you".
Certainly I talk on my behalf. I really wonder who you are to tell me have I a clue to something or not? I do really wonder.

>God doesn't need anything...

I wonder how do you know what he/she needs? You make statements, I really wonder. E.g. I know that I needed Dishwashing machine. How you can speak instead of God and make statements? Maybe he/she needs something, e.g. some money? Have she/he told you personally that he/she does not need something? Certainly not. Then how you dare to make statments instead of him/her???????????????

> We all are emissaries.

Really? And Mr. Hitler and Mr. Stalin too?

>But the good news is, as long as you keep coughing up hairballs you have a chance to recognize the dark forces you harbor within.

Ohhh, DARK FORCES. HA HA HA. Booooooooooo. Vuuuuuuuu.

Special note: Children, while reading this segment of the forum remember the Matrix does not exist.

So. Vuuuuuuuuuuuuu. Booooooo. New World Order is coming Jisi. Booooooooo. Ho Ho Ho!

Surrender!
Enki
Wiki: Abjad is an ancient numerical system in the Arabic-speaking world. In this system each of the 28 letters of the Arabic alphabet represent the units, tens and hundreds up to and including 1000.[34] The numerical value of the letters of Allah (الله ) according to the traditional Arabic abjad system adds up to 66.

Execute order # 66! Senator Polpatin, Star Wars, Episode III. George Walton Lucas (32, GeoWa[Ehovha])
Enki
So, again, in my humble opinion, the political discussions should be started ladies and gentlemen.
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