Hello all just wanted to introduce myself. I am a 24 year old college student. I took 2 years off and now am back at a local community college working on a Business degree. Here is a brief overview of my supplement and prescription history.

I have tryed all sorts of supplements but now I have come to the realization that the ones I buy from Wild Oats and Whole Foods are of little to no worth.

So Ive just decided to go the internet route when buying any supplements.

Yesterday I put a order in for pyritnol(spelling) and I need to get some advice here on startup please.

I have found that the only thing that works is adderall for my doctor diagnosis of ADHD. I know some of you think its just a label, and I could pretty much agree with you on that one. So lets not get into that. Im just trying to discuss this symptom I have had forever. I need something to take to help me study. I dont want to go the pharmacutical route if i have to because of all the long term side affects. So Ive done some brief research and I just want some of you who are new or been around for awhile to help guide me in the right direction. Now I wasnt sure if I should start out with a stack. I thought it would be good to start out with one thing and then see how things work. Like the pyritnol take it as directed for a month to see how things go. Well hope I can get your feedback here and glad to be apartof this forum.

Salesman

ok lets not all reply at once here

there are knowledgeable people here on smart drugs that can answer your question, but I'm not one of them. Check back a little later.

I am not an expert on medicine or supplements at all, but a while back I was trying to get prescription meds for my un-diagnosed ADD condition from one of my physician buddies and I was put on hold real soon. And this is what they told me: Try the herbal/supplement way first: Ginko Bilova, for example. Go the prescription route as a last resort.

A good general assumption is that prescription drugs are part of a conspiracy by the medical-pharmaceutical establishment to get rich off the suffering of others.

Or is that too harsh? I know of some valium and vicodan addicts who wish they had never heard of prescriptions.

I'm not sure about the medical establishment, as they are only unwilling participants in this conspiracy; for the most part. They still get their money (peanuts, for the most part) from medicare, while they are being relentlessly harassed by the pharmaceutical companies as they push their drugs into circulation. So, your assumption is half correct.

Thank G ..... almost said it then! Thank pharmaceutical and healthcare companies for lansoprazole, sumatriptan, dothepin, atenolol, bendroflumethiazide, anaesthetics, antibiotics, antivirals, (oh, the list is too long) or I'd be dead or suffering (more). It's politicians who are the problem. We need stiffer regulations and rules. Then the whole medico-pharmaceutical industry might work better. But we need them undoubtedly.

I'm also grateful for sumatriptan. But I do wonder and worry about many of the prescription drugs out there. We like to call any unwanted reactions to these drugs "side effects." I have to laugh when I see the latest TV commercials for prescription drugs, which obviously must disclose all the bad with the good. Take the sleep-aid Lunesta. First we see a calming, happy butterfly. Everything is nice and peaceful. Everyone is smiling, sleeping soundly, and then waking up cheerful and refreshed. This is followed by a quicker-paced description of ALL possible effects of this medicine: confusion, clumsiness, dizziness, aggressive behavior, violent mood swings, amnesia, agitation, depression, and hallucination. Ater hearing all that, the final appearance of the butterfly is of little comfort. Perhaps the company pushing this drug might do even better without advertising? Maybe it's just me, but even if I have no interest in an advertised drug, I really don't want to hear a long list of all of its health hazards, which often includes a number of potentially catastrophic "side effects."

Natural supplements are potentially less likely to have toxic side effects than man-made medicines. But since they can't be patented, there's no incentive for the pharmaceutical companies to set up and conduct studies on anything they cannot own and profit from. Of course, we're free to walk into any health food store and buy anything we choose, without a prescription. But natural supplements are not regulated, so we never really know what we're getting. That being said, I think there is evidence that many natural substances actually live up to the claims. The challenge is first to distinguish the truly beneficial product from the "snake oil," and then to find consistent, controlled, high-quality brands of those supplements known to be effective.

Certain natural supplements like cannabis, coca, mescal, certain mushrooms, and opium are severely regulated.

Regulated right off the map, for sure--and this provides a clear indication of what could happen if the government controlled the production and sale of all natural supplements. While it would be nice to have an overseer to enforce safety measures and to ensure that the consumer gets what he pays for, bad things will happen if ever the government gets involved. I do feel for those idiots who waste their money on snake oil and/or poison themselves. Let's just hope they all keep a low profile until the Darwin effect takes care of them.

This is an important political issue and reinforces the need for an informed public to be involved politically. Part of the Republican corporatist (fascist) agenda is to protect corporations from those annoying consumer lawsuits when they do evil things like falsely advertise, negligently sell harmful products, or otherwise rip off consumers. They have already succeeded in restricting consumers rights to recourse in the courts. The next time you see one of those full page newspaper ads or political TV commercial decrying those "greedy trial lawyers" you will know where they're coming from: the urge to tie the hands of the consumer ever tighter.

LETS TRY AND STAY ON TOPIC HERE I SPEND ENOUGH TIME ON ALEX JONES WEBSITE WWW.INFOWARS.COM FOR ARE YOUR POLITICAL NEEDS.

HELP ME OUT HERE GUYS

Just to point out that the internet is full of "experts", who are quite (most?) often unqualified to offer advice on anything, never mind potential dangerous medicines/nutrients/supplements etc whether natural or synthetic. The forum and this board is not intended to be an authoritative voice or advisor on this area. The discussions are for general feelings, lay opinions etc and should not be taken as clinically safe. Many Forum members are interested in, but not qualified to offer advice on nootropics, neuroleptics or any type of drug. And..... there is no known drug (natural or otherwise) that has no side-effects. Those purported to have no side-effects (of which there are a small few) may well have some discovered in the future. Remember, the compound itself might be identical to a natural chemical, but when administered as a drug will have different properties due to a range of factors (includes mode of administration, dosage [related to an individuals characteristics, such as age, sex, body weight, state of health, other medication] etc, etc. So beware.

Yes i know ive been apart of many forums. Im not someone that just lets people spoon feed me the news and believe everything I hear. THanks for lookin out tough.

That's: G O O G L E . . .GOOGLE

So im having trouble with anyones involvement in discussion over at IMmnis institute. Is there any reason for this? I need a board that has active users who are not biased. Im having difficulty with getting help. I went on PUBmED but its to technical for me. Anyone suggest a better source or know how I can get better use out of PUBMED?????

What kind of involvement? What is too technical about Pubmed? Like code buttons suggested, try google.

Well its obvious look at the posts of mine they arent getting any responses and the replys are answers that dont apply to my questions. As far as PubMed goes.....when i was looking up pyritinol last night i couldnt find much claims about its use for ADD or memory, focus, motivation etc. Its just a bunch of studies that dont have relevant informtion. Im sure im using it wrong. It just didnt seem very useful in getting information I wanted

G-O-O-G-L-E

LifeMirage, where are you? I thought you were the self-appointed expert at nutrition! Help this poor man!

no i dont want to use google and stop treating me like im some idiot. I need help and I know there are educated people here on this.

Bump

If you feel your diagnosis was incorrect you should need to get a second opinion.



It's best to try only 1 compound at a time especially at your young age.

The usually dose for Pyritinol varies from 200-1,200 mg. I would recommend starting out at the lowest dose and gradually increase as needed.

LifeMirage do you mean dont use adderall and pyritinol at the same time? Also I got a second opinion and even a third. All the doctors I run into say that im ADHD and that I need to stay on my adderall medication. So i do because I dont know what else there is that works. Heres what I was working on doing. I thought that on the days that im not planing on doing alot of studying like monday wedsday and friday, as well as Saturday on occasion. The rest of the days I plan on doing more than an hour of studying. Now as far as the dosage of adderall goes Im going to ween myself off here by doing a 10mg dosage 3 times a day on the off days (no studying more than an hour and just using it for class) and then on the days I need extra time to study(tuesday, thursday, and saturday or sunday) I will bump back up to 20mg 2 times a day. So far things are going ok just difficult to change to this. As far as the pyritinol goes Ive been sticking with the 200mg 3 times a day. I take one right when I get up on a empty stomach, then eat something then go to class. Right before class I take adderall 10mg then an hour later take another pyritinol 200mg and then after school mid day I take my 3rd last one. Seems to be working out ok. What do you think about this method. Today I bumped my speed up on the walking cardio at the mall and that helped a bit.

Well ideally you don't want to be taking 2 drugs for ADHD. I would suggest using one or the other.

Salesman, if you are mentally unable to assess and research the drugs you take or are considering taking, then you should be listening to your doctor and not petitioning online advice. It's your responsibility, or if you're mentally unfit, then it's your doctors responsibility, but stop trying to shift the responsibility for your own actions onto other people. It's just plain irresponsible.

If im only supposed to take one drug then what are all these people doing with the stacks of nootropics and all there vitamins and supps?

why don't you ask your doctor?

You obviously have a medical condition and need proper treatment. Given your young age and the fact you are on a prescription drug you have to be very careful with what you take and need to review everything with your doctor.

Thats what im trying to tell you guys I have asked my doctor and I have asked other doctors and they all tell me the same thing. Why dont you believe me. Doctors arent going to be right all the time. Thats why Im going to alternative route. Im not new to everything. Just cause I say im a newbee to nootropics doesnt mean im a newbee to everything else. Ive had blood work done before and everythings come out normal.

sleep doctor and my psychiatrist both told me to get on adderall. My family practioner told me to get on a sleep drug lenesta and i wont because those things are not going to fix it just coverup the problem.