Anyone have any experience with using NLP? I have already done Hypnosis and understand conciousness and by passing it to the sub-councious, Pacing and Leading, Embedded Suggestion.

-thanks

the NLP literature makes for fun reading (at first anyway), but I haven't found any useful applications with it. Is advice like, "Be Cocky and Funny", really useful? And yes, I found this as the main theme in an NLP manual!

lol well from what I understand NLP is mostly use for hypnotherapy, overcoming phobias n such. What I like about it is that you use only conversation, no need to visualize someone into a trance or any special preperation. I have even heard of real estate agents using NLP to enforce more co-operativeness from the seller! lol so just get a little creative as far as applications are concerned. By the way do you have any examples of using NLP in conversation that you can provide

Amazing New Mind Power Secret

Almost all mind power books say that one has to visualize in order to get
results. But for me, and I dare say many of my friends/readers, visualizing is
extremely difficult: all I can summon up in my imagination is a vague picture,
lacking vivid colour and depth, lasting for no more than a second or two. This
left me very frustrated, and I was close to giving up mind power altogether
when I hit upon the idea which I will explain to you in a moment.
A friend of mine whose hobby was expensive hi-fi equipment had been saving
for a certain component costing just over $800. He had saved about $500
when, alas, he damaged his car. He was only insured for third party, fire and
theft, so he had to foot the bill for the damage which left him with only $25.
I thought that this would be a good opportunity for testing my idea. He
followed my instructions faithfully and within one month he had the component
in his bedroom. It happened that he won a competition in a magazine which
gave a first prize of $1000 worth of hi-fi of your choice from a large hi-fi
shop in London. This was the first time my friend, who frequently enters such
competitions, had won anything.
The results from this first test made me very excited so I decided to try a
second experiment with another friend of mine. He wanted a girlfriend, but he
wouldn't settle for any girl - he wanted a particular girl. For this reason it
cost him a few pounds to have a photograph of her, which he took secretly,
enlarged. This delayed the result of the experiment by a couple of weeks, but
had he not been so particular it would have happened more quickly because any
picture of a woman with similar features to what his ideal woman looked like
would have brought results. He got his girl in five weeks. He did not have to
try - she came to him.
Since these experiments with my friends I have enjoyed very satisfactory
results from using the same idea for myself. I have always wanted to play the
guitar and have tried many times, but with no success. In the past six months
I have progressed more than I ever thought possible; and can now even play
solos and lead breaks. I have also just ordered my first brand new car for
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delivery when the new registration comes out. It is costing over $7000 for
which I don't need a loan: I can pay cash which I think is not bad as I have
only just turned 21 years of age. I seem to be receiving money from all sorts
of unexpected sources, and I believe it is all down to the mind power idea I am
about to reveal to you.
The idea came to me after reading about the use of subliminal advertising in
cinemas in the 1950s, I think it was. A frame of the film being shown would
every so often contain the name of a brand of drink; but the name would not
be perceived by the viewer's consciousness. It was however noted by the
subconscious mind with the result that people would automatically seek out
the brandname drink in question, having no idea that they had been influenced
to do this by the film they saw! Eventually this form of advertising was made
illegal. I experienced what must have been a similar, if less subtle, technique
when I saw a video of the film The Exorcist. Every so often a leering demonic
face would appear for a split second or so and to this day, try as I might, I
cannot forget it. I saw the film again the other day and it wasn't in it so I
think they must have stopped putting it in.
Now here is my mind power idea. I will use an example of money which is what
everybody wants. If you want $1000 write this amount on a large sheet of
paper. Write in big, clear print. Now stick this paper on the wall facing your
bed. The next thing you need is a flashlight, preferably one with a straight
forward on/off switch - not one of those where you have to press the button
once for 'on' and again for `off`, this type is too slow.
Next you need an alarm clock which you should set off at a time when you
know you will be in deep sleep and when it will be pitch black in darkness. Keep
your flashlight within arm's reach of your bed and when the alarm clock goes
off stop it and immediately grab the flashlight. Now looking towards where
you stuck your sheet of paper flash the flashlight at it three times, allowing
one or two seconds between each time. When this is done return to sleep and
do not think further about the money you want.
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If you desire a new car get a large picture of the car you want and write over
it 'My car' and stick this on the wall. If you want a girl or boyfriend do as my
friend did, or the other way I mentioned if you do not desire a particular
person.
There is no end to the objectives to which my idea can be applied: just write
your desire on a sheet of paper or use a large picture of what you want and
stick it to the wail. The instructions are the same no matter what the nature
of your aim.
You should aim for just one thing at a time until your aim is accomplished.
Then you can begin something else. Follow my instructions until your aim is
accomplished. Then you can start something else. Follow my instructions every
night until you get a result. Results may take days, weeks, or even months in
some cases, so please be patient.
It has worked for me.
It has worked for others.
It can work for you.
For those who find it hard to visualize this novel mind power method must be a
fantastic idea. And nothing could be simpler. But for some of you there may be
one distinct hindrance to this application: the use of an alarm clock in the
middle of the night. This obviously presents a problem to anyone who sleeps in
the same room as another.
The point of using an alarm clock is to arouse one from deepest slumber: that
moment of awakening when the subconscious mind is particularly receptive to
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any impression it receives. But the subconscious is just as acutely receptive
when one awakens in the dead of night to answer nature's call. So at that time
one can use the flashlight light on the wall, as suggested. For the individual
who sleeps the whole night without interruption, an alternative idea might be
to look at the wall as soon as one awakes,close eyes for a second or two,look
again; and then repeat twice.
After the third time close eyes for a few minutes and do not think of what
you looked at on the wall. Then - providing you haven't fallen asleep. again! -
get up and begin your day.
For those unfamiliar with the word, the 'subconscious' is that part of our
mind of which we are not aware. It is that hidden area of the mind which
controls our feelings and actions and indeed is far more powerful than our
'conscious' mind, that area of mind of which we are aware, and with which we
think and reason.
Whilst many writers appear to disagree on the most effective way of
exploiting the potential power of the mind, they all seem to agree on one
central point: that it is the subconscious mind and not the conscious mind
which holds the key to turning wishes into realities. How and why this is so is
really not known although many have put forward explanations. But it suffices
to say that if the subconscious can turn our dreams into realities then we
should make use of its power and enjoy the benefits - and leave the
explanations to the experts!
The subconscious, whilst being more powerful than its limited conscious
counterpart, is not able to help you without your specific instruction . It has
to be told that you want so-and-so. And the way to instruct it is through
simple words and images. The subconscious does not respond to, nor
understand, long words or complicated instructions. This is why I regard this
system both valuable and potent.
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The uses to which this novel system can be applied are virtually limitless:
acquiring or improving skills ... receiving solutions to problems ... influencing
other people ...self-improvement ... improving your memory ... reading faster ...
the realization of almost any objective. The subconscious can do anything for
you! ( No Kidding ).
The author doesn't provide specific instructions for each of the so many
objectives which could be realized through his system; but it is obvious, based
on what he has written, that if one seeks more confidence one would put on
the wall something like 'I Am More Confident' or 'I Am Confident and Self-
Assured'; or place on the wall a picture of someone who represents your idea
of possessing great self-confidence. Your subconscious will then take it that
you want to be like this person.
This idea can be adapted, changed or altered to fit the needs of each
individual reader. But the principle remains the same: Awake in the night or
morning and glance at the script or picture on the wall. Nothing could be
simpler and I am certain that at least some readers will derive great benefits.

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NLP - Essential Communication Skills Handbook



Tonality
Your tonality is very important, because you are using your voice to persuade others. If your voice isn't
pleasant to listen to, who is going to sit and listen to it long enough for you to get what you want. Also, you
need to be able to effectively control your voice in order to use techniques such as embedded commands and
voice pacing.
Posture
Posture is important because if the body is not properly aligned the voice can't come out with the power, the
resonance, and the projection that it naturally has.
Exercise 1 - Imagine there is a string that runs through the top of the head and down through the neck, and
down through the spine. Then imagine that someone pulls up slightly on the string, straightening the neck
and the spine to the point where even if there were no muscles holding them in place the bones would stay
sitting one on top of the other, and at the same time you feel your shoulders slide back into place. Now,
imagine moving through the world this way ... when you sit at your computer ... drive in your car... watch
TV.
Exercise 2 - In order for some people to keep their shoulders back in place they need to stretch out the chest
and strengthen the back (especially the rhomboids, between the shoulder blades, and the rear deltoids, which
are the backs of the shoulders). This is true especially for people who sit at computers all day long.
Posture Stretches
Number 1
This stretch should be felt just above the collarbone in that little triangle.
1. Stand with your lower back straight. Have your legs shoulder width apart, and your knees slightly bent.
2. Reach behind the back with your right arm and grab the left arm (which is down by the side) at or just
above the elbow.
3. Rotate the left arm back in the socket gently, making sure you're turning the arm at the shoulder joint and
not the elbow.
4. Turn your head to the right looking over the shoulder, and then tilt the chin down toward the shoulder.
5. Hold this position for 60 seconds.
6. Repeat on other side.
Alternate Step 3 - If you can't reach your arm that way, just gently rotate the shoulder back in the socket
without holding the arm. You'll know if you're doing the stretch right by where you feel it.
Number 2
1. Move your shoulders up toward your ear.
2. Roll them back, squeezing your shoulder blades together.
3. Let your shoulders drop, letting them stay back naturally.
Number 3
You'll feel this stretch in the chest, just below the collarbone, from the breastbone all the way to the shoulder.
1. Place the palm of your hand again the wall, with your arm straight, and your hand about three inches
above the shoulder.
2. Lean into the stretch, so your body is as perpendicular to the wall as possible while remaining
comfortable.
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3. Hold stretch for 60 seconds.
4. Repeat on other side.
You can also do neck and shoulder rolls to loosen up these areas and help them realign after the stretches.
Breathing
It's important to breathe in deeply in order to project your voice and to have power and resonance. You won't
be taking in more air, but you will be breathing into the lower portion of the lungs instead of into the upper
portion of the chest.
Exercise 1 - Put your hand on your upper chest. Breathe so that this part of the chest moves out when you
breathe in. As you breathe out, let out an 'Aaahhh" with the breath. Now put your hand in the middle of your
chest and breath into this area, and as you release your breath say "Aaahhh." Now put your hand on your
solar plexes and do the same thing. Lastly put your hand on your stomach and as you say "Aaahhh" as you let
the breathe out notice how much stronger your voice is when you speak from here, and notice how much
more resonant your voice is.
If this isn't easy for you try holding your hands above your head while you do this. As a last resort you can
lie on the floor and practice there so you know how it feels, before you practice standing up.
While you do this remember to keep your shoulders slid back and your back straight.
Emotion
When you speak it's important that you can hear your feelings in the words that you say, otherwise you don't
sound sincere. In addition to the excitement in your voice when you talk about roller coasters and the wonder
in your voice when you talk about peak experiences, you need to make some other words sound like what the
mean. For example if you were saying the word ~'short" you would make the word sound just slightly abrupt,
or if you're saying the word 'humongous" you would drag out the syllables a little and maybe even raise your
voice slightly.
Exercise 1 - Here is a list of emotions that you can practice saying with the feeling of the emotion in your
voice when you say it. To help you out a little, you might want to imagine a time when you experienced this
emotion, and see what you saw, feel what you felt, and hear what you heard. Also make sure when you
imagine this event that you're looking through your own eyes and not watching yourself. Lastly think of a
sound that might represent that emotion for you.
Curiosity Lust Sincerity
Love Amazement Excitement
Exhilaration Happiness Calm
Playful
Here's a list of words that would sound like what they mean
Huge Gorgeous Beautiful
Anticipation Powerful Tiny
Bright Smooth Rich
Exercise 2 - You also need to practice using these words in sentences, especially since many of them might
be in one sentence together.
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Have you ever had a peak experience, maybe you saw an amazingly beautiful sunset.
I was snorkelling in Hawaii and I saw the biggest sea turtle ever, and I was so excited that I could hardly
breath.
Have you ever met someone and you were really curious, and the more curious you became the more playful
you became in your thoughts.
Notice that the words might not actually match the way you say them. For example in the last sentence the
word thoughts could be said in a seductive way.
Exercise 3 - Go and eavesdrop on people's conversations, or talk to one of your more boring friends or coworkers.
Ignore the words that they are saying and just listen for what state they are in while they are talking.
Notice when the states shift and the fine nuances between one state and another. Understand, the other halt
using tonality to put forth your own ideas and persuade others Is being aware of other people's so you can
know where they're at and what effect you're having on them regardless of the words that come out of their
mouths.
When you're up for a challenge, ask someone to talk about one thing while they think about another, and
figure out what state they're really in. For example, the last time you were talking about business, while you
were thinking about going out water skiing next weekend.
Inflection
Your inflection is important, because according to how you use it you can seem powerful, or not. You see
there are three ways of speaking: commands, questions, and statements.
Statements just have a flat inflection at the end, questions go up at the end, and commands go down. This is
important because if you say something like "Let's go out" as a question instead of a command you give the
other person a chance to say no. Also, a question isn't always a question. If you use the grammatical structure
of a question but go down with the inflection at the end of the sentence then you actually make it a
command.
Exercise 1 Say these sentences using a downward inflection at the end.
· Let's go out.
· Come with me.
· I love you.
· Do you want to go out for coffee with me? (Taking the inflection down on with me)
· Do you understand?
Inflection is also very important for being able to embed commands. You can embed a command using any
note, but for the sake of simplicity here we're going to talk about embedding commands by dropping your
tone slightly on the command. The difference not only doesn't have to be extreme, but it should be slight so it
is only perceptible to the trained ear Imagine a musical scale; the note you use for the embedded command
would be a note or even only a half note lower on the scale than the other notes you're using when you speak.
Embedded Commands
Embedded commands are used to say something to the unconscious while you might be saying something
completely different to the conscious mind. You can do this by saying all of the words in the embedded
commands in one particular note, at a particular volume, etc. The key is to have the note or volume that you
embed the commands at distinct from the rest of what you say. For example, if you use the note a sharp to
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embed the commands, you can't use that pitch elsewhere in your conversation. Personally I find it easiest to
drop my pitch slightly on the embedded commands.
Also, when you're embedding a phrase such as, "Buy me presents," the words don't have to be together in the
sentence. They don't even have to be in the same sentence. They can be spread out through a paragraph.
I saw a gorgeous Ferrari go buy. To me it seems that some cars have a presents of their own.
Also remember that you should embed commands at! East three times each. They don't have to be in the
exact words, but they should be similar. It's easier for the unconscious to take the command at this point than
it is to fight it.
Exercise 1- Embed the phrase "Give me a wild ride," into a paragraph about a safari in Africa. No more than
two words of the phrase can be side by side in the paragraph.
Exercise 2 - Think of phrases that you would like to embed. Then think of a different subject to write about
where you can embed the phrase.
Just remember to use a pleasant state that goes with the commands that you're embedding. For example, you
wouldn't talk about the most disgusting thing you ever did and embed commands about having a wonderful
experience together.
Ambiguity
You may have noticed when I was talking about embedded commands that I used the word "buy" in place of
the word "by." This is called a phonological ambiguity. It can be two words that sound alike, such as bear
and hare. It can also be two words that sound like one word, such as in trance and entrance. You see the
unconscious has to take the word and reference back to all the meanings it has. In random conversations this
means very little, but when you're embedding communards and stack phrases which are on a certain subject
the unconscious wile figure out what you really mean.
Remember that the words don't have to sound exactly alike. If you were to substitute the word hue for the
word you in the stream of conversation 99.9% of people would never notice the difference.
Exercise 1 - Sit and write down at least 100 phonological ambiguities.
Pausing
The use of pausing when you speak is extremely important. It can make
A person anticipate your every word. Or it can make
you seem. . . .uh. . . .stupid. There are a few times when you can as a rule use pausing.
One is when you want to keep a person in suspense and anticipate what you are going to say next. Second is
when you want to make a point of a particular word or phrase. Third is when you're using punctuation
ambiguity. For example, when you say "... when you feel that. (pause) With me (pause) I the pause might
only be slight in this case but the unconscious mind will hear it and know the difference.
Exercise 1- Get a tape recorder and read language patterns, poems, articles, etc. into it. Listen to yourself
noticing
Where you pause and where you can improve.
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Punctuation Ambiguity
Punctuation ambiguity is when it is unclear where one sentence ends and the other begins. One way of using
this is by having a word or phrase that could either be tagged on the last sentence or start out the next
sentence. In the conscious conversation this phrase is usually part of the second sentence. By using the
tonality in the phrase that you embedded the commands in the first sentence with, the unconscious will
associate the phrase with the end of the first sentence. Some examples of commonly used phrases and words
are:
· Now
· For me
· To me
· With me
Example: I'm sure that there have been many times when you feel that connection. Now with me, when I feel
that dose to this person
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Trance
The first thing that we need to talk about it is the definition of trance. A trance is an altered state of
consciousness. What does that mean? Well if you think of any state that you are in now, when that state
changes it is altered. So in many respects it's every state is an altered state from the state you were in just a
moment ago.
The advantages of learning how to go into a trance or induce a trance are infinite. Inside of trance states your
learning abilities and perceptive abilities are enhanced. You are actually able to accelerate the learning
process if you g6 into a mild trance.
Pattern interrupt
Altered states are very easy to induce. The simplest trance induction is the pattern interrupt. Anytime you can
interrupt a pattern that somebody else is in, they have to go inside their head and figure out where they were
so that they can start at the point you interrupted them. If you think about this, you know that it's true.
Every time you speak you form the sentence in your mind first. Your mind does this quite quickly but it is
rare that you deliver a full sentence before it is completely formed inside your mind. If I were to interrupt
you in the middle of delivering the sentence you had already formed, your mind would go blank for moment.
Inside of that blank space is a world of possibilities. While you are inside your head I can put anything I want
in there.
The reason that I can do this without getting caught is that if you hear me, it will simply interrupt the process
of finding where you were. In essence, it is a double interrupt.
If you don't believe me try this on a waitress. Waitresses are pre-programmed to say a certain phrase when
they walk up to the table. Waitresses that have been waiting on tables for a long time are very programmed.
If you interrupt them at any point with a question, you can watch their minds go blank.
If you are very aware and notice when the blank spot happens, you can anchor it. Then all you have to do is
fire the anchor the next time you want to induce trance.
Unconscious awareness
Bringing to the conscious mind awareness of something that is generally thought of as unconscious will
bring about an altered state or trance state. If I would ask you right now, to think about how the spot between
your toes feels, it would be something that you normally would never think of lf I would ask you to think
about how your shirt feels on the middle of your back, that is also outside your conscious awareness. If I
were to ask you think about exactly how this piece of paper feels in your hand, that is also outside your
conscious awareness.
The key is to think about the things that people normally don't think about, and get them focused somewhere
other than on their consciousness. As you watch them you'll notice that they will go inside their minds to find
the information. When they do you can slide commands in.
The easiest trance induction is a 54321 method
1. Something you feel
2. Something you see
3. Something you hear
4. Something you feel
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5. Command
Let me give you an example:
As you sit there in your chair and feel the weight of your body pressing down, you can look at this paper and
notice the edges as your eyes scan these words. You might hear something in the room around you and feel
the paper on your finger and relax.
1. Feel
2. See
3. Hear
4. Command
5. Command
You might notice the beat of your heart and see the colours of the room while listening to the sound my
voice. See you can feel good about knowing that you're about to learn now.
This would be followed with two things that you notice and three commands. Then one thing that the notice
and four commands. I think you get the idea.
This is also easiest method to do self-hypnosis.
Nonverbal trance
My favourite way to get somebody into a trance state is to get deep rapport, alter my state and pull them in.
When you have deep rapport your, in essence, linked directly in to the unconscious mind. Wherever you go
they will follow. I realize that at this point in the seminar that we have not learned deep rapport skills but I
thought it would be worth mentioning.
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Visualization
The first step in learning to visualize well is realizing that you already visualize all the time already. The only
way you know how to draw a circle is by seeing a picture of it in your head before you draw it. To know
whether something looks right or wrong you have to see a picture of it first in your mind. The reason some
people aren't aware yet that they visualize is that they already do it so well. You are getting the information
that you need in such a quick flash of the picture that it was gone before you were even aware that it had
appeared. Can you tell me that you have never fantasized about how a certain person would look walking up
to you naked?
Another important thing you will realize about visualizing is that it's not only visual. It includes all of the
sounds associated with the picture or movie. The way everything feels. All of the smells. All of the tastes. It's
not just a picture. It's a whole experience.
When you are visualizing something that you've seen before in the world move your eyes up and to the left or
look straight ahead. These are the two places where the majority of people see things that they are
remembering. When you are creatively visualizing something you've never seen before, move your eyes up
and to the right. This is where most people see things that they are creating in their minds. Some people are
switched, though. To figure out which way you do it ask someone to watch you while you make a picture of
your car and notice where you move your eyes to.
Exercise 1
Look at the palm of your hand. Now dose your eyes and see a picture of it. Make sure that your eyes are up
and to the left or straightforward while you do this. What do you see? How clear is the picture?
Now look at your hand again. Notice all of the lines in your hand.
Notice how the shadows give it depth. Notice the different colours.
Notice where your hand is not. Notice the background. Notice the space
around your hand. Now that you are consciously aware of more information, dose your eyes and see this
picture of your hand.
Now look at your hand again. Wiggle your fingers. Notice the changing shades of colour. Notice the ways
the lines move. Notice the play of the shadows. Now dose your eyes again and see this movie.
Notice how much easier it is to keep the pictures in your mind when you're noticing specific things.
Exercise 2
The next step is to start creating pictures. Let's start simply.
Imagine a picture of a ball. Make it a white ball on a black background.
Invert the picture. Now it's a black ball on a white background. Now notice if the ball makes a shadow on the
background.
Now give the ball some colour. Make it green. Make it blue e. Make it red. Put a striped pattern on it. Notice
how the stripes wrap around to make the ball 3D. Turn this picture upside down. Flip it over.
Now have the ball bounce out of the picture and bounce back in. How does the bouncing of a ball sound?
Imagine picking it up. What does the texture fee! like? How does it smell?
Exercise 3
Imagine you needed to tell someone how to get to your car. Describe it to them noticing the pictures you
make while you do it. Notice if you zoom in on certain aspects that you need to describe. Notice how you
know what brand of car it is.
Imagine going to your car yourself which hand do you unlock the door with? What do the keys sound like?
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What do they feel like? Which hand do you open the door with? Does the door make a sound when it opens?
Do you do anything else before you get in the car? What is the first thing you do when you sit down? Is the
seat soft? Is it comfortable le? This will turn the picture of your car into a movie of you getting into it.
Remember to put your eyes up to the left or straight forward while you do this.
Exercise 4
Look at the picture of your car again. Now imagine it with square wheels. When you do this remember to
move your eyes up and to the right,
Make a movie of how the car would run with square tires. See a whole freeway full of cars moving around
with square tires. Now see your car being the only one with round wheels.
Exercise 5
Now we're going to play with the qualities of a picture. I want you to imagine a control panel in front of you.
It can be anything from the equalizer on a stereo to the bridge of the Starship Enterprise. On this control
panel I want you to label the controls with these qualities:
· Size
· Movie/Slide
· Distance
· Location
· Shape (round, square, etc)
· Bordered
· Number of images
· Colour Black and White
· Associated/Dissociated (looking through own eyes/watching self)
· Focused/Unfocused
· 3D/Flat
Make each of these some kind of a slide where you can change the quality a little at a time. For example, if
you were going to go from black and white to colour, just add a little bit of colour at a time.
Have your partner lead you through manipulating the qualities of the picture. Actually reach out and grab
each control, and make the movements big. Notice when you change a quality of the picture if the sounds,
feelings, tastes, or smells change.
Exercise 6
Now imagine pictures of something you enjoy doing, and something you don't like doing but have to. Notice
where the pictures are spatially in front of you. Notice the 3 major differences in the qualities of the two
pictures. Now, change the qualities of the thing that you don't like to do to match the qualities of the thing
that you enjoy doing. Then slide the picture of the thing you don't like doing into the place of the thing you
enjoy doing, if it hasn't already gone there on it's own. Do this 5 times. Notice how it feels differently to you
now. Notice how the sounds and feelings associated with it change.
Troubleshooting
If the person you're working with is trying to look down and visualize, grab the picture and pull it up.
If you're not quite sure where the pictures are, ask these questions. Where does it feel like the picture is?
What direction do the sounds associated with the picture come from?
If you're not sure where the pictures notice your posture. Do you slump? Do you tilt your chin up? Is your
head tilted to the right or left? You can also have someone look where your eyes move to when you visualize
things.
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Anchoring
My definition of an anchor is anything that brings up a feeling or thought of any other thing. It reminds you
of something that you have experienced. It might actually bring back that feeling or emotion completely.
I have this habit. Whenever someone around me is having fun.. I anchor
it. If they are laughing, I anchor it. I think people should feel good around me and I am not going to leave that
to chance. If they are in a shitty mood I will fire the anchor. I walk up to people and when they smile and
shake my hand I also touch them on the shoulder. Well how could you use this? You could just keep it in the
context of a seminar and never use it in real life or spend lots of time just touching yourself
Setting anchors is an art form all by itself The question is, how are you building the state??? To successfully
anchor you have to first be able to notice if you are getting the state. These skills depend on each other and
do not exist in isolation.
Calibrate to the person you are working with. This means getting out of your own head and noticing. If the
state peaks strong enough you will have to only set it once. Set the anchor just BEFORE the state peaks and
hold it until it does.
Then test your anchor.
I can not tell you how important it is to get the state FIRST. If you use a pattern, notice when you get the
response and anchor it. The Patterns are to get women into a state. If you notice and anchor it you will never
have to use that pattern to get the state back again.
lf the anchor does not hold, it is usually because you did not get the state or anchored to early.
How many different types of anchors are there?
So why learn to anchor. Well imagine walking into your job and suddenly and unexplainably your boss looks
at you and feels good. It might be that you anchored that feeling to yourself We all know that people do not
get promoted due to their ability. They get promoted more often than not, because they make people feel a
certain way.
First I would like to explain again when to anchor. When you are getting someone into the state you want
anchor you'll notice when that state starts to amplify. The key is to begin to anchor before the state peaks and
hold it through the peak. Then just after you see it pass the peak, let go.
Exercise one
Set across from your partner and have them think of a time when they did something very enjoyable or a time
when they were very happy. Watch them closely. Have them tell you about that time. Actually get them to
the point or they are reviving it. Notice how their state changes as they begin to go into the experience.
You can help get them into the state asking them questions. You can ask them what they saw then. Are there
any sounds? Were there any smell? What did they feel? As you begin to notice their state change, you want
to anchor it to one of their knees.
Now do the same thing with something that was not very enjoyable. Make sure that they clear their mind
between anchoring different states.
Now test the anchors. Say something nice while firing the anchor of something that was not very enjoyable
for them. What you'll find is that it's very hard for them to feel good about what you're saying while you're
firing the anchor of something is not very enjoyable.
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Exercise Two
Take the enjoyable anchor that you have just installed and it into a sliding anchor. Start with your finger on
the spot on their knee and tell them that as you slide the anchor towards their body that the feeling will
double. And then go back to the point of beginning and slide it all over and double it again.
Exercise three
in this exercise we’re going to build a new state using finger anchors. Choose three positive states. For
instance, creativity, playful and competence. Make three separate anchors on your partner’s hand. On the
first finger build a sliding anchor for the first state. Make sure that you amplify it. Get a neutral state between
each anchor. On the second linger anchor the second state and on the third finger anchor the third state.
Go back in test the anchors and turn them up and then turn them back down. Make sure you have neutral
states between each test. Then slide all three anchors at the same time turning them all of at the same time.
What you have done here is taken three separate states and created a new state that is a combination of the
three separate states.
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Rapport
First, I would like to explain rapport. Rapport is the process of making an unconscious connection. One of
the ways of making this unconscious connection is called pacing. The first thing about pacing is noticing the
other person’s behaviour. Pacing is the process of stepping into the behaviour of the person you want rapport
with. Pacing is actually more than that. It is a way to make contact, and then lead the other person into the
states that you want them in.
When pacing and getting rapport you're using the process that is commonly known as mirroring. You can
mirror on many different levels. One of the most common ways of mirroring is something that we do all the
time. For instance, we dress a certain way when we go to work. Some offices require that we wear suits. If
you were to wear a suit to a construction site you would have what we call disrapport.
Another level is that we adjust our language and manners to be appropriate for whatever occasion we are
attending. To use the manners that you would you use at a fine dining restaurant simplify would not fit if you
were at a cook out. We also adjust our language. Any man will tell you that he does not talk the same in front
of a woman that he's trying to impress as he does when talking to his friends on poker night.
There are several aspects I will go into so you’ll gather an understanding of the different methods of getting
rapport. The reason that I have written this out is that you want to have the conscious information so that you
can review and practice what you have already learned unconsciously.
The one thing that I want you to realize is that mirroring and matching the behaviour of the people around
you is a completely natural act. It is something that you have been doing since birth. It is the way that you
learned to talk. It is the way that you learned to walk, There are so many things that you learned as a child by
simply mimicking the behaviours of your parents, siblings and friends.
In the pages that follow I would like you to read a section of it at a time. Then take that exercise, try it out,
and see what kind of results to get. I want you to realize that any one of these things will be effective but
using them all in combination will build a strong unconscious rapport that will allow you to pace and move
people into the states that you want them in.
WHOLE BODY MATCHING
Whole body matching Is where you adjust your body to do se to the same stance and posture of the other
person. I want to emphasize that this does not mean to exactly mimic the posture and position of the person's
body that you are getting rapport with. What it means is to have your posture and stance similar. For instance,
if you’re sitting in a chair across from a person you want rapport with and they have their legs crossed at the
knee, you can cross yours at the ankle. That is what I mean by similar.
I want to warn you that if you mimic someone exactly they are going to catch you. They may also think you’re
just a little strange. Also, if the position of the other person changes, you can adjust your position. Just allow
enough time between when they move and you move. The key here 15 to avoid making choppy erratic
movements when shifting your body to match theirs. When moving from one position to the other make sure
that you move in the most natural way you can.
CROSS MATCHING
Cross matching is where you can match the other persons posture stance or gestures by doing them with the
opposite part of your body. For instance if someone crosses their legs you can cross your arms. They are
tapping their foot you could tap your finger. This Is a great way to covertly match somebody9s body. The best
part about it is that it indirectly matches something that the other person is probably not conscious of it
anyway.
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MOVEMENTS
All of us have movements or gestures that to us are habits. Whether it is the way we move our hands while
we talk or the way we lean forward when we make a point. Take the time to notice the other person's
gestures and work them into your own natural gestures. Let me give you an example. ~ talking to someone
and I notice for instance that when they offer a new idea that they gesture with their hand forward and their
palm open facing up. When I talk to them and offer them a new idea, I will offer it with my hand forward and
my palm facing up.
The real art of doing this is to minimize the movement that they offer you. The effect will still be as strong.
The best part is that you will not appear that you are trying to copy them. It will seem as if it is your own
natural gesture.
PART MATCHING
Part matching occurs when you're only matching one particular part of the body. For instance, if you were to
just match the rate someone blinks. The idea of part matching is to match one particular repetitive movement
of only one part of the body. This can be something as simple as licking your lips.
Another aspect of part matching is matching the angle someone holds her head and shoulders. I realize this is
a lot like matching someone 5 posture, but when someone's sitting down the only part you might see is their
head and shoulders. Also this is an aspect that most people are not consciously aware of I'm sure that you
hold your head and shoulders on a particular angle depending on the context of your conversation. This is
something that you just cannot see. Everyone else can.
Matching facial expressions is also outside of the conscious awareness of the person that you are pacing. I
think it is pretty simple to explain that most people cannot see their own face while they're talking. So
mirroring the expressions is one of my favourites. You’ll also notice that a person's facial expressions will
change depending upon the state that they are in. You can lead someone into a difference state just by using
the expression that they use when they are in that state.
BREATHING
Pacing someone's breathing is probably the easiest way to build unconscious rapport. First of all even as you
read this you're not consciously aware of the rate that you are breathing. I personally like to pace the things
that are outside their conscious awareness. I like the idea that it Is completely covert. Think about it, you
have to assume that everybody breathes. What are they going to do, notice that you're breathing? Even if they
do, so what. Everybody breathes.
I’ve heard some people say that they have a really hard time detecting the rate that somebody else Is
breathing. One of the problems seems to be that most people stare at the chest to detect the rate of breathing.
This becomes most troubling when you're trying to get rapport with a woman. Staring at the woman's chest
might not be seen as just an attempt to get rapport.
What I have done instead is to decide to lead the breathing. Notice if you walk up to somebody and take a
deep breath they will follow you. Then you get to dictate the rate of breathing.
VOCAL PACING
To there are three main aspects of vocal pacing. To use any of these requires that you do one very important
thing... Listen
Qualities Of Vocal Pacing
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This requires matching and pacing the qualities of someone's voice. There are several qualities you will want
to match in order to get rapport. Tone, intensity, tempo, and volume are just four of the main qualities that I
look for when pacing someone1s voice.
When pacing somebody's tone of voice, you just want to adjust your voice slightly towards his or her tone. If
you meet somebody with a high squeaky voice and you mimic their voice, they may think you are making
fun of them. What you want to do is take your normal voice and raise it just a little higher towards theirs.
It seems that everyone speaks with just a little bit different intensity. If you meet someone who has a very
laidback flower child intensity and you attempt talk to them in a Jack Nicholson intensity you might just a
bow them out of the water.
What can I say about tempo? The one thing that I have noticed Is that there are very few people from New
York that are married to people from the South. I think a lot of this has to do the fact that the average person
from the South can only understand about every third word someone from New York speaks. On the other
hand someone from New York would either fall asleep or die of boredom while waiting for one sentence to
come out of a softener’s mouth. Matching tempo is very important. It IS also one of the easiest things to
adjust.
While I don't think it’s a really good idea for two people who talk softly to live a conversation in a bar I still
think that having one person yell would break rapport. So, it is best to match approximately the volume of
the person your speaking with.
TRANCE PHRASES
One of the things you will notice when talking to someone is that there are particular words or phrases that
they will repeat. They will say the same words and phrases in many different contexts. If you’ll notice these
words and phrases and use them in your conversation with them, you’ I be able to get deep rapport. It will
seem as if you understand them.
CONVERSATIONAL MODALITIES
Most people use one dominant modality to express themselves in conversation. The three basic modalities are
visual, auditory and kinesthetic. The key here Is to speak to them in the modalities they offer you. For
instance:
Visual: Everything seems so clear to me.
Auditory: That idea has a nice ring to it
Kinesthetic: You seem like a warm caring person.
One of the things I like to do if I have the opportunity Is to ask about someone’s last vacation. Then I listen to
the way that they describe it. What you'll notice 15 that they will describe their vacation in the modality that
Is their primary modality.
These are just some of a ways you can consciously mirror and get rapport. Any one oft hese will be effective
in allowing you to establish rapport. Any two of these will get you strong rapport. The real art of pacing,
establishing and maintaining rapport 15 to be able to do all of these at the same time. This is something 15
more easily done at the unconscious level. The more you practice the more you will be able to
simultaneously be able to do all of these things.
If you know NLP, hypnosis or self-hypnosis they will be easier for you to move these conscious skills into an
unconscious tool.
The one thing that I would caution you about Is mirroring any person who has any type of illness. To get
rapport with someone, who has some type of illness, stick to verbal pacing.
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Exercise: pond – widening peripheal field
Imagine your visual field as if it were a pond. Now focus your vision in the middle of your visual field. Now
you realize that if we throw a stone into the middle of the pond that waves move out in perfect circles away
from the where the stone landed.
I want you to imagine your entire visual field is like the surface of calm pond. Toss a pebble into the centre
of the pond and notice the waves expanding in all directions. As they move out from the centre allow your
field of vision to expand with it.
I want you follow it all the way to the edges of what you perceive. What you might notice Is that your field
of vision expands. You'll begin to notice the things that are almost on the edges of your peripheral vision.
You also notice that this doesn’t just work horizontality. This also works to widen your visual field
vertically.
I realize this is simple little exercise but what's behind it is something more important. Behind this Is the
ability to take in all of the information in any given situation. It is not only good for gaining rapport Is also a
pretty good survival skill.
Exercise: Mirroring
With this one, find somebody to work with. Then I want to break this into three parts.
First I want you to watch the person your working with, using your whole visual field. f want you to say out
loud what you notice. If you notice their eyes blink say so. If they twitch say so. When they shift their weight
say so. Anything that you notice I want you to verbally say.
Second, I want you to exactly mirror them. Whenever they move any body part I want to move to match it. I
want you to begin to notice all the minor movements that you're not normality aware of I also want you to
begin to notice the whole body. From the top of the head to the bottom of the toes, and from one fingertip to
the other. Begin to use your field of vision to detect things that you're not staring directly at.
Third, I want you to do the same thing only I want you to cut your mirroring in half Every movement they
make, I want you to follow it with half of their movement. This Is what I call micro-mirroring. I have found
it to be just as effective.
Exercise: Verbal mirroring
In this exercise find somebody to work with who speaks much differently than you do. I want person A to
say one sentence. I want person B to notice the tempo, inflection, accent, and vocabulary of person A. I also
want you to notice what primary modality they speak with. Then I want person A to say any other sentence
but have it reflect accent, inflection, tempo, modality, and vocabulary of person B.
Practice that several times until you have it right. Then do it all again only cut the mirroring in half
I want you to get to where you really listen to what other people are saying.
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Goal Getting
There are many things that you will do to assure that you get your goals rather than just set them. First you
will be in a state that IS conducive to choosing your goals. Then you'll find out if the goal you've chosen 15
something that you really want. If it Is something you really want, then you'll need to have some idea of how
to achieve it. After that you just need to know how to really motivate yourself and get rid of anything that
stood in the way.
Here are the steps you can follow to do all of these things.
Step 1 – A really compelling state
First we're going to build in a really compelling designer state that you want to be in when you choose your
goals. There are many states you can choose from to build one that Is juicy enough. Here are a few:
Confident Competent Relaxed
Creative Playful Intuitive
Healthy Wonderful Open
Centred Powerful Lucky
The way we'll build this state 15 to anchor each state on a finger of your hand using a sliding anchor. Then
you will side all the anchors together and anchor the new state in, in a way which Is easily accessible. It can
be anything from a tug on the ear to a voice that you will hear inside your head.
Step 2 - Compelling Voices
Now you want to have some really motivating voices. Think of a time when you were really motivated to do
something. Notice anything that you might have said to yourself that motivated you. Notice where the voice
comes from. Say it to someone the way it sounds with the same volume, pitch, inflection, etc. Have the
person stand where the voice comes from and say it from there Make any adjustments in the sound of the
voice, the direction, the distance, etc. If there’s nobody to help you, just imagine the voice. Anchor the way
you feel when you hear this voice.
Step 3 – Moving your timeline
A timeline Is the way a person spatially represents the pictures of the events in his life. Understand that it's
not the significance of the event, but it's when it happened. One of the best ways to organize the timeline is to
have the past off to your left and just slightly behind you, so you can turn your head to look at it. The present
is inside your head. The timeline is in front of you and just slightly off to the right. As one student aptly put
it, "The past Is left behind, and the future is right ahead." Then once you’ve organized it this way, you want
to have the future get bigger as it goes along and angle slightly upward. You might also want to add a little
colour and brightness to the future. Play with it to see what works best.
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Step 4 Put Your Goal on Your Timeline
There are many steps to this. First 15 to walk down your timeline until you reach the goal. See how
everything looks from here. Hear all the sounds. Feel the differences in your body. Notice how your family
relates with you. See how it fits in with other parts of your life. What else Is different? Do you still want it?
Now, make any necessary adjustments to your outcome.
Now you need to check a few things. Ask yourself, 15 this possible? Do I deserve this? Am I capable of this?
Notice if there were any voices which might not be the most useful.
(if there Is an objection you might want to stop and take care of it before you proceed.)
Next you turn around to notice all the steps you took to get there. Maybe some won't be completely clear yet,
but you will at least see the first two or three things you need to do to get there.
Turn back around and take enough steps into the future to be sure that you want to live with the results of this
goal after you've achieved it.
Assuming that you still want this goal, turn back around and go to where you've just reached the goal. Now,
anchor of the feeling of reaching this goal, and as you continue to hold onto this anchor walk back to the
present taking just a little of this feeling back with you. This way you can remember how it feels and be
motivated to get more of that feeling.
Now look into the future and lire off the anchor of how it feels to reach your goal, and then lire off the anchor
for that really motivating voice.
Step 5- Get Rid of Objections
This Is for the people who didn't feel that they deserved it, were capable, or it was possible. First make sure
that this Is something you want to happen, not just something that 15 possible. Then think of something that
you believe will probably happen. Notice where the picture Is. Then notice where the picture of your goal 15.
Now attach a rubber band to the picture of your goal and shoot it off to the horizon, and notice it snap back
into the place of what you believe will probably happen. Do this five times, so it will stick. If it doesn't go
that easily, you might try moving to the place of possibility before you move it to the place of probability.
Some things you might want in the place of what you absolutely believe to be true and some might only
belong in the place of possibility, so think about how important you want reaching each goal to be.
Now, for the people who had unwanted voices. I want you to dose your eyes and hallucinate out in front of
you the knob that controls the volume of the voices that you're getting rid of Reach out and grab the knob and
turn the voices down. If the voices won't stay quiet, hallucinate another knob that makes it sound like Mickey
Mouse first, then turn down the volume of the voice.
Step 6- More Motivation
Certain words are more motivating to people than others. Which ones are the most motivating vary from
person to person. Look at this list of words and imagine a line on the floor that goes out in front of and
behind you. Notice whether each of these words would propel you forward, not motivate you to move at all,
or actually make you want to move backwards along this line.

Interesting stuff you posted.

The picture might work well in the search of a girl/boyfriend, no doubt about that.

I share your unenthusiastic attitude towards NLP. I do think, that maybe these techniques might work better if you planted them in your mind your head when in a trance? I have EEG, binaural beats, subliminal audio encoding and soon a Neurophone to do that with. Will try that sometime. And if I remember to do it, post my results here.

Well all in all you gave some good info but I do have a few comments:

Amazing New Mind Power Secret

Well first off this isnt new it has been around for a long time it however is not limited to viewing it at night, moring ect. What you are actually doing is behavioural therapy, you are in fact reaching the sub-concious but not in the way you think. The key is waking the person up at night, this same technique is used to stop children from wetting the bed. The waking up at night causes the brain discomfort, it associates the piece of paper as the cause for this disturbance, after a long enough amount of time the brain (sub-counciously) tries to get rid of the paper by accomplishing the task on the paper. The reason why I believe this meathod is behavioural therapy is because it is nearly identical to the stopping of bed wetting. The type of behavioral therapy is called avoidance learning in other words accomplishing a task in attempt to avoid something else from occuring. Behavioural therapy is an extremly powerful tool and can even cause people to experience pain or fear where their is nothing to cause it except for the associated trigger. Now I understand it may be percieved as a subliminal message when you view the paper but the problem is that even though the paper is being viewed right after REM dream states, in the dream state you are not overly suseptible to influence like you are in the 8-13hz range or alpha state. The final reason why I couldnt see this as subliminal messaging as you described is that the image does not bypass conciouss thought, if you were to say have a line using embedded programming through written like "I am going to get a $1000" then you inject the message into the sub conciouss through the underline which of course is due to irregularities in the text.

NLP - Essential Communication Skills Handbook

I really enjoyed this and you gave a nice detailed description of how to properly preform NLP. However I do have one comment about "anchoring" it is again behavioural therapy which of course uses associtaion. Also you were talking about invoking feelings,thoughts, ideas ect. Through anchoring and I would like to add that their are already pre-programmed so if you wanted to invoke a thought, emotion, whatever, without having to spend time anchoring it then you can use a pre-programmed one that has been put in place by history, politics, media ect. For example if you wanted to make a jewish fella angry then remind him of the holocaust, if you want him happy maybe try having him think about his barmitsfa. Of course invoking emotions ect through anchoring is 10x more subtle than most of the pre-programmed ones (their are exceptions to this).

I can't help getting the impression that many of the writers of these NLP books are trying to manipulate the reader.

lol I was reading this NLP book today and I know exactly what you mean

Max, to those who have read and understand what has been written in response to your quest the following comment will come as no surprise:
IN THE LAST DAY OR TWO I HAVE BEEN PROGRAMMING MY INNER-MIND TO LEAD ME TO MORE INFORMATION ABOUT NLP. TODAY I WENT TO THIS THREAD. THANKS, ONE AND ALL.
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Then I decided to add the following comment:

I have been interested in, and a student of, hypnosis since I was a student of psychology/philosophy in the 40's and 50's--on my way to becoming a minister of the United Church of Canada.

During the winter of 1963-1964--I was 33 at the time--my daughter (born in 1956) developed a life-threatening lung condition. Specialists at Children's Hospital, Toronto, told my wife and I to be prepared for the worst. She had had five bouts of pneumonia that winter. They told us: "Another bout could be fatal". Because of my belief in the power of the inner-mind--I call it the pneuma factor--to help us find solutions, I began to consult the pneuma factor, in all seriousness. I asked to be guided to all possible solutions.

Amazingly, shortly after my wife and I began to do our meditation we heard from a Mr. Allen Spraggett--I knew him because of a story he did on my ministry. He was then the well-known religion editor of the Toronto Star. He asked me if I had ever heard of the work of Canon, the Rev. Joseph Wittkofski, from Pa., who was teaching people about the power of hypnotism and the author of a book on: THE PASTORAL USE OF HYPNOTIC TECHNIQUE. In it he argues that every clergyperson ought to be a hypnotist and use it to understand how faith healing works.

When I told Allen Spraggett about my daughter's illness he said to me: "If you will invite Wittkofski to your church, the Star will pay his expenses for coming to Toronto. We will get a story and, maybe, he can help you help your daughter.

To make a long story short: Wittkofski came. I learned from him how simple hypnosis really is. After I consulted with our family doctor--who admitted he was curious, but knew nothing about hypnosis--I used Wittkoffski's spiritually-based--I now call it pneumatherapy--hypnosis on my daughter. Amazingly, she began to get well overnight and was never bedridden again.

Catherine, who just turned 50, went on to accelerate in school. Later she became a talented actor, a ballet artist, and an artist (jewellry, painting and carving). She is also a gifted practitioner of drugless therapy/massagetherapy/homeopathy and has helped many in the area, including First Nations people, to regain their health.

She and her artist husband, Wayne Adams (a carver), live on a floating property near Tofino, BC. Here is what the area looks like:
http://www.freshtracks.ca/sea_kayaking/sk_...oquot_inn.shtml
Catherine and Wayne's property, which includes floating gardens, cover over one quarter acre in a beautiful and well-protected cove--no lawn to mow. They have named the cove Freedom Cove. They work in close association with and earn some of their income from the floating hotel, nearby. Kayakers, from the hotel, visit their home which has become a tourist attraction.

Early in my ministry I studied the work of Dr. Milton Erickson. I understand he was one of the first developers of NLP.
http://www.erickson-foundation.org/early.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Erickson
http://www.erickson-foundation.org/milton.htm
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Milton Erickson is the foremost authority of Clinical Hypnosis in the world, NLP was originally based off of him, they studied everything he did, hes considered to be one of the best Hypnotists in the world and deals solely with the Medical applications of hypnosis. I have studied his models and bases for hypnosis upon which a huge amount of NLP is derived, ive done a lot of investigating into NLP and it has very effective healing applications

Great job, Lindsay! Would hypnosis also work on chronic stupidity? I know of a guy who needs it badly. He is real busy, so you have to visit by appointment only. His address and phone numbers are listed below:

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500
Tel: 202-456-1111
Switchboard: 202-456-1414
FAX: 202-456-2461
Visitors Office: 202-456-2121
E-Mail: comments@whitehouse.gov

Ask for George

Ignorance, yes; stupidity, no! It is said that there is a great difference between ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance is curable

Max, this sounds very interesting. I am very interested. Where do we take it from here?

BTW, beginning tomorrow, Jean and I will be in the far east of Canada--Sackville, NB., on the border of Nova Scotia.

We will be visiting our alma mater at http://www.mta.ca a great university. Small, but great. We met there, over fifty years ago. Now that we are both re-directed, not retired--we'd rather wear out than rust out--we go back as often as we can. We will be back next week.

NLP, if I'm correctly informed, involves the intentional manipulation of a person's thoughts.

Is it ethical?

No, but I want to learn how to do it...

Assuming NLP works, I suppose you could retain a sense of ethics by using it only in a win-win manner.

Some of the techniques remind me of an old Saturday Night Live routine. Kevin Nealon played "The Subliminal Man," where he interjected quiet, quick suggestive messages into his conversation.

I was amused with one of the "anchoring" methods described in Lucid Dream's long post on NLP:

"Start with your finger on the spot on their knee and tell them that as you slide the anchor towards their body that the feeling will double. And then go back to the point of beginning and slide it all over and double it again."

I think this particular technique has been around for quite some time...

Well it depends on what you wanna do, if your intrested in using hypnosis and NLP you can become a certified Hypnotherapist and NLP practitioner, then you can set up your own clinic or join one. Essesntially you go for a course and then get your certification at the same course you learnt from Milton Erickson is damn well amazing, getting up to his level involves a deep understanding of human nature and tons of practice in Hypnotherapy, he is the one who actually started Hypnotherapy.

Sun Tzu, you ask is it ethical? depends on what your ethics are in the first place, Physciatry is no diffrent, it only has other meathods for preforming their manipulation, infact they are far more brutal. If you have ever heard of Shock Therapy it is the most sadistic, evil and canaving thing ever brought into the medical world, I believe that the people who created it should suffer horribly and be subjected to their own evil creations. Shock therapy is incredibly sadistic, involving shocking the brain so hard that they immediatly shut down entirely, after that they have a incredible headache and go through hours of pain which can only be seen as an equivilant to torture. Behavioural therapy is less worse, but it depends on what the conditioning tools are, overall NLP is something I would take a 100x over compared to the alternatives. NLP is also non damaging, the subjects dont need to endure pain or confusion, they work through their problems, NLP is a lot less about manipulation and a lot more about getting the roots of problems and then fixing them. Things like shock therapy and behavioural conditioning are also much harder to reverse negative effects, any unwanted effects from NLP can be reversed almost instantly.

If only NLP principles could somehow be incorporated into writing. Now that is a beautiful thought.

lol nice try however you need to have it repeat three times in order for it to be a effective subliminal message, once wont cut it

NLP isn't the only way to effective therapy now. Traditional psychoanalysis (the talking cure) is one for which beautiful results are claimed. Another, which may be as effective (only cheaper) now is art therapy, in which pratictioners participate in creating beautiful paintings, and it's not just for artists only. Now I want to describe a third therapy, which is also inexpensive: the subject relaxes and thinks beautiful thoughts.

For some reason, I can't seem to get a certain song from West Side Story out of my head. Is someone messing with me?

Haha, nicely done Rick.

I couldn't agree more.

There may be better arguments for NLP's acceptability than this one. To argue that NLP is acceptable simply because it's not as bad as other techniques (which are awful), one has to admit, is not a very impressive argument.

For example, an analogous argument would be that a flamethrower is acceptable because it's not bad as an atom bomb. A flamethrower is still bad, though.

Do you not think that if NLP is invasive, that's bad? I may be misinformed, but my impression is that NLP is performed subtly, without the subject's consent or awareness, to manipulate their beliefs and their mental state. Surely that's an invasion.

OnlyNow, you say that NLP is not ethical, but you still want to learn how to do it? Why is that?

To suggest that you could learn how to use NLP in a win-win manner may be a mistaken proposition. If your estimations regarding what is good (for you and for the subject of NLP) are inaccurate to any extent (as is likely), then it is difficult to justify undertaking a venture that manipulates the mind-state of another being. Can one be sure one's motives are pure? (perhaps not) And even if one's motives are pure, can one be sure that one's actions will produce results that correspond to one's intentions? (almost certainly not)

The unforgiving fly in the ointment, as far as neurolinguistic programming is concerned, is that what you think of as a good result might, in fact, not be so, and that you cannot in any case be sure of bringing about the results you intend. Since what we're talking about here is the manipulation of human consciousness, this fact is a weighty one. As a conscientious being you should act with circumspection, and that means taking these fact into full account, and acting with appropriate restraint. Otherwise, your ethics could, with good reason, be called into question.

Please argue if you think I'm misinformed, or just wrong. I've been quite vehement here, because I believe it is important that these challenges be levelled at new techniques for mental manipulation. If a technique is worthwhile, arguments will be forthcoming that will rebut such challenges. If no such arguments can be found, then the technique may not be justifiable.

I was being facetious when I said I want to learn NLP--even if it's not ethical. I actually think we have more influence on others if we're totally up-front with our suggestions or wishes. I also think that most of us routinely manipulate or at least influence those around us, even if we're not always consciously trying to do so.

Whoops. Didn't realise you were being facetious. Sorry.

Lao Tzu I honestly dont need to argue or prove NLP is good to you, its your own decision to make, but before you start going off and making comments I suggest you learn more about it.

i want to be in america

Why?

You're quite right. Sorry for the hasty response...

Tis all good

Hadn't heard of art therapy before. People have written books or articles over this? In any event, NLP isn't really about therapy or self-help, but more about subtly manipulating others to get what you want. But it's all a load of nonsense. For proof: just examine your own experience and consider those in which you may have been manipulated or otherwise convinced or won over. What were the characteristics of that exchange and what qualities did the person have? I think you will find that NLP techniques and suggestions run counter to our actual experience. The people who are highly successful at winning other people over or manipulating them probably have little interest in conveying that info to others, and if they wanted to, they probably couldn't verbalize it very well except by saying they had an "IT" factor. Don't believe me? Examine your own experience and you will likely reach the same conclusion as me that NLP is a pack of nonsense propagated by those wishing to make a quick buck if only you buy their NLP book or attend their NLP seminars.

Tis a tricky subject Lucid, NLP is based off of a few highly talented hypnotists, ive done several NLP attempts and most of them have been quite successful. You just have to seperate the BS from the real shiznak, I find Milton Ericksons personal descriptions to be way more informative than most NLPers could hope for. I would suggest reading as many of Miltons papers as you can because they are damn good from what ive read, the man has always been about no BS whatsoever, you get what you see from him. You can do various things like inducing a person without them knowning they are going to go into hypnosis, its just not so cut and dry as NLP makes it seem.

Aside from that, ive seen some impressive manipulation in my time by just observing, most of it wasnt NLP, personally I have gotten it to work on a few things, other things I put less trust into.

Hello, folks.

I was urged by another regualr poster to check-in to this site.

As a practitioner of NLP for over 25 years, perhaps I can shed some light on the methodologies as they apply to training, change-work and communications-in-general.

As an introduction, I can assure all interested parties that NLP can be profoundly useful even when considered as no more than a set of methodologies which are supported by some useful presuppositions and that's, pretty much, where it stops.

It is not my intention to defend NLP per se, but to add some useful information and to, perhaps, address other, not-particularly-useful disinformation.

Respectfully,

"pave"

Everybody, give Pave, from Calgary, a big welcome.

Pave, I hope you don't mind if I give the site of someone you know :

http://www.ronaldtrobinson.com/

Thanks for the welcome, Lindsay,.... and no, I don't mind. (Just didn't want to be perceived as someone who was indirectly flogging his wares.)

Meanwhile, as I was perusing the thread, I noticed a significant amount of misunderstanding, misinterpretations and inaccurate linkages to NLP.

But, I suspect we will get that sorted out, as well.

NLP is, actually, quite benign. There are no hidden agendae.... or cult-fees. This, however, does not stop people who may be less than benign in their intentions from accessing or applying the techniques and methodologies.

NLP is, after all, in the public domain.