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Hey Hey
Please, please, please, give me some evidence for God. I don't really want to argue any more. Will I have to?
maximus242
tongue.gif evidence is subjective to perspective, to one person a women escaping from a cruel husband is thanks to god, to another its just a brave women. To one person making an explosion is science and to another it is alchemy.
Hey Hey
QUOTE(maximus242 @ Apr 20, 10:50 PM) *

to another it is alchemy.


please tell me how. i also want to make some gold.
maximus242
Hahaha, anyways what im saying is no matter what evidence for or against god their will always be diffrent explanations to prove or disprove the evidence, so even if you get evidence you may not see it as evidence of god whereas someone else might.
Rick
Evidence of God: everything.
OnlyNow
QUOTE(Rick @ Apr 20, 06:18 PM) *

Evidence of God: everything.

Good one!

I think that if there was no God, there would be no Thing.

(Nothing.)

How did this "something" get here? You might counter by asking, how did God get here? But both questions are essentially the same. We're left with a HUGE, undeniable mystery that absolutely defies explanation whether we believe in God or not. I don't know if God created the universe or IS the universe. The latter is probably closer to the truth. To not believe in God, then you must also not believe in "everything". The universe is here, IMO. There is no other evidence for God, but do we really need it?


Hey Hey
QUOTE(Rick @ Apr 21, 12:18 AM) *

Evidence of God: everything.


Nice one Rick! By the way, what is everything? Any evidence for everything? What is evidence? Who sees the evidence? Are the experimenters who possibly created this everything watched by experimenters?
Lindsay
QUOTE(OnlyNow @ Apr 20, 04:57 PM) *

....To not believe in God, then you must also not believe in "everything". The universe is here, IMO. There is no other evidence for God, but do we really need it?
Sounds okay to me. I call this "everything" GØD --that is, that which is physically, mentally and spiritually, "everything". Rick gave me some help making the Ø, which represents that GØD is in and through "everything". This includes people in families, in community, and you and I as persons. I experience GØD in mystery, as the absolute "everything"; I experience God in the relative, measurable and scientific "everything", in nature and in society. And I experience god, personally--that is, in and through me and you.

IMHO, my role, as a GØD-filled individual person, is as follows: without imposing my personal beliefs, likes and dislikes, on anyone, I am here to make the conscious effort to act morally and ethically and to connect with "everything" and to practice the art of loving "everything", and everyone. I am not here to impose a rigid orthodoxy on anyone. I am here to do a flexible orthopraxy in my relationships with everyone--the basis of justice, peace, harmony, joy and beauty.
maximus242
Evidence of god is everything? HeyHey makes a good point in asking what is everything. What is nothing? how do you define something that is simply nothing? Even the word has existance so how can you actually even know what nothing is? You cant define it.. if you look deeply into this, it actually gets a tad disturbing, does nothing ever exist? Wow now im really tripping like trip does haha. So if god exists what created it?
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QUOTE(maximus242 @ Apr 20, 07:54 PM) *

So if god exists what created it?

Us! Now, did we create God too?
OnlyNow
QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Apr 20, 08:38 PM) *

QUOTE(Rick @ Apr 21, 12:18 AM) *

Evidence of God: everything.


Nice one Rick! By the way, what is everything? Any evidence for everything? What is evidence? Who sees the evidence? Are the experimenters who possibly created this everything watched by experimenters?

HH, you could be the overseeing experimenter to put this thing to rest. Conduct a double-blind study where one group actually creates everything, a second group creates nothing (good luck). A third (control) group is just sitting there but thinks it's creating God-knows-what. If after the test, everything is still here, then there's a God.
maximus242
QUOTE(code buttons @ Apr 20, 10:05 PM) *

QUOTE(maximus242 @ Apr 20, 07:54 PM) *

So if god exists what created it?

Us! Now, did we create God too?


Haha exactly, I think we are more or less in a circle of existance, prehaps changing but never moving out of existance. But is change is constant and we exist then we theirfore must eventually not exist, but if you cannot define what is undefinable - nothing, then you cannot therefore change into that which cannot be defined so thus change may not be entirely constant? So thus maybe we are moving through a neverending circle of changing perceptions? One day your on top of the world.. prehaps literatly and the next your down in the gutters. Maybe we even move in and out of being divine and being mortal just for the hell of it?
OnlyNow
QUOTE(maximus242 @ Apr 20, 10:54 PM) *

Evidence of god is everything? HeyHey makes a good point in asking what is everything. What is nothing? how do you define something that is simply nothing? Even the word has existance so how can you actually even know what nothing is? You cant define it.. if you look deeply into this, it actually gets a tad disturbing, does nothing ever exist? Wow now im really tripping like trip does haha. So if god exists what created it?

Nothing is harder for me to imagine than *nothing*. I always picture an infinite, empty space, but then that's actually *something*, isn't it?--not even close to *nothing*. My question is why/how is it that the prevailing quality is NOT *nothing*? It seems to me that Occam's razor really should have applied here, and especially if God doesn't exist. *Nothing* seems infinitely simpler than *something*. And yet, the ultimate absurdity is that we DO have *something*--which, of course, is *everything*. Pretty amazing, God or no.
maximus242
Hmm well if you think about it God almost has to exist, just not in the way we think. Since the notion of God is existant then God does exist, if prehaps only in ones mind, in the storys told it or of the feelings surrounding it. In fact God almost certainly exists, it is more put into question how does he exist - or rather in what way does he exist. Since people believe in God then their is a thought about God which then gives God existance, so it may very well be true.. those who believe in God, create it. However in this manner of creating something we ourselves seem to become Gods aswell.. spooky.
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QUOTE(OnlyNow @ Apr 20, 08:22 PM) *

QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Apr 20, 08:38 PM) *

QUOTE(Rick @ Apr 21, 12:18 AM) *

Evidence of God: everything.


Nice one Rick! By the way, what is everything? Any evidence for everything? What is evidence? Who sees the evidence? Are the experimenters who possibly created this everything watched by experimenters?

HH, you could be the overseeing experimenter to put this thing to rest. Conduct a double-blind study where one group actually creates everything, a second group creates nothing (good luck). A third (control) group is just sitting there but thinks it's creating God-knows-what. If after the test, everything is still here, then there's a God.

INGENIOUS!!! HILARIOUS!!!
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QUOTE(maximus242 @ Apr 20, 08:33 PM) *

Maybe we even move in and out of being divine and being mortal just for the hell of it?

I like that, very much! And I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out that the speed at which we're moving is about 15 billions of a second. Or is it thirty billions of a second? Where is that post by Trip!
Rick
QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Apr 20, 06:38 PM) *

QUOTE(Rick @ Apr 21, 12:18 AM) *

Evidence of God: everything.

Nice one Rick! By the way, what is everything? Any evidence for everything? What is evidence? Who sees the evidence? Are the experimenters who possibly created this everything watched by experimenters?

WYSIWYG: What you see is what you get. "Everything" includes what you know and what you don't know. There are stars in distant galaxies that nobody can ever know. But they are there just the same, burning away and sometimes exploding. That's part of God. "Evidence" is most reliably provided by science and personal experience, including the hard work of understanding the science done in the past and that being done right now. Also your friends and lovers can give you some personally direct evidence. Enemies can educate you too, sometimes in unexpected ways. Nobody is watching us but us.
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