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Trip like I do
Change is a process not an event!

'Fatigue Crack Propogation'
Guest
isn't an event a process in the limit as the process's time goes to zero? Or alternatively, isn't an event an instanteous process?
Guest
or alternatively, can't any process be decomposed into a series of events?
maximus242
hmm id make the assumption that it would..
Guest
Maximus... an opinion may or may not be truth!!!!
Trip like I do
Pursue aims in indifferene to perceptual reality, and motivate eroticised phantasmagoria that affect the subjects perception of the world to make a mockery of empirical objectivity.
maximus242
mm I cant tell how many guests their are lol, anyways your opinion is the truth for your personal reality, we all have realities and all have our own truths..
cerebral
Trip, how do you propose motivating eroticised phantasmagoria?
Trip like I do
visually....and cognitively.
maximus242
in other words eleminate materalisitc emperialism through an eroticied programme consiting of phantasmorgia, this will in turn change the views of the subjects and ultimatly allow them to search for something aside from materialistic goods. Now why it is eroticized.. if I may speculate Trip, the eroticism adds to the appeal which in turn further opens the door for change?
mayonaise
Is this an intuitive idea of yours? Have you tested it out? What were the results? Why do you think it would work with other people?
Trip like I do
QUOTE(cerebral @ Mar 01, 03:20 PM) *

Trip, how do you propose motivating eroticised phantasmagoria?


First off, do you know what I mean by phatasmagoria?

QUOTE(maximus242 @ Mar 01, 04:17 PM) *

....Now why it is eroticized.. if I may speculate Trip, the eroticism adds to the appeal which in turn further opens the door for change?


Think of Freud and the underlying significance of the sexual libido. 'Inserting' fragments, or hints, phantasmigorically, into the visual character of reality, i.e. phallic symbols is one example.
Shawn
no-one believes Freud.

But Jung on the other hand, he had some interesting thoughts.
Trip like I do
....please elaborate Shawn?

How about Lacan?
Shawn
I don't know enough about Lacan to say, though what I've read about him through second-hand sources sounds interesting enough.

About Freud, he tries to explain too much through sex. It seems like he over-reacted to the sexual inhibitions of the Victorian era. While sex is important, it is not as important as Freud would like us to believe. Even he admitted that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Jung was the mystically-inclined pupil of Freud and offers a completely different perspective on things.

Trip like I do
lol, I agree.

Yet it is an historical interpretation that today remains at the foundation/root of today's intellectual thought that has been mapped and overlaid across many disciplines.

Not everything he formulaed is/was invalid and irrellevant. There remains traces, vestiges, phantasms!

I just got into Lacan this year and he seems merely to be an extension or branch of Freudian thought, but in a more linguisticly articulated (wordy) manner. Definitely interesting nonetheless.
Shawn
I would be interested to learn more about Lacan.

About Freud, whether his emphasis on sex is correct or not, I do think his psychoanalytic dynamics is significant in that it opens the door for interpreting his Id. Ego, and SuperEgo (or alternatives) in neural terms.
Trip like I do
.... ah yes, the fundamentally concrete (objective) vs. the mystical and mysterious(subjective).


Does't the new quantum physics allow for mystical and mysterious validations of reality?

I'll look into my Lacan notes and see if I can dig out any relevant and interesting thoughts.

I'm just so swamped right now with various projects, undertakings and responsibilities! Time! I need more time, or at least a way to slow it down so as to accomplish more.
Shawn

QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Mar 02, 05:17 PM) *
Does't the new quantum physics allow for mystical and mysterious validations of reality?


http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5936
Guest
QUOTE(Shawn @ Mar 02, 02:18 PM) *

QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Mar 02, 05:17 PM) *
Does't the new quantum physics allow for mystical and mysterious validations of reality?


http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5936

OnlyNow
QUOTE(Guest @ Mar 02, 05:28 PM) *

QUOTE(Shawn @ Mar 02, 02:18 PM) *

QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Mar 02, 05:17 PM) *
Does't the new quantum physics allow for mystical and mysterious validations of reality?


http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5936


Doesn't it just figure that I would accidentally show up as a guest? I guess I was freaked out by what I just read in this URL. I knew about photons behaving as particles when observed vs. waves when not...but carrying this little dilemma to the extreme is even more mind blowing. The past just as fluid as the future? If this is true, then where are we at? What can we count on? Back to square one?

I'm wondering if our current human brain will ever find a way to figure out quantum physics. But what are the ramifications of creating a brain that is "more than human"? Is there a concern that it might find a way to destroy us? I think the human race as it now stands is pretty messed up, and maybe a superior being would do away with us. (I'm really new to this, so don't laugh.)
Trip like I do
Well, we do know QP allows for portals to travel through space and time. What cultural devices allow for this temporal wormholing/tunneling through space and time?
Rick
QUOTE(OnlyNow @ Mar 02, 03:52 PM) *
... But what are the ramifications of creating a brain that is "more than human"? Is there a concern that it might find a way to destroy us? I think the human race as it now stands is pretty messed up, and maybe a superior being would do away with us. (I'm really new to this, so don't laugh.)

See this page from RoboEthics:

http://www.scuoladirobotica.it/roboethics/.../index.php?id=4
Trip like I do
QUOTE(Shawn @ Mar 02, 04:42 PM) *

I don't know enough about Lacan to say, though what I've read about him through second-hand sources sounds interesting enough.

About Freud, he tries to explain too much through sex. It seems like he over-reacted to the sexual inhibitions of the Victorian era. While sex is important, it is not as important as Freud would like us to believe. Even he admitted that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Jung was the mystically-inclined pupil of Freud and offers a completely different perspective on things.



Freud may say that this was a defence mechanism being mobilized and employed by you, i.e. reaction formation or rationalization?
maximus242
mm intresting point Trip but is it possible that freudian theorum has a logic that can counter any arguments? thus does the theory in itself provide a self sustaining meathod, unopen to change? For example I could make the statement anything that is not visible cannot exist, now how might you prove me wrong? of course the other four senses, but lets say for a moment I only have one sense. How could you prove me wrong now?
Trip like I do
Do you only have one sense?
maximus242
Haha no but thats beside the point, with the freudian theorum it is self sustaining and can counter any argument because it has its own logic, here is another example of a conversation..

Why dont you go outside? Their is no reason to go outside everything is provided for us

But what about things outside of here, dont you want to see anything? The leader protects us from harm, the outside is harmful, you are from the outside and so your ideas will harm us.

But how do you know that the outside is harmful? You are harmful so your question is harmful and so I should not listen or answer your questions

Now I am certainly not trying to imply that freud has this simple of logic. I am simply trying to give another example of inarguable logic where any question can be countered with their logic.
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