....amen to that! It is a self-discovery that can not neccessarily be taught. It is more of an intuitive personal development.

Ok. You got me confused when you talked about realities and god frequencies. OTOH, if these do still factor in to this "self-discovery" somehow, how?

I have no trouble accepting vast inner worlds and even some "quantumic interrelations" between them and the observable reality but I am skeptic about how far it is reasonable to go.

Okay mayonaise it looks like your having some trouble with this so I am going to spell it out for you

We all see reality diffrently and because of that have our own private realities

These private realities can be changed

Trip is trying to achieve self actualization by changing his private reality

The change that is being done to the private reality is so Trip can see things from a more unhindered view

This unhindered view will allow him to understand himself much better

This change in the private reality and the deep understanding of himself will allow him to achieve self-actualization..

Do not focus on going to diffrent realities, focus on understanding yourself, this alone will cause you to view things diffrently.

Wow. If that really is all he meant, man... we really have a different self-development vocabulary, me and trip...

it sounds a lot easier than it is, changing your perception and then gaining a incredible insight into yourself isnt something you can just get up and do..

oo I should also point out that non linear though has been achieved, way back people started seperating the right and left hemispheres of the brain, this was so a trauma in the left or right brain would allow a person to go on by seperating them. But what happened was they acted independantly of each other, and since the right brain is responsible for non linear and the left for linear the right brain managed to become non linear so for non linear aim for the right brain lol..

I think a lot of insights just come even in meditation and there are many easier ways like TMS. Meditation is not easy but it's not very hard either, in my experience. Unless you aim for maximum speed and results.

"Introducing NLD to the system" (maybe a better term?) is bound to be more complex in a complete brain.

btw, it will require a lot of 1-1/forum interaction and the creative use of other modalities like art (stories, movies) to make even people interested in self-actualization to understand the potential of technology in this pursuit. I've seen deep-woven skepticism where I thought it would not be common.

I don't count on seeing everyone convert though. Not even close.

Okay well I have found another very intresting toy that uses frequencies. This one is patent #06052336 it uses high carrier waves to make a subject hear things inside their head as opposed to the SS which is entirely subliminal hearing. Mayonaise I think we could use goldwave to produce this effect, it seems to take the binaurial beats to a whole new level, you use a 20khz+ ultrasonic freq with another 20khz+ ultrasonic freq that is modulated with a voice, you then modulate the entire thing to produce a freq that is at human hearing but is heard like its coming from inside your head, i am still reading about it but thats what i have so far

That's cool but what's the use? :-) I came across that sometime and thought that for harassing it might be wonderful and as a kind of trippy toy too.

I read it some of it again and it would not surprise very much that a parabolic reflector could be used to transmit sounds.

Btw a documentary claimed that the US military used used subliminal sound in the Gulf war and that it was one of the major reasons the iraqi troops surrendered so quickly. Maybe they used parabolic reflectors?

Okay so far I managed to do this.. First get a voice recording, then modulate it with 30000 hz. After that I made a second frequency at about 25000 hz, I mixed these together and put them on one speaker. You can hear the 5000hz frequency as well as the voice but it is very staticy I am still figuring out how to eliminate the static.

Some of you may want to talk to sean of the abolitionist society. We are interested in a project to create a non-invasive rTMS device that will stimulate the pleasure centers, could be made cheaply, and be easy to use and tweak. as he put it:

"we haven't really gotten that far yet, we're mostly in the research and theory stage. It would be great to have money to offer as a prize for developing such a kit - similar to the X prize......."In a sense we're lucky because there haven't been many studies directed at stimulation of the pleasure centers - so it won't be too daunting in that respect. We'll need to fully understand the different treatment protocols, electronics, how best to stimulate the cerebellum to encourage
'downstream' stimulation of the reward centers, etc. "

hmm intresting tone, well I should have the first prototype built soon enough I am just doing some research for another thing right now so my time is divided between the two subjects. What the plan is to first see about magnetic stimulation and then from their go to tms, that way we will be able to properly asses the risks involved with a custom transcerebral magnetic stimulation device. I am currently finishing up with the carrier waves, we have the silent sound up and working but now I am trying to get the voice to skull to work better than the crap it has been giving me right now. Also we are going for the newer TMS models because it is safer and we wont need a cooling system along with the fact that their wont be 100db+ of noise for the neighbors to listen to haha.

You used a regular speaker? Call me dense but I don't get what the benefit is? Just to see if the frequencies work and then go buy the parabolic reflector to use it on masses? (if I still did demonstrations, it would be a wicked tool there)

Um the parabolic reflector is soley for focusing the waves better, you can still accomplish the same thing with regular speakers, the idea is to simply have one frequency in one ear and other in the other ear.. Thats why you can use regular speakers or headphones Also note that their is two versions of the patent their is the two speaker system for the masses and the one speaker system for honing in on a individual I have tried both and they both work but not that well which is why I am still trying to figure out how to make the voice clearer and the frequency unheard.. hmm maybe diffrent volumes..

What I was saying was, if a have someone in my room who I want to freak out, like a salesman or a Jehovah's Witness, could I put on your record and both of us would hear someone speaking inside our heads? Would it be that convincing?

Coil design for depth TMS

I was searching for "vanadium permendum" to find more information about the material and I'm quite happy about having found this patent. Basically it's a coil design termed "Hesedcoil" and it can, unlike most or any (?) other designs, produce a current of 60 V/m at the depth of 6 cm. I don't know how much exactly that is but they say "thus surpassing the threshold activation potential for neurons at these depths in the brain" and ALL areas can be reached. That means nucleus accumbens, ventral tegmental area, even the amygdala.

They also say coils with vanadium permendum are expensive to make. This design can be made from any conducting metal.

Maybe someone could comment on how difficult it is to make.

mm I am not familiar with the metal you are talking about mayonaise but it is true that you can make a coil out of any conductive metal. The electrical current that passes through emits a magnetic field, this occurs on any device that has electricity going through it. The idea is to enhance this effect with a series of coils and thus you can get a stronger magnetic emmision when you do so. As for the Hesedcoil it looks complicated and seems to be made up of a series of precise current flows. It is also a unusual design i havent seen this strange frame type coil before, I would also look into the danger of the frame being placed directly on the head, check to see what kind of heat is generated because it has happened before where scalps have been singed due to the coil overheating. Definatly a intresting design but this is how I would go about looking at it:
1. Safety
2. Getting it to work
3. Using it

Check and see how safe it would be, what kind of problems can be caused and how hard it is to make and check to see what kind of knowlege you need to use it.

I would be very disappointed if the device we builld would not offer the amount of sheer power that this has. On the other hand it might be better to safer to start with something that mostly affects the surface.

My point is that at least my motivation would increase exponentially for something really powerful, a powertool rather than a screw driver. Oh btw it seems there is a catch-22 here. Because if both this and the vanadium coil are hard to make, then we're left with the old ones and deal with noise and cooling... which is not so cool, or even easy, to deal with.

The fact that the coil is used on or very near the scalp is necessary for deep penetration:

"the extension has two components extending radially of the base in order to reduce creation of a surface charge in the subject's tissue, such as a surface charge on the brain of the subject. This surface charge can interfere with and reduce the strength of the electric field produced by the coil portions in the base."

One would think that safety would been built as part of the design.

It is true that one often needs to have the device close or even on the scalp in order for the proper penetration levels to be achieved. However dont the mistake of assuming that because something is patented it is safe, their is plenty of military weapons that are patented and those are certainly not safe, I reccomend checking things out before trying them on yourself lol. Also think about what you are trying to get out of the deivce, deep penetrating magnetic fields are useless if you dont have a use for them..

Also note that we might use the neotonus version of tms due to the range of advantages it presents
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?...=%22neotonus%22

What would you do with the ability to boost activity in nucleus accumbens, ventral tegmental area, cingulate cortex, medial prefrontal bundle? :-)

The difference between a military weapon and this is, that this has not been designed to be a weapon ;-)

hmm mayonaise it just needs to be understood that you can patent something as a medical device and it does not need to be safe, its the FDA's job to determine what can and cannot be used for medical purposes. What I am saying is do you have a use for the high power tms? I mean do you have any conditions or reasons for the higher power tms? not what the world might find useful but you.. I am intrested in using tms for a variety of applications but I dont need to cure a mental disease because I dont have one. Besides that I think so far neotonus is are best bet, it is researched by a company and has a history of sucess that we can build off of.

I share your concerns, I just thought that the "military weapon"-part was a bit far-fetched.

Yes I have a neurological and mental condition and I can most certainly use it but from what I've learned, it is not uncommon to have deficient perfusion in mid-brain circuits. Also, it might be serious fun to be temporarily able to turn off, say, the amygdala. Who would need psychedelics anymore :-)

If it's true that the "neotonus" was patented by a company and this was not, then that increases it's, for lack of a better word, "assumed reliability", but it does have the downsides which I wrote about earlier (if it's the same patent with the vanadium permendum core -- there are many of these...)

I agree but the diffrence I find with neotonus is the medical community is buying their product and they are one of the 3 major tms suppliers so they do have a bit more credibility. Although I am not saying others should be discounted I am saying that due to the medical nature of the device a large corperations model may be the safer approach.

I think TMS is a very exciting ideal and if we could get one to run without the old model downfalls then we would have enormous potential, everything from nonlinear thinking to solving highly complex equations would be at our fingertips. It would simply be a matter of stimulating the proper areas to achieve the desired affect. I am intrested in attempting to turn my brain on ultra creative mode for lack of a better word. I am already a creative person and am intrested in how creative I can get when under the effects of TMS.

Yes, although when I make this a tms, I'll can't escape the fact that I will have to be a guinea pig, no matter how many times I check the math. And that means that it may now matter what the design is, except that the harder it is, it is more likely there will be some faults in the construct. A sitter might be useful anyway.

I am really investing my time to this and one other project because I need them. It will be interesting to see to how long will it take to have something going. I would like to think "2 months" but I usually I overestimate my abilities.

hmm well I am currently finishing up some research along with this work. I do have to figure out a few things before I can move on fully to TMS I have read 10 bloody books and im still not done lol. Anyways I will lend what skills I can, I have to get into somemore electronic end work again so I will try and simplify the construction of a neotonus TMS and hopefully we can get one up and running, only down fall is my lack of a EEG but fortunatly you have one mayonaise so at least someone will be able to figure out what is going on when a version is up and running.. thats my next step is a OpenEEG

10 books already?? Seriously? respecta maan!

If you're not satisfied with the soundcardeeg, then check out pceeg before you start building OpenEEG. Because it's supposed to be a lot simpler, yet offer the same features. I don't know about the software support, you'll have to check if you can use OpenEEG software with it.

Have you given thought to where you're going to have the cores made ? Use a local company or search for one and then send them the plans. And what the cost will be. I guess it wouldn't take much work to cut out the core plans from the patent and then query for a price on 1) vanadium permendium, 2) 3% grated steel and possible other materials, that were not listed in the patent...

Okay I have gotten further on my Audible sound with Ultrasonic carrier wave device but I am still unsure of how I will get the proper effects, anyways when I get it all up and running il post the formula.

http://www.abolitionist-society.com/forum/...topic.php?t=262

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