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ahmetcelik
It is a fact that those centres of power that have religion and its moral values in their sights have combined the wide opportunities at their disposal and are acting in alliance against people who have religious beliefs. It is actually not that difficult to destroy, in the ideological sense, that wicked alliance, to eliminate the negative and destructive effects of atheist- materialist indoctrination, and to bring about a society where proper morality, happiness, peace, security and well-being prevail. The one way of doing that lies in the three revealed religions (Islam, Judaism and Christianity) joining forces in the light of that common objective.

The task of sincere Christians, Jews and Muslims who possess a conscience and common sense is to wage a joint struggle against evil and those who engage in it, to help one another and to act in a spirit of unity and cooperation. That unity must rest on the principles of love, respect, tolerance, understanding, harmony and cooperation. We must bear in mind the urgency of the situation, and factors likely to give rise to conflict, argument and division must be scrupulously avoided.

Here, Jews, Christians and Muslims are called to join in the light of common objectives to wage a joint struggle against atheism, social and moral degeneration, and to spread good morals throughout the world. This call is to all the sincere, scrupulous, benevolent, agreeable, decent, pacifist, and just Jews, Christians and Muslims.

http://www.unionoffaiths.com
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http://www.muhammedhasenoglu.com

Rick
"...sections that agree with the Qur'an. Both the Old and New Testaments favor love, peace and tolerance..." --Union of Faiths page.

Unfortunately, the poster here seems to be promoting intolerance of atheism.
rhymer
I quote from ahmetcelik:-

"bring about a society where proper morality, happiness, peace, security and well-being prevail."

I agree that these objectives are suitable for mankind; even essential for long term survival.

I don't believe in any God, but live by these rules because I perceive them to be sensible for the creation of acceptable living conditions for the majority.

An atheist denies the existence of Gods, and agnostics doubt the truth of religions.

I suppose I am both of these, and yet I accept lots of the doctrines embodied in religions. This is partly because I was indoctrinated as a child (no choice) and partly because I have witnessed human behaviour for many years and choose the quoted aims as sensible.

Why am I a threat to religions?
I have never tried to break anyones Faith; indeed I think that people who 'believe' need their belief to make their lives more tolerable.
I disagree with anyone who does try to break a persons faith for that reason.

Unfortunately, there is no room for discussion between the religious and the non-religious amongst us, because of the probability of falling out! Some of the non-religious have open minds and seek an unknown Truth; the religious believe that what they do not know is controlled by a God. Since discussion is an insult to that God, the chance of sensible outcomes disappears to zero.
Rick
QUOTE (rhymer @ Jun 28, 03:27 PM)
... I have never tried to break anyones Faith; indeed I think that people who 'believe' need their belief to make their lives more tolerable. ...

Dissuading from false belief may be beneficial. A suicide bomber might think twice if he or she didn't beleive he or she would go to Heaven as a reward for his or her crime. Where belief leads to harm, breaking belief can be good.
rhymer
Well spotted Rick.
I agree with you totally!
Hey Hey
QUOTE (Rick @ Jun 29, 01:01 AM)
QUOTE (rhymer @ Jun 28, 03:27 PM)
... I have never tried to break anyones Faith; indeed I think that people who 'believe' need their belief to make their lives more tolerable. ...

Dissuading from false belief may be beneficial. A suicide bomber might think twice if he or she didn't beleive he or she would go to Heaven as a reward for his or her crime. Where belief leads to harm, breaking belief can be good.

Don't believe anything! Nothing is real (John Lennon). Accept everything as false or an illusion and then we might begin to approach the actual. We will probably never reach it though, although a God must have, by definition. That's why there can't be a God.

If the total sum of knowledge of the universe (i.e. everything) is a 100%, what % do we know now? And how close might we approach 100%. If we did, of course, we would be God. And that just wouldn't do.

(I capitalize God in respect of the believers. We really must try and get on with each other.)
Unknown
QUOTE (Rick @ Jun 28, 09:02 AM)
Unfortunately, the poster here seems to be promoting intolerance of atheism.

it's more than just intolerance of atheism: it's a straw man. Mankind will always be sceptical and retain doubts, but this is not inconsistent with religious experience. Religious dogma involves neither and should probably be disregarded altogether as human attempts to impose rules and beliefs onto religious experiences which do not require such. In other words, religious dogma is empty and false, and in the final analysis, useless. However, religious experience is meaningful and is open to everyone, including the sceptics and disbelievers in dogma.

In other words, God is something to be experienced, not something to be misconstrued and manipulated to fit human needs through the creation of dogma.

If the original poster meant that people with religious beliefs are people who rigidly and blindly maintain some religious dogma without consideration of the actual religious experiences those people have had, well, then, that would just be ignorant. The religious experience is everything, the religious dogma is nothing. People who proclaim religious beliefs typically are hollow and lacking in religious experiences. Those who have the religious experiences do not need to have recourse to the foolishness underlying all religious dogma.
Hey Hey
What's a religious experience, an hallucination? No really, explain please.
Hey Hey
Hey, I'm avatarless! It's quite lonely here without any pictures!
Rick
QUOTE (Hey Hey @ Jun 29, 05:50 PM)
What's a religious experience, an hallucination? No really, explain please.

Religious experience is real. However, I prefer to call it reverence. It must also be understood and integrated into the personality using reason to be most effective for good. Uncritical surrender to religious feeling can be harmful if one is guided only by false dogma or unscrupulous charismatic leaders.
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