(t4e two letters between f and i are disabled on my keyboard so im usin9 9 and 4 to replace t4em...)
i was t4inkin9 yesterday, and i wonder, w4at t4e 4ell am i fuckin9 9ood for? w4atever i do wit4 my life i want it to revolve around music. but w4at 9ood can music possibly do anybody? of course music makes people 4appy. and so does tv. and so does sex. and so do dru9s. w4y add to it? of course its 9ood to make people 4appy. so ill play some music in america and make people 4appy w4ile people die of aids and starvation in africa and murder in t4e middle east by us and t4eir own fuckin9 nei94bors. my music sure will fuckin9 better t4e world. music is fuckin9 wort4less. but music is my life. and t4eres no way i can feel complete wit4out music.
Full Version: music
It helps brain to grow in right direction, but sometimes it has reverse effect. It depends on music’s quality and philosophy of composition. I do not write music but understand it quite well. A good composer can compose such one that can change the world to the best. To make Middle East normal place to live the classical music of Mozart, Bach and Beethoven have to be distributed there for free with portable players having long-run autonomous power supply with good earphones. If young Arabs will listen that music it will change them once and forever, they will like beauty and there will be a cultural revolution. I think that must be done. By the way, I think it is very good idea. What do you think my dear Flowerfairy?
| QUOTE (Enki @ Jan 21, 07:13 AM) |
| To make Middle East normal place to live the classical music of Mozart, Bach and Beethoven have to be distributed there for free with portable players having long-run autonomous power supply with good earphones. If young Arabs will listen that music it will change them once and forever, they will like beauty and there will be a cultural revolution. I think that must be done. By the way, I think it is very good idea. What do you think my dear Flowerfairy? |
that is a pretty bold statement. i think that music can be powerful to some extent, but i personally don't think that music by mozart or bach or beethoven or any music that i've ever heard for that matter has the power to inspire a whole cultural revolution in the middle east, especially if that music is coming from places other than the middle east. and anyway, i am no mozart or bach or beethoven. if i thought that the music that i myself make could have the power to inspire a cultural revolution in the middle east i would F**KING die trying... but i have never heard music that strong, and i certainly can't play it.
but, as far as distributing music to young arabs for free with portable players, i think that that is a very excellent idea, and as soon as i have a strong enough basis to do something like that i think that i am going to try it. and through the idea of spreading music to other countries, you've just given me the idea that maybe something i can do with my life is travel to places like the middle east and africa and give people music lessons. i used to teach violin at a school for underprivilaged children, children who were drug addicts or homeless or disabled or victims of abuse and other horrible conditions, and the way that they clung onto the music i taught them as if it were a tangible net of beauty and comfort, if i could give that to people living under the same conditions in other countries i don't think that it could inspire a cultural revolution but it could at least give them a channel to express the beauty and ugliness inside of themselves through music. do you think that would be effective at all?
Music is by no means worthless. Whether you create or just listen, music is one of the greatest ways to inspire emotion. It makes people sad, angry, nostalgic, and a million different emotions as well as making them feel good. Music is also great as a distraction from everyday life. I've been playing in various swing bands, bands, orchestras, pit orchestras, brass choirs, etc... for a few years now, and the reactions I see in people who hear the music I play have inspired me to keep playing. The only music that is worthless, is music that lacks passion. Listen harder to mozart, go see an opera performed by professionals, listen for the music next time you see a moive, listen beyond the notes. Music has already helped cause cultural revolutions. Mostly in Europe. When jazz was watered down for the white American public in the 20's and 30's it helped created a whole new way of living and thinking for the American public.
As for the classical music for Arabs idea, I think it would meet too much cultural resistance and suspicion to work. Especially if it was connected with the West. Perhaps if there was more encouragement and funding for them to develop more of their own music or musical style, which could then be widely distributed, there would be some kind of change.
Keep making passionate music. Just because you're not picked up by a record label dosn't mean that you, or your music, is worthless. Most of Bach's music was not liked/appreciated or known of until after he died. Traveling to different countries and giving music lessons is one of the greatest gifts I think you could give. Perhaps you will be the one to inspire those in the middle east to compose?
As for the classical music for Arabs idea, I think it would meet too much cultural resistance and suspicion to work. Especially if it was connected with the West. Perhaps if there was more encouragement and funding for them to develop more of their own music or musical style, which could then be widely distributed, there would be some kind of change.
Keep making passionate music. Just because you're not picked up by a record label dosn't mean that you, or your music, is worthless. Most of Bach's music was not liked/appreciated or known of until after he died. Traveling to different countries and giving music lessons is one of the greatest gifts I think you could give. Perhaps you will be the one to inspire those in the middle east to compose?
Flowerfairy,
You speak of music like someone who knows nothing of music; and please don't mis-understand, I'm not saying this to chide you. I just find it hard to believe that someone who has taught the beauty of the feeling of the violin can say, that they have never known music strong enough to fuel a revolution.
How can you possibly not feel the strength of the music played, especially on an instrument as emotionally charged as a violin?
Myself, I don't play any instruments and I rue the day that I gave up trying; but I sing and I write lyrics. I used to be with a couple of different groups that, although what we played was rocknroll, we could get a joint jumping to point the management would have to close the bar early because the people would be just too rowdy.
Can music change the world? I don't believe for a moment that it could.
Can it change people? Oh yeah!!!!
Forget changing the world, just change one person or at least help that one person to change. Show them how to help effect a change in someone else, through music.
The power of music isn't in what we like or dislike about what we hear, it's in how it fires anothers emotion and what they in turn do with the fire you spark.
You speak of music like someone who knows nothing of music; and please don't mis-understand, I'm not saying this to chide you. I just find it hard to believe that someone who has taught the beauty of the feeling of the violin can say, that they have never known music strong enough to fuel a revolution.
How can you possibly not feel the strength of the music played, especially on an instrument as emotionally charged as a violin?
Myself, I don't play any instruments and I rue the day that I gave up trying; but I sing and I write lyrics. I used to be with a couple of different groups that, although what we played was rocknroll, we could get a joint jumping to point the management would have to close the bar early because the people would be just too rowdy.
Can music change the world? I don't believe for a moment that it could.
Can it change people? Oh yeah!!!!
Forget changing the world, just change one person or at least help that one person to change. Show them how to help effect a change in someone else, through music.
The power of music isn't in what we like or dislike about what we hear, it's in how it fires anothers emotion and what they in turn do with the fire you spark.
unknown-
i know as muc4 about music as listenin9 to it since i was 5, playin9 violin for 6 years, and playin9 in a rock band for 2 years 4as tau94t me. i feel more passionately about music t4an anyt4in9 else in my life. i a9ree wit4 you t4at music can 4ave profound power, because it certainly does for me. listenin9 to music 4as inspired me a 9reat deal, but t4e main t4in9 it 4as inspired me to do is make my own music. and probably t4e reason for t4is was t4at i was musically inclined. but i dont know w4at effect music would 4ave on someone w4o was not musically inclined or someone w4o wasnt creative at all, t4ats w4at made it seem to me like it mi94t not be as powerful for most people as it is for me.
but, you 4ave reminded me of a very powerful lesson from a poem a friend of mine once wrote...
`youve but to take t4e 4and next
and t4e 4and before
circle set, time stops
w4ere do we 9o?`
maybe startin9 a cultural revolution is as simple as takin9 someones 4and in t4e middle east and, t4rou94 music, and inspirin9 t4at person enou94 to take t4e 4and of t4e person next to 4im. if t4e c4ain continues until t4e circle is set, maybe music will someday 4ave t4e power to c4an9e t4e world.
t4ank you
i know as muc4 about music as listenin9 to it since i was 5, playin9 violin for 6 years, and playin9 in a rock band for 2 years 4as tau94t me. i feel more passionately about music t4an anyt4in9 else in my life. i a9ree wit4 you t4at music can 4ave profound power, because it certainly does for me. listenin9 to music 4as inspired me a 9reat deal, but t4e main t4in9 it 4as inspired me to do is make my own music. and probably t4e reason for t4is was t4at i was musically inclined. but i dont know w4at effect music would 4ave on someone w4o was not musically inclined or someone w4o wasnt creative at all, t4ats w4at made it seem to me like it mi94t not be as powerful for most people as it is for me.
but, you 4ave reminded me of a very powerful lesson from a poem a friend of mine once wrote...
`youve but to take t4e 4and next
and t4e 4and before
circle set, time stops
w4ere do we 9o?`
maybe startin9 a cultural revolution is as simple as takin9 someones 4and in t4e middle east and, t4rou94 music, and inspirin9 t4at person enou94 to take t4e 4and of t4e person next to 4im. if t4e c4ain continues until t4e circle is set, maybe music will someday 4ave t4e power to c4an9e t4e world.
t4ank you
| QUOTE (flowerfairy @ Jan 21, 09:02 AM) | ||
that is a pretty bold statement. i think that music can be powerful to some extent, but i personally don't think that music by mozart or bach or beethoven or any music that i've ever heard for that matter has the power to inspire a whole cultural revolution in the middle east, especially if that music is coming from places other than the middle east. and anyway, i am no mozart or bach or beethoven. if i thought that the music that i myself make could have the power to inspire a cultural revolution in the middle east i would F**KING die trying... but i have never heard music that strong, and i certainly can't play it. but, as far as distributing music to young arabs for free with portable players, i think that that is a very excellent idea, and as soon as i have a strong enough basis to do something like that i think that i am going to try it. and through the idea of spreading music to other countries, you've just given me the idea that maybe something i can do with my life is travel to places like the middle east and africa and give people music lessons. i used to teach violin at a school for underprivilaged children, children who were drug addicts or homeless or disabled or victims of abuse and other horrible conditions, and the way that they clung onto the music i taught them as if it were a tangible net of beauty and comfort, if i could give that to people living under the same conditions in other countries i don't think that it could inspire a cultural revolution but it could at least give them a channel to express the beauty and ugliness inside of themselves through music. do you think that would be effective at all? |
Dear Flowerfairy,
I am sorry for writing with delay. I think that the portable player (which will be extremely difficult to spoil, with long run autonomous batteries) with already installed collection-set of specially selected Classical music, being FREE spread among Arabian youngsters, statistically, will Fundamentally brake the chains of clerical clenches set upon their souls and brains. They culturally will strive to the Western civilization, besides that will have very interesting other side effect
. As a country where an initial experiment can be conducted, e.g. Yemen (country of wrong shaped knifes) can be selected. Just create a Center of Musical Enlightenment in US, find a sponsor, good specialists who will make the player, make 1000 units, select a small city in Yemen, find there an Arab who will make local distribution in form of presents to 'gifted' children (in a way you will have no need to visit the country), fund opening of First Music Internet Club in that city and on distance monitor the links they will click there. I think we will have very interesting changes in that city. I can advise what to select. I will be highly curious to see the outcome of the Idea implementation. 
Bests,
Enki
Music is one portal to the "Dream Time" the timeless becoming moment were the tyranny of the self can be escaped temporarily.
When more than one person plays together a sort of social state collapse can occur in which the music plays us and we are subsumed in something greater than ourselves. This is a wonderfully exhilarating, profound, and levelling experience that builds respect and social cooperation amongst the participants.
I’m afraid it's a bit taboo in western art music, but in the Trad and improvised music circles I frequent it's basically why we play.
Listeners know when this happens and can be subsumed along with players by surrendering to the music.
John S
When more than one person plays together a sort of social state collapse can occur in which the music plays us and we are subsumed in something greater than ourselves. This is a wonderfully exhilarating, profound, and levelling experience that builds respect and social cooperation amongst the participants.
I’m afraid it's a bit taboo in western art music, but in the Trad and improvised music circles I frequent it's basically why we play.
Listeners know when this happens and can be subsumed along with players by surrendering to the music.
John S
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