The essence of Buddha´s Middle Way can be summed up in a few words: Something too hard snaps. Something too soft folds.

SOUL is a bridge between spirit and body and , as such, is a uniter of opposites. Soul exists in the balance of spirit and matter.

Within the experience of truth



What you focus on grows. If you seek demons you will find them.
The point still stands. You rely on your rules of majority and so did those that followed the majority that feared sailing off the edge of the world when it was flat.
There is something inside of you that is beyond the need to follow the herd but you don't believe in it because fear is greater in your universe than love.

Essentially there is only ONE soul of which exudes many facets of creative intelligence. What do I know of your term soul essence? I know that you brought it up and that you have your own belief about what is and that it would most likely fall within the parameters of your recognition and definition of isness.
I also know that if you want to, your going to tell me about it.

When one is not united with ones creation the ego perceives it as separate, that it is happening regardless or inspite of ones personal desires. As such a running program exists in the facet of the soul until it has run its course to come back home so to speak, to return to itself. Like a computer virus that is planted in a hard drive, you can dissassemble the computer and build a new one but if the hard drive is used again it will re-emerge in the new computer. Unless it is physically removed or it evolves it continues to exist.
Many think that one lifetime is it, that reincarnation is a myth and that one facet of intelligence and experience cannot pass from one dimensional sphere in the matrix of time to another, and that all problems created thru belief are only created in the one lifetime. This is not true of course.

Didn't think so


Yes though there isn't a total, the underlying concepts or universal laws that support experience within the spheres of existence are qualified by boundaries that maintain the reality of time, experience and total time.
Re-incarnation is often misconstrued within the context of time, this being misunderstood the multidimensional aspect of the Self isn't grasped but projected from belief. Experiences that bleed from one experience of the now into another experience of the now are often ignored because the mind is not used to extending perception beyond one thing at a time let alone 1000 things at a time. This is also because the mind that lives within the limits of universal laws, or what are called the Gunas are blocked from perception of multidmensional realities. The mind has to elevate itself in awareness and being to be free of the gunas.

Rise above the three Gunas, and be Self-conscious, O Arjuna. ( 2.45)
-Bhagavad Gita-

note how Joesus conveniently disregards what he cannot answer or is afraid to answer.

Mt 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

polly want a cracker?

if only you actually had any pearls, but alas, you have nothing but hot air and thinly-veiled narcissistic disorder!

Ok that's it, I officially recognize that you do not want to be my friend..


Sheesh!

what does 'friend' mean to you, that they blindly accept what you tell them? I am too rich for that.

Joesus:

No it never was about anyone believing what I said. I never tell anyone to believe what anyone else says. I always point one towards their own heart.
You just assumed I was trying to make you and everyone believe what I have said should be what you believe. The whole point in this topic is that others should not believe what another believes or try to influence another to think any differently than they wish to believe, which I believe was the intention when you said.
I've found my direction albeit one you can't understand or agree upon, but you judge it and have determined the direction should be different. Perhaps even have a direction in mind that I should take.
You haven't been objective enough to point at anything but your personal disdain for my own choices, so obviously I have no interest in following you down a path which is filled with so much resentment towards others. It may work for you but it ain't for me. Sorry.
And I was being facetious about the friend thing, but you knew that already.

Nice illustrations Plato

Joesus, I have never condemned your choice or your path. I exhort people to go beyond themselves, to push themselves more, to become more. Perhaps this is not the best policy for everyone, I realize that, but it is a deeply engrained aspect of me so it is how I act by nature.

Where we fundamentally disagree is over satisfaction versus dissatisfaction. You choose to be satisfied, I choose otherwise because it motivates me to become and do more.

Our different views are quite independent of being or not being friends.

What you focus on grows. I would never try to take your dissatisfaction away from you. God forbid!!

Makes a lot of sense to me. This is the kind of thing on which we are focussing in a new congregation of the United Church of Canada to which I belong. Based on the ideas spoken about in http://www.progressivechristianity.ca/
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http://WWW.PATHWAYSCHURCH.CA new site, in construction
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By calling ourselves progressive, we mean that we:

1. center our faith on values that affirm the sacredness and interconnectedness of all life, the inherent and equal worth of all persons, and the supremacy of love expressed actively in our lives as compassion and social justice
2. engage in a search that has roots in our Christian heritage and traditions
3. embrace the freedom and responsibility to examine traditionally held Christian practices and beliefs, acknowledging the human construction of religion, and in the light of conscience and contemporary learning, adjust our views and practices accordingly
4. draw from diverse sources of wisdom, regarding all as fallible human expressions open to our evaluation of their potential contribution to our individual and communal lives
5. find more meaning in the search for understanding than in the arrival at certainty, in the questions than the answers
6. encourage inclusive, non-discriminatory, non-hierarchical community where our common humanity is honoured in a trusting atmosphere of mutual respect and support
7. promote forms of individual and community celebration, study, and prayer which use understandable, inclusive, non-dogmatic, value-based language by which people of religious, skeptical, or secular backgrounds may be nurtured and challenged
8. commit to journeying together, our ongoing growth characterized by honesty, integrity, openness, respect, intellectual rigor, courage, creativity, and balance
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Cheers, Joesus !
You are on the right track -- You have higher knowledge and understanding.
Your weak point -- You intellectualize and explain too much.
The words of the Utterer of the Law are few, they are simple and clear, but they carry the weight of the Cosmos.

Lindsay:

Without understanding what can move in those spaces, any future outcome can be questionable? Especially if you had settle your mind on what was limited from a "science perspective?"

You had to understand that the developement has to be in concert with the expressions of the science in order for what ever that church is to become. Less than, the understanding will have then been a "perpetuation of the illusons held too?"

That would be "untruthful" to what constitues what "seeing" is supposed to mean. Hence, untruthful to the congregation about the views curently held on science? You noticed I never said anything about "my beliefs on God" or yours?

"Progressive," means to be in tune?

I find that many who believe that the enlightened should appear a certain way, often believe that too many words show a sign of weakness. I also find that it is mostly impatience that drives the mind to seek instant gratification rather than absorbing everything that is around ones self.

My Teacher was one who with a few well placed words could turn one at the right moment but his discourses were also at times long and I found myself at times uninterested.
I have since found myself a bit more open to whatever it takes in surrender and in service, and to observe with more patience.
Sometimes the discourse is long sometimes its short. I don't think about who I'm talking to I think about what is being brought forth in my own awareness and without trying to please anyone else I seek to meet the moment.
Sometimes I have a lot on my mind, sometimes nothing at all.

But I appreciate the comment, I can distract myself at times.

I have seen no-one here intellectualizing too much. What an ignorant thing to say! Go back to school.

lucid dream, that comment was addressed to Joesus, and he will understand it.

yes I know, and my comment was addressed to you.

lucid dream, Wake Up !

99% is a bit much, isn't it? Are you telling us that only 1% of our population are secular humanists?

LD asks Ouch! This is a rhetorical question which makes a sweeping generalization and wrongly assumes that all Christians, Jews, Muslims, whatever, are "primitive" and non-thinkers.

The Gospel according to LD seems to be: And replace it with what, secular humanism? Or what?

LD's rant continues The "right direction"? Interesting. I can't wait.

Can you stop deluding yourself? Can you start taking existential responsibility and pull the wool off your eyes?

Truth is better than fiction

I wouldn't say better...it depends on the fiction. I love as much truth as it is possible for us to know and experience. Feel free to share any that you may have.

BTW, I see much of value in existentialism. I see it as a philosophy with can help that which is of value in objective materialism and subjective idealism to come together. I am not a fan of anything with tends to divide people from one another. This is why I like to think that the principles of emanationism will help evolutionism and creationism to come closer together.

I also love good fiction, which often contains much that is true, in principle.

If it's your truth then obviously you will be biased in your opinions and experiences. If Truths are personal and all things being equal in the eyes of God then all truths are fictional because they are based on personal beliefs and individual experiences.
Even though many experience what they say is the same thing such as a blue sky the fact is they as individuals experience blue sky in their own way.

History has shown through evolution that Truths expand and evolve. Some fall away in the light of greater truths others transform and pose greater questions leaving the preceding generalized truth full of unanswered questions or holes due to the inability to accept the statement of truth without question or doubt.
Each of us has within us the cognitive ability to rationalize based on our points of reference.
Each person carries programs of information, absorbed through interactions with those we give authority to, such as parents families, teachers, newspapers, Television newscasts, politicians etc.

If you return the mind to innocense, beyond the programs of duality and prejudice, there lies a greater truth, that is the Truth which supports all beliefs and experiences in the evolution of awareness and experience of what is inside of each of us.
Fear creates division and ego builds on division to protect individual truths so that one may feel that they are righteous within their individual experience and their truth. The pride of the ego cannot accept anything less than to believe they have done the best they can even at the expense of degrading others in their beliefs and experiences.
The ego then builds a system of measure so that it may continually take itself back to that system and reinforce its self worth. To remain in control and in front is primary to its existence.

Hitler created this with the belief in Aryan superiority and the attempted genocide of the jews.

There are people living today, attempting to find methods and initiate laws to shorten the lives of retired people who they find are useless to society, and are using up vital resources of those who they believe are more productive.
This type of thinking that seeks out problems to find a solution to personal dissatisfaction of life is often masked by the belief that there is no gain without pain.

Once again I'm not trying to take away your dissatisfaction as a motivator for your expansion and growth Lucid. But I know that desire does not need an excuse unless you believe it does.
Understanding and acceptance is not complacency. Tolerance comes with understanding and the knowledge of when to change the things that can be changed comes with wisdom.

Creating systems of measure to decide what is useful and what is not is great when it comes to the things in your garage, but when it comes to society and nature, your going to butt heads with every Joe/Jane who has an opinion.

but that's where you're wrong.



Oh look, it's Joesus!

bump

Jeosus is burnt-out. He's taking a brake and not listening.

Not burned out, patiently waiting..

I´m glad you´re back, Joesus !

patiently waiting for enlightenment or do you believe you've found it? Joesus do you believe in predestination (see Ephesians 1:4-6 for example)? Or that some of us are predestined to enlightenment and god-consciousness? If so (and since the bible says so, you must believe, right?), then what do you believe has been predestined for you?

My thoughts are, a lot of people talk a lot about enlightenment, and some try to impose their values and beliefs on others in a comical play of power, but in spite of all of this hoopla, only a few are chosen... (or choose, according to perspective)
Know what I mean?

Enlightenment is not something you find it is something you live.

I read the bible and if it resonates with Truth it ignites Truth within me but I do not believe the bible is accurately transcribed word for word in the forms it now exists.
I do understand karma, dharma and the principles of natural law that support desire. I also believe that karma that has begun its motion will play itself out in form according to the natural laws that supported its birth, evolution and completion. I do know however that consciousness is not bound to the same natural laws as the evolving manifestation of karma and dharma, so as the manifestaion of human form walks a path toward the completion of a goal the awareness can walk another path in witness to the form.
So to answer your question there are those who will not achieve enlightenment in a single lifetime because those individuals are destined to accomplish other things.
If an individual however recognizes within themself the reality of enlightenment and walks that path, as they so become formless the reality of the forms in individuality are reduced to the thoughts of the one mind, rendering the scripture that was meant to resonate at a level of consciousness to a past level of awareness and intellectual meaning. This would be like jumping from childhood to adulthood where all childhood meanings no longer have value to the adult. (See 1 Cor 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.) As far as my destiny is concerned, what I think about it is not important. Just as you have precognitive dreams, I have some of my own yet they are sometimes only indicative of possible futures due to the nature of change that can take place in the manifest according to focus and the choices I make in directing focus. There may be certain designs that are meant to come to fruition but how you get there and the time it takes is not predetermined. Just as any trip is subject to sideroads and detours so human life experience is affected by the choices we make along the way.
Surrendering to the supreme being is the immersion into the One consciousness, like flowing with a river rather than scrambling to grasp the branches on the shorline in hopes to gain insight to the direction it takes or is going to end is the only way to prevent suffering caused by fear that is projected from the mind in separation. The mind rests during the slow and deep parts of the river and acts as is necessary when the water speeds up, but does not fight with the rocks that come up, but rather flows around them with the water. A river is made up of drops of water which evaporated from the sea and fell as rain, or passed through rock to form upon the land. The inevitable outcome of any river is that it is reunited with the Ocean from which it originally came.
The same outcome is inevitable for everyone who is born from the absolute. To return to the absolute.

Well that is one perspective, but from the perspective of the One as the mind dives into the unmanifest the others become what they really are which are only rays of thought from the one mind.
The One Soul is multidimensional and never really leaves its enlightened status. It is only the ego which is like ice forming on a ship making a journey through a freezing storm and becomes heavy in thoughts, that takes on an illusory nature of its own in beliefs and awareness that is outward rather than inward that feels separated, making judgments about the manifest in its origin and eventual destiny.
Destiny of return to origin is inevitable and so it is not so important to sit in the back seat and cry out, "Are we there yet!!???" But to climb into the drivers seat and make the most of the journey. You do this by bringing forth the power of absolute in both knowledge and form and inject it into the trip. This not only affects your experience but everything, and everyone around you.
The fact is everyone paid for their ride upfront and so it is up to each to make the most of it. Regardless of whether they forgot where they started or where it ends each has a choice to make the ride what it is in experience and understanding. You can turn away from Truth or toward it.

Do you really believe so, Lucid? And if so, what do you think the discerning criteria might be?

"Many are called but few are chosen"

I have come to find my freedom fighters -- the world needs the warriors of the spirit.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world !

Nature is selective with her creations. Look all around you to see Nature's modus operandi.

freedom from what? The illusions and small-mindedness that imprisons the bulk of humanity? How would you propose bestowing this wondrous gift of freedom, with words of wisdom or encouragement? Does everyone need to be free? Don't those in bondage serve a purpose?

Interesting question.
How about gullability in the desire to believe in Christianity or dedicated followers of Islamic belief, or Buddhists?

Do these types of people also serve a purpose? Or better yet does their experience and the corresponding presence of their beliefs and actions or lack of action serve a purpose in the evolution of their growth and that of humanity?

if a cockroach became more conscious and aware of self and circumstances, would it wonder whether his fellow cockroaches served a purpose? Sure, they've been around for 350 million years, which is far longer than humans, but what purpose do they serve? Do they have a right to existence? Who determines that right, except perhaps might? Does might (used both metaphorically and literally) make right? Apparently it does in a great many situations; just look to Nature for myriad examples. Survival of the fittest is the rule of the land; the weak perish, the strong thrive. The deaths of Christianity, Buddhism, and Islam are set in stone because they are weak, primitive (dare I say 'obtuse') fairy tales for those who wish to deal with surfaces only and preferably, pleasant-looking facades. I enjoy hastening the demise of these fairy tales when the opportunity arises because I have too much love for the untapped potential in man (call me an idealist...) and its realization (...and a pragmatist) to be satisfied with all the religious hoodwinking that goes on in the name of truth. That is the true blasphemy.

Will is such a mystery. How do you divine it? What is it?

Btw, I like your ice forming on a ship analogy. Never heard that one before.

Isn't the birth of each religion the surfacing of what is inside each human?
Being that we, (each human) does the best that we can according to what we know, (posibly not the best we can based on whatever you think is the ultimate potential) do you think telling a man while he is down and attempting to rise (in any direction), that he doesn't know what direction to take as an appropriate comment? There are lots of people doing that here and some are called preachers, some are called realists etc. etc.
Generally speaking, condemning someone without offering them something to replace what they know would only leave them empty and most likely uninterested. Obviously no one can be forced to think a certain way even tho some believe that you can influence someone to think a certain way.
I think that if someone is easily influenced it is only because they have started in the direction already.
Accidents don't happen in the universe as some believe. We tend to draw toward us that which resonates to our thoughts and feelings.
IF a man doesn't believe he can do something then he won't accomplish what he wants until that belief changes. You can paste a positive affirmation on top of the belief but the underlying belief is still chipping away at the affirmation countering the thought. Its like dropping one thought into the still pond of the mind and then dropping its opposite at the same time. Instead of the ripple affect reaching the shoreline of manifestation they crash into each other creating chop and often cancelling each other out.

That which births each religion is what lives inside of man. It can't die but it can be covered up, distorted or twisted into belief. The beliefs change and the distortions fall away in light of greater truth but still what is inside of each man cannot be killed unless it is the ego you are speaking of in its sparate identities that judge and create distance between the inner and the outer.

Each man/woman has to walk the path themselves because no one is going to do it for them. Even the idea that Jesus did something for humanity is often distorted to mean something according to relative truths that are saturated in limitation and belief in a universe that exists in judgment and separation. The kind of separation that keeps God separate from man and a separation that is conditional in terms of worth rather than awareness.

You have strong feelings about what you see around you and experience but you direct those feelings outward toward what exists as a result of outward focus.
You keep suggesting that no one delivers the truth in form of a solution to the problem but you yourself can't seem to find a replacement for the mind to make the changes.
I've heard you say go back to school but what school teaches the meaning of life? And what school has a reputation recognized by humanity to have the answers for each human being, with the personal goals and desires that exist within the diversity of humanity itself?

If you knew of such a place would you stand up and speak of it to humanity, even though you dislike so many of those that come here and do that very thing because they profess that it works for them?

I'm glad you like the ice forming on the ship idea, so let me ask you a question. Is your ship ice free and do you believe you see clearly?
Do you want to take the lead in directing humanity toward the best choice for their evolution, or are you in your commitment to remain dissatisfied with your present experience simply expressing your thoughts so that you might clear the rest of any ice that may remain on your ship?

If you don't understand the correlation between will and divinity then what is it that you speak of that is inside or untapped within man?
You must have somekind of idea or you wouldn't be dissatisfied with what you or with what others have. Are you running or walking toward something, or, running or walking away from something?
If you know what it is that you are doing can you see any resemblence in humanity of direction, confusion hesitation, disbelief, belief, frustration, dissatisfaction, happiiness or joy?

It would be presumpuous for me to say I am ice-free when I may well be all ice or something other than ship or ice. Metaphors, while elegantly capturing aspects of truth, also constrain and warp it, and only work to a certain extent.




I want both. There are myriad ways to lead. I lead in my own. Granted, the circle of influence is rather small (it's greater than 1 but less than 100,000) so I cannot say I am leading humanity towards anything for the time being. As for clearing the rest of the ice, noting what I said above about the limitations of metaphors, yes, I do believe in improvement and in clearer seeing and that is where my will takes me. "Man can do what he wants but not will what he wants".



Joesus, for a long time I believed they were synonymous, but on further reflection this is no different from saying that anything mysterious is God, which is a cop-out. Granted, will may be divine, but I want to know more than just this. The answer "God" should not be the end of our enquiries but should stimulate further inquiries. What is inside or untapped in man will not be understood until it is brought to light and made manifest. I have some ideas on this, but it is largely speculation.



It's more like giving birth to something with the attendant birth pangs.



For the most part, humanity has let me down and is not what it should be. What humanity should be, and how it is actually reflected in real people is a huge discrepancy. This is due to the gullibility and spiritual/mental weakness of many people. Hence you find billions of people blindly accepting religious tenets as truth on one day, and then committing atrocities, or worse of all, sloth and wasting their potential, on the other days. Probably 99.9% of people alive today feel no real purpose in life (waiting for your next paycheck or meal is not a real purpose) and do nothing but pollute and bring filth to the earth, both literally and figuratively. Mind you, I do not experience existence as filthy but holy and mysterious, and am struck by how little people live up to their potentials. Man is capable of much more than what he has realized and made manifest. He should not emulate or imitate the ape but should aim higher. Perhaps this is just the inner critic in me speaking; perhaps I shift my critical eye outwards so as not to have it turned inwards too much... perhaps. And perhaps I have a valid point whose truth transcends the individual's point of view.

No doubt you have silenced your inner critic through stilling of the mind, but for me, the inner critic motivates me to make changes. I have silenced the inner critic in the past, and could have it silenced now, but I choose not to, just as you choose to. It comes down to ethics and how we envision our minds should best be equiped to bring about change and make our world better. Without the inner critic, we remain content with a less than ideal world and do not take action. Of course, it's much more pleasurable to silence the inner critic, but ethical considerations should prompt you against this course of action. To have no inner critic is to effectively give up one's responsibility for making this world a better place. You can say that it's all in God's hands or whatever, but this is another cop-out. Accepting responsibility means that there are things today which must be changed on a world-wide basis. To silence one's mind (and inner critic) and attempt to pass the responsibility onto God or the One is irresponsible because it assumes that something other than one's self is in a better position to make decisions and bring about needed changes when in fact what is needed is the fully intact mind that has not been castrated, silenced, or otherwise subdued.

Stilling the mind does not in my experience end thought, or receptivity to surrender and service to humanity. In fact the only thing left for one who has achieved Self-realization is to serve humanity to reach its full potential. How this is done is much debated and often misunderstood.

If you could extend your holy perception of life from your self and the respect you have for your part to the rest of the manifest around you, to include humanity as you and your part, then the critic can be humbled to the reflection of the inner or the subtle internal gaps or chunks of clinging ice on the ship. Rather than standing in judgment due to comparisons formulated from perspectives of projection, one begins to notice what is taking place that is part and parcel to change not only in yourself, but also in that which is around you.

Granted there is much that can take place in the world to elevate human receptivity to the destruction of resources and the ignorance of Self-involvement each part has in the whole, but if you can see it, this is a reflection of the sundered parts of the self that are not yet fully united and functional to meet the potential you are aware of inside of humanity.
There is no point in smashing the seedling before it matures just because it isn't happening fast enough.
Some things just need to unfold as they must, and no force is going to change that no matter how much you disagree with it. It’s not unlike the birthing experience that is taking place within yourself, there is no point in judging the process or the speed in which it is taking place, so instead of letting the critic rule your emotional being by judging what is taking place in the process and letting the discontentment make you unhappy, rise above separation and judgment into wisdom and compassion.
You'll find the motivating factor within yourself is not fueled by dissatisfaction but natural desire to ascend the ignorance of separation and untapped potential. The dissatisfaction comes from judgment and fear you will not achieve your potential, and the emotional stress it creates in the nervous system hinders the ice from melting.

One can only take responsibility for their own awareness and offer what they can to those that are waiting for guidance and the experience of those who have something to give, so to grow themselves.
If you are helping more than 1 or less than 100,000, you have no need to worry about the others when you can give your attention to those who are listening.
If you can help one, that is more than most will do, and that is an accomplishment. Also, even if you haven't met them, there are probably more out there that are doing their part so you don't have to take responsibility for the rest of the world.
Faith in God is not just faith in some disembodied or mythical being but faith in God in the image of man. Man is not inherently evil, sometimes misguided but not inherently misguided.

I always appreciate your posts, Joesus. So when will you get around to writing the Psalms of Joesus, or something equivalent, or do you prefer the dialogues of the forum? It would be nice to have a book or collection of your thoughts since these offer refreshing perspectives to modern-day westernized minds that are receptive.

I think this is part of the understanding that is necessary. Which fragments attached themself to the ship. The ship becomes synonomous, with the travel of the soul. This happens a lot in terms of how the subconscious forms itself to the "meaning of" the journey of life?

But back to the quote. It's part of recognizing that these atributes of the child through the "soul's evoluting and becoming" that we may say the words as a parent, from we had unconciously garnerd, "as that child."

Somewhere between the parent and child rote systems are accumalated ,and from this "the choice to bring out the adult" in each of us?

So while one sees these aspects of oneself, awareness of what self is doing in context of this system(TA), helps to move the mind to watch what is being attached too, and what we recognize, as letting one go on it's own way(in respect of the adult in each of us?)? That each, is on a journey.

This is probably the most required "observation of self" is not to intercede where such thought and choices determines it's own soul conclusion, and lives according to them. You would have to see where each is making that decision and know when not to interrupt.

Part of this thinking has to do wth just living your own philosphy? Being who you are. The "process of change" in society is one of osmosis and can be suttle at times? In those images we choose and ask the part of self, whatis the deeper meaning, as it sees something that runs contrary to what it percieved and consolidated ? Change?

So what does observation and insight have to offer?

Good question.
There are so many books with variations on the theme and it seems that any topic can still be described in more ways than one. Not all descriptions are captured by any one voicing reflection as long as the one is not experienced in perception.
The bible seems to portray the Teachings of a man who himself never wrote anything, but met people where they were in the moment.
I guess this could inspire the question "do we as a collective draw toward us what is pertinent to our evolution through personal desire or inevitablity of change that takes place in the whole? Where does the personal begin and where does it end?"
I'm sure Jesus had lots to say but I doubt that everything he said is written down. The disciples seem to agree on certain verses since they are repeated in the bible in different books. What become memorable are those things that are key to each person and their growth. Maybe you'll take what you need from me and add it to what you gain in your own experience of what remains pertinent and write your book rather than me deciding what is important for you or western humanity.
If so let me know and I may read it.

I doubt that I'd be interested in reading what the allegded character "Jesus" said. What matters to me is what I think. And what I think is ever evolving into a most crystalized and precise form thanks to what you and others think and share with me. That's how it works.

... And I'm sure you'd rather keep them to yourself because they are too explosive, unconventional and expeculative to share with others. Well, I would like to hear them anyway. And feel free to use the PM if you wish.

thanks for the interest, code_buttons. I need to think more about how to express my thoughts on the matter.

Yes, Boy George seems to have taken a page out of that one ! The gospel according to "Patriots.". *LOL*