Just call me master of the obvious.


Could you quote me where I make this claim to know everything.


I would never..

Where did the me go? Where could it go? Are you saying the me never existed or was experienced? Wouldn't conscious awareness include both illusion and truth and the ability to recognize the difference? Or is Consciousness forgetful or schizophrenic?


Oh I bet he would. You might be narrowing the egoless experience to an experience of the reflection of the absolute, the silence and stillness of what appears to be nothing.
When one immerses themselves in the absolute, the reality of where all things begin and end lead the way to the surrender of identity of self and experience. This is not a state of consciousness but a reflection of Self. It is not egolessness because here potential does not disclude or include anything.
Being egoless is not being without ego. Some Masters have spoken of killing the ego, or death of the ego, but in reality it was a description of the death of the waking state, or the transition from one level of awareness to another.
In reference to change according to some Eastern Teachings and the description of change within the natural laws that support reality, Everything is made possible by the Gunas.
When a flower blooms the bud dies. When a child becomes a man the child dies but in reality the child is not such an illusion that the experience never happened, or is dead to the universe like it is gone. As such the experience of the me never leaves one in the experience of the Self because the Self includes the me and all experiences beyond the identification of me.
Conscious thought (not necessarily waking state conscious thought where the ego is dominant) includes all rather than some, or partial awareness.
This would be expanded consciousness rather than selective consciousness or unconsciousness where something is experienced while all other experiences are blanked out.
Are you familiar with the Brahman, or the conscious experience of being in more than one place at the same time?

Some believe the goal of meditation is the experience with closed the eyes. Others who meditate throughout their lives do so to bring the absolute into the manifest rather than to escape the manifest into silence and non experience.
In reality expanded states of consciousness merge what was impossible to experience in more gross levels of awareness and often experienced as nothing into experience of Self where conscious thought and awareness were not possible before.
This is similar to the comprehension of reality in the evolving child and the adult. Experience lays the foundation for the capability to comprehend, but in the development of the ego comprehension relies heavily on merging the past with the present and the predictability of the future rather than the development of the subtle senses and the awareness of multidimensional realities or the poteential of the absolute Self.
As such there has been much mystery and fantasy rallied around the identity with non experience or the temporary blanking out of awareness when the mind leaves what is most familiar and then temporarily losing itself in the unfamiliar expansiveness of Supreme being.


I wasn't saying much about me, I was pointing out the choice you were making to only focus on something greater than your waking state reality sometimes, and then to pat yourself on the back for doing what you believe is greater on occasion, and with the idea that its enhanced with the use of hallucinogens.

I had a friend once who used to compare body building with smoking. He said he was tearing down the muscle tissue in his lungs to make them stronger.
Anyone can make excuses for their choices and then justify them with a reason that make sense to them.
God gives humans choice but does not necessarily create a value in the choice. That can follow interpretation of different levels of conscious awareness. Children have values that become valueless as they become adults. I'm only suggesting that your present system of values will necessarily influence you present experiences.



If everyone can't, then I would say its not a universal truth but a personal truth. That could be all the reason to defend something, if one would feel they were being threatened personally, or if they felt their personal experience was special or fragile.
I think you could do better than to have to defend yourself, or you might even come up with some better excuses.

Why would you draw to yourself anything that would cause you to defend your choices? Are you a victim?
I thought I'd ask this again to see if this defensive position is something you consciously chose for, or unconsciously stepped into, or if life just threw it at you because that's the way it is.

No to answering yes or no.

The ego can conceptualize within its own terms what rebirth is. As to making anything special that could be relegated to personality and egoic necessity.



point of reference. Two or more people could be standing in a room and have completely different experiences. Is it because something is special that one has an experience or is it just point of reference. Thoughts that create impressions in neural pathways may leave one receptive to certain influences and someone may be receptive to something where another is not. Is something still special when someone experiences it and another does not in the same period of time and in the same location?

Do you think back with special fondness on all experiences? Have you had the experience of eating the same thing over and over again where you liked what you ate in the beginning but became less enchanted with it later, or having repeated experiences of anything where the effects degraded with time and repetitiveness?

I can honestly say I still have feelings and they include appreciation or praise, and it is more akin to the recognition that follows not just the experience but what creates the manifestation of experience and what underlies the feelings. The appreciation is more for the power that underlies the ability to create and experience than the shiny object which can be seen and experienced so many different ways by so many different personalities.

In other words If someone gets a present and it brings them joy I can experience joy from their having joy rather than from the same thing they feel joy about which would be the present. Both of us could feel joy but for two different experiences.

In relative identification, I've been in situations, being one of three brothers, where one gets something and the others don't have any appreciation for the others gift. In fact one might feel depressed while the one who gets feels great.
Detaching from the object is not something you deliberately do, detachment comes after the experience of union which follows the fading of judgment which follows conscious choice to surrender all thought feeling and action back to the unmanifest absolute.

When you experience yourself in the object of perception it is impossible to feel separate from it.
Feelings come and go and they are not necessarily tied to an experience or an object anymore, sometimes they come from being in proximity to someone and feeling their feelings.
Appreciation can come from simply stepping aside from the identification with the subjective world and observing creation unfold from thought and or intention.
In that some might say all of creation is special or you could also say none of it is special, both would be relatively equal in the awareness of Union.

So your admitting that you don't actually have much of an opinion. So why come to debate on this topic? I'm going to start pointing you to Colin Leslie Deans work of genius...

Everyone forms opinions. The sooner you let them go the easier it is to receive greater experience and knowledge.

You said earlier the question was, "Is God in the magic mushrooms?"
This could be answered with a yes or no but looking over the posts I see the subject matter has been spoken of in the description of personal experiences, the belief in God, and whether anyone is enlightened enough to know God; which brings up a point.
You said.
If one is not enlightened enough to know the difference between God and illusion then how could one intelligently speak of a relationship with God in terms of anything let alone create a point of debate.
Secondly how do you debate a question without answering it first then making the decision to debate ones answer to a question? Third, what separates a debate from an argument in your opinion?
Then if your are asking a question with the intent of creating a debate over the answers to invalidate or validate someones experiences what does that say for the mindset of the user who poses the question?
Are you looking for an argument/debate?
Is this the specialness you recognize in life, the opportunity to debate your experiences? Is life a debate?

What are you really looking for in identifying the question is God in a magic mushroom as a topic of debate.
You might believe in God or not, or maybe you are still searching for the definitive answer to what God is or the continuation of the ongoing experience of God.
IF you take magic mushrooms and you have an experience and you liken the experience to God if you have defined God and said experience, then are you looking to validate your experience by seeking like counsel in appreciation for your experience because you feel easily threatened and need to defend the use of Mushrooms by calling it a spiritual tool?
What are you debating here and do you come here strictly to debate every question posed on this media?

Enki came and expressed the feeling that I fucked up this post but I don't think the expression was open for debate, it was an outright expression of opinion and feelings. So I don't know if what you are saying is clear but I would agree it is emotionally inspired.

And I'll probably keep surrendering everything back to first principle or origin, Or living my life as it comes without the need to debate the choices I make or the thoughts that pass by.
Ultimately I think its a lot easier to live if I'm not emotionally guarded.
Just my experience tho, and you are certainly welcome to express your opinions without any fear of taking anything away from me.

Welcome, forgottenpresence. Cool avatar! What does it mean?

God is the illusion, and the reality. The whole point is why is it possible gain a mystical experience from these substances, from both a biological and a historical point of view. Do these substances give enough insight into personal psychology, cultural psychology and even geometrically, to see another view of "God".

Is it the placebo or the thought?
Doctors can give a sugar pill to a patient, tell them it will heal them and the suggestion is taken inward with results similar to the drugs prescribed for the ailment.
In some cases mushrooms will have no psychotic effects, and in other cases it will stretch a persons mind beyond what they are capable of understanding.

Did you get your answer to the question "Do these substances give enough insight into personal psychology, cultural psychology and even geometrically, to see another view of "God"?"

Have we determined what God is and what enough insight is to the subjects mentioned?

Is this still a debate?

Hi!

What it means to me... it means a lot! It is the third eye, which has meaning no words can convey.

No it can't be applied equally. If the Teacher says something that the student doesn't understand then there can be no connection to what the Teacher has said.
If the student prescribes his own ideas of reality into the teaching it may be that what is found and experienced is only illusion.
Not all Teachers are living in illusion or do they guide one toward egoic fantasies.
Not all methods are effective when taught by Teachers who claim to know something when they really don't.
Not all teachers will compromise truth to satisfy the ego and its desire for illusion.

In the history of humanity seeking a God that will take away all misery and suffering, such a thing has yet to be found because there is no external God that would step in and take away ones choice and belief.
One may create representatives or charlatans who profess to knowing God and have their subjects serve their personal beliefs in their knowing, but often dreams are shattered because they are convinced by others that they have found what they are looking for by hypnotizing the mind with foolish ideas and distracting one from what is in their heart.

In the placebo affect it is not the pill that does the healing but the patient that does the healing. What is found is temporary because placebos only work as long as the conscious awareness is shifted from the disease or illness, but it does not treat the cause, only its symptoms.
Just as any drug only treats symptoms healing can only occur when one shifts their awareness from internal stresses to something greater with a method to release the cause of stress and the stress itself.

You think Timothy Leary found the perfect method to experience God through LSD, or do you think he could have done better?
What is found and believed is often illusion and as such temporary, leaving one with nothing at all.
There are some who are less deluded or twisted in helping others follow dreams of fantasy, or to tell them that anything will work as long as they work at it.

Anything is possible but not every possibility is present within the beliefs or the path of each individual because their path may be to discover the difference in illusion and Truth by discovering how the universe supports that which is real rather than fantasy.

It does matter. Seeking pink elephants in a quart jar because you really believe that is where they live is not likely to produce anything other than suffering at the cost of a wasted life dreaming of something that cannot be supported by the natural laws of the environment.

I've never said that ingesting mushroom is the perfect method to experience God. Far from it, it may take you years to experience anything slightly like spiritual.
I was asking you, since you appear to have the required experiences of both natural and induced methods of conscious expansion. Why can't you give an opinion? Has all the ego dissolution left you incapable of deciding one way or another? If so, this enlightenment isn't what I expected it to be.

Dude, I just noticed your signature! It rocks too!!!

Every "no its not" is an example of unlimited potential.

I personally haven't met anyone who would tell me they do not want "peace and happiness" in their lives.
I'm not talking about sometimes or "I remember when..." peace and happiness but peace and happiness in every experience.

Try to find someone who will tell you they do not want it, that they really don't want it, and they will probably tell you they really want it.

Th end result is that few if any really understand what peace and happiness is, nor do they get it.

There are many roads that lead to consciousness but they do not all end in Union.


Enlightenment is nothing about expectations.

Many people have never "broken through" on entheogens. Many cling to their ego so tightly psychedelics only give power to it. Ego-dissolution via entheogens is something not everyone encounters along their travels, but when the time comes it happens and attachmnent is dissolved. The plan now is distachment from the past, not simple, yet not confusing.




Certainly doesn't sound like enlightenment to me

Why bother preaching so much about enlightenment if you can't emanate loving kindness through your words? Kind of contradictory if you ask me...

Mollycoddling the ego is not kindness nor is it compassionate, and.... I never preach!

Thou not know all perspectives.

I don't have to.

No, the fact that people say things like you preach doesn't mean I preach.

In this case the comment was made without any real thought and was inspired by an emotional attachment to a belief.

preaching means different things to different people, this is part of what i meant by my comment. by definition, you are preaching to me.

That would be a personal definition. In which case I'm not required to be co-dependent to meet your expectations.

How can you not be emotionally attached to a belief. Isn't that almost the definition of belief?

That'd be the point, wouldn't it.
Without innocence the attachment to perception rarely allows for any expansion on a point of view.
When someone takes a position based on their personal points of reference they will often deny any other perspective, or the fact that perspectives based on personal points of view are not authoritative points of reference.
Typically one will dig in even further and label all differing points of view. In this case fp labeled my language as preaching.

Well I'd have to agree to be honest. Preaching without an opinion on much. You only preach that most things are illusions, that we cant understand the absolute, which is fair enough. But dont sit on the fence!

your attitude is that you know the truth about entheogens and their interaction with human consciousness and body chemistry. i am not in disagreement with everything you are saying. you claim to believe that what one can experience on entheogens can be experienced through meditation alone. this is your truth based on your opinion and personal experience, and you are imposing it onto me. this is preaching.

Altered states induced by drugs is not a transcended state of consciousness.

This is your opinion and your personal experience. You do not know everyone's experience with "drugs" and how they alter human consciousness. You are imposing your truth onto me, this is what I mean by preaching.

hi FP, and welcome. Can you please explain further what you mean by "breaking through"? Different entheogens evoke different experiences, as do their varied combinations (in addition to combining with nootropics and other neuroactive substances). Ego dissolution can be a tricky matter because we invariably identify with something in our consciousness. Dissolve the ego, and we become what's left, which is pure non-self-reflective consciousness, but does this constitute "breaking through"? Is it the recognition and direct experience of a far greater consciousness than our own typical consciousness? The realization that our consciousness is just the tip of an iceberg? My own transcendent experiences have shown me firsthand the potential of consciousness (at least part of the potential), and have fundamentally changed me as a result. They provide me with a different type of motivation for my life's work, a motivation which I doubt few if any can fully appreciate. I've found your posts interesting and refreshing, and so I hope you will take the time to further clarify your thoughts on the nature of breaking through and other related issues of importance.

I will only add this: that entheogens are a clumsy way to expand consciousness, but they are the best way we have currently, if used properly and with due caution. Meditation does not reproduce some of the transcendent states of consciousness evoked by entheogens. This statement is from my own experience, and from reading of other's experiences in meditative states, which differ fundamentally from entheogen-induced transcendent states of consciousness. Of course many entheogen experiences are duds, but when used properly and in combination with the right nootropics and other neuroactive substances, can yield states of consciousness that are beyond anything that can be conceived or imagined. I am not recommending entheogens, and in fact would advise most people to stay away from them because they are dangerous when used improperly and without the proper mindset.

Hello lucid dream, I will use a quote to help with my explanation -

The lowest dimension (1D) is the densest dimension, and the highest (9D) is the least dense; the lower dimensions have less space, the higher ones more. Density is governed by gravity, which coaxes light or photons into forms. Feel how intense and dense iron core crystal (1D) in the center of the Earth must be.
According to science, the center of Earth is a huge iron core crystal, and iron crystals are twice as dense as other mineral crystals. The second dimension (2D) is the area between the iron core crystal adn the crust; for example, the mantle. The second dimension is much dense than 3D, Earth's surface. We are solid in 3D, whereas 4D the collective realm of thoughtsand feelings emanating from all living things is not solid. We all can feel 4D and participate in i, such as sharing beliefs about history and religion.
As we move to higher dimensions - such as being in the heart (5D) or existing in sacred geometry(6D) - we experience each dimension going up the vertical axis as less dense, more spacious, more complex, and more difficult to explain in words. To move into the higher dimensions, we humans must expand ourselves, and to move into the lower dimensions, we must contract ourselves... The sixth dimension is the realm of geometric forms that replicates in 3D It is the home of the Ka - the human spirit body - which makes it possible for us to read the vibratory ranges that defines our bodies, emotions, thoughts, and souls. The seventh dimension (7D) is a realm of cosmic sound that generates the 6D geometric forms through vibratory resonance. The eight dimension is the realm of Divine Mind - Light - that manifests through the visible light spectrum in 3D. The frequencies of 8D are aactually much faster than sound waves in 7D in the galactic photon bands, which is why mystics report being "blinded by the light." The eight dimension is the organizational field of Light, where the energetic spin dynamics of sacred geometry originate; these dynamics then step down by octaves into 7D sound, before configuring as geometric light forms in 6D. the all-encompassing energetic realm of 8D is the reason we fell the love of God/Goddess/All That Is as a constant energy source in our lives.

What I mean by "breaking through", is breaking through attachment to 3rd and 4th dimensional confines and moving into higher dimensional states of being.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnN0ejyebv0

Because you don't agree with it or can't grasp it does not make it my belief. The reality existed long before I gave it any thought. Expressing Truth does not make a preacher, maybe a purveyor of Truth.


I know that drugs alter the awareness artificially and do not create a transcended state of consciousness. They create a temporary experience which most likely cannot be repeated. Anyone who takes drugs and says they have the same experience is not speaking the truth.
Random shots of psychedelic experience is not a clear expression of consciousness nor are they consistent with the stability created in awareness when someone steps into higher states of consciousness, by naturally rising beyond beliefs and attachment to sensationalism.

FP: these 9 dimensions serve an explanatory function for your experiences? Honestly, I don't share these views, not because I don't accept extra dimensions or because I seek to invalidate your thoughts (which I'm not), but because I do not believe we have yet devised the right language and tools for probing expanded mindsets and states of consciousness (or conscious awareness, if you prefer). It seems we are currently limited to describing consensus reality, and that reality is described in 3 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension. If I were to attribute dimensionality to consciousness, I would be inclined based on my experiences to speculate that it's infinite dimensional. The nature of consciousness is unbounded, is infinite. To set a finite number of dimensions to it is to limit it's nature, which I believe is unlimited. These are just my thoughts and speculations on the matter. I have nothing to back up these claims save my own experiences and mindsets, and from what I've read from others.

That is your truth and your truth only. It is not my truth. We as individuals hold our own truth, based on our own personal experience. Imposing your truth onto others is preaching. Claiming that your truth is universal truth is illusion. The confined mind cannot know universal truth.




Are drugs artificial? How is a mushroom artificial? It grows on this earth, it is perfectly natural. It works synergistically in the brain, and that is natural as well. I don't see what is so artificial.

That is your truth based on your personal experience and belief construct.

You have not been able to transcend ego via entheogens because you are too attached, and what the entheogens created was a reflection of your ego-mind. This reflection made you belief that entheogens are artificial and illusion. This belief is based on your personal experience. If you "broke through", you would not be telling me that entheogens cannot be a catalyst towards attaining a temporary transcendental state of consciousness.




This tells me that you have not broken through via entheogens. A psychedelic experience does not have to be limited to "an expression of consciousness". For me it is a realization and becoming of consciousness.

Sensationalism is of the 3rd and 4th dimensional consciousness - physical, emotional and mental. What I am speaking of is the higher more unified dimensions, specifically the 5th and 6th. Entheogens have allowed me to transcend attachment to 3rd and 4th dimensions, how can you tell me they haven't. Please tell me how you know so much about my personal experience.

Drugs, particularly entheogens, are the body of Christ and the main vehicle for the Holy Spirit. The Pope is against drugs, and thus is the antichrist.

http://egodeath.com/Entheogens.htm#_Toc64388184

FP, where is your quote over the 9 dimensions from? I googled around unsuccessfully, only coming on Leary's 8 Circuit Model of Consciousness, which is a completely different model.

As we move to higher dimensions - such as being in the heart (5D) or existing in sacred geometry(6D) - we experience each dimension going up the vertical axis as less dense, more spacious, more complex, and more difficult to explain in words.

For those who have experienced 5d and 6d consciousness, using this language does work because we have experienced it and it is familiar. We have devised the right language, but only for those who have experienced or wish to understand more through experience. For those who have not experienced, this language simply will not work. For somebody who has not experienced 6d consciousness, thinking about it is just pointless and useless. It must be experienced. When it is experienced it is known, not through the ego-self but rather through connection with higher self. And this knowledge can be cultivated into normal everyday existence through meditation.

The nature of consciousness is unbounded, is infinite. To set a finite number of dimensions to it is to limit it's nature, which I believe is unlimited.

What is explained in that quote is the dimensions of densities. There is not an infinite amount of densities.

The lowest dimension (1D) is the densest dimension, and the highest (9D) is the least dense; the lower dimensions have less space, the higher ones more. Density is governed by gravity, which coaxes light or photons into forms. Feel how intense and dense iron core crystal (1D) in the center of the Earth must be.

It is hard to find this kind of information on Google. A friend who is a lightworker gave me this information.

Feel how intense and dense iron core crystal (1D) in the center of the Earth must be.

First there is water, then it looks for the mother, which is silica

And it always is in geothermical active volcanoes where there is pressure and a lot of heat

This creates in forms a quartz crystal in six sides

It grows right handed and left handed according to the largest face

It has positive and negative qualities on each of its faces

So thats why we can help our planet

Gentlemen, is it possible to avoid non-scientific ruminations in this topic?
I understand that in the section of the Magic Mushrooms one can express everything, especially after experiments with Mashrooms, but at the same time is it possible to preserve elements of the scientific argumentations and commons sense?

I understand that when Joesus introduces his ideas (preaching) in Harry Joesus mode (Mr. Know Everything about God, Mr. Holy Boy) intermingled with very specific vocabulary that certainly leads to some mental degradation of all those who read his mnemonic texts, it is difficult not to go astray and keep clarity of mind.

To: forgottenpresence,

Very depressing avatar btw. You like Bones & Sculls junior division #322?

You bring up some very in-depth points, and I congratulate you on your attack.

That'd be a truth and you have confined yourself to what you know.



No amount of supposition regarding the mixing of earthly chemicals can do a better job than the body can do in its natural state of awareness when the mind is not limited and trying to create a state of mind.


According to your own definitions, you are now preaching.
The mind does not need a suppository to shrink the ego. It can be done naturally without the illusions created by drugs of any kind.


Temporary altered states are like taking a picture out the window of a fast moving train and then holding the picture out to the world saying I know what this image represents.
You are delusional.


For you it means something and you cling to it as an experience of consciousness. But it still doesn't mean anything.


How could I explain something to you, that which you can't comprehend without the use of drugs?
You don't believe anyone can be clearer than you so you couldn't possibly accept anything other than what fits within your own beliefs, so what would be the point? Anything I could possibly say would be to you, preaching.

Your glass is full, and you are not at this stage ready to empty it.



That'd be why there is such a lack of scripture written about conscious Saints, Siddhas or Sat-Gurus on entheogens. Conspiracy theories...

FP: I know what your saying, but I can't agree on this model. I can understand that matter and consciousness are far apart, possibly dimensions apart, but the model seems a little esoteric.

Do you honestly believe that saints and such have been egoless when they've been visited by Angels and Demons in hallucinations? These visions couldn't be less egoless, less empty, and more important than all the meditation in history. If these effects are natural, then that is important! If these effects are caused by entheogens, then that is important too. To discard these issues is to hide from them, peek-a-boo...

To develop conscious awareness in a natural way, that being a way that is natural to the nervous system without chemical manipulation is what is hailed in the ancient writings since the beginning of history.
There are also manipulations such as the altering of precious metals and combining them with herbs in the Egyptian rituals, but the evidence points to the degradation of knowledge when such manipulations are attempted.

By the way Celestials are everywhere and are naturally a part of the universe which is why the saints were able to see them. It doesn't require any drug to get a glimpse

I do not make an attack, I am a peaceful being. I just make comments.

What is it like to Experience Expanded Consciousness?

In the following, I describe some of the dimensions along which consciousness may be transformed and expanded. These effects will not necessarily be experienced simultaneously, and are to some extent dependent on the individual. The following list is not meant to be exhaustive by any means, but rather highlights a few of the many interesting effects experienced during states of expanded consciousness.

Time Dilation

We've all experienced time dilation to some extent during 'normal' states of consciousness. In general, time dilation occurs when thought processes speed up while memory is left intact (if memory is not intact, you sense something happened but you won't know what or how much subjective time has passed). It's interesting that time dilation occurs along a spectrum. Normally, we may feel like an hour of subjective time has passed after only five minutes of objective time. However, there does not seem to be a limit concerning how much we can potentially dilate subjective time, and some mind enhancing/altering drugs have the property of taking time dilation to the extreme. What seems like entire lifetimes can be experienced in a few minutes.

Vastness

Imagine the sense of 'vastness' you experience when you gaze into the clear night sky. Now imagine that sense of vastness magnified a million-fold or more and you may begin to appreciate the type of expansion of perceptual spaces that occurs during this experience so that they become extremely vast, beyond anything 'normally' conceivable.
Body Expansion

The experience of one's 'body consciousness' extending outwards, usually far beyond one's immediate body. This particular mode of consciousness falls under the category of 'Cosmic Consciousness'. Normally, we have a 'body-consciousness', meaning we're conscious of our arms and legs, as our own and not somebody elses. 'Body Expansion' occurs when your 'body consciousness' extends beyond, usually far beyond, your immediate physical body. It's like your new body is your whole environment and that your 'old' body is simply a nexus or nodal point thru which your will exerts itself. Even during 'normal' consciousness, one can willfully enter into the proper mind-set for 'Body Expansion', though this may not work for everyone.
Ego-Death and the Experience of the 'Self'

The experience of the death of ones ego or 'self' can be frightening for some. I've experienced ego-death and near-death experiences many times (too many to count). Following ego-death, or the destruction of the individuals 'self', what remains is intense, non-reflective (or non-self-conscious) consciousness, the radiant 'Self' (presumably, this is the same 'Self' as revealed in ancient Eastern religious texts such as the Bhagavad-Gita and the Upanashads, the same as experienced during states of 'Cosmic Consciousness', and the same as experienced by religious mystics). This is why such experiences are invariably mystical and religious. Through the death of ones 'self' and unveiling of the 'Self', one soon learns to identify oneself completely with the 'Self' thereafter, even if the ego subsequently re-crystallizes (it re-crystallizes, but remains 'transparent' in the sense of being able to see through it).

Presence

This involves vivid consciousness of a strong, ubiquitous 'presence'.

Higher-Dimensional Spatial Thought

Normally, we construct space and it's limited to 3 spatial dimensions. However, this limitation can be transcended, and grants one, among other things, the ability to discern patterns and connections in perceptual and conceptual thought not visible during 'normal' consciousness.

Ecstasy

This involves the experience of ecstasy and rapture far, far beyond what we're capable of experiencing normally. This experience has absolutely nothing to do with the 'ecstasy' experienced using the drug that goes by the same name, but rather involves an intensity and depth that far exceeds those produced by typical 'recreational' drugs.

Multi-Modal Integration

This experience involves integration across multiple modalities, such as visual, auditory, and proprioceptive, to yield new modalities that are greater than the sum of their parts.

God-Mode

I've half-jokingly called God-Mode an expanded state of consciousness that 'simultaneously' involves many of the above effects, including time dilation, body expansion, vastness, ecstasy, consciousness of the 'Self', and presence. There are many degrees and many types of 'Cosmic Consciousness'. God-Mode is perhaps the highest and most profound type of Cosmic Consciousness I've yet experienced.

It means that I had an experience of deep realization and becoming. Now I can take those realizations and realize them without the use of drugs but with meditation - Re-integration. This is what you fail to understand. You are the one who is misunderstanding and telling me everything I already know.




Everything you say is perfectly clear to me. It is you who deny and assume the experiences of others.

You don't have to agree with this model, it is an example of the higher more spacial realms of consciousness and experience. Acceptance of what it is and what it possibly could be would be the more receptive approach. Denial is just another limitation.

To doubt or to believe are two
equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the
necessity of reflection

Yes, you sure are

There is no need for you to project your feelings of depression and sadness onto me. Where is the peace in that?

I was thinking along the same lines!
You don't have to agree with the Tooth Fairy, it is an example of the higher more spacial realms of consciousness and experience. Acceptance of what it is and what it possibly could be would be the more receptive approach. Denial is just another limitation.

OMG, we must share a psychic connection, forgotmysense! Um, I mean, forgottenpresence.

To all those stoopid deniers of the Tooth Fairy, take that!

Shame the Tooth Fairy isn't a symbolic representation of consciousness expansion

Awakening and the Power of Siddhis Through Herbs

I change my mind, I think you are a very disrespectful and hateful person, I feel shame for you and hope for your awakening.

I am this, I am that,

I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing.

Socrates



A system of morality which is based on relative emotional values is a mere illusion, a thoroughly vulgar conception which has nothing sound in it and nothing true.
Socrates

All men's souls are immortal, but the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine.
Socrates

An honest man is always a child.
Socrates

As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
Socrates

As to marriage or celibacy, let a man take which course he will, he will be sure to repent.
Socrates

Be as you wish to seem.
Socrates

Be slow to fall into friendship; but when thou art in, continue firm and constant.
Socrates

Beauty is a short-lived tyranny.
Socrates

Beauty is the bait which with delight allures man to enlarge his kind.
Socrates

Beware the barrenness of a busy life.
Socrates

By all means marry. If you get a good wife, you'll be happy. If you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher and that is a good thing for any man.
Socrates

By all means, marry. If you get a good wife, you'll become happy; if you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher.
Socrates

Death may be the greatest of all human blessings.
Socrates

Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for.
Socrates

False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil.
Socrates

From the deepest desires often come the deadliest hate.
Socrates

He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy.
Socrates

He is richest who is content with the least, for content is the wealth of nature.
Socrates

The difference between you and I, is that I can admit my delusions. That is self-realization.

Very interesting. I just made a small remark about the depressing character of your avatar. I wonder at your aggressive counter reaction indeed.

Besides I think a person quoting Socrates should be much more polite.

My non-polite comments related with Joesus writings were aimed at saving this wonderful topic about wonderful mushrooms which he and you overcrowded with words absolutely having NO connection with the subject. It is another question why you both do that ... There are posts where, when the clouds of the holy nimbus recede, it becomes possible to discuss something, but generally Joesus Olympus is in holy fog. Now I understand that he is not alone.