The G stands for the moral goodness and core values possible in life, and basic to all the great religions; Ø stands for the order found in all of nature, which is governed by the laws of science and mathematics. Break the laws of science and there are consequences, often even deadly ones. D stands for the design and beauty found in nature, and the destiny towards which all life seems to be moving.

Have you found God ?

name='Enki' date='Jul 08, 10:58 AM' post='67059']
....But may I add a bit of criticism?
I think Democracy is much better.

As one who believes in dialogue rather than debate, I like and accept your constructive criticism. Good idea: D now democratically refers to "we the people".

Enki,
What do I want ?
To wake you up, to make you more aware, to make you look inside yourselves...
To make you realize that it is essential to find God, not just speculate about Him. We won´t find God by talking.

Lets look down the line of the most recent Brain Meta preachers..

1. dattaswami - worst of them all, he came like the plague and left destruction in his wake.
2. OnFire - Arrogant, close minded, does not like to be contradicted, pretty much thought he knew everything and was smarter than everyone.
3. Do we have a third preacher on the way? could the illusive 'guest' be our next preacher? He certainly makes the Kitty Cat angry (Enki)

Any form of religious preaching contains anti-Scientific elements.
All the preachers pretend that they know much than those who are being preached to.
Preachers claim that they spread the words of God.

In true they linguistically Install into human brain self-unzipping Installation package of some specific program designed for very certain purposes by very certain parties for extremely practical means having ABSOLUTLY no relation with salvation of human soul!

Let's calm down everyone. We are all entitled to our opinions. Good arguments against are always better than flaming. My old PhD supervisor used to say, "Lose your temper, lose the argument."

Let's calm down everyone. We are all entitled to our opinions. Good arguments against are always better than flaming. My old PhD supervisor used to say, "Lose your temper, lose the argument."

If you are arguing, you've already lost.

But then again what the hell are you supposed to win?
If it's personal satisfaction and you are already not satisfied, or...if your satisfaction can be so easily removed then whatever it is you hope to gain is not so great if it can be easily threatened or taken away.

Anyone seeking to gain something from an argument or who can so easily lose something, should reconsider their life...

Hi Hey Hey, nice to see you.

Arguments are used to discuss something interesting with interesting people.

But when someone starts to recommend to you "to look inside yourself", then the arguments step aside and ...

Well, let us forget about that unknown Guest and go on.

Let us return to the God related subject.

We're overlapping now, so I'll leave you to the discussion. Have a good time, all.

MOST common definitions for the term "argument" relate to the provision of substantial evidence to strongly defend a position. Examples are given below.
Definition:

[noun] a fact or assertion offered as evidence that something is true; "it was a strong argument that his hypothesis was true"
Synonyms: statement

[noun] a contentious speech act; a dispute where there is strong disagreement; "they were involved in a violent argument"
Synonyms: controversy, contention, contestation, disputation, disceptation, tilt, arguing

[noun] a discussion in which reasons are advanced for and against some proposition or proposal; "the argument over foreign aid goes on and on"
Synonyms: ation, debate

[noun] a summary of the subject or plot of a literary work or play or movie; "the editor added the argument to the poem"
Synonyms: literary

[noun] a variable in a logical or mathematical expression whose value determines the dependent variable; if f(x)=y, x is the independent variable

So why does arguing mean that you've already lost?

I suggest you analyze the meaning of terms well before you decide to go all out in attempting to criticize them.

But I do understand that being advised to 'calm down' might be embarrassing and it is sometimes difficult to accept that one is out of order. But we are all grown ups here (?) so lets get back to a meaningful discussion. (Hint, I'm moderating here).

I suggest to stop this absurd quarrel and return to the discussion on nature of the God!

Do you not see God here in these discussions? If not then maybe you should expand yourself a bit and go beyond the need to see quarreling and just witness creation unfold as you believe it to be, and mostly what you don't want it to be. You may get some insight as to what guest suggested in going inward.

All 'guests' might care to give themselves a name in order that we can see with whom we are communicating when there are >1 'guests'. You do not have to register, just remember to give your chosen name when posting.

I agree with Enki about getting back to the topic. The last post was diversionary only, and its content is merely intended to continue to attempt to win the personality orientated argument that occurred.

I will end the topic if contributers are not prepared to resume the original theme.

God is a wrathful God...
Well that's one way to press the issue that this discussion is an argument, and how to win by creating a rule of discussion. (setting boundaries of what is allowed as the subject matter of God)

Remember the spanish inquisition!!

You see, one can give quite different explanations to those abbreviations.

I think it is quite wrong to concentrate only on Hebrew as a source of reference, especially when we are talking about such a complex category as the God is.

If we suppose that the God is an Omnipresent and very wise creature, then he should consider the reality and the all languages as a part of a united realm of the God, where He is omnipresent (in some way or another).

Let us for a while discard very questionable concept that He is All-Mighty, but concentrate on supposition that he is Omnipresent or Quasi-Omnipresent and can change something in this world but not instantaneously (God exist here and there from time to time [Like Aslan in Narnia comes and goes somewhere …]).

In view of that the well known abbreviation, from point of view of God, can abbreviate words in English rather than in Hebrew: you never know what God himself was meaning under that abbreviation, when was answering to Moses question “What is your name?”

Imagine that you landed on an island and a local would ask you “What is your name?” you had to certainly say “I am Lindsay”. The local would just memorize your name Lindsay but put it down using his alphabet. So you never know what YHVA, YHWA, YHVH, YHWH means in true. If the Universe is a great cryptogram like Sir Isaac Newton was supposing, then abbreviation can mean anything if God has a sense of humor.

It may sound quite absurd because English came along as a language during the last one thousand years while in contrast Hebrew came along many thousand years ago. But let us agree that from point of view of the God the game with time and letters is a quite possible thing (at least in the divine World Simulation Software). And if to consider the abbreviation like a pattern existing in the brain, then the languages does not matter, especially when the meaning is quite unknown and secret.
(!) Besides He can replace the abbreviations and modify the languages to fit the abbreviations in a way suitable for Him (especially if to look at the matter from point of view of the Keys and Clues).

E.g. the word God can be referred as the following abbreviation Great Old Demon (or Democrate). One can state that God himself, as a person having a good sense of humor, have encrypted interesting secrets in interesting places. In the same way, if YHVA, YHWA, YHVH, YHWH is a signature, then you can in the same way suppose that Y means “Yours” so frequent at the end of ordinary letters. Why not? Why not if we deal with God? Certainly the person fitting to such kind of abbreviation cannot be considered to be a reincarnation of God even if he coincidentally was born on 25 December.

E.g. like words God and Good differ by one letter. But does it mean something? If you reverse the word God you will get Dog. Accidental coincidence or the counsel of magicians while inventing Latin and later English languages managed to encrypt something quite interesting?

The game of words. But the game with words is a game with the consciousness. So those who play with words play with human consciousness. Can we suppose that God likes to play in that Game? I think we do not have any ground to say that He does not play in that game.

Who knows maybe the true God is very weak from human point of view, but as he is wise and omnipresent he changes the world by initiating certain very weak bifurcations (fluctuations) in needed places by applying few force and getting maximal effect (Chaos control). From that point of view God masters (operates) 0.0000 …0001 segment of the function of events probability.
So from that point of view He is Quasi-All-Mighty. I mean that on short time distances he not so Mighty , but on long time distances that guy can crush any powerful Empire and rise new one from the Dust. Just like the Power of 1/f noise. It describes very slow process with growing spectral power along with decreasing frequency (increasing time period).

Quite funny, I read somewhere on internet that a guy described 1/f noise as 1/freemasonry chaos. Funny is not it?

You should accept that many gentlemen on this forum are much better aware about the nature of God that you are.

And who knows maybe between the lines you may suddenly note the eyes of the God looking at you with hope to grasp your attention.

I should accept that the last sentence is written in a mood of preaching.

I am sorry for that.

Have no fear, God is here.

Noted and recognized, as were the previous sermons
You say yes yes yes but your eyes say no no no..

Preachers claim that they spread the words of God.

In true they linguistically Install into human brain self-unzipping Installation package of some specific program designed for very certain purposes by very certain parties for extremely practical means having ABSOLUTLY no relation with salvation of human soul!

Of course, no doubt about.



Oh no, you don’t say so! I am very honest cat.

What the HELL, Enki!!! Here I was, thinking you were some kind of real smart scientist from that side of the pond, a journey man, a time traveler!... Turns out your delusions regarding your religious beLIEves have gotten a good part of your otherwise brilliant gray matter! Need to get back to basics, journey man: What's on the other side of your window, Enki? Reality of delusion?

I am very interested in what you are saying here, could you possible elaborate?

Thanks, I have been studying the techniques used by preachers and I think they used some sort of mass hypnotism to swindle the poor masses into giving them money! Damn televangelists!

Do you believe you can be hypnotized against your will?

No i dont think you can get hypnotized against your will, most of the audience for these 'preachers' are willing hypnotized as they want to believe it. However suibliminal messages are another thing.

So the belief is already there and you are saying that the preachers are using subliminal messages to take their money.
You got proof?

I'm not sure what that is meant to be , but yes i believe that these preachers provide false senses of hope for vulnerable people who are crying out in their desperation. They misquote passages from the bible explaining rules about the 'tithe' and how giving money means you get money. And so these poor individuals who do not have much anyway are brainwashed into believing their lies and give away large amounts which these so called 'men of god' pocket for themselves.
The proof? Personal experience.

Maybe they deserve it for being such gullable bone-heads! The church lay-out belongs to Jerry Falwell's temple, made with the 'contributions' of such gullable bone-heads!

Maybe some study in hypnotism is in order.

...Many are following their beliefs and applying themselves in earnest effort to spread what they believe is truth...

...Truth is beyond any thought, beyond any expression...

Yes you can be hypnotized against your will, the basis of it is that you dont know you are being hypnotised theirfore how do you fight something that in your mind does not exist?

Many are following their beliefs and applying themselves in earnest effort to spread what they believe is truth...


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