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maximus242
Okay this is a bit diffrent kind of time travel but never the less this is rational and quite a excellent way to look at approaching time travel. Most of us here at brain meta already know that time is a human perception, rather time is non-existant, only a series of changing events and time is a tool to measure changes. Anyways now that we have that out of the way, instead of altering the fabric of our non existant time, why not alter our perception? In lab studies it has been shown that you can speed up or slow down your perception of time, thereby allowing you to virtually travel faster or slower. Of course you cannot go backwards except in your memories and the speed does have a limit (for now) but advances are being made. Just imagine you need to think over a difficult issue, if you slow down your perception of time you can think faster and solve the issue in less time. Likewise if your at a meaningless job you can speed up your perception of time and pull an eight hour shift in a few hours hehe. Anyways what do you guys think? Its not the ultimate in time travel but prehaps a stepping stone for the future, or the past? teehehe I wanna try this tongue.gif
Steppenwolf
We can already do that now, the only thing that's stopping is is what Colin Wilson calls the St. Neot margin. You may also call it being lazy, or when talking about myself: 'being me'.

What stops you from gaining sharper perception Maximus? Have you tried? Has anyone tried? What about the thousands of mystics and monks who are barely keeping up with their practice, but are nevertheless living a far richer life than you or I? My personal take is that there's so many areas in your psyche that you can work on, that the work never seems like being close to a finish. Maybe Maslow was right emphasising Being-values as apposed to achieving all of those impossible goals.
maximus242
tongue.gif working on it right now, im going to try the milton methods of changing time perception, doing a little research from some of his papers, I will probably expermint later on today.
maximus242
Okay after a bit of research this is what ive uncovered so far, time distortion has mind blowing effects to which I am most impressed. Further more it has various ways of approaching actual distortion, after 4 or so hours of reading miltons hypnosis and time distortion findings I am very enthusiastic about this. My inital tests did not prove as good as I had hoped, mainly because I am doing self hypnosis, it would be much easier if I had a subject. Now beyond that I am working on instilling a deeper trance and then using the metronome method to change my perception of time.
Hey Hey
remote viewing must have a time perspective - u r viewing somewhere else in an instant. if only I believed it. also, does speed reading count? more info absorbed in the same given time period. now i can do that. but i don't have a twin to do the testing part. damn .......
Rick
Start taking heroin and 10 years will go by in a flash. Or take acid and a day will seem like a week.
maximus242
lol
Guest
I wonder, guys, what youŽll make of it ( For madmen only !)

"General Principles of Temporal Displacement"

http://makemillions.bizland.com/tempor_displace.htm
Hey Hey
QUOTE(Guest @ Jun 08, 04:13 AM) *

I wonder, guys, what youŽll make of it ( For madmen only !)

"General Principles of Temporal Displacement"

http://makemillions.bizland.com/tempor_displace.htm

If their choice of colours is anything to go by, we have nothing to worry (not!). See:

http://www.makemillions.bizland.com/links.htm
Guest
When I was first diagnosed with depression and started taking antidepressants I experienced both contraction and expansion of perceived time lapses. It was typically of the order of a factor of two.

I must admit that I much prefer standard time (or the normal experience of the incidence of sequential events arising).
maximus242
QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Jun 07, 06:57 AM) *

remote viewing must have a time perspective - u r viewing somewhere else in an instant. if only I believed it. also, does speed reading count? more info absorbed in the same given time period. now i can do that. but i don't have a twin to do the testing part. damn .......


Yes speed reading does count, basically you process words at a much faster rate without perceiving things going any faster, there have been reports of 2000 wpm.
Guest
There are three concepts of time: chronological, biological and psychological.
Stephen Hawking thinks that we can be either fast or intelligent, but not both at the same time.
It answers the question whether speed reading counts -- it depends on what you value most: speed or true (quality) understanding.
Remote viewing has no time perspective -- it happens in an altered or heightened state of consciousness ( the fifth dimensional frequency ) where past, present and future are one.
Why would one care to travel into the past or into the future ?
IsnŽt the present sufficient and fulfilling enough ?
Culture
QUOTE(maximus242 @ Jun 05, 04:15 PM) *

Okay this is a bit diffrent kind of time travel but never the less this is rational and quite a excellent way to look at approaching time travel. Most of us here at brain meta already know that time is a human perception, rather time is non-existant, only a series of changing events and time is a tool to measure changes. Anyways now that we have that out of the way, instead of altering the fabric of our non existant time, why not alter our perception? In lab studies it has been shown that you can speed up or slow down your perception of time, thereby allowing you to virtually travel faster or slower. Of course you cannot go backwards except in your memories and the speed does have a limit (for now) but advances are being made. Just imagine you need to think over a difficult issue, if you slow down your perception of time you can think faster and solve the issue in less time. Likewise if your at a meaningless job you can speed up your perception of time and pull an eight hour shift in a few hours hehe. Anyways what do you guys think? Its not the ultimate in time travel but prehaps a stepping stone for the future, or the past? teehehe I wanna try this tongue.gif



Nice post!

This will only work if the whole human race redefines the
definition of an hour, a minute, a second...

Then the number you use to measure time will be smaller,
because the unit you use will be bigger.

So if it took you 10 minutes for a sudoku puzzle before, it could
take you 1 minute after redefinition.

Of course, you'll be eating a major meal every 30 minutes,
watching the sun go down 1h30 into the day, sleeping for an
hour every 2.4 hours, and only live to the ripe old age of 8
years old, but by golly if you don't do better at sudoku!
Culture
QUOTE(maximus242 @ Jun 06, 05:16 PM) *

Okay after a bit of research this is what ive uncovered so far, time distortion has mind blowing effects to which I am most impressed. Further more it has various ways of approaching actual distortion, after 4 or so hours of reading miltons hypnosis and time distortion findings I am very enthusiastic about this. My inital tests did not prove as good as I had hoped, mainly because I am doing self hypnosis, it would be much easier if I had a subject. Now beyond that I am working on instilling a deeper trance and then using the metronome method to change my perception of time.



Ah now I see....the point you trying to make is that we can do this
_without_ having to redefine our time units. The time units we use are
based on observable phenomena while the mind is theoretically free from
such constraints (to a degree) due to how we _perceive_ time

Help me out here maximus...
Why would your thought processes be immune from the speeding up or
slowing down of your perception? You could probably pull an eight hour
stint in a few hours, but you'd still experience eight hours. For you,
it'd still be knock-off time when you return to normality
maximus242
Its not immune, time distortion happens everyday in regular life, when your stressed things seem to go slower as a defence mechanism and when your bored things seem to go slower. Remember the expression time flys when your having fun? it literatly does as far as your brain knows lol. Anyways I did my next phase of testing, this proved to be much better in results.

Inital findings

Okay I actually managed to slow down my perception of a metronome, but it is damn freaky when you realize that what seems to be about 30 seconds inbetween clicks is actually one second. I felt a tingling sensation in my forehead when I slowed down my perception, im not sure if they are associated somehow but when I felt the tingling things started to slow down. I first practiced and trained myself by doing a series of excercises that Milton wrote for preparing subjects for time distortion. After doing several of these I found it was much easier to accomplish time distortion. I also saw a pseudo metronome in my head, there was a rocker moving back and forth and it would hit this black wood where it would then make the sound. Anyways so far time distortion is working out quite nicely.
Steppenwolf
This is the explanation from a cognitive neuroscience point of view: When I'm waiting to do something, or when I'm doing something that is conflicted by some other goals within the working memory, difference parts of the associational cortex will try-out different possible actions, and end up executing very few of what was possible at every given time. When you meditate, and clear your mind of conflicting thoughts, your brain may slip every minute or so, but immediately you regain your concentration and so on.

In the cortex, time -research has indicated- is experieced as action, or in other words: To experience five seconds, is to experience a wave of activity that represents sensory attributes to action that you could have executed through out THOSE five seconds - hence it's relative. So time is not represented, but is experienced, terms of one, or many different actions, that don't actually execute.

When an action is executed, it inhibits its sensory correlates from firing as long they go along the theory of what your brain expects to happen, and it can be computationally shown how that can be done in a neural network. When you're meditating, and you don't hear the conflicting thoughts calculating the different possibilities, then you won't feel the time. Same when you're envolved in any attention demanding task.

Note: This is my own experience and not science: I have found that heart rate and breathing are infact such the determining factors in time experience, but it's possible that their role is mainly achieved through their relationship with emotion, especially in everyday experience. In meditation, the effect can become more significant, but as far as I can tell, you may have to selectively attend the sensory effects of your breathing and heart beat, in order for them to affect your behaviour sufficiently. Nothing new there!
Plato
QUOTE
Self-remembering creates moments of consciousness: these moments are imperishable and can lead to the creation and crystallization of an immortal astral body, or soul. The quotations that appear here continue to inspire us in our daily work.


AWareness is a strong motivator in our attitude developement?

We cannot change the past, but we can the future? Meet each situation a little differently, now it is understood in observation of the self, hence, change the outcome?

Changing atitudes, is what happens, but you first, had to know something about yourself and your reactions. What "emotional reaction" caused the "ole patterns" to re-emerge as a some emotive response hiding the the earlier experience.

Awareness of these emotive states allows changes within the context of the future. Like smell, emotive realizations sink deep in the psyche, and are hard to recognize, if one had not taken the time to observe.

Our dreaming mind, is quite astute to predicting the outcome of our responses in life, and showing them for us, as to what they could become?
maximus242
Funny thing about the past is it is based off your memories and memories are suprisingly easy to change.
maximus242
haha, thats bloody brilliant, thanks for that Hey Hey
Plato
QUOTE(maximus242 @ Jun 13, 01:52 PM) *

Funny thing about the past is it is based off your memories and memories are suprisingly easy to change.


Hmm. I never thought about it that way before. smile.gif

The fact is, if you have learnt patterns that have been established in your lifetime, it is not possible to change what is remembered unless you were actually aware of them? Even then it is only by changing the patterns by meeting the experience in the future can you change the way you had been reacting. An attitude change.

As we grow older I am sure we mask experiences, yet the very memories are image based, cannot be changed.

You sit here now and think yes I can do that, but the fact is you can't. You can lie to yourself, but the very imprints have already happened.

I'll give you an example I used with the young colts born here. Of course animals that are big, have a certain persuasion about them, yet, there are ways to make it appear that you are indeed bigger then the horse, no matter how big they get.

It's call imprinting, and when they were young I would pick them up off their feet and hold them for a short time. They never forget that.



Plato
The Platonic doctrine of recollection is the idea that we are born possessing all knowledge and our realization of that knowledge is contingent on our discovery of it. Whether the doctrine should be taken literally or not is a subject of debate.

The soul is trapped in the body. The soul once lived in "Reality", but got trapped in the body. It once knew everything, but forgot it. The goal of Recollection is to get back to true Knowledge. To do this, one must overcome the body.

This doctrine implies that nothing is ever learned, it is simply recalled or remembered.



With that in mind, how is it we could remember beyond the life we live now? Is there a place with which all memories are stored? Maybe a time we danced around the fire and had an epiliptic seizure and really, Melvin Konner does not encourage such "tribal estatic thoughts while the electricity runs through you?

Mandalic structures from a past life containing all the information learnt from that time, like any model assumed now?

Maybe a special radio that allows one to tune into the past, like shown in the show frequency? How about liminocentric structures? Just thinking out loud smile.gif A image portal? It's all speculation of course. smile.gif


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