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Trip like I do
Definetely right there Rick, we can't control every aspect of what others perceive of us.

Having lived in many different locals across Canada, I've come to realize that every community emphasizes different values across the board.

Although you are perceived as such in one place, you are perceived differently in another. It's quite fascinating actually.
Trip like I do
How about simultaneous thinking between you and your doppelgangers in other parallel universes?
Rick
QUOTE (Trip like I do @ May 19, 03:56 AM)
How about simultaneous thinking between you and your doppelgangers in other parallel universes?

There are no other parallel universes. If we could communicate with or observe one, it would be part of this one by definition. If we can't communicate with or observe one, there is no way to demonstrate it exists, and therefore isn't worth talking about.
Trip like I do
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa...EA5809EC5880000

Well, they're not just a staple of science fiction! Other universes are a direct implication of cosmological observations.
Trip like I do
The most pop. cosmological model today predicts that you have a twin in a galaxy about 10^10^28 meters from here.

The hubble volume is now about 4x10^26 meters away.

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The universes of your doppelgangers are speres of the same size centered on their planets.

Each universe is merely a small part of a larger multiverse.

Fronteirs of physics have gradually expanded to incorporate ever more abstract (and once metaphysical) concepts such as a round Earth, invisible electromagnetic feilds, curved space, and black holes, and over the last several years the concept of a multiverse has joined this list.

It is grounded in well-tested theories such as relativity and quantum mechanics, and fulfills both of the basic criteria of an empirical science: it makes predictions, and it can be falsified.

scientists have discussed as many as four distinct types of parallel universes. The question is not whether the multiverse exists but rather how many levels it has.
Hey Hey
QUOTE (Trip like I do @ May 18, 01:16 AM)
QUOTE (Hey Hey @ May 17, 05:45 PM)
And why would you want to insult the whole USA for points/comments raised by one citizen? Again I am embarrased that USAism has shown its ugly head.

You, too do, make me chuckle to myself heartely Hey Hey.

Typical Brit, so hot tempered and quick for a fight. I had a lot of British buddies out in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, so I'm speaking of experience. Although, these ones did drink quite alot and consumed alot of drugs, but that don't sound very British-like does it, withe a sovergn Queen and all? (phucking hooligans, especially when soccer is involved, eh Hey?)

Such a stereotype, eh? Espescially out of an eskimo, from the great white north living in an igloo.

Canada, the true north strong and free, eh!

But wait, now I'm pulling an Enki!

Weird!

Hey Hey, I am starting to believe that you have something against Canadians?

Hey, Your Queen Elizabeth is arriving here next week, and am I ever excited, wink wink

Saskatchewan, I do believe. Poor girl, a week in Sask.

P.S.

Don't have a cow man!

What's football?

When did I say I was a Brit?

Not quick off the mark; just notice when isms occur. Also used to treading on undergraduate-like inadequates so that the interesting stuff can restart.

OK, I drink quite a lot. I just like my tea, that's all. And yep, I take four drugs each day.

Queen - I have no interest in historical class systems but I have to admit to admiring Robin Hood.

Igloos are OK for the Ig's. I prefer the warmer weather.

My first PhD student was from New Scotland - big cars and lots of snow. (And no good whiskeys - but I'm prepared to try any you can recommend....and send).

I'm done Don. Did it drinking tea whilst whistling, spinning my chair and thinking about the next poem. Spilt tea on my desk, choked and fell from the chair. I was very dizzy and the poem was crap.
Trip like I do
QUOTE (Rick @ May 18, 02:31 PM)
QUOTE (Trip like I do @ May 17, 05:51 PM)
... the illusions that we all employ as an objective fact of life.  The way you dress, the colour of your shirt, the way you talk, the words you speak, the innontations that you deliver with and without speech, the cut of your hair, the stare of an eye, a gestur, a motion etc. at every level.

Some images are illusory by intention, some by accident, and some are true.

....We engage in myriad forms of nonverbal deception, too: we use makeup, hairpieces, cosmetic surgery, clothing and other forms of adornment to disguise our true appearance, and we apply artificial fragrances to misrepresent our body odors. We cry crocodile tears, fake orgasms and flash phony "have a nice day" smiles. Out-and-out verbal lies are just a small part of the vast tapestry of human deceit....
Hey Hey
QUOTE (Trip like I do @ May 23, 10:52 PM)
QUOTE (Rick @ May 18, 02:31 PM)
QUOTE (Trip like I do @ May 17, 05:51 PM)
... the illusions that we all employ as an objective fact of life.  The way you dress, the colour of your shirt, the way you talk, the words you speak, the innontations that you deliver with and without speech, the cut of your hair, the stare of an eye, a gestur, a motion etc. at every level.

Some images are illusory by intention, some by accident, and some are true.

....We engage in myriad forms of nonverbal deception, too: we use makeup, hairpieces, cosmetic surgery, clothing and other forms of adornment to disguise our true appearance, and we apply artificial fragrances to misrepresent our body odors. We cry crocodile tears, fake orgasms and flash phony "have a nice day" smiles. Out-and-out verbal lies are just a small part of the vast tapestry of human deceit....

it's called procreation.

and it's simultaneous (pun intended) with life.
Rick
If procreation and life are good, then wouldn't they be better without deception?
Unknown
Maybe, but according to this article, we as a collective society engage in it regularly and enjoy it.
Hey Hey
QUOTE (Rick @ May 26, 12:03 AM)
If procreation and life are good, then wouldn't they be better without deception?

just part of the battle for a mate.
Rick
They say that all's fair in love and war.
Trip like I do
But, do you lie to your mates? Is there such thing as small lies? "

No honey, you don't look fat in that dress."
Rick
Your punishment for being truthful is not getting laid.
Trip like I do
lol

no doubt!

....and is there punisment for lying, i.e cognitive functioning (psychological) or when you meet your maker and have to attone for your discretions?
Trip like I do
In those situations is there not a way of being truthful without being hurtful and avoid any future repercussions?
Hey Hey
unfortunately can't meet my maker(s) as they have both passed away. did their job and then nature moved them on. won't it be terrible when the human lifespan is extended to hundreds or thousands of years (and maybe more) - especially if there is no expanded consciousness or simultaneous thinking. evolution didn't make plans for that. I suppose when we crack the light speed problem there will a way to get around the overcrowding. in the meantime I imagine there will a longevity class system. bill gates's relatives should be OK though.
Hey Hey
The reason talking on a cell phone makes drivers less safe may be that the brain can't simultaneously give full attention to both the visual task of driving and the auditory task of listening, a study by a Johns Hopkins University psychologist suggests. The study, published in a recent issue of "The Journal of Neuroscience," reinforces earlier behavioral research on the danger of mixing mobile phones and motoring.

"Our research helps explain why talking on a cell phone can impair driving performance, even when the driver is using a hands-free device," said Steven Yantis, a professor in the Department of Psychological and Brain Sciences in the university's Zanvyl Krieger School of Arts and Sciences.

"The reason?" he said. "Directing attention to listening effectively 'turns down the volume' on input to the visual parts of the brain. The evidence we have right now strongly suggests that attention is strictly limited -- a zero-sum game. When attention is deployed to one modality -- say, in this case, talking on a cell phone -- it necessarily extracts a cost on another modality -- in this case, the visual task of driving."

Yantis's chief collaborator on this research project was Sarah Shomstein, who was a doctoral candidate at Johns Hopkins. Shomstein is now a post-doctoral fellow at Carnegie-Mellon University.

Though the results of Yantis' research can be applied to the real world problem of drivers and their cell phones, that was not directly what the professor and his team studied. Instead, healthy young adults ages 19 to 35 were brought into a neuroimaging lab and asked to view a computer display while listening to voices over headphones. They watched a rapidly changing display of multiple letters and digits, while listening to three voices speaking letters and digits at the same time. The purpose was to simulate the cluttered visual and auditory input people deal with every day.

Using functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), Yantis and his team recorded brain activity during each of these tasks. They found that when the subjects directed their attention to visual tasks, the auditory parts of their brain recorded decreased activity, and vice versa.

Yantis' team also examined the parts of the brain that control shifts of attention. They discovered that when a person was instructed to move his attention from vision to hearing, for instance, the brain's parietal cortex and the prefrontal cortex produced a burst of activity that the researchers interpreted as a signal to initiate the shift of attention. This surprised them, because it has previously been thought that those parts of the brain were involved only in visual functions.

"Ultimately, we want to understand the connection between voluntary acts of the will (for instance, a choice to shift attention from vision to hearing), changes in brain activity (reflecting both the initiation of cognitive control and the effects of that control), and resultant changes in the performance of a task, such as driving," Yantis said. "By advancing our understanding of the connection between mind, brain and behavior, this research may help in the design of complex devices – such as airliner cockpits – and may help in the diagnosis and treatment of neurological disorders such as ADHD or schizophrenia."

This type of work also informs debates about the safety of mobile phone use while driving. It suggests that when attention is focused on listening, vision is affected even at very early stages of visual perception. A paper describing the research appeared in the Nov. 24, 2004, issue of the Journal of Neuroscience (10702-10706).

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Contact: Lisa De Nike
Lde@jhu.edu
443-287-9960
Johns Hopkins University
VietSteve
QUOTE (Trip like I do @ May 11, 08:23 PM)
Some key points of interest!

Let these thoughts perculate and see if your mind makes any leaps across previously uncrossible chasms!

Bucke, Richard Maurice (1901). Cosmic Consciousness. New York: Innes & Sons.

Cosmic Consciousness (1901) – Richard Maurice Bucke, M.D.


Minds do vary in complexity between animals, but consciousness does not vary, to treat it as though it can make it into some unnecessary new metaphysical realm.



Minds do vary in complexity between animals, but consciousness does not vary, to treat it as though it can make it into some unnecessary new metaphysical realm. .

Hey Hey
I'm still practicing, but no luck yet.
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