Ok so Im starting a thread here concerning my overall health that has been increasingly slipping away. I have been stressed out to the max the past few days. Just got fired from my job as a server and want to try some different approaches for expanding my horizons.

First Nootropic here ive ever taken:

I started out yesterday with Pyritinol 200mg once in the afternoon and evening with a total intake of 400mg. I wanted to see how it would affect my concentration at work on a Saturday night waiting tables.

Well things went ok but i didnt take my adderall as currently prescribed. I was supposed to take a 10mg adderall at 7pm to taper off for the night so I would get as cranky. So things got ugly and I blew a chip at work and got fired. So today I ate some cereal because I didnt have money for anything else then took a 200mg capsule Pyritinol and did some cleaning around the house.

I felt tired so then I took my 20mg of Adderall (I take generic tablets not XR). Now I currently drinking my one cup of organic coffee that I allow myself to have a day so I dont get the withdrawl from inconsistence use of caffiene. Aside from that I dont drink soda just water. I dont drink bottled water, only on occasion. I drink tap water and plan on getting a drinking water attachment for my sink and shower.

Ok so I dont take anything else as far as supplements go. Oh there is one other thing. I do take 2 teaspoons of raw apple cider vinegar in a glass of water everyday and have been doing that for about a month now. I feel it helps with my allergies. Im postive I have allergies. I have 2 cats one dark one and one white one. I hear the darker they are the more allergic they are. I also have a small taco bell dog.

Ok so aside from that Im planning on doing my back excerses and then setting out for a walk around the block with my dog. For back I lay on the floor and contract my stomach muscles to strengthen my lower back and my abs. Do about 10 to 15 contractions a day.

I havent adjusted my diet yet I know thats like the most important but do to money I will have to wait untill later. I would like to hear all comments that pertain to what I have posted here: diet, supplements, when to take the supplements, when and what excerses. Even your ideas on kinds of jobs that go good for someone like me with ADHD. I really think its a bad idea for me to work at night for several reasons but mainly because of excersing too late at night. I do work up a sweat running around the restaraunt. THanks so much guys and would love to hear all your thoughts on this.

Salesman

nobody???

sounds like you're taking too much crap. Why don't you do without all your supplements for a week, coupled with aerobic exercise and simple multivitamin supplement, and see if that helps.

newbee here too. I do raw oats n whole foods. not sure it is doing much for my brain, but wow, other body stuff sure works with the whole foods. lol

I do like that good old fashioned caffine though.

I have been looking into deprenyl. It seems to do everything under the sun.

after looking around it is looking like an interesting think thing.

Your first post got some interesting feedback... hmm... dont know if I am being helpful but I am on a similar information quest as you.

so here is a site I found when researching.
good luck and if you find out anything cool please feel free to email me

http://www.deprenyl.info/

But caffine is still my friend!!!!!!!!!!! Click to view attachment

caffeine rocks!

I am ADHD also and have found that the best stablizing factor is working out.

I am about to turn 47 and I am in really great shape. So there are other benifits.

My workout of choice has always been running.

Crazy as it may seem it seems to help my allergies. Maybe it blows all the junk out of the system.

I have a cat also and keeping things clean and washing my hands has been the only things to keep cat allergies from making me nuts. I am going to get an air filter system too.

For my diet... well it is cheaper to eat bad, but I hit the dollar store for nuts n stuff.

I Keep tons of raw oatmeal around which is my favorite quick snack with a little milk n sugar or honey. (my son got me hooked on that... another ADHD person.)

My son tried meds for ADHD and after a number of them decided they didnt do much for him. He sticks to the excersize as well. I have found that the ADHD is a good thing for me. My son is learning to go with it instead of fighting it, and is finding the same... that it is actually a benifit. But all cases are different.

a couple more food ideas...
bananas are cheap. Another cool quick snack is put a little olive oil on a plate,sliced tomatos, a little parmesean cheese and garlic... nuke it in the microwave... and baddabing... good quick snack.

Again I dont think food has effected my ADHD, but it keeps that vehicle that we walk around in running better.

CATS ROCK!

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I totally agree with Neural. Stay away from so much crap, at least for awhile and then see how it goes. I too try to stay in shape, especially now that I've hit that age where even walking in front of 'Shipley Donuts' gets me fatter. But I don't take too much supplemets-wise. The only thing I do is I take a Labrada meal supplement package once a day, and spike it with an EAS spoon-full of Creatine three times a week. But, as we all know by now, all Creatine does is bulk you up a little bit by increasing the water retention in the muscle cell. And the kidney questions has always been there with Creatine. There's nothing in the litereture about it yet that I know of, though. But I may discontinue taking even that in the near future.
I think that the natural way is the best. Especially if you are at the begining of your exercise program (the first 12 months or so, when you are building up). You give your body a chance first with just a regular diet. And after a few months after you've reached a plateau you don't seem to be able to get pass, then start with a meal supplement package. and only on the days you work-out and only after the work-out. I guarantee you then, and only then, you'll see real results from taking that stuff they sell at the supplement stores.
Also, there are ways to trick the body into bulking up the natural way once you're reached a plateau. So, yea! Stay away from that crap for awhile.

Ok people this isnt a bodybuilding forum...just kidding. Ok so yeah I get what you guys are saying but the aerobic excersice isnt working. I cant run im too out off shape and have a bad knee already. So i just do some walking any other ideas would be great. As for not taking anything your nuts I would be in bed all day depressed and fat. I dont think its such a good idea to go off adderall abruptly.

Try swimming and weight lifting if you can't run. Physical exercise is the best long acting energizer I know. If I go two weeks without exercise (just walking) I start to feel lacking in energy, memory, ideas, etc. Two days of vigorous exercise (an hour each day) will boost me right back up to normal.

Again I cant swimm and I cant lift weights dont have a car or a gym membership please stop making replys for the lifting weights and gym stuff I dont have money for this i dont even have a job. My ADHDs so bad that I dont even get along with people anymore.

Salesman, do you have cable tv? If so, and you have the Oxygen channel, look for the program called Inhale. It's a "power yoga" class--a full hour, by a guy named Steve Ross. It's on very early (5:00 a.m. Central), but it's a great way to start your day. If not, maybe you could buy a DVD (try one of Patricia Walden's beginner DVDs). Yoga is the one exercise that leaves me feeling totally refreshed and energized. It increases strength, balance and flexibility.

A few years ago, I started doing yoga regularly. I had gained weight and felt awful, both physically and mentally. It took a full year, but this was the ONLY change I made, and I lost 50 pounds. I've kept it off, too. Though I personally think I ought to lose another 10 pounds, I'm right in the correct weight range for my height.

Artist--do you cook your oatmeal before eating it or do you just leave it raw?

CB--isn't there new evidence that creatine enhances memory and might help to prevent Alzheimer's? Also, haven't new studies been conducted which indicate that creatine actually does increase lean muscle mass (beyond the water retention)?

I'd be surprised if creatine does anything for memory, much less helping to prevent Alzheimers.

Memory:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/200...s-byb081103.php

Alzheimer's:
http://www.alzheimersupport.com/library/sh...cle.cfm?ID=1485

Muscle:
http://www.ms-se.com/pt/re/msse/abstract.0...#33;9001!-1

Say what?!!! Hey, I hadn't heard that one yet! ha! The last time I read anything about creatine, it was about how much they wanted to regulate it or ban it all together! Let me sink my teeth into this information! Thanks for the links, OnlyNow!

Yeah im going to start doing that yoga stuff because ive done it before and I totally know it works great for mind and body experience. Thanks

Deprenyl, Piracetam, Pyritinol has some decent research supporting its use in ADD.

Exercise and Diet doesn't always work guys.

As someone who's been in your position (Although I doubt we have the same condition, I'm a undiagnosed bipolar who can't find the time to go see a doctor.)

I've gone from skinny 5'6 118lb to 150lb with 9% bodyfat and a 60/80 LDL/HDL level.
Gone to an exceptional diet and get hell of a workout training in various martial arts.

I've also experimented several times in the interim with all kinds of psychoactives.
(My reasons are purely utilitarian. I'm one of those people who bites off more than he can chew and has to find a way to swallow it all.)
Pretty much every major neurotropic (You name it. I probably have it or tried it at one point.)
and different pharmaceuticals.
Never anything hardcore like meth/cocaine/heroin though.

Sometimes you're just unmotivated or unfocused or unhappy/depressed for no particular good reason.
(although I *AM* way better off now when I ever was back then. more confidence, more assertiveness, more energy/strength/stamina.
Just still no motivation and still depression.)


First off, you haven't told us directly the exact reasons for wanting to go off your prescribed ADHD medication.

Is it not effective? Are you ADHD? what are the symptoms that keep you from keeping your job?
Is it the anxiety/hypertensive feelings caused by the excessive dopamine?

Have you discussed this with your doctor? maybe discuss trying alternative treatments.
There are alternate ADHD pharmaceuticals besides direct stimulants.

I think the best solution for you IMHO would be talking to your doctor
or a synergistic stack to go with your adderall as neurotropics can't compare to the
direct dopamine release of amphetamines.

If you're feeling anxiety/stress.. I'd say L-Theanine/Rhodiola Rosea/Ashwagandha/Panthenine
unless you can get your doctor to prescribe you klonopin.

also i've read in research on addy that it found regular stim users to be deficient in Magnesium and Thiamine so Chelated magnesium and a b-complex would do you some good too.

also Fish Oil and Good Multivitamin are essential period. Especially with processed foods today.

but like i said.. it'd be better to go to your doctor.
"You can't even get along with people" doesn't particularly sound like a exclusive ADHD disorder.
You might also have social anxiety or maybe you're manic too.

Don't identify or write yourself off by a condition some doctor of indeterminate skill (or your yourself have self-diagnosed)
It's better to state your symptoms in detail.

also please.. for the love of god Don't take everything under the sun unless you read, research and try to understand the underlying mechanism

the way you talked about deprenyl worries me. It's a MAO-I inhibitor with preference for type A. alone its relatively harmless but if you just go mixing and matching
all willy nilly. you will F**K yourself up.

It's a selective MAO-B not A inhibitor in low doses.

Er.. I meant B... its not selective in high doses.
you are correct.
I must be tired or something.
that's basic as hell.

I honestly don't understand the point of suplements--especially supplementing creatine. Creatine is abundant in nearly all foods one would eat when on a workout regiment (my personal favorite, and one of the most abundant creatine sources, being sashimi). There is no reason why anyone should have to supplement anything other than a simple daily multi vitamin.

The key to weightloss and muscle gain--egg whites, fish, skim milk.
Don't be a fat lard--eat less and even if you are just getting a good walk in every day 45min to an hour with maybe 20min of stretching and meditation/controled breathing I guarentee you will feel much healthier in just a few days. There is no reason to spend money on supplements.

To help reduce and/or prevent diseases and age related disorders.

Very true, I guess I was speaking primarily to people of my own (or similar) age demographic. So I will add on that there is no real need to supplement under say the age of 25 (no real scientific backing just my guess )

Diseases occur in all ages as do nutritional deficiencies.

Also take into consideration the heavy metals, chemicals, trans fatty acids, gmo’s …etc in our air, water, and food. Oh and increased exposure to radiation from cell phones, cell phone towers, microwaves, and of course the sun.