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sushil_yadav
QUOTE(cerebral @ Jun 20, 2006, 08:33 PM) *

We need to start colonizing other planets anyway. If we confine ourselves to earth and its ecosystems, then we run the risk of catastrophe and extinction just like the dinosaurs. I do not believe it likely that we will destroy our ecosystems any time soon. Human science and technology progress has priority over all else, even if it means some ecosystems bear some burden. You can preach all you want about saving the ecosystems, but for me and others like me there are bigger fish to fry. You can call us cancerous. Yeah we are from one perspective. We are the universe unfolding. Nothing can stop that. All your pleas to halt progress will come to naught. Don't believe me? It's happening right now.


So we are going to move to another place in the Universe.
When are we going?
Where are we going?

So far man has been able to reach only the Moon. Outside the solar system planets are millions and billions of light years away. Forget about going to other planets - so far man has not even found another place where life is possible. One space shuttle exploded during take off. Another exploded while coming back. Transporting humanity to another planet is probably the most impossible of all impossible things.

On earth we had huge quantities of Air, Water, Fertile Land, Animals and Trees - things which create life - things which sustain life. After destroying all these precious things on earth man is dreaming of living on another planet.

Keep dreaming

sushil_yadav
Hey Hey
QUOTE(sushil_yadav @ Jun 20, 2006, 03:40 AM) *
[I am seeking help from volunteers in spreading this message far and wide]
If the above is the limit of your marketing skills, you are not going to go very far with your idea. Maybe you should join a company and get some experience. Hey, you might find you like it.

QUOTE(sushil_yadav @ Jun 20, 2006, 03:40 AM) *
Today people are making thousands of consumer goods - not because they are necessities - but because they cannot stop making them. People cannot stop doing work - After switching over to mental work they will keep on making thousands of unnecessary consumer goods. This is the reason why the switch-over from physical work to mental work is so destructive.
Do as I say but don't do as I do. How did you write and send your messages above? This reminds me of the pop stars flying in on airplanes and helicopters, to a concert with a message telling me to reduce my carbon emissions. Shove it!
Rick
QUOTE(sushil_yadav @ Jul 10, 2007, 09:08 PM) *
Then there are difficult emotions - which require ability and years of effort to develop - emotions associated with pain, compassion and peaceful states of mind are some examples. These emotions are associated with slow breathing and heart-rate. These emotions require freezing of thought - freezing of visuals and words - huge amounts of gaps between thinking - to evoke, intensify and sustain.

Very nice. I like this.
sushil_yadav
QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Jul 11, 2007, 04:57 AM) *


QUOTE(sushil_yadav @ Jun 20, 2006, 03:40 AM) *
Today people are making thousands of consumer goods - not because they are necessities - but because they cannot stop making them. People cannot stop doing work - After switching over to mental work they will keep on making thousands of unnecessary consumer goods. This is the reason why the switch-over from physical work to mental work is so destructive.
Do as I say but don't do as I do. How did you write and send your messages above? This reminds me of the pop stars flying in on airplanes and helicopters, to a concert with a message telling me to reduce my carbon emissions. Shove it!


I am not using the computer for fun.
I am not using the computer for business.
I am not using the computer to promote technology.

I am using it for a cause - for saving environment. If the environment were not getting destroyed I would not need the computer to spread the message.

Yes, I am using the computer - but I am using very few other things.
How many consumer goods are you using?
Would you like to compare your Ecological Footprint with my Ecological Footprint?
Let us find out who is a bigger burden on earth.

sushil_yadav
Hey Hey
Calculations based on the ecological footprint of individuals is only one way of determining the sustainability of a technological society. And many believe that it is a flawed methodology, based on a simplistic calculation:

"... the ecological footprint theory is disputed by some specialists who argue that applying the earth's carrying capacity to human populations is flawed. Humans, the critics argue, "can and do increase the carrying capacity of their environment to meet their needs", for example in the case of renewable energies. Moreover, they say, carrying capacity has limited relevance when resources can be traded to make up for their scarcity. Additional uncertainties include calculation methods to evaluate land space needs or the lack of distinction between land uses that are sustainable and those that are not ... http://www.euractiv.com/en/sustainability/.../article-131513"

Also, maybe you should focus your own attention on home ground - see below.

China's carbon footprint
China, now the world's biggest carbon dioxide emitter, will play crucial climate role
By Matt Crenson
ASSOCIATED PRESS

Sunday, July 08, 2007

NEW YORK — It's China's turn on the climate hot seat.

Last month, energy analysts announced that China's booming economy has propelled it past the United States as the world's largest emitter of carbon dioxide, the atmospheric pollutant that is primarily responsible for global warming. China emitted 8 percent more carbon dioxide than the United States in 2006, according to a report by the Netherlands Environmental Assessment Agency.

Eugene Hoshiko ASSOCIATED PRESS

During the next five years, China expects to complete at least one new coal-fired power plant a week. Coal releases more carbon dioxide than any other source of energy - and supplies two-thirds of China's power.

The milestone has reignited a perennial debate between developing and developed countries: Who should take responsibility for preventing catastrophic global warming?

Developing nations have insisted that rich Western economies take the lead in shifting to a low-carbon economy, since they are the ones who have pumped most of the greenhouse gases into the atmosphere to date. But there is little disputing that if China, India and other rapidly modernizing countries grow in the same unsustainable way the West has over the past 150 years, catastrophic global warming will result.

''Without the participation of the United States, China and India — the main emitters — we will not stop global warming,'' Japanese Environment Minister Masatoshi Wakabayashi said last month at a meeting in Singapore of the World Economic Forum on Asia.

Unfortunately, those three countries — along with Australia — traditionally have been the major holdouts against an international agreement to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

Australia and the United States refused to join the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which requires developed countries to reduce their carbon dioxide emissions to 5 percent below 1990 levels by 2012.

China and India agreed to sign the accord only because, as developing countries, they have no responsibility to limit their emissions.

Officials in China and India say that economic development must come first.

''It is a fact that more and not less development is the best way for developing countries to address themselves to the issues of preserving the environment,'' Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said recently.

But India and China aren't helping the environment when they build coal-fired power plants and shun mass transit for auto-centric transportation.

Coal releases more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than any other energy source, and it supplies two-thirds of China's power. Over the next five years, China expects to complete at least one new coal-fired power plant a week.

In India, where several automakers are competing to provide affordable cars to the country's enormous middle class, there were 300,000 cars registered last year in Delhi alone. The government acknowledges that it expects the country's carbon dioxide emissions to more than quintuple by 2031, which would put India about where the United States is now in terms of emissions.

Governments in developing countries are not completely blind to the importance of taking steps against global warming.

''As a developing country of responsibility, China attaches great importance to the issue of climate change,'' a report on the nation's climate change program has declared. The report laid out a plan to increase energy efficiency 20 percent over 2005 levels by 2010.

But that effort, even if it succeeds, will do little to slow the growth of China's carbon dioxide emissions.

China emits nearly three times as much carbon dioxide as it did in 1990. Its emissions will double again by 2030, according to projections by the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

As Chinese officials are quick to say, the country lags behind developed countries in per capita carbon dioxide emissions.

China pumps about 10,500 pounds of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere per person annually, compared with 42,500 pounds for the United States. And much of the growth in China's emissions results from the manufacture of goods for export.

Developed countries also have failed to take significant steps toward cutting their own carbon dioxide emissions. President Bush's recent proposal for international negotiations on carbon dioxide reductions was interpreted by environmentalists as a mostly empty gesture, an attempt to forestall any meaningful agreement on global warming by leading industrialized nations.

Democrats in Congress have largely abandoned hope of enacting major global warming legislation before the end of Bush's term. About the most they can hope for is an increase in fuel economy standards to 35 miles per gallon, thanks to legislation that passed the Senate in June and is pending in the House.

The European Union has been more aggressive than the United States in committing to carbon dioxide reductions, signing on to the Kyoto Protocol and committing this spring to a 20 percent emissions reduction by 2020.

But meeting that commitment has been difficult. The European Commission reported last month that its member nations had reduced carbon dioxide emissions just 2 percent since signing the Kyoto Protocol in 1997. At that rate, it is highly unlikely Europe will reach the 8 percent reduction the protocol requires by 2012.

That means that a decade after Kyoto, no major economic power has actually done anything significant to confront global warming.
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ps As an honest and uncompromised individual, I can state quite categorically, that I DO use my computer for fun (although not games), for business and to promote technology. These are the types of reasons why computers have been developed over the years and have become available for individuals such as yourself to use to promote your own dogmas.
Hey Hey
pps I forgot to mention the population explosion ...
sushil_yadav
Hey Hey,

So now you are worried about growth of Industrialization and Consumerism in India / China and its impact on Environment.

Who set the ball rolling?
Who started the whole process of Industrialization, Consumerism and Globalization?

It was not the East - It was the West.

You are also worried about large population in India and China.
How did the population in India and China increase to this level?

World population was less than 1 billion in the year 1800. Nature had its way of controlling population through disease and death caused by bacteria and virus. When man made medicines/ antibiotics he created disaster - population increased very rapidly.

Two things that have destroyed Environment are - Overpopulation and Overconsumerism. Science and Technology is responsible for both these problems.

In the absence of Science, Technology, Industrialization/ Industrial Revolution the two problems of overpopulation and overconsumerism would not exist.

Stop blaming the East - It is the West that is responsible for the present situation.

sushil_yadav

Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
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I would not say that all aspects of industrial society destroy the mind (or rather spirit) and environment. The purpose of technology is to make fulfilling our needs easier and more efficient, thus allowing more time to enjoy nature. Technology has gotten a little out of hand nowadays and aims not only to fill our needs but our wants and THAT is dangerous. An industrialized society has created a world of materialists.

For those who take the "love it or leave it" stance, I would say you are one of such materialists. I would gladly retreat to a simplified life, IF ALL OF THE DAMN FORESTS WEREN'T DESTROYED!!!
sushil_yadav
Industrial Society is destroying necessary things [Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land] for making unnecessary things [Consumer Goods].

When we make consumer goods we kill Animals/ Trees, Air/ Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. Industry kills Water. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted.

Industry/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.


"Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"

These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".



sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
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Finally someone who agrees with me smile.gif
atha
Industrial society is the product of the mind... But which layer/dimension of the mind ?
Flex
QUOTE(atha @ Sep 10, 2007, 12:40 PM) *

Industrial society is the product of the mind... But which layer/dimension of the mind ?


Technology to me seems to have come about as a result of our survival instincts. Technology in this sense to me is good. What technology has become has come about as a result of our greed.
atha
What do you think about nanotechnology, especially the self-replicating kinds of nanotechnology ?
sushil_yadav
Humans have spent more than 99% of their time on earth in non-industrial societies.

Non-industrial society destroys ecosystems for food, clothing and shelter.
Industrial society destroys ecosystems for food, clothing and shelter plus thousands of unnecessary consumer goods.

Industrial society destroys necessary things - animals, trees, air, water and land for making unnecessary things - consumer goods.

Non-industrial societies have sustained on earth for thousands of years.
Industrial society has destroyed all ecosystems within 200 - 250 years.


"Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"

These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".




Destroy consumerism......before it is too late.

Destroy Industrial Society......before it is too late.



sushil_yadav

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Advanced Technology is spiritually based and helps a planet the most of all, much more than even living non-industrialized. most good technology is suppressed in our world as of now.

Also there are people who exist today who are probably 10 times more intensely and insanely emotional than anyone else in history. I would not be surprised at all for this to be the case. so i dont get your comments about loss of emotion.

although, autism is greatly on the rise. sociability in our world is severely damaged and weirded out. but is it better to live in a barbarian tribe? The OP doesnt strike me as superior in Sociability and EQ. hes lookin' pretty eccentric and manic about now.
sushil_yadav
QUOTE(Tone @ Jun 08, 2008, 12:53 PM) *

Advanced Technology is spiritually based and helps a planet the most of all, much more than even living non-industrialized.


is it better to live in a barbarian tribe? The OP doesnt strike me as superior in Sociability and EQ. hes lookin' pretty eccentric and manic about now.



Want to know how barbaric, eccentric, insane and criminal Industrial Society is?


Every citizen of Industrial Society is using hundreds/ thousands of consumer goods.

Every consumer good is made by killing animals, trees, air, water and land - directly or indirectly. [ more killing of nature takes place when consumer goods are used and discarded]

The per capita killing of animals, trees, air, water and land in Industrial Society is hundreds of times/ thousands of times greater than that of pre-industrial society.


Every citizen of Industrial Society is a serial killer - serial killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.



Those who produce consumer goods are killers.
Those who sell consumer goods are killers.
Those who buy consumer goods are killers.




"Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"

These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".




Destroy consumerism.....before it is too late.

Destroy Industrial Society.....before it is too late.



sushil_yadav

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