INTRODUCING PNEUMATHERAPY?
As I said in the thread on 'hypnosis': Like many words, 'hypnosis', now, has too much baggage--too much of the idea of hocus pocus and manipulation about it. Furthermore, it doesn't even come close to describing the whole trance-like phenomenon it was intended to describe when it was first coined by Dr. James Braid, in 1843, to replace 'mesmerism' and "yogism'.

Check out http://www.fife.50megs.com/james-braid.htm and, interestingly, you will out find that even Braid realized his error. For awhile, it was named Braidism. Then he tried to introduce another word 'monoideism'--the ability to keep ones mind on one idea, or single-mindedness.

GNOSIS, LEADING TO WISDOM, ARISES IN THE HUMAN SPIRIT, OR PNEUMA
'Gnosis'. My World Book Dictionary defines it as 1. knowledge. 2. a special knowledge of spiritual things, hnece its connection with spiritual things. It is from New Latin and Greek gnosis. It also carries the idea of investigating all things to gain knowledge without being dependent on blind faith, or revelation.

Although a helpful guide, or teacher, is not necessarily prohibited from being involved, I offer the state of 'gnosis' as meaning a self-induced--state of conscious awareness in which we can at least begin to investigate and get to know what it means to be a fully functioning--physically, mentally and spiritually--human being. In our search for socially useful knowledge and for some of the answers to the mysteries of life I see great value in having people involved, who are not only great scientists--Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Planck, Whitehead, Jung, James, Farraday, Chardin and the like--but, also, people of great faith, hope and love.

BTW, people of great faith, hope and love do not necessarily need to be heavily involved with organized religion--certainly not the obscurant kind. The obscurant kind of religion is what Lenin had in mind when he described it as "the opiate" of the people. Freud, in his book, The Future of an Illusion" described religion as "the universal neurosis". The bishops of religions who call of their their followers to "pray, pay and obey", and to believe in the one, only, universal, true and revealed faith, without question, are hypnotists of the worst kind.

Following the Council of Nicea, called by the autocratic emperor, Constantine, in 325 CE, obscurant bishops were the ones who called for the brutal suppression of the first gnostics. And keep in mind that this period of suppression was followed by that awful time known as the Dark Ages. In my opinion, the supression of gnosticism, by the "one true church", aided an abetted by an autocrat and pagan emperor, held back what we now call scinetific discoveries. Ironically, it also contributed to the fall of Rome and hastened the coming of the Dark Ages.

2. A special knowlege of spiritual things.

Hypnosis isnt really spiritual, you could however hypnotise someone to have a spiritual experience LOL.

I should have mentioned--and this is what convinced even Braid, the first to use the term, it was not a good one--'hypnosis' is a master telling you to fall asleep...deep asleep. All modern writers, serious about hypnosis, use a lot of words telling readers about what hypnosis is not.

We don't have this problem with 'gnosis', which is simply all about us waking up and taking personal responsibility for who we are and who we want to be, in the now. In John 8:32 Jesus' uses the famous words, "...you will know the truth and the truth will set you free."

There is a mountain of material on gnosis and gnosticism on the web.

http://www.gnosis.org/
http://www.webcom.com/~gnosis/library.html
http://www.gnosis.org/gnosticview.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosis

Seems to me that adding a "spiritual" component to the business of communicating with unconscious processes adds even more baggage to this communcative methodology (hypnosis).

That this elelment of "spirit" may or may not exist is irrelevent to getting satisfactory results through some or other "hypnotic" process.

As to such a slight name change: I have to wonder who would benefit as a result.

While I appreciate Lindsay's desire for efficiencies-in-descriptions, I also wonder if the distinctions would be lost on most.

Sooner, rather than later, someone's going to respond with: "Aren't we really talkin' here about 'hypnosis'"?

Well it didn't take long pave .. about 14 minutes as per my count


PS .. bonjour monsieur pave .. I wonder when A-J will show up.

Hi mike!

I am enjoying these threads and the participants very much.

As to AJ showing up: sooner is better than later!

mm in a way the word hypnosis has been replaced, with Clinical Hypnosis; using hypnosis for medical purposes.

Yes pave this seems to be an interesting site.

As to A-J , now that TWB is essentially out of business, I have no way of reaching him.

Pardon the double entry!

Okay, in order to clarify what we truly mean, we need to dialogue about 'hypnosis' 'spiritual' and related subjects.

Check out http://messagenet.com/myths/bios/hypnos.html#iliad
Hypnos
* Sleep - the Twin Brother of Death

Hypnos enters the sleep of mortals and, at the bidding of the Olympians, gives them dreams of foolishness or inspiration, depending on the individual and their divine protectors or enemies.

Hypnos, the god, is mentioned in the Iliad.

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Pave, I take your following comments are comments, not just objections:

Then you ask:

To which I would respond: "Thanks! for at least responding with an intelligent question, even if it is slightly rhetorical.

Now, may I ask you the following questions:
1) What do you think I mean by 'hypnosis' and 'gnosis'?
2) What is your definition of 'hypnosis'? Gnosis?
3) What comes to your mind when you hear words like 'gnosis' and the 'gnostics'?
4) Spirituality. What do you think of when you hear the term 'spiritual'? How does it differ from being 'mental' or 'material'?
5) Is it possible for human beings to be mental and physical beings, without being spiritual beings?
6) Is it possible for animal beings to be spiritual beings?

And there is more, much more.

I think the reason for the objection to the spiritual aspect is because hypnosis is already wrongly associated in a number of pseudo fields such as, Astral Projection, Remote Viewing, Past Life Regression, Psychic Enchancement, Visiting Angel "Guides", Connecting with the dead, Seeing the future and many more. When you try to have hypnosis taken seriously, especially for its wonderful medical applications, the last thing you want is for it to be associated with spirituality, because no one takes it seriously.

I have had discussions on these and other matters with Lindsay in a different environment, and I believe he knows me to be one who does not stir up controversy for effect.

"Hypnosis" - the way I practice it - is about communicating with another in order to achieve a well-formed outcome.

As such, I incorporate these communications-skills into my work. These are the skills as demonstrated by Milton and as taught by the NLP community.

NLP interventions and the structure of hypnosis are seperate bodies of knowledge. A useful explanation of the differences may be that NLP can be represented by the rubber that hits the road whereas Hypnosis is the grease that keeps it all running smoothly.

My participation on the NLP and Hypnosis threads is in order to offer simplification and clarification.

However, since Lindsay started this particular thread, I will respond to his comments.

For me, "gnosis" is a new term. "Agnostic", though, I understand as a description of one who chooses to represent themselves and their spirituality as part of a whole - the Universe, so to speak.

For me, "spiritual" implies another element of experience that is usually well out of conscious awareness, but that may still be tapped by some means or other. I appreciate that, for some, this contention is a non-starter. Perhaps the concepts of consciousness and an unconscious-mind are more than plenty.

For me, whether a person is embodied with spiritual elements may be less important in real-time than those elements of conciousness (including an unconscious mind). This, as the important work of development is still being carried out with the materials we have at hand. Those being: our conscious and unconscious resources.

As to the subject of the thread: I would be delighted were we to drop the labels entirely and deal with, instead, Effective Communications.

When I teach broadcasters to be more effective communicators through an electronic medium, I use a lot of jargon and relative terms. "Hypnosis", however, ain't one of 'em. It scares the newbies!

Yet, I am teaching MILTON-Model distinctions and violations..... right out of the books. Books, btw, written by the NLP-gang!

What im talking about isnt what Gnosis means to one person, or to well informed individuals but to what the average joe will think. People who already know how hypnosis works without the BS arent the ones with the baggage, the public is, what im talking about is how does the average person look at something which means spirituality? Most associate it with things like heaven, angels, ascention ect. How will they take this new word for hypnosis?

Max, what you say is so true. However, what, otherwise, can one do?

BTW, Max, because I value your comments, if I may, I insist that you comment, further, on this, okay? What do you, really, mean by, "be associated with spirituality" and that no one takes it seriously? I take spirituality, seriously. Don't you?

Pave, how about you? Do you take spirituality, seriously? Or, not?

How do you define "spirit"?

Lindsay, if it were not for Milton Ericksons work, many people would of been needlessly drugged. The people who do not take it seriously are doctors, the same people who can help to make it benifit the most people. This is the same problem acupuncture is going through, too much talk about Qi and Chi, doctors dont take them seriously when they sound spiritual.

Max, tell us more about what you know about Dr. Milton Erickson. Did he say anything about the use of drugs to control mental patients?

As Lindsay already knows, I am satisfied that there is a "spiritual" component to a human. One which I can't quantify or qualify. It's a personal thing, y' know?

However, as a practitioner of NLP/Hypnosis, I am compelled to meet my client at their own model-of-the-world.

This means: if they believe they have a spiritual element, I am compelled to acknowledge and integrate that into the work we do together, particularly when working at the level of some beliefs and values.

If they don't - I don't. Besides, to do otherwise is cult-work..... and there are enough of them! Just look in the phone-book under: Religions.

Meanwhile, during my studies, I was required to learn Milton's goodies and to replicate them. This exercise was, as much, about learning the patterns-of-language - and the internally-generated, sensory experiences these patterns developed in a client - that Milton employed, as it was about learning the specific metaphors he used with his clients..... of which there are hundreds. Great ones, too!

Further, I note maximus' distinction of "clinical hypnosis". Although, perhaps, a more-useful term in attempting to get across the validity of the process to the public, it may also have some embedded limitations.

Since, to my mind, "hypnosis" is more about excellence-in-communicating rather than the inductions of some kind of goofy trance-states, the areas in which this kind of efficient and influential communications can be applied are limitless.

(I have done full-day seminars on how to use these models in broadcast and broadcast advertising, but that may be fodder for another cannon.... elsewhere and at another time.)

He replaced the use of many drugs with hypnosis, many patients who were almost getting overdosed on morphine to control the pain have had the pain be greatly relieved through hypnosis to a degree that is greater than various drugs, he not only increased the amount of pain being relieved but saved patients from taking high doses of dangerous drugs.

IMO, MHE practiced a kind of "faith" healing. I am also comfortable with 'pneumatherpy'--healing originating in the human spirit--and KNOWsis (gnosis)--healing originating in knowledge of what is going on in oneself.

Just today, using the phone as a medium, I spent some time with a new person who phoned me for counsel. She was referred to me by a friend of hers, who knows me.

Here she is now, at 70, still burdened with guilt, simply because she can't forgive her parents, long since gone. Her father abused her, sexually. He made her into a victim of a pedophilia ring made of highly qualified professionals. In addition, her mother was spiritually abusive to her.

She said: "I have been told that I need to love and forgive my parents. But I can't...What they did to me was...horrible!!!"

OVER THE PHONE, I DESCRIBED TO HER THE RED, YELLOW AND BLUE technique for going into the alpha state and ready to receive suggestons.
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For the next while, I spent some time explaining to her that love and forgiveness do not, necessarily, include sentimentality involving the raw emotions.

I told her: "You do not have to like your parents, sentimentally. Certainly, you are not expected to accept that what they did to you is okay. What you need to accept is this: Perhaps, you paarents were as *&^%$ screwed up then as you are now. They did what they did to you because someone had done it to them, before. Now, it is up to you to break the cycle."

To make a long story, short, she said: "This experience of going back and seeing things in a new way has lifted such a burden of guilt off my shoulders."

In my opinion, she came to KNOWsis.

It's always good to be able to help people.

Rick, keep in mind that the Family Life Foundation is made up, entirely, of volunteers. There is no direct fee for counseling. Because we are a registered charity, people who contribute to the FLF will get a receipt for a tax credit. BTW, we encourage bartering.

One of the key elements about NLP/Hypnosis that melted my brain many years ago was the capacity people have for rewriting their own histories!

Now, please appreciate that this is a metaphor that represents the capacity for people to reconsider their histories in new and more powerfully resourceful ways.

The result - when done well and with specificity - is that a person's responses to their partially perceived/partially accurate memories changes! They become more resurceful in present and future times!

The unresourceful and not-particularly-useful responses that people have to parts of their histories cannot be denied.... repressed, maybe. But, that's hardly an ideal position.

That NLP - through Milton, Satir, Perls and others - has come up with applicable strategies to accomplish these outcomes is extraordinary.

People may paraphrase that "I'd love to change my mind about this or that issue - if only I knew how!"

But, intellect, awareness, philosophy and good intentions do not a successful strategy make.

In truth, those who say the past is the past are incorrect. The past is but memories-memories can be altered, the past can be changed.

Good point, Max. I do not remember if I made it up, or if I read the following, somewhere. I do remember using it in sermons I gave involoving the topic of time: Time is a dimension. Like every dimension, time does not pass; we pass through it.

I suppose time, like space, is necessary so that everything does not all happen at once and at one point.

If we're going to retire a word, why on earth would we replace it with something beginning with a silent "g"? How 'bout dropping the "g" or better yet, starting from scratch with a whole new word?

That's a common misperception, and the basis for the Calvinist error. If time were a dimension, then Calvin would be right, the past and future would exist immutably. Predestination would be a correct dogma and free will would not exist.

In reality, time is not a physical dimension. The past and future do not exist. There is only now. We have memories and records of the past, archeological evidence and history texts. The future will be what we make it. It is not pre-ordained.

The mathematics of Einstein's theory of relativity treat time as if it were a dimension, similar to the three spatial dimensions, but that is only a mathematical model. In any model of physics, the variable "t" (time) can be replaced with an equivalent expression using energy. For example, kinetic energy is expressed as E = mv^2, and velocity is expressed v = d/t. Solve those two forumlas for t and substitute that expression for t wherever it occurs in physics. Time then disappears from the equations. Nobody does this, of course, because the resulting formulas are so cumbersome as to be unusable. However, it shows that time is a computational convenience, not a physical dimension.

For more information on the correctness of my view see A World Without Time: The Forgotten Legacy of Godel and Einstein.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/046509293...glance&n=283155

For practical (useful) purposes, "Time" is a subjective experience.

As such, when a person's "time" includes known and unknown memories, known and unknown learnings and conclusions, the individual will be responding to these elements.... as an individual and.... subjectively.

When current behaviours and emotional responses are deemed to be no-longer-useful, it's good to know that these behaviours and responses can be adjusted.

I have to agree Rick, time in itself is simply a human way of describing a change in events, nothing more.

Meanwhile, for all of us, "time" is construed in linear terms. We have memories that are linear, histories that are linear, texts that are linear, physical aging that confirms that "time" is passing and, most importantly - each other to confirm the shared reality.

So, a question remains nevertheless: Do our "minds" always work as-if "time" were linear.

The answer is: Sometimes, but not always.

Our minds, it can be demonstrated, have the capacity to jump around all over the place....past, present, future and to those experiences where "time" is compressed, speeded up or held to a standstill. Our minds can also eliminate whole sections of "time".

Since this is the general, subjective case, it would seem not unreasonable that our minds can also be taught to manipulate our responses to the already-mentioned elements.

Effective Communications - either self-induced or assisted, to my mind, is the next great frontier that everyday folk like ourselves can be participants... if not pioneers.

NLP and Hypnosis are two of the fields where competent practitioners are already making extraordinary inroads.

And on a personal note (and at the risk of soiling the discussion) - it sure beats the hell out of the sub-standard and unsatisfactory sets of panacea that Organized Religions have offered over the centuries.

Okay, in the spirit of dialogue, I wouldn't object to using "knowsis". I actually used it with a client today, who got the idea and liked it, very much. However, I actually prefer "pneumatherapy", which I think of as working with psychotherapy and somatherapy.

BTW, I understand that 'diagnosis'--meaning through inquiry, investigation--contains 'gnosis'. So does 'prognosis'--meaning forecast of a probable course of a disease, or an estimate of what will probably happen. Both concepts include knowledge of something.

And, again in the spirit of dialogue, I do not disagree. I do not think of time as a fixed thing, like the walls of a house. And I am certainly not a Calvinist. I think of myself always on the "cutting edge of time". Furthermore, I like to think of myself as being relatively free to choose in which direction I would like to do the cutting, and where.

About motion. Was it Aristotle who said, "Motion is an infinite series of stops".

I think, Lindsay, we're stuck with the term "Hypnosis" as the expenditures of effort to coin another term will only lead to confusion and argument anyway.

As far as any of my clients are concerned, I don't do hypnosis anyway - unless they want me to because they already think there's some validity to it. If not, we're doing.... something else.

The key is still in the communicative skills of the practitioner.

Meanwhile, as practitioners, we are still messing with subjective experience and "time" is just one element of that.

Further, we are all operating on an "as-if" basis anyway and that's about as powerful a set-up for other, more useful metaphors as they come.

I have learned you enjoy being a stickler for terms and have coined a few yourself. The trick, I think, is in getting others to buy in - a task in itself.

Let's face it, Pave, because you want your clients to be in the KNOW, you favour KNOWSIS... which, IMO, arises out of the pneuma (the spirit, or self), which is why I favour pneumatherapy--treating to have a healthy spirit.

Actually, Lindsay, my clients are so overwhelmed by information and tasks (overloading the conscious) that they are hardly aware of what day it is.

However, when they test for changes..... well that's another story.

Practically, I work so quickly and address so many issues in our time together (usually 5-6 hours each day for 2 days running) that, when we're through, my clients usually only want to know the way to the exit!

We're both pretty much bagged.

Be assured, however, that, in that time, they are in and out of so many different kinds of trance-states that we'd need a scorecard to keep track.

Fortunately, the Home Team always wins.

I am sure that all of us could benefit from learning how they do win. Any clues? Does it have anything to do with mastering the NLP technique?

To be sure, Lindsay, as with any set of techniques or rendered services, the results are determined by the skill of the practitioner.

NLP - delivered by an incompetent clod - is just another set of initials.

Ah yes, the quality of the human pneuma (spirit or self) is always at work, isn't it? making a difference, one way or another, for better or for worse. It was this factor that encouraged me to revisit this thread and tweak it a little bit.

In the opinion of my pneuma, and in agreement with the opinion of Dr. James Braid, who first coined the word "hypnosis" in 1843, hypnosis--though some, out of habit, will still try to hang on to it--will now take what I feel is its rightful place as a part of the history of the healing arts--an important part no less, but still a part.

Interestingly, the Greek "therapeuo" means to treat a condition or a disease; it does not mean to cure or heal it. All real healing rest with a healthy spirit, thus the importance of pneumatherapy--treating the spirit.

I dunno, Lindsay. While "healing the spirit" is an honourable outcome, most folks are just happy to gain some behavioural control.

In consideration of Logical Levels, "behavioural change" is at the bottom rung while "healing the spirit" is the highest of the high and is so subjective as to be, virtually, unqualifiable and unquantifiable.

The question to a client is: "How will you know, specifically, that your spirit has been healed?" The chances are pretty good the response will be in a behavioural context. ("I won't do this. I will do that. I will feel different/better/not as bad etc.")

And behaviours can be adjusted without going anywhere near "spirit" - whatever that might be.

Now, if you're suggesting that the Source-Potential of being able to influence in these matters is a "spiritual" or "consequence-of-pneuma", then well, yes. Maybe. Could be. Don't know.

The point is: there is no necessity to accept the premise of Spirit/Pneuma before worthwhile work can be accomplished.

Pneumatherapy. I decided to have a look at the definitions of pneuma. Coming from a linguistic background and doing a simple appleid linguistics exercise it (πνευμα) seems to point to breathing/air/wind/spirit. So I am a bit confused by what you mean by "the opinion of my pneuma...."

Nonetheless the way that I perceive pneuma would probably be more in line with the the martial arts that I practise which is Chi/Qi/Ki.

Good for you, Culture. IMO, chi (Chinese), spirito (Latin), ruach (Hebrew), ruh (Arabic), pneuma (Greek) are all translations for what we call, spirit

You probably will be interested in knowing that, in the New Testament Greek, "pneuma" is used, exclusively, to refer to the human spirit. Add the adjective "holy" (hagio) and we have "pneumati hagio"--referring to the Holy Spirit of God. See John 1:33.

Then I disagree with replacing Hypnosis with Pneumatherapy, it has more presuppositions than Hypnosis.

Max, I trust we can argee to disagree, agreeably.

I agree with Braid. Ironically, he was the coiner of the word, hypnosis. He soon discovered that the trance phenomenon is more about the strengthening of our ability to focus and keep our mind on what we are doing. In the best sense of the concept, it is probably more like NLP, Neuro Linguistic Programming--the Dr. Milton Erickson kind of "hypnosis"--than the stage variety.

As my mentor, Canon Joseph Wittkofski,who was a biologist as well as a minister and "hypnotist", said as he thanked me for making my point about the nature of the trance: "I agree" he said, "that the trance phenomenon has more in common with helping people achieve a wide-awake spirituality than with anything else. It is about really waking up, not going to sleep. I like linking it with pneumatology."

He also agreed that because of stage hypnosis, the movies, the media and public perception, hypnosis did have a lot of hocus pocus baggage about it. Even some "stage hypnotists" call themselves "mentalists".

It was later that I coined "pneumatherapy".

I JUST CAME ACROSS THIS--a good definition of NLP:
http://www.hypnosisenergy.com/nlp_whatis.html
Now this sounds like "pneumatherapy" to me. Not the usual kind of hypnosis in which "subjects" are manipulated by a "master". I guess the author is using any word that will get public attention. BTW, I am not opposed to this, if it works.

To presume that pneumatherapy - as opposed to "hypnosis" - would be a better replacement term is to presume that people are willing to accept a "spiritual" quality to the methods/methodology of that which is already broadly accepted as "hypnosis".

That's just adding even more baggage to a field that is already rife with sets of Samsonite.

I do not agree with your definition/interpretation of pneuma, From the Greek the root meaning is a movement of air, as in breath. Think pneumatic tires. I think the word pneuma took on the meaning of "spirit" mainly because of Christianity.

Correct me if I am wrong. Pneuma (greek) is neuter as opposed to the hebrew ruach which is feminine. So if one should interpret pneuma as 'spirit' (neuter) it would be somewhat sexist to say the least.

I use pneumatherapy--others are free to use any word they see fit to use--as a step beyond "hypnosis" (sleep-like state), not in opposition to it. We in the West owe a debt of gratitude to the early pioneers of in this field sometimes refered to as the "New Thought movement": Franz Mesmer, The Count Del La Fontaine, Phineas T. Quimby, Milton Erickson, and others.
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A new name here, you will find many details about Quimby at:
http://svpvril.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=171
For an excellent survey of the ancient and modern history of those who have used the power of the human spirit to heal, check out:
http://www.breakthroughinstitute.com/history_of_hypnosis.htm
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BTW, today, I used what I call pneumatherapy--a kind of therapy where the client is asked to be an active participant in the healing team and process. I used it on a person who asked me to help him/her in dealing with a severe physical addiction to food (the presenting somatological, or physical, problem). In addition, during the process, it came out that the person was under a great deal of mental and emotional stress caused by guilt and fear brought on by bad past experiences (the psychological problem). It, also, came out that the person had, been an alcoholic and a member of a dysfunctional family.

TRANCE OR SLEEP-LIKE TRADITIONAL HYPNOSIS NOT NECESSARY
Though I see nothing wrong with suggesting relaxation, at no point did I ask the person to behave like a "subject", to look at a focal point--certainly not into my eyes--and go into "sleep, deep sleep..." which is what most people have in mind when they hear the word "hypnosis".

PNEUMATHERAPY INVOLVES USE OF THE EDUCATIVE PROCESS. IT SEEKS TO DEVELOP RAPPORT BETWEEN EQUALS, NOT THAT OF A MASTER OVER A SUBJECT, OR EVEN THAT OF A DOCTOR WITH PATIENT.

Like I have done many times before, I simply explained the nature and role of the three factors we all use--the physical, mental and spiritual (soma, psyche and pneuma)-- and which make up who we are as human beings. I spent two thirds of my time communicating and building a rapport with the person. During the rest of the time, I called the person's attention to the his/her pneumatological role--that of being spiritually involved and as one with the power to make choices.

Accepting our social responsibility as pneumatological, or spiritual beings, is, in my opinion, foundational to our spiritual, mental and physical well-being. This helps us focuss on, and stick with, the kind of choices which promote and maintain total health.

I suggested to the client: "You will use YOUR pneumatological power, which is now fully awakened in you. You will educate yourself, and help you heal what has gone wrong in your body, mind and your relationships. You will, carefully, look at how you are breathing and what you are eating. In addition, you will carefully look at what is going on in you mind, and emotions, and you will have the confidence to deal courageously with, not only what you are eating, but what is eating you".

BTW 2, Dr. James Braid--the same Dr. Braid who coined the word "hypnosis"--must have felt the "hypnosis" was a misnomer and carried the wrong message, otherwise why did he try to change the term to "monoideism"? I agree with Braid; his use of "hypnosis", from the Greek for sleep, is not the best workd for this phenomenon.

Just testing to see if I can post this here. Could not post it in the other thread on memory. Some kind of a bug?
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Piracetam seems to help with memory as does vinpocetine.
[/quote] I found the following interesting. Is it just a lot of hype?

http://www.ceri.com/noot.htm

Interestingly, it did work, here, but not other threads I tried. I wonder why.
Perhaps the pneumatological factor guided me back to this thread.

Flex, et al, you may be interested in looking into pneumatology--the science of the spirit.

And t his looks interesting:
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As you strongly suggested strongly, you are assuming that what you say has some meaning to the client. By superimposing a thought, be it positive or of some meaning (to you) onto the clients mind, the client might buy into what you have suggested and rearrange the thoughts but the basic programs of being are still there within the subconscious.
Just as hypnosis has no way of wiping out internal programs, offering new thoughts to pile onto the old ones does not change the foundation of belief and experience. One must lead one to their own experience of themselves that is greater than the old. By building a relationship with this greater self one naturally lets go of the lesser beliefs in separation and toad like sense of self worth.

The spirit of each individual doesn't need therapy because the spirit is immortal and without flaw. The relationship each one has with spirit is not only predetermined before inhabiting the body but it cannot be altered by the opinions of others nor can another see the perfection of spirit in another when their relationship continues to be based in duality and the belief that they can envision a better reality than what God has created.

IF the spiritual power was fully awakened you would not have to tell one that it is so. They would be fully aware of it.