Perfection – How would we define it?

Ideally as per the popular belief – Perfection is something, which has every element in its proper place and proper amount, such that nothing is more or less than requierd. That is a general definition of Perfection. This brings us to the conclusion that Perfection is something that doesn’t require any further modification, in any sense, which means Perfection, is something that will not to change. Because to change means either to spoil it or make it better, but how can it be made better if it is already perfect and to spoil is never the objective. We then are left with a thought that Perfection does not Change.

But according to the Universal Law of Existence – Change is an inevitable part of the Existence. Which means every element in the existence has to undergo Change from time to time in order to remain as the part of the existence. Our life is an example of this fact. Nothing in our life is constant, even the most personal thing of ours – i.e. Our Thoughts.

How then can Perfection go along with the Nature’s Law? It doesn’t. A State Of Perfection if it doesn’t change with time will soon become outdated and imperfect. Now, One would wonder - the System Of Perfection to be so designed that it changes along with time such that the system updates itself time to time and maintains its State Of Perfection at all point of time. Quite possible, we would like to believe. But doesn’t this mean that the System Of Perfection is solely dependant on the Universal Law of Existence to maintain its State Of Perfection.

This raises another question to us – How can a System that contradicts the Universal Law be dependant on the same Universal Law. Perfection is that which doesn’t require Change and the Universal Law dictates that Change is inevitable. Nature by itself will not have two Laws that would contradict each other, more so still be dependant on each other. The whole of Existence cannot be based on laws that negate each other or nullify each other. This would create Chaos in the Existence, which is not the case. Entire Existence functions as a smooth process. We can thereby conclude that Perfection is not a Law Of Nature, which in turn means it is a derivative of Human Mind – the only other being that can conceive a Concept.

Perfection is then merely a Concept of Human Mind. But no two minds think alike. So the Concept Of Perfection of one would not be similar to that of others. The Concept is likely to differ from person to person and in the domains of minds there is no inequality. No mind is superior or inferior to another mind. How then can a decision be reached as to what is truly the Criteria for Perfection. There simply cannot be a stable Concept Of Perfection, which would be common throughout existence. Then, to strive for Perfection is like going on an endless journey that doesn’t have a destination.

Is it Worth then…?

On second thought, there is only one thing that can truly satisfy the Criteria Of Perfection - One that is beyond the Nature’s Law – the Nature itself. Nature is the only part of the existence, which doesn’t undergo change. Neither its laws have changed nor its functionality. So Nature alone is Perfect in the whole of existence. And Nature of consists of beings – both livings and non-livings. In that case, every element of existence including us along with all our imperfections, contribute to the Perfection of the Existence. Even though Perfection is a concept derived from our Mind, we may never attain Perfection, but our imperfection is what makes Nature Perfect.

Shouldn’t that make us proud?


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One is dissatisfied, only when he is satisfied with the dissatisfaction.
Satisfaction is our very nature.

perfection is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow that guides us away from darkness

Let's say Nature is a Magician and he has cast his spell on us.
We are under the spell, but not the Magician.

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Just wanted to initiate a thought process.
What say?

An apple is an apple. An apple tree is an apple tree. Could one exist without the other? Does that seperation exist, in truth, at all? Not without the minds interference. Perfection and imperfection are different ways of talking about the same thing. True perfection is perhaps ballancing the two and embracing them with your whole being. Since exsistence includes both and emphasises neither, who are we to pick and choose? Obviously there are hundreds of half-cocked theories regarding perfection, regarding everything really. So natrurally that means no matter what you come up with regarding perfection, can't be perfection, no matter how beautifully done. Maybe perfection lies in forgetting about it alltogether, since whatever we come up with will never match up with the essence of perfection itself. We're propably all perfect right now and just think we're not due to the fact that we like this and not that, that and not this. Freedom of choice let's you look at it anyway you wish, the mystery of existence, penetrate the dream. Not that pondering things like this is wrong in any way. Just that the nature of your pondering lies mostly in someone elses preconceptions and not in your own perfection which inherantly exists everywhere, outside our pale abilities to reduce it to something manageable or commonplace in the weary confines of human space. Not a trace, not a trace!
Well, what is perfection? I have no idea.

Dakota

But an apple is not actually an apple. At least we don't know if it is. we just see an apple, but seeing is a trick that our eyes, brain and mind plays on us. we cannot strive for something that we cannot define. In everyday language I suppose I agree with Dan, in that we might strive for perfection knowing that we cannot reach it, but advance/expand our experiences on the way.

'Apple' is a human word for what is perceived by humans to be the fruit of the 'apple' tree.
Therefore, an 'apple' is an 'apple'.

What the real thing is - we do not know.

What influence does a photograph of an 'apple', ie., an independent view of an 'apple' have on you?
Does it give you any confidence that an 'apple' as we perceive it, is quite close to the real thing, or do you presume that this is just a coincidence or perhaps due to 'built-in' design concepts for cameras and film or electronic equivalents to make photo's similar to what we perceive?

The proof of the apple is in the eating.

But!!!!... caterpillars can't tell us what they find.

Perfection is a human concept.

We never know when we are perceiving perfection, but gladly call something perfect if we are totally satisfied with it. This happens for different people with different requirements and expectations.
For those things made by humans to a specification, there may be perfection in the implementation of the design and manufacture, but since no specification can be perfect it follows that whatever we make cannot be perfect.

It is becoming obvious for example that the specification for Windows, extensive as no doubt it is in terms of what it WILL do, has been grossly lacking in terms of what it will NOT do (viz., block all attempts by malware (which is probably unspecifiable anyway)).

'Chaotic Inflation' - where we start out with chaos and we end in perfection.

Hey guys im new to this forum anyways..
Defining perfection is hard because everyone has diffrent views of what it is, I suppose you could get a general idea of what most people might think of as perfect but does that nessecarily make something perfect?

Churches view their gods as perfection, Hollywood has views of drop dead gorgeous women and so on. I would assume out of the seven billion people in this world, someone somewhere a person might view themselves as perfect, and how could you prove them wrong?

I have to agree with rymer that perfection is a human concept, although it may or may not be limited to humans alone.

-Perfection is in the eye of the beholder.

'Perfection' is kind of like 'Art'. What is 'Art' if not subjective?