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| Rick |
 Jan 05, 2005, 01:20 PM
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Lots of little irrationalisms can creep into personalities. That's part of the misuse of common sense. Praise be to common sense, but a rational man will test his preconceptions from time to time. Glad to hear that you have a balanced view. |
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| Hey Hey |
Jan 05, 2005, 03:05 PM
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Common sense is a little like reflex action; it can stifle imagination that has more evolutionary (Darwinistic) advantage. Otherwise humans would not have gotten to where they are? Eh? Sexism comes natural to sexes. Or is is better to become less like animals, less like present-time humans? What is the alternative? Have changes in the human psyche over the millennia really occurred? Why then are there still aggression, violence, murders, rapes, child abuse, suicide etc etc etc? |
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| Rick |
Jan 05, 2005, 03:16 PM
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Sexism might come naturally, just as racism does, but that doesn't mean it's not something to be overcome by reason.
Sexism is defined as the irrational belief that one sex is superior to the other and therefore deserves special rights or privileges. As such, sexisim, when acted on, is an injustice, and therefore to be avoided by all just men and women. |
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Jan 05, 2005, 04:36 PM
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I would include men and just women also!
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| Hey Hey |
Jan 06, 2005, 08:40 AM
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My point is, can it be overcome? Was murder overcome?
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| Rick |
Jan 06, 2005, 10:01 AM
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I overcome murder every day. Do I blame those who cannot? Yes.
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| Trip like I do |
Jan 06, 2005, 12:00 PM
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History in on the side of those that win.
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| Trip like I do |
Jan 06, 2005, 12:03 PM
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...Behaviour is a passive and forced movement mechanically and solely determined by the structural pattern of the organism and the nature of environmental forces....
Zing Yang Kuo, 1929. |
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| Trip like I do |
Jan 06, 2005, 12:15 PM
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If we turned society into a big Skinner's box and controlled behaviour deliberately rather than haphazardly, we could eliminate agression, violence, murders, rapes, child abuse, suicide as well as overpopulation, crowding, pollution, and inequality, etc., etc., and thereby attain utopia. The noble savage to the cog in the machine. |
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| Rick |
Jan 06, 2005, 12:19 PM
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I suspect Trip has never seen the movie "THX 1138," which is about his kind of "utopia."
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| Trip like I do |
Jan 06, 2005, 12:27 PM
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The absolute conditioning of historical events by other historical events.
"Welcome to the machine," Pink Floyd. "Another brick in the wall," Pink Floyd. "Instincts do not create customs; customs create instincts, for the putative instincts of human beings are always learned and never native," Ellsworth Farris (1927). "Cultural phenomena...are in no respect hereditary but are characteristically and without exception acquired," George Murdock (1932). "Man has no nature; what he has is history," Jose Ortega y Gasset (1935). "....Man is man because he has no instincts, because everything he is and has become he has learned, acquired, from his culture, from the man-made part of the environment, from other human beings," Ashley Montagu (1973). "Much of what is commonly called 'human nature' is merely culture thrown against a screen of nerves, glands, sense organs, muscles, etc.," Lesli White (1949). "Instead of regarding the individual as a First cause, as a prime mover, as the initiator and determinant of the culture process, we now see him as a component part, and a tiny and relatively insignificant part of that at that, of a vast, socio-cultural system that embraces innumerable individuals at any one time and extends into the remote past as well...," Leslie White. "Man is the animal most desperately dependent upon such extragenetic, outside-the-skin control mechanisms, such as cultural programs, for ordering his behaviour," Clifford Geertz (1973). |
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| Trip like I do |
Jan 06, 2005, 12:27 PM
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You suspect correct. Your point being. |
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Jan 06, 2005, 12:54 PM
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The movie is about one man's struggle to rebel against the Orwellian nightmare of a totally controlled society. Advocation of utopian control is a trap, Trip. Don't fall into it.
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| Unknown |
Jan 06, 2005, 07:02 PM
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Would never happen, Rick!
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| Trip like I do |
Jan 07, 2005, 08:48 AM
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The mind cannot be a blank slate, because blank slates don't do anything.
The inscriptions will sit there forever unless something notices patterns in them, combines them with patterns learned at other times, uses the combinations to scribble new thoughts onto the slate, and reads the results to guide behaviour toward goals. Something in the mind must be innate, if it is only the mechanisms that do the learning. Something has to see a world of objects rather than a kaleidoscope of shimmering pixels. Something has to infer the content of a sentence rather than parrot back the exact wording. |
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Jan 07, 2005, 08:50 AM
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In 1628 William Harvey showed that the human body is a machine that runs by hydraulics and other mechanical principles.
Cells evolved from simpler replicating molecules, a nonliving part part of the physical world, and may be understood as collections of molecular machinery - fantastically complicated machinery, but machinery nonetheless. |
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Jan 07, 2005, 08:52 AM
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Conceptual trap! |
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Jan 07, 2005, 08:54 AM
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Let's fill in the blank slate, declass the noble savage, and exorcise the ghost in the machine.
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Jan 07, 2005, 09:01 AM
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The mind of man, by the owner of choice and cultural communication, is on the verge of escape from the blind control of that deterministic world with which the Darwinists had unconsciously shackled man. The inborn characteristics laid upon him by the biological extremists have crumbled away. Alfred Russel Wallace saw and saw correctly, that with the rise of man the evolution of parts was to a marked degree outmoded, that mind was now the arbiter of human destiny.
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| Trip like I do |
Jan 07, 2005, 09:15 AM
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It is genetic engineering and related techniques that are moving us to an era in which evolution will be dominated not by the genes but by the human brain. This revolutionary change is part of an even larger revolution in which human beings in the 20th and 21st century have uncovered the secrets of matter, life, and thought. The brain not only is able to control life, it has also acquired the ability to manipulate matter.
The quantum code, the genetic code, and the synaptic code. |
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| Enki |
Jan 07, 2005, 10:53 AM
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Evolution of human beings passes on level of the brain.
It is just a statement. |
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| Trip like I do |
Jan 08, 2005, 10:07 AM
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QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Jun 04, 09:53 PM) It is amazing what a few committed people with a common understanding and goal can achieve. Unknown Posted: Jun 05, 01:11 AM Quote It's amazing too to envision what can yet be achieved. Those few great ones from the past are good models to emulate, and good teachers, for us in the present, but it would do those great ones great dishonor if we did not exceed all that they did in the past. The great ones willed for much more than they realized. Their wills do not disappear, but merely get transferred, as it were, to other individuals to realize what others could not. To consider all of the willing that was done by the great ones.... To consider all of their great wills and what they strove towards.... this is very empowering, particularly if they can be channelled into your own will, serving to augment it. There is so much will from ages past striving to be realized... what are all these great wills but the many faces and manisfestations of the will of God? From "Which sigularity would that be?" Great thread! |
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Jan 21, 2005, 01:11 PM
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