I’ve posted a few replies to your comments now, and I have read as much as I can from each of your posts. Honestly I can say I’ve never been happier to be around people with such a rich diversity of opinions, you’ve helped me see though and solidify a lot of what I’m about to put forward. So firstly thank you.

This is not going to be a short essay by any means, and will touch on subjects that can still be somewhat construed as “radical”, I ask you to form your own opinions. I realized in some of my recent posts I could be misinterpreted as I’ve presented so little about what I believe. Feel free to flame, degrade, misinterpret or adopt what I say, I encourage open discussion about anything I believe, I am open to any change and any possibility. I ask the same of you, at least for the moment.

Isn’t it wonderful, we have the life and the world so many people have died for, so much freedom in such abundance, so why aren’t we using it?

Logic and reason dictate to us that since we can get up and leave at pretty much anytime we want we’re free. Okay so we get up and leave what do we do? How do we earn money? How do we live? In reality we’re free to relocate to another place and live a relatively similar life within a relatively similar structure. Okay so we have to do things in order to have a good life, in order to have nice things and provide a good home for our family and ourselves, but that’s life. That doesn’t affect our freedom; it’s just a term we have to adhere to in order to keep our freedom.

There are many more terms and conditions to freedom. You have to think a certain way, no matter your belief you are victim to tainted logic once you believe in anything fixed. Logic, Reason, Idealism, Philosophy, Math’s or whatever the medium used all depend on one critical thing, they are correct.

So we develop our beliefs, and choose the ones that closest fit the way we perceive things. We learn more about the subjects and begin to uncover all the wonderful facets of it, our strengths and weaknesses. We develop our characters and our opinions while all the time learning more and more about our chosen way of life.

Eventually the other aspects of life make less and less sense, and yours explains more and more now truth is born. You now know from experience that what you believe is true, and you know how to collect evidence that shows it to those who share your opinions, and to tempt those who are looking for something to believe in.

Belief becomes reality, reality becomes fact and thinking becomes altered to accept that as fixed reality. More and more innovations come from this “fixed reality” until one day a limit is reached. Suddenly understanding shoots a different way and the cycle begins again.

For all things it’s the same rule. Business, Religion, Philosophy, Science, Art, Thinking everything. So collectively we’ve proved what?

All of our points are valid; we know that, each of us knows the merits of ours. To me it seems they’re all true, and the only real difference is the state of mind of the person who subscribes to which belief and how much energy they put into proving it.

Let go of right and wrong for just a moment and think about this. Basically if the only difference between us is how we interpret reality what does that tell us? Reality, as we know it isn’t real; it is a platform where our beliefs and our ideals play out. It’s a symbolic reaction of who we are, externally represented. Each person is an individual, but each of our reactions are dictated by the person we are reacting to. To say it another way we are responding to an action or with the intent we interpret from it. It’s a seductive model, you always get what you ask for, even if you know your asking for it or not. Time is required for the actions to have meaning and since we currently interpret events in sequential fashion we construct reality to include time to show the projected outcome.

In this way all things can exist simultaneously, in this way infinite amounts of realities can exist because every reality is a product of the individual, we see the result of this reality in our world. All worlds are a product of thought so every thought can theoretically contain it’s own universe as real to the life in it as this is to us.

Once you appreciate this life will become even more beautiful than you ever imagined it could be. By changing yourself, by realizing that everything is a state of mind, a way of thinking about things you can see the extent of your control in life.

Everything is a state of mind, because a state of mind is not a definition. It’s a level of perception, but it can apply to any state, it is a universal concept we can relate to in order to advance our thinking beyond our current capabilities.

Psychologically by recognizing everything as a state of mind means you can create anchors to trigger those states at will, it’s kind of like Google for the brain. You create a platform where you can launch any belief from, and establish anchors to trigger them not only do you have a powerful model for thought, you also have the same model as magick, the same model as devoted faith, the same model as the sciences and their interrelation.

We’re using the right keys in the wrong doors people. God is a state of mind where nothing exists except the self. In a way God is meditating 24/7 either that or wasted.
We are a bubble of light in the sea of nothing, how can God meditate with so much going on you may ask, how can God do nothing?

Some religions believe that we are here in servitude to the Gods. Once again a great philosophy has become raped and misinterpreted by man. We exist because God does not, everything we have and perceive, everything we put value from is derived from God by taking nothing and giving it form. We design it from materials that exist to us, and give it shapes that fit in with our world. Any good craftsman treats craft like creating life because you are giving life. You are changing the very essence of God with everything we do.

We exist in a tiny sphere of consciousness, a state of mind that allows us to see ourselves as separate to God. We are allowed to indulge to any life we want, we’re given a body as a tool but we’re not our bodies.

Consider for a moment does the you that awakens in your dreams ever think about you? If so what do you think about you here? Your dreams all feel so real until you realize they are just a dream, in that moment all of their control over you fades away and you take control. Life is a dream, one for most of us we dream from 7am till 12 everyday.

Without differences, if we all really did live in peace, if everyone loved each other the world as we know it would end. Power systems, finance, corporations, and industries everything would collapse in on itself, as has happened before to other great cities, the same will befall us. Either we take the quantum leap forward we all have a feeling is coming, and push to make it a reality or we just continue as is.

Duality dictates that one side will show dominance for a time but the other side must also show dominance for the same amount. We’re destined to change whether we like it or not. The question now is, are we going to accept it and embrace it or are we going to ignore it and become stagnant?

The world can be a beautiful place where people accept each others differences the only people who need to change for that is you and I. The fights of the world are the products of the people who’re trying to control the world, your countries battle is not yours. We are people caught up in a battle for control, which is lead by the people we empowered and since we put them there we justify their reasons rather than question our own. It’s nothing to be ashamed of, we’re all fallible, we’re all only learning, being wrong isn’t a weakness of character, it’s a strength.

God is a state of mind all religions say they lead to; all sciences state will explain everything and present the first unified theory. God is nothing, because we live in a state that creates the illusion of separation. Every creation in the universe is a reminder that God is there, everything in existence exists because thought took form.

I have more beauty in my life now than I’ve ever had before. Everything I see reminds me of one simple fact, I, you, everything is God. We’re inherently perfect, and through a need to justify ourselves we question our perfect nature and alter it to suit the options we’re presented with.

We can and will create new options; we can and will create a better world, not in spite of but because of our diversity. As I said earlier, we all know our particular way is right, now we need to decipher and refine, find the similarities in emotional reasoning and logic the common expressions and use both of them when judging truth. In this way they apply to all people alike, they cross all boundaries. We don’t need to create a new world we need to find the balance in our current one, and if that balance is letting go of the idea of being better than or needing to have more than any one else, if that balance means the death of the ego and the beginning of a truly common platform then I’m all forward.
We’re all right, we’re all wrong. It’s all perception.

Each one of you has taught me to look on another level for the true meaning of what you say, each one of you has taught me to refine my own thinking a stage farther. I hope you take a little of what I say to heart.

I was actually trying to imply that any pattern of thought that can be generated will produce results that make it reality. All reality on this basis is opinion with enough research to generate results. Theories are created and accepted, which guarantee a result from this way of thinking and research continues from this basis. Reality is a selected collection of theories to present one version of events; it’s shaped by our current understanding and to some extent manipulated to present a one-sided version of events. It’s bias because so are we by our very nature, therefore it is inherently flawed. Nothing but God can determine absolute truth, everything is speculation for us to explore. It’s how we evolve, how we change and ultimately how we’ll be saved.

From the dawn of mans time we've been finding new and exciting ways of doing things. Everything we see it as the best way towards understanding and so we stick with it. To me it seems that all we've proved is that there’s an infinite number of ways to do anything, and by that line of thinking all laws of science and man are only a representation of our current interpretation of life. Nothing is impossible; we just haven’t found a way to do it yet. It doesn’t mean it can never happen, it just means it hasn’t as of yet.

Our next advancement as a race is when we finally recognize that God exists in all things, in all forms. When we fully appreciate this on all levels no conflicts is possible. Then we can start talking about fixed reality. It all begins with taming our nature.

Until then we’ll go on bickering, fighting for the same thing under a different name, allowing our egos to dictate the validity of our beliefs.

Most of my work is to express the idea of a conscious singularity in so many forms that people will start making the leap and see it all around them too.

There is method to my madness

"proof is usually insufficient to sway the conventional wisdom" Indeed and that’s the very point I'm making, we need to rephrase it and make the associations from all things to God, the quest for enlightenment is to rephrase God in a language you understand.

A lot of my beliefs are compatible with pantheism, but for my own reasons I don't like to place my affiliations with any one belief. I like the ability to change my views as I learn more and more, by naming what I feel I become confined to the terms I set down within that name. I struggle to put all the pieces back together and form my own opinion as to what I believe

For reason to rule it would have to be a solid state, with absolute terms and laws. Since we don't have a fixed understanding of anything it's all philosophical, everything can and will change. If something is expressed as a theory, presented in mathematics, philosophy ideology it's still an explanation for one interpretation of reality. No matter how valid it is still an interpretation. Reason because of its definition has limits; it's only one state, one way of producing a result, it’s not a formula for producing undeniable truth.

So just who are you that we should acknowledge your ideas and concepts as something valid to our global and universal conversation?

I prefer to believe that energy and matter (and maybe other such 'things') have ALWAYS existed; they never started and they will never finish - they will just change states (or there have been a succession of 'Big Bangs' or cosmic singularities, which are now so popular).

Humans, with their abilty to reason, 'model' whatever they witness in attempts to 'understand' what is going on. This obviously includes internal and external perceptions, ideas and imaginations etc. supplemented by whatever they are taught or indoctrinated with.
Many wrong conclusions are drawn; much modification is required.
There is only one reality; that which is real.
Accepting that each of us has 'real' thoughts which actually occur in the process of modelling, it is wrong to conclude that these 'realities' are in the same league as true realities.
We need to modify our models of reality until they can be proven or become acceptable as 'the most close representation to date' of true reality for the majority of people.

For me God is 'all that is unknown or not understood' - because we are not capable of understanding it - yet.
We each have different viewpoints, and discussing them openly is the best way to better understanding.
I declare that I have no desire to confuse this issue, and sincerely hope that my thoughts contribute to understanding.
If I am wrong, I will be disappointed for creating a dead-end. But at least, an idea will have been found to be wrong, and may stimulate another persons' thoughts.

Who are you to state your acceptance of an idea i put forward is in rapport with the global and universal conversation? What gives me the right to say it, what gives you the right to question it? As I said it's an outline of what I believe, like everthing else a point of view.

Rhymer you got it exactly, all things are energy in different states, a different expression of the same source. Your describing exactly what I believe, what we all believe, but the only way for it to work is for people to believe in themselves and test reality for themselves, try out different points of view and different ways of thinking about reality in order to gain a richer understanding of existence.

Eventually you begin to notice the similarities in all things and true expression reveals itself. How we percieve things shapes the entire planet, we owe it to ourselves to make the best decisions we can. We decide what can and can't happen because we will only tollerate so much of a certain behavious before we react. We underestimate the part our conscious plays in this world, we disregard so much to coindidence instead of looking at what it could possibly mean in other words we write ourselves off to some extent before we even really understand.

Hi Besus,

Don't get too excited!

I can't offer any proof whatever for what I have written.

Besides some will say that all I have done is remove some of the problems or questions we ask!

It just seems to make some sort of sense to me somehow, after many years of thinking about the various theories (and I'm first to admit that I am not that well read) and my own experiences.
I thionk the key thing for everyone is to feel free to express their thoughts - for what they are worth - without personal criticism an dprejudice creeping into the discussion.
I feel totally inadequate compared with Nature and the Universe or any single atom, and would be disappointed to be proclaimed the 'one who found the ultimate answer'.
I am insignificant in worldy terms - yet very significant to those who value my existence.
I suspect the same applies to us all.

I wrote a post a while back on another forum while i was tossing around some ideas. I came up with this as the basis of modeling in Magick.

"Modeling is creating a set of very powerful beliefs you hold as undeniable absolute truth, in essence it is the source of your power. From these beliefs all future actions will be created so careful attention must be paid to your choice.

The commitment required to this belief cannot be understated. You must be fully prepared and ready to jump off a building and believe you can do it, even if you have no intentions of flying (metaphorically of course). It is the energy given to the belief that is of importance.

You must see yourself as a manifestation of this energy, it is you and all separation is illusion. You must meditate on this energy and feel it in all existence seen and unseen. You must see that everything that happens is a metaphorical response to what’s happening inside, by associating outside to inside, and inside to source you have created the link from which all magic can flow."

We're all looking for the same thing, just under a different name.

"I thionk the key thing for everyone is to feel free to express their thoughts - for what they are worth - without personal criticism and prejudice creeping into the discussion." "I feel totally inadequate compared with Nature and the Universe or any single atom, and would be disappointed to be proclaimed the 'one who found the ultimate answer'" As far as I remember I spent the entire essay discussing those ideals, I'm happy to be among people who are like minded but no one man will ever be held responsible for finding the ultimate answer. One will answer the call but it is a call we all make, and as such the “ultimate answer” has to be the purest expression of life that exists and apply to all forms of energy, a path we all follow.

Honestly, I do not acknowledge the noise until I am comfortable with the source and the signal that it projects. So as to not allow incoherent babble imprint itself onto any of my neural circuitry.

http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/gr/public/holo/

http://www.skyhero.com/reincarnation.htm a simple application of the theory to philosophy.

simple - yes!

simply unbelievable !!!

Are we bordering on Metaphysics here?

is (this) life worth living?

Sorry for my delay posting back, I’ve been very busy indeed.

I continually border on metaphysics, the message is plain to see for everyone who wants to see it. God is in you, Heaven is in you. The source of all miracles happens within yourself.

I’ve taken this extract from a site called jesus-christ.ws I’ll let it speak for itself.

The mantra of the ego is, “Its all about me.” The footprint of the ego is “My way is the only way.” The ego, by nature, will adopt any belief as an identity. Then it is fearful when faced with other beliefs. It feels threatened. There is no love in the ego and the path to God is love - not a belief. The ego must always imagine that it is the center of the universe. Thus, “My way is the only way” comes into being and, by extension, everything with which the ego is associated.

And to Hey Hey life is always worth living because life is the return to God, Zero point what ever absolute you wish to believe in. Life is about finding your own way, be careful when taking wisdom from others words, and remember we exist in the world of the metaphor. Everything is a description, a reflection of the same source; it’s a method of understanding ourselves and no person can give value to your life.

Believe in yourself, I am light, you are light, we are the expression of perfection but we perceive imperfection and thus it becomes reality. We question our nature, doubt ourselves and place to much weight in the opinions of those who claim to know. I claim to know nothing except that I am, at the end of the day it’s all any of us can really know.

If we are all perfection, where does that leave 'becoming'? Is spiritual/mental/physical evolution just an illusion that belies a timeless Being, or is becoming real?

It would leave evolution in its purest form. We start off as lower energy and through experience we can ascend to higher forms. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed it simply moves up the spectrum. All things are aware of life but we have the ability to question it. This gives us the illusion of separation from God or source. I am light, you are light.

All things learn through life, and since all things are a reflection of the same source we all have the ability through understanding to return to this source.

Our perception of evolution, the changes in society our very ways of thinking is a metaphor for our return to a higher state of being. We realize more and more of the universe and ourselves and we will continue to do so until we come to the point where all things are the same.

We perceive difference when there is none, what can decompose and die is not eternal therefore it is not what we are; it is a tool we use. We are the program that runs behind the body, which observes the life and gains the experience, some of us become so involved with what’s outside they loose the ability to see inside. The answer is within Illusion is without.

When you learn something it feels right and becomes accepted to you, this is because it fits the reality that you personally believe in and makes it appear to be more solid. Most of us don't know how to look inside at what we really believe, we look outside to console and comfort ourself. The problem always lies within you, but the ego will dictate the opposite and 9 times out of 10 most of us will follow the ego.

I've never read Chromophobia I'll have to get a copy. I think my final change came when I read The Structure of magic 1 - 2 by Richard Bandler and John Grinder the founders of NLP, based on the hypnotic patterns of Milton Erickson, it's an excellent read.

very poetic but life is in the actions and beliefs we uphold, what we do to invoke change in others and ourselves, existence is sitting around waiting for the answer to drop in your lap and doing nothing about it.

Seek and you shall find has been the call of every great thinker through out time for a very good reason. To get something you have to put the same amount in as you hope to get out Anything handed to you is wasted anything you really work for and continually strive towards is of real value, it changes you, it betters you. Instead of getting caught up in "Whats the meaning of it all" go out and look around you.

See two close friends how they move in time with each other. One makes a gesture the other shortly after.

See two people who dislike each other and they will do everything they can to justify the complete opposite of what the others saying.

A Flower wakes in the morning, and closes at night.

The moon affects the tide.

We're all mirroring flows we know very little about, start by looking at the sequences in your own life and go from there.

I just wanted to say that I have read the on going conversation on this web site, and it reminds me of my adolescence years. I was a young boy I had many a theory like "what if I am so unimportant to god, so small, so insignificant to him, that he dose not even know who I am or that I exist". I would often even compare my self and at times compare the earth to a grain of sand, the smallest grain of sand thinkable, as I grew older I started to developed a sence that we are all god all human beings. I wondered, "what if god is every one"? What if we all are made up of some energy that could some day unify to make god a whole, then I came to a finale question, how would all of man kind realize this?[font=Courier New]

Join the club sdorueidha! We're all in the same boat. I celebrate you for coming to this conclusion. How do you think I found this website? I have a feeling that we've found a home here at brain meta. And I have a feeling that this website is destined for some great things in the future. Stay tuned!

Thanks for the advice unregistered user its nice to know I am not alone, nonsectarian.