i have been in search of a perfect brain chemistry that can be achieved, this is my theory. i believe that people smoke drink or even do that things they do without themselves even knowing this, its pretty amazing. the answer is the brain. the brain wants you to feed it chemicals the turn to neurotransmitter,
for your knowledge the future of humanbeing will be only the study of these chemicals, i can say that
consciousness can be altered, now knowing this dont you think that conciousness can be alter to higherlevels, even higher levels the will bring knowledge, wisdom, total focus or even understanding of life. i tell that if you learn more about right combinations of chemicals for your brain, you wont be wasting your time.
what is intellinge , i will tell you intelligence is how much you know, intelligence is only a state of mind
that youre able to process information, and undertand it. all this is base on your neurotransmittere present on your brain.

let me get you down to the basiscs.

Lucid dreaming. what is lucid dreaming?. lucid dreaming is when you know youre dreaming and you awareness is present within that dream. you can do what ever you wish when you lucid dream.
also lucid dreaming is healthy for the brain , since the brain goes on REM(rapid eye movement)
at this state the brain frenquency is very rapid. when you are in REM the brain makes new synapsis,
and it strenghtens your fresh connections. you can say the brain is defragmenting itself, like a computer does.


Herbs for lucid dreaming
there is a plant called RED SPIDER LILLY, this plant is very amazing.
it works as an acetylcholinestererase inhibitor(achei) Galantamine is what all this is about.
the plant blocks premature aged -related breakdown of the natural neurotransmitter acetylcholine
if you take galantamine you will lucid dream less than two weeks, but you will become cracy lucid in the first night. every night the lucidity will increase enought until you know that its only a dream, and bingo
Lucid dreaming.

Too cool, Onfire, and welcome.

I'm assuming that you "do" red spider lily, then? If so, can you tell me if once you "learn" to experience lucid dreams via the plant, could you do so again later without requiring the plant?

Where do you get it?

mm another possibility is to build or buy the lucid dream glasses, they wait until you are in sleep and then wake you up just enough to experience lucid dream by having lights flash at a certain frequency

I'm with OnlyNow. Where do you get red spider lily?

hmm it will be intresting to see what life mirage has to say, hes got to know at least a few diffrent Lucid Dreaming plants.

Galantamine (the active compound in the red spider lily plant) is found in many sources daffodil (Narcissus pseudonarcissus L.) and snowdrop (Galanthus nivalis). There is little if any difference between the sources of Galantamine (as cool as red spider lily sounds).

Example www.brillant dreams.com the main company selling "red spider lily" sourced Galantamine: Galantamine 4 mg 60 capsules $34.95

Other Sources:
Unique Nutrition: Galantamine 8 mg 90 servings $49.99, Smart Nutriton: Galantamine 8 mg 30 capsules $23.95, etc.

Raising ACh levels in many cases effect Lucid Dreaming quite strongly. Perhaps the most cost effective way to do this is with the AChE inhibitor L-Huperzine A (Huperzia serrata), rather than Galantamine. But since everyone reactions differently to compounds that effect neurochemistry trial and error is the best way to find out.

i only talk of think i have done, and experience
surely i will share my knowledge.
red spider lilly is an extract
there various website tha you can order galantamine, or red spider lilly extract
the website is www.dreamamins.com
i have taken the extract and my lucidity have become so vivid and so real
once the lucidity become more real than reality itself you will wake up
and have a lucid dream

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i only talk of think i have done, and experience
surely i will share my knowledge.
red spider lilly is an extract
there various website tha you can order galantamine, or red spider lilly extract
the website is www.dreamamins.com
i have taken the extract and my lucidity have become so vivid and so real
once the lucidity become more real than reality itself you will wake up
and have a lucid dream

Experience is one thing understanding is the next step. Red Spider Lily does nothing but itself only a highly isolated extract purified for Galantamine has the neurochemical effects you have experienced.



Careful playing with your perception of reality….the path to madness is not far off……equally is the path to an enhanced awareness.

Surely you're right experience and undertanding is two differents things but how do you learn? all human must experience in order to learn or understand. and by the way the path to madness is in every mind, if you make the wrong move by making a wrong choice, you could end up there. you can say that every one has access to madness. you dont understand my saying that there no reality only perception
maybe if you stand in a state of mind that perception of one's view is seen as the reality of the present state of mind. knowing this know you know that this is the world and everyones point of view. but there is one point of view thats correct, only one reality can exist. Do you know what do i speak of?
i always want to share knowledge and wisdom and grow in understanding.

Wrong. Reality permits multiple points of view, each partially correct.

each human is a part of reality. how can you distingish which one is the real one.
and you will know once you experience it. have you fully manipulated the brain to create what reality you want to live in?there one base of reality thats stabe from the one branches all possible ones.
in simple words, becuase i am not trying to misguide you here. since mind is only a product of
brain, and if you altered neurotransmitters of your brain you will change you mind, then follows your conciousness and how you view the world. do you know how to become sensitive to spirits?
or make your mind understand what are people are going to say before they even open their mouth?
study the peyote cactus DMT

DMT can produce an powerful entheogen is a modern term derived from two Ancient Greek words, ἔνθεος (entheos) and γενέσθαι (genesthai). Entheos literally means "god (theos) within", more freely translated "inspired". The Greeks used it as a term of praise for poets and other artists. Genesthai means "to cause to be" or becoming. So an entheogen is "that which causes God (or godly inspiration) to be within a person".

In its strictest sense the term refers to a psychoactive substance (most often some plant matter with hallucinogenic effects) that occasions enlightening spiritual or mystical experience, within the parameters of a cult, in the original non-pejorative sense of cultus. In a broader sense, the word "entheogen" refers to artificial as well as natural substances that induce alterations of consciousness similar to those documented for ritual ingestion of traditional shamanic inebriants, even if it is used in a secular context.


since the begining of time human will only evolve its conciousness
when adam ate the apple his eyes became open
there is herbs, fruits, plants the will altered state of consciousness
to gain full understanding from within.
i do wish to challenge the present state of your knowledge
to find out how much you guys really know.

Science.

Bah, all reality is non existant, only the perception of the reality exists. On that note Life Mirage is right, be careful when playing with reality, too many are in a room with padded walls because of it already.

I can say Rene Descartes prove you wrong.

Rene Descartes: 'I think therefore I am'
I HAD long since remarked that in matters of conduct it is necessary sometimes to follow opinions known to be uncertain, as if they were not subject to doubt; but, because now I was desirous to devote myself to the search after truth, I considered that I must do just the contrary, and reject as absolutely false every-thing concerning which I could imagine the least doubt to exist.

Thus, because our senses sometimes deceive us, I would suppose that nothing is such as they make us to imagine it; and because I was as likely to err as another in reasoning, I rejected as false all the reasons which I had formerly accepted as demonstrative; and finally, considering that all the thoughts we have when awake can come to us also when we sleep without any of them being true, I resolved to feign that everything which had ever entered my mind was no more truth than the illusion of my dreams.

But I observed that, while I was thus resolved to feign that everything was false, I who thought must of necessity be somewhat; and remarking this truth--I think, therefore I am--was so firm and so assured that all the most extravagant suppositions of the sceptics were unable to shake it, I judged that I could unhesitatingly accept it as the first principle of the philosophy I was seeking. I could feign that there was no world, I could not feign that I did not exist. And I judged that I might take it as a general rule that the things which we conceive very clearly and very distinctly are all true, and that the only difficulty lies in the way of discerning which those things are that we conceive distinctly.

After this, reflecting upon the fact that I doubted, and that consequently my being was not quite perfected (for I saw that to know is a greater perfection than to doubt), I bethought me to inquire whence I had learnt to think of something more perfect than myself; and it was clear to me that this must come from some nature which was in fact more perfect. For other things I could regard as dependencies of my nature if they were real, and if they were not real they might proceed from nothing--that is to say, they might exist in me by way of defect.

But it could not be the same with the idea of a being more perfect than my own; for to derive it from nothing was manifestly impossible; and because it is no less repugnant that the more perfect should follow and depend upon the less perfect than that something should come forth out of nothing. I could not derive it from myself.

It remained, then, to conclude that it was put into me by a nature truly more perfect than was I and possessing in itself all the perfections of what I could form an idea--in a word, by God. To which I added that, since I knew some perfections which I did not possess, I was not the only being who existed, but that there must of necessity be some other being, more perfect, on whom I depended, and from whom I had acquired all that I possessed; for if I had existed alone and independent of all other, so that I had of myself all this little whereby I participated in the Perfect Being, I should have been able to have in myself all those other qualities which I knew myself to lack, and so to be infinite, eternal, immutable, omniscient, almighty--in fine, to possess all the perfections which I could observe in God.

First of all you havent disproved anything, "I think, therefore I am" only further proves my point. Reality is subjective to the individual, this is left to the individual whether they wish to create their own reality or be subjected to someone elses. I think therefore I am only proves that you need to only change your perception to create, change or destroy, it is quite a simple concept really.

It has already been established a while ago that for "nothing" to exist is impossible for us to know. Why? because even the word nothing has existance, even black exists, it is the contrast to white and simply even thinking about nothing gives it a form of existance, so yes you clearly do exist in one form or another.

for a thing to exist it mean its in a state of being, arent you in a state of being?
therefore if you werent being how can you even think a thought, far more if you werent existing right now
you wouldnt even thought about the thought of non-existing.

but to think about non-existance remains a state of existance..

There are laws of how the universe works.
if you were non- existing right know you cant manifest your thoughts
its not that hard, only one that can alters laws of the universe can do this
i dont think you have enought brain power to do this,
you're on the basics.

HAHAHA. Excuse me? you are only exemplifying my point while attempting to contradict me in the same instance. You admit that simply thinking creates existance yet you alternativly attempt to contradict me by agreeing with me. One does not change the laws of the universe for these laws you speak of are only a matter of how one percieves the universe. Science constantly changes and so does scientists views on the universe, you attempt to raise yourself up by inacting like a guru when you are simply regurgitating things you read. Before you attempt to enact and propagate your own self proclaimed meta knowlege that you so claim to have over us. I would suggest you first actually read what is being written, I stated that to think about non-existance is to give it existance, for me to think, I therefore exist. Yet somehow this eludes you and you claim that I am only touching on the "basics" in an attempt to further propagate your own self esteem.

yes, you must in a state of existance for you to even think about the non-existance.
the universe has laws and some of them is that you must exist in oder to manifest.
example is how the brain creates thoughts, where do thought come from? welll its
the same with the universe. how thoughts come to be is the same of how the universe was created.
in order for you to be in the non-existance and try to manifested in the reality we live in
its impossible, only if the laws of the universe are change by someone or something
the knows how to manipulate it.

Laws of the Universe is a matter of perception not physics.

i dont think i have knowledge over no one, we are in debate.
why did you go into a chemical imbalance when i said your on the basics
i hope i didnt offened you in any way, i am trying to do
is stretch thoughts, and ideas we have.

What is the deepest perception you have?
i am sure the perception can change into beliefs
and powerfuls beliefs can change brain chemistry
beyond mind.

youve got to go beyond notions that reality is existant, get into the ideas that the universe as you know it is subjected to your unconscious mind and that you can manipulate it, then you will start to understand what im getting at. An example is that going out in the rain doesnt make you sick, a virus does, and the only sickness the weather can give you is ammonia. In fact it is harder to get sick in winter than it is in summer, but sure enough every winter people are stocking up on cold medicine, why? because they make themselves sick in their mind and the body becomes sick.

are you saying i am ignorant of the abilities of mind.
i surely can say i dont know the complete works of the mind
but i can tell you that i do know how to change my chemistry,
i can go into a state of mind that when i think about something so strong the can affect my reality and those around me
do you know what influences the minds around you?

Aww man, do I know how influence works? you bet I do, ive studied Hypnosis, NLP, Perception Limitation, Psychology, Meditation, Cults, Hypnotherapy, Drugs, PSYOPS, Electronic Manipulation and a few others..

do you used Hemi-sync audio tapes or binurals
hemi-sync is more effective way to program the mind,
you can also make your owns if your pretty deep into it( its more effective)
you can do this by using cooledit pro

Binaurials.. yeah ive used em but there is more effective ways than that.

One good definition of 'real' is:-

Being or occurring in fact or actuality; having verified existence; not illusory, ie.,

"real objects"; "real people; not ghosts"; "a film based on real life"; "a real illness"; "real humility"; "Life is real! Life is earnest!"
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All our thoughts are real! They do occur!
But, we need to decide if they represent or mimic the reality of the World in we live.
We each create 'models' of 'reality' and should continually test them, and modify them based on what we read and hear, compare our thoughts to those of others etc., before we accept any thought or concept as representative of the real world.

All events we witness are real, but our perception of them may be flawed (I exclude hallucinations).

[quote name='rhymer' date='May 16, 04:21 PM' post='64488']
One good definition of 'real' is:-

Being or occurring in fact or actuality; having verified existence; not illusory, ie.,

"real objects"; "real people; not ghosts"; "a film based on real life"; "a real illness"; "real humility"; "Life is real! Life is earnest!"
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Experiencing its a type of reality
but there more realities than just one
Just because you feel, state or touch it doesnt state its
a real reality. the mind correspond to brain and its senses telling you that
what you see , touch or state is real because of feelings.

And Don Juan would say that it's all a matter of the possition of the assembelage point (Asembelage point: The point at which perception is assembled-an engergetic configuration and defining quallity of beings possesing awareness). Who cares who calls what what?! It only matters so long as someone is around to care to make this into that or that-this.

It's great that you can make complex theories or superior statements about real and false but...who cares?

Back to lucid dreaming.

I think that's really cool. I've often wondered if there was a plant or pill that would greater increase dream awareness. Who knows anymore about the sorce of the highest quallity product for the substance-Galantamine? I see that Pro-Galantamine™ is 4mg and nutrition grade purity of greater than 96% from www.dreamamins.com. Does "Nutrition grade purity of greater than 96% imply that it is 96% pure Galantamine?

Nivalin and Reminyl.

Thanks again!

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"Experiencing its a type of reality
but there more realities than just one
Just because you feel, state or touch it doesnt state its
a real reality. the mind correspond to brain and its senses telling you that
what you see , touch or state is real because of feelings."

All of anyones thoughts really do occur (in that person), whether that person is drug free or on hallucinogens.

The important point we should be considering is whether those thoughts reflect what goes on in the real external world.

Without being on drugs, if you see a cliff edge, you know it is certain that if you walk toward it continuously you will fall off the edge.
When you see a 50 foot spider with the head of a lion whilst on drugs (you, not the lion), do you believe that what you see really exists?

I've been to that website before. I was going to order today, but http://www.dreamamins.com doesn't
seem to come up. Is it down? Will it be back? Where else can I get Red Spider Lilly extract?

the domain expired

Are you certain that the cliff edge exists?

I am certain that the cliff edge exists!!
If I am not I throw a brick off it, watch what happens and then draw a conclusion. I may repeat this simple experiment many times or use other techniques to ascertain the probability of 'what will happen if...'
This is how I learn what gives, what is real and what is imagination.
Such simple experimentation would allow anyonew to learn very quickly what is real and what is not.
I suspect that no posters on this board cross the road without looking both ways. Why don't they cross without looking?

Solipsism is the only true answer

I would like to remind the matrix..the movie

what we saw there is just this......

If you study this science carefully yes, you can surely alter the state of consciousness and make your own reallity or you can even enlighten yourself.

Another interesting thing is Evolutionary Biologist Richard Dawkins once said " Neithr psychologist Steve Pinker nor I can explain human subjective consciousness ..we don't understand it." (1999)

And also "Psychology must discard all refences to consciousness " said by behaviorist John B. Watson (1913)


It's an intersting subject....Let's discuss it furthur......

I would like to now rhymer...what you experiance....

I heard about galantamine aiding in dream recognition so i bought pills that also had choline from dreamamins . com. I read on a post somewhere about people experimenting with galantamine, and one guy said he had the best results when he woke up about 4 or 5am and took one. I stayed home from work one day and decided a mid-day nap would be great testing grounds. I took one pill a half hour before laying down.

It worked extremely well, almost frighiteningly. I had about a half dozen dreams, half of which were lucid and the other half non-lucid, but all were very very vivid. Also, the lucid dreams were very lucid, where i was very aware that I was indeed dreaming and had much control.

The only negative point I'd like to touch on was that for the first time in my life, I found it difficult to leave the dreams and wake up. I'd open my eyes but only for a second, then fall back into the dream. this happened a few times and when i finally awoke, i was a bit rattled that I couldn't get out of the dream faster.

Other than that, great dream-aid. However, with all other chemicals, I wouldn't take it more than once or twice a week in fear of becoming tolerant of the drug.

Ok firstly, Peyote does not contain DMT, it contains mescaline which is equally relevant but I just thought I'd bring it up to see if you even knew about his distinction or if it was a typo.

Secondly you seem to be pushing a lucid dreaming technique on to help forward our consciousness, which is admirable, but it seems you actually forgot the curriculum for all us lucid dreamers. What exactly do you propose the dream state to help us to do?

I suspect the lucid dreaming state can only be used to help analyse your own problems although I have read about people practising on their musical instruments in their lucid dreams and becoming better in reality.

Also this notion of dreams being more real than reality - I cant seem to justify this at all. When I have no awareness in a dream, the only impression i get is of different imagery whizzing by at different speeds and accompanied by extreme emotions, which kind of makes sense since what your really dealing with is thought-forms not consciously created worlds. When I am more aware it does seem more like a 3D space I can move around in, but barely. When I'm lucid its the same but I can guide and create scenes, but my dreams all seem silent and the speech doesnt come out of characters mouths but just appears in my head like a fact.

The most frightening and enlightening experience I've had was whilst under extreme inebriation from cocktail of various drugs in my youth... We were standing in the kitchen and a friend was talking to this girl, a girl he had argued with before. He was explaining the Derbyshire phrase "duck" but what I saw was a screaming fight with the f word and spit flying, raging at each others throats. After they split up and she moved to the sitting room I told my friend it was out of order acting like that... he didn't have a clue what I was talking about. I explained what I had saw to both of them individually and neither had any recollection of what I'd seen. That is THE most definitive proof I can give for a true hallucination, I've seen distortions and patterns but never like that.

So as you can see I've experienced both sides of the coin and am yet to understand lucid dreams that feel "real".

can someone help me with NLP, i've read some crap on it, but i need a kickstart.

Definitely good taste on your choice of avatar! Err!... When is it that you're turning 18? Soon, I hope? he he

Descartes never said "I think therefore i am",
He said "i am a thinking thing" and later on concluded that he has to exist due to a few arguments he presents.

maximus, your vast knowledge of nlp and the like not only provided you with knowledge but extreme bias towards their ideas.. think about it. I suggest develop more skepticism.

The reason people get sick in the winter is because of heat changes which lower your immune system.

It is also well known that viruses thrive in colder temperatures, plus people spend more time in-doors, which facilitates the transmission of air-borne pathogens.

mmm yes, oh in about a year im turning 18, turning 17 soon actually (in a month)

If that avatars actually you opfor101... you fancy going out sometime? Sure theres huge expanses of sea to get past, but if its not a struggle its not worth it eh?

I have a VERY interesting link for everyone, regarding Lucid Dreaming written by Claude Rifat, who's also done other research that might be equally interesting... How do I ever post URL's? It won't let me cuz I'm new...

Oh and opfor101, nice avatar.. can't stop gawking at it lol!