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Those who seek shall find. There should be some water. There must be some water. There will be some water. If not we shall generate it there from something. Nanorobots of future transforming something into another thing shall change Mars into something chewable for short period of time. Hm? Mankind must expand.
QUOTE(Enki @ Jul 08, 2008, 10:12 AM) 
Those who seek shall find. There should be some water. There must be some water. There will be some water. ...
Now what did I tell you about wishful thinking? Eventually, reality must be accepted.
You know Rick I have great experience of modifying the reality.
Mind my words, we shall find water there. We shall!
I want mankind to inhabit Mars and we shall go there.
Mind my words, we shall find water there. We shall!
I want mankind to inhabit Mars and we shall go there.
Wishful thinking is not such a bad thing Rick.
Someone should tell them that honey and milk flows there on Mars, is not it?
Someone should tell them that honey and milk flows there on Mars, is not it?
Lie to maintain an illusion? Too Repugligan for my taste. I will tell the truth to all who will hear it, illusions be damned.
For the reality-based faction, truth is all-important.
For the reality-based faction, truth is all-important.
Why lie? Just excite a little fantasy about Eldorado on Mars! Why not? I am also a great proponent of truth by the way. Let call it hope, not illusion. I think you should agree that there should be some hope.
Hope, yes, but reality based hope. Not hope that the lies are true. Until it's proven beyond doubt that Mars really is completely dry, we can hope there is water there, but I wouldn't bet on it. For a society in solar orbit, the cheapest (energetically) water may be from the Oort cloud of comets.
Well. There is a lot of research ahead. Let us see what they will find in the comming years.
In this section the Reply Button works. Interesting.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/phoenix/relea...?ArticleID=1784
NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander Extending Trench
July 14, 2008
TUCSON, Ariz. -- NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander is using its Robotic Arm to enlarge an exposure of hard subsurface material expected to yield a sample of ice-rich soil for analysis in one of the lander's ovens.
The trench was about 20 by 30 centimeters (8 by 12 inches) after work by the arm on Saturday. The team sent commands today to extend the longer dimension by about 15 centimeters (6 inches).
Experiments with a near-duplicate of the lander in Tucson during the past week indicate that the bigger surface is needed to allow steps planned for collecting an icy sample from the Martian trench informally named "Snow White."
"Right now, there is not enough real estate of dark icy soil in the trench to do a sample acquisition test and later a full-up acquisition" for the Thermal and Evolved-Gas Analyzer, said Ray Arvidson, Phoenix's "dig czar," from Washington University in St. Louis. The arm's rasp will kick the icy soil into the scoop through a special capture mechanism, and scientists also want to scoop up any loose material left in the trench from the rasping activity, Arvidson said.
Samples of shallower, non-icy soil from the Snow White trench have already been examined in Phoenix's wet chemistry laboratory and optical microscope, and a fork-like probe has checked how well nearby soil conducts electricity and heat.
"The Phoenix science team is working diligently to analyze the results of the tests from these various instruments," said Phoenix principal investigator Peter Smith. "The preliminary signatures we are seeing are intriguing. Before we release results, we want to verify that our interpretations are correct by conducting laboratory tests."
As the Robotic Arm was extracting the fork-like conductivity probe from the soil on Saturday, the arm contacted a rock called "Alice,"
near the "Snow White" trenching area. The arm is programmed to stop activity when it encounters an obstacle. The team assessed the arm's status on Sunday and decided to resume use of the arm on Monday. Today's commands call for the Robotic Arm to move away from the rock, dump out soil that is in the scoop and extend the Snow White trench approximately 15 centimeters (6 inches) toward the lander.
The Phoenix mission is led by Smith of the University of Arizona with project management at JPL and development partnership at Lockheed Martin, Denver. International contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus, Denmark; Max Planck Institute, Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute. For more about Phoenix, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix and http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/phoenix/relea...?ArticleID=1784
NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander Extending Trench
July 14, 2008
TUCSON, Ariz. -- NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander is using its Robotic Arm to enlarge an exposure of hard subsurface material expected to yield a sample of ice-rich soil for analysis in one of the lander's ovens.
The trench was about 20 by 30 centimeters (8 by 12 inches) after work by the arm on Saturday. The team sent commands today to extend the longer dimension by about 15 centimeters (6 inches).
Experiments with a near-duplicate of the lander in Tucson during the past week indicate that the bigger surface is needed to allow steps planned for collecting an icy sample from the Martian trench informally named "Snow White."
"Right now, there is not enough real estate of dark icy soil in the trench to do a sample acquisition test and later a full-up acquisition" for the Thermal and Evolved-Gas Analyzer, said Ray Arvidson, Phoenix's "dig czar," from Washington University in St. Louis. The arm's rasp will kick the icy soil into the scoop through a special capture mechanism, and scientists also want to scoop up any loose material left in the trench from the rasping activity, Arvidson said.
Samples of shallower, non-icy soil from the Snow White trench have already been examined in Phoenix's wet chemistry laboratory and optical microscope, and a fork-like probe has checked how well nearby soil conducts electricity and heat.
"The Phoenix science team is working diligently to analyze the results of the tests from these various instruments," said Phoenix principal investigator Peter Smith. "The preliminary signatures we are seeing are intriguing. Before we release results, we want to verify that our interpretations are correct by conducting laboratory tests."
As the Robotic Arm was extracting the fork-like conductivity probe from the soil on Saturday, the arm contacted a rock called "Alice,"
near the "Snow White" trenching area. The arm is programmed to stop activity when it encounters an obstacle. The team assessed the arm's status on Sunday and decided to resume use of the arm on Monday. Today's commands call for the Robotic Arm to move away from the rock, dump out soil that is in the scoop and extend the Snow White trench approximately 15 centimeters (6 inches) toward the lander. The Phoenix mission is led by Smith of the University of Arizona with project management at JPL and development partnership at Lockheed Martin, Denver. International contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus, Denmark; Max Planck Institute, Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute. For more about Phoenix, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix and http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu.
But still no H2O.
"The preliminary signatures we are seeing are intriguing"
.... now this intrigues me!
.... now this intrigues me!
They will maximize the suspense and probably never getting to around to stating that they haven't actually found water. Just intriguing results.
We shall see Dr. Rick.
QUOTE(Rick @ Jul 16, 2008, 01:53 PM)
But still no H2O.
Rick! We have water! Phoenix Mission is Successful!
QUOTE
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/...says-phoen.html
NASA says Phoenix Mars Lander finds proof of water on the planet
The Phoenix Mars Lander has found conclusive proof of the presence of water on Mars, the Tucson Citizen reports.
It quotes Peter Smith, principal investigator for the University-of-Arizona-led missions, as saying his scientific team "is fully convinced this is H2O."
The frozen water was found in a soil sample collected and analyzed this week, the newspaper says.
NASA says Phoenix Mars Lander finds proof of water on the planet
The Phoenix Mars Lander has found conclusive proof of the presence of water on Mars, the Tucson Citizen reports.
It quotes Peter Smith, principal investigator for the University-of-Arizona-led missions, as saying his scientific team "is fully convinced this is H2O."
The frozen water was found in a soil sample collected and analyzed this week, the newspaper says.
So wishful thinking you say?
HA!
Miracle.
You see I was right. Water of Wonderland.
))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))0We go to Mars Rick!
I think it is time to start to think about Cosmic Navy for our Empire. What do you think Gentlemen?
Good news! Enki was right, and I'm glad I was wrong.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...mars-water.html
About one percent water in the soil sample tested. That's significant and makes Mars a viable source of water for future space travelers.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...mars-water.html
About one percent water in the soil sample tested. That's significant and makes Mars a viable source of water for future space travelers.
QUOTE(Rick @ Aug 01, 2008, 08:47 AM)
Good news! Enki was right, and I'm glad I was wrong.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...mars-water.html
About one percent water in the soil sample tested. That's significant and makes Mars a viable source of water for future space travelers.
Extremely significant! Miraculous events I should say.
So, now, we have there some water, good soil: all initial ingredients for colonization.
Now. Dear Humans [
], it is really a historic day: the 'Gods' granted you new opportunities on Mars. Onward!The show goes on!
Yes Trip, we are going forward.
QUOTE(Rick @ Jul 01, 2008, 06:21 PM)
I wouldn't bet on it.
Care to reasses this statement yet Rick?
QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Aug 03, 2008, 05:03 PM)
QUOTE(Rick @ Jul 01, 2008, 06:21 PM)
I wouldn't bet on it.
Trip like I do
post Jul 02, 2008, 05:07 AM
Neither would I Rick.... but that is what was stated in the article!
Care to reasses this statement yet Rick?
Seems you both made the same bet. Perhaps you could answer your own question.
If water is now confirmed to have been found in some form on Mars, well then there is now a strong possibility that life could be found in some form somewhere on Mars! Think of all the harsh environments where life is found on Earth!
Cool avatar Trip, where the ball is from?
Thank you, impressive indeed. Very cute.
http://technology.sympatico.msn.ca/Scienti...c=abc&date=True
.... the main ingredient in solid rocket fuel
.... the main ingredient in solid rocket fuel
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=perchl...fe-mars-phoenix
NASA had briefed the White House on findings related to the habitability of Mars that the agency had not disclosed in recent press briefings.
NASA had briefed the White House on findings related to the habitability of Mars that the agency had not disclosed in recent press briefings.
You know Trip I think humanity should solve major 7 problems first
1. Put all forces to make very significant shift in Medicine curing all currently known ailments: some sort of International Grand Human Project.
2. Create Android Robot for home services: human-like robot that will help humans in home, which even will go to shopping etc.
3. Create special Hub blocks and special Robots to start to colonize Mars.
4. Find new sources of energy and discard oil, gas, coal and uranium.
5. Solve management problems in planetary scale so to save our planet from global warming, be able to launch international programs on forests planting, create planetary asteroid defense shield, fight international terrorism, remove dictators and promote democracy. Some sort of Real World Government.
6. Derive schemes of population control in planetary scale.
7. Regulate relations with the Celestial beings officially and publicly.
That what we really need. And I am sure that the Wonderland shall back all 7 points if mankind shall venture to accomplish them together.
1. Put all forces to make very significant shift in Medicine curing all currently known ailments: some sort of International Grand Human Project.
2. Create Android Robot for home services: human-like robot that will help humans in home, which even will go to shopping etc.
3. Create special Hub blocks and special Robots to start to colonize Mars.
4. Find new sources of energy and discard oil, gas, coal and uranium.
5. Solve management problems in planetary scale so to save our planet from global warming, be able to launch international programs on forests planting, create planetary asteroid defense shield, fight international terrorism, remove dictators and promote democracy. Some sort of Real World Government.
6. Derive schemes of population control in planetary scale.
7. Regulate relations with the Celestial beings officially and publicly.
That what we really need. And I am sure that the Wonderland shall back all 7 points if mankind shall venture to accomplish them together.
Fantastic news Trip!!!
Ice Clouds in Martian Arctic (Accelerated Movie)!!!
Rick we definitely go to Mars! You see the Mission with such a name had to make such a tremendous progress.
Ice Clouds in Martian Arctic (Accelerated Movie)!!!
Rick we definitely go to Mars! You see the Mission with such a name had to make such a tremendous progress.
..... snow found on Mars!
QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Sep 30, 2008, 01:59 AM)
..... snow found on Mars!
Whau, Snow! Excellent.
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