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A Holotropic Mind Within A Holographic Universe


The Holographic Universe, Michael Talbot-

HarperCollins, 1991 (338 pp)

The Holotropic Mind, Stanislov Grof-

HarperCollins, 1992 (240 pp)


From http://www.elfis.net/elfol3/holorevs.html


Reviewed by Bryan Geer

Our understanding of the universe is only as fine as the ìmodelsî we build to explain it to us. Plato likened the universe to a giant bowl, in which the one true god-like a master chef-mixed together the ingrediants of creation. Later, after Newton and up through the Industrial Revolution, the universe was likened to a giant clockwork mechanism, and god was reduced to the role of the Prime Clockmaker, content now to do nothing but watch creation wind down.

In the early twentieth century, new wrinkles were added to the fabric of the universe: quantum mechanics, the Uncertainty Principle, and Relativity, to name a few. The old mechanistic, deterministic view of the universe was shattered forever-but what new model do we have not to replace it with?

In the mid-1960ís, a powerful new technology was developed: HOLOGRAPHY, in which the interferance patterns of twin laser beams create realistic three-dimensional images. Interestingly enough, any fragment of the holographic film can be used to create the entire original 3-D image.

When University of London physicist David Bohm, a protege of Einsteinís and one of the worldís most respected quantum physicists, encountered holography for the first time, he was electrified (figuratively): here at last was a new process on which to model our understanding of the universe-THE UNIVERSE IS LIKE A HOLOGRAM.

This fascinating theory is the subject of Michael Talbotís absorbing book, The Holographic Universe. Talbot explains the origin of the holographic model in the work of Bohm-dissatisfied with the standard theoriesí inability to explain all of the phenomena encountered in quantum physics-and the work of Karl Pribram, a neurophysiologist at Stanford University, who was likewise dissatisfied with the inability of standard theories of the brain to explain various neurophysiological puzzles... like for instance the appaarent NON-LOCAL existance of memory within the brain.

Prior to the work of Pribram, it was generally assumed that specific memories had specific locations somewhere within the brain tissues-called ìengrams.î For example, a rat trained to run a maze would have an ìengramî of the maze in its brain; find that engram and cut it out, and the rat should become lost. But a series of experiments conducted by Pribramís mentor, Karl Lashley, at the Yerkes Laboratory of Primate Biology, demonstrated that this was not so: the rat brains could be sliced, diced, shuffled, and fricassed-yet the rats still could navigate the maze.

To Pribram, the only explanation was that the memories were NOT located at specific sites within the brain, but were somehow spread out or distributed throughout the brain. The problem was that he knew of no process or mechanism that could account for such a state of affairs-until he encountered holography.

Just as one fragment of a hologram can create the entire holographic image (with admittedly less detail and lower resolution), so too can one fragment of the brain remember the contents of the brain as a whole (ditto on the lower resolution). Ergo: THE BRAIN IS LIKE A HOLOGRAM.

And that is the thesis of Stanislov Grofís book The Holotropic Mind. Grof, a former Freudian dissatisfied with traditional psychoanalysisí inability to explain many psychological problems, is widely known as the father of transpersonal psychology-the idea that a personís psyche is not necessarily limited to his own brain. Under the right conditions (psychoactive drugs or Holotropic Breathwork TM, e.g.), a person can experience ìtranspersonalî states of consciousness, and think the thoughts of other people, past lives, plants and animals, the planet itself, or even the entire cosmos.

The holographic model came into existance when Pribram-already convinced of the holographic nature of the brain-encountered the work of Bohm, and discovered that the entire universe was like a hologram.

To the naked eye, an un-illuminated piece of holographic film appears to have no order or meaning. Its order is implied within the apparently random interference patterns; illuminated by the proper light, the implicate order becomes explicate and the image appears. Our three-dimensional universe, likewise, is the explicate construction of a vaster and more mysterious dimensionless realm, illuminated by the light of consciousness.

[See also the Bose-Einstein Condensate model of consciousness within The Quantum Society]

Bohm and Pribram realized that the holographic model explained a number of mysteries both mundane and profound: how people with hearing in only one ear can determine the direction from which a sound originates, our ability to recognize the face of someone we have not seen in many years even if they have changed greatly, and the apparent inability of any theory, no matter how comprehensive, to account for all the phenomena encountered in nature.

Michael Talbot takes these ideas one step further, and demonstrates how the holographic model can explain telepathy, precognition, mystical feelings of oneness with the universe (a specialty of Grofís as well) and even psychokinesis. Naturally, these ideas have no place in the old Newtonian model of the universe; but if the psi phenomena is real, how else can we explain it?

The holographic model is highly controversial, and is by no means accepted by a majority of scientists. However, many important and impressive thinkers DO support it and believe it to be the most accurate picture of reality to date.

Begin by reading The Holotropic Mind. After Grof has convinced you of the reality of the brain-as-hologram idea you will be ready to delve into the universe-as-hologram theory as explained by Talbot-these two volumes are quite complementary. Once you grasp the essential whole-in-part of the holographic model, you will be ready, in the words of the poet William Blake:

To see the World in a Grain of Sand

And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,

Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand

And Eternity in an Hour.


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post Sep 12, 2004, 11:45 PM
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QUOTE (Meta @ Sep 01, 11:56 AM)
Prior to the work of Pribram, it was generally assumed that specific memories had specific locations somewhere within the brain tissues-called ìengrams.î For example, a rat trained to run a maze would have an ìengramî of the maze in its brain; find that engram and cut it out, and the rat should become lost. But a series of experiments conducted by Pribramís mentor, Karl Lashley, at the Yerkes Laboratory of Primate Biology, demonstrated that this was not so: the rat brains could be sliced, diced, shuffled, and fricassed-yet the rats still could navigate the maze.


Cutting out particular brain areas will _definitely_ cause a rat to become 'lost' in a maze.

They are either unable to remember how to solve a maze they solved before surgery, or unable to learn how to solve a new maze, depending on the brain region lesioned. In recent decades, thousands of articles have been published in reputable peer reviewed journals demonstrating this. A quick search of a scientific database will reveal this.
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post Sep 12, 2004, 11:57 PM
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On the other hand there are fine examples of cases where people remember things without those parts of the brain - sometimes having to use other parts of the brain and in one well known case a man was found to have almost no brain at all and was doing well in an English University.
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post Sep 13, 2004, 12:05 AM
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It is not declared that rats would necessarily still remember in the original research by these noted and well accepted scholars including Bohm of the Royal Society - as I see it. Thus we have another unknown assailant of good work doing the usual contrarian debunking game.

To Pribram, the only explanation was that the memories were NOT located at specific sites within the brain, but were somehow spread out or distributed throughout the brain. The problem was that he knew of no process or mechanism that could account for such a state of affairs-until he encountered holography.

Just as one fragment of a hologram can create the entire holographic image (with admittedly less detail and lower resolution), so too can one fragment of the brain remember the contents of the brain as a whole (ditto on the lower resolution). Ergo: THE BRAIN IS LIKE A HOLOGRAM.

And that is the thesis of Stanislov Grofís book The Holotropic Mind. Grof, a former Freudian dissatisfied with traditional psychoanalysisí inability to explain many psychological problems, is widely known as the father of transpersonal psychology-the idea that a personís psyche is not necessarily limited to his own brain. Under the right conditions (psychoactive drugs or Holotropic Breathwork TM, e.g.), a person can experience ìtranspersonalî states of consciousness, and think the thoughts of other people, past lives, plants and animals, the planet itself, or even the entire cosmos.

The holographic model came into existance when Pribram-already convinced of the holographic nature of the brain-encountered the work of Bohm, and discovered that the entire universe was like a hologram.

To the naked eye, an un-illuminated piece of holographic film appears to have no order or meaning. Its order is implied within the apparently random interference patterns; illuminated by the proper light, the implicate order becomes explicate and the image appears. Our three-dimensional universe, likewise, is the explicate construction of a vaster and more mysterious dimensionless realm, illuminated by the light of consciousness.

[See also the Bose-Einstein Condensate model of consciousness within The Quantum Society]

Bohm and Pribram realized that the holographic model explained a number of mysteries both mundane and profound: how people with hearing in only one ear can determine the direction from which a sound originates, our ability to recognize the face of someone we have not seen in many years even if they have changed greatly, and the apparent inability of any theory, no matter how comprehensive, to account for all the phenomena encountered in nature.
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QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Sep 13, 12:05 AM)
so too can one fragment of the brain remember the contents of the brain as a whole (ditto on the lower resolution).

No it can't.

If it could, we wouldn't have to worry about strokes, head injuries, etc because information in the tiny area destroyed is everywhere else.

The situation is not like that. Strokes are devasting because they destroy the one little part of the brain that remembers how to walk, or how to speak, or a friends face etc.
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QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Sep 13, 12:05 AM)
Under the right conditions (psychoactive drugs or Holotropic Breathwork TM, e.g.), a person can experience ìtranspersonalî states of consciousness, and think the thoughts of other people, past lives, plants and animals, the planet itself, or even the entire cosmos.

This paragraph about sums up the level this book is at. If you are into this sort of thing you might enjoy it.
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post Sep 16, 2004, 05:29 AM
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You say it can't and I know it does - but then I knew the developer of a program that worked with people who had parts of their brains removed in accidents - and stroke victims. Also I know of many other things - including a University scholar/student who was found to have almost no physical brain.
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RTB, do you know of any online information about this 'no-brain' college guy?
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Holograms are not real objects. Rather they are the perceived representations of a physical configuration that does not necessarily have repetitive images. They are almost optical illusions (?)
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post Sep 16, 2004, 11:49 AM
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Yes. I posted it last month - maybe even here. It was in The Guardian if I remember. If I can find it easily I will post it again.
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I did not easily find it - but here is a more volumous and historical account - Pravda has links to such things and research on artificial brains - and we should all know that Stanford (SRI) dumped the contents of a human brain onto a computer chip in 1999.

http://wintersteel.homestead.com/Life_Without_Brain.html
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A link to a rambling block of text on a 'paranormal' website is not good evidence.

Something published in a peer reviewed scientific journal that is open to scrutiny and retesting is.

I want to see detailed case reports and histology, or detailed fMRI scans.
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Ok, I see this holographic theory has already been refuted in another forum topic:

http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1891
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post Sep 17, 2004, 08:54 PM
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No - It was refuted as originally conceived and has developed further as Shawn noted.
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Holographic principles are not synonymous with interconnectedness. The brain is an interconnected network of neurons whose coordinated activities give rise or are identical to consciousness, but that does not suggest it employs holographic principles. From QM, we know of quantum entanglement and learn that Psi functions are continuous functions; hence the non-locality. This is not synonymous with holography. Whatever plausible physics paradigm to choose to apply to nature, it comes down to interactions between things, either between fields, particles, or both, and these interactions point towards an interconnectedness of things; However, this does not imply holographic principles are at work at some grand scale in the universe, nor that the universe is a hologram. Instead of citing the highly questionable "authority" of Grof and Pribram, we should all strive to provide a basis for rational discourse and an elucidation of principles, since it is well known that ignorance likes to hide behind false masks of authority. There is no basis for applying holographic principles to brain function, much less to the universe as a whole. I have not seen one compelling reason for doing so. The arguments raised in the post starting this thread have been refuted. If anyone has any new arguments, we're listening.
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If you go to the fundamental basis of matter you find one-dimensional harmonic forces. Just as is demonstrated with super small atomic particles like muons we have a communication link of some sort. To say that Holographic principles of the early era science of the 20th Century are mirrored in the brain is absolutely foolish but the operating LAW that does apply is far more ancient - it is As Above, So Below.

Communication and consciousness are still largely undefined as to origin and composition. Those who seek black and white answers will delude themselves that they KNOW what is REAAL. Those that look in awe upon the 'waves of the marvellous' (Hugo on Shakespeare) will grow to see the Cosmogony of the Spheres.
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QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Sep 17, 09:37 PM)
If you go to the fundamental basis of matter you find one-dimensional harmonic forces. Just as is demonstrated with super small atomic particles like muons we have a communication link of some sort. To say that Holographic principles of the early era science of the 20th Century are mirrored in the brain is absolutely foolish but the operating LAW that does apply is far more ancient - it is As Above, So Below.

Communication and consciousness are still largely undefined as to origin and composition. Those who seek black and white answers will delude themselves that they KNOW what is REAAL. Those that look in awe upon the 'waves of the marvellous' (Hugo on Shakespeare) will grow to see the Cosmogony of the Spheres.

More fundamental than the fundamental basis of matter is the vacuum; vacuum energies, according to QFT, invariably diverge to infinity. But no-one knows what that means.

Whether we seek black or white answers or not is meaningless within the broader context of things. It is clear that we operate consciously with many unseen assumptions about the world. It would appear that Nature has endowed the human brain with many mechanisms for interpreting the world in a great number of ways; all of these interpretations belie hidden assumptions. When you discover these implicit assumptions and recognize that their validity is in fact tenuous, then you are more open to perceiving things without all the preprogrammed baggage that evolution added to our brains these past millenia, not to mention the detrimental effects of culture and the masses when the imposition of additional implicit assumptions onto the framework of our perceiving is involved. I'm not saying culture or the dull conforming masses are necessarily bad. As with all things they are beyond good and evil, and each plays a respective role in the grander scheme of things.

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Yes, I should have said that matter and energy (such as is in the vacuum and has been known for ten thousand years and more) are comprised of harmonic forces such as The Lost Chord practitioners used.

And I agree with most of what you said as far as it goes - to say there are definite answers or absolutely understood concepts is the game of fools as a sage once said and which I use as a signature line on many sites.

'A fool thinks he is a wise man, a wise man knows he is a fool.'
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QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Sep 17, 10:03 PM)

'A fool thinks he is a wise man, a wise man knows he is a fool.'

that wasn't what I was saying, but I know what you mean.
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QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Sep 17, 10:03 PM)
Yes, I should have said that matter and energy (such as is in the vacuum and has been known for ten thousand years and more) are comprised of harmonic forces such as The Lost Chord practitioners used.

Yes you should have said that, and also that it has been known for at least a quazillion years or more that mass/energy is the dipole conundrum octet SUPER-DUPER FORCE such as The Whimsy Chord practitioners used. Know what I mean, RTB?
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post Sep 17, 2004, 10:31 PM
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Too much dialogue from one with no guts or desire to identify themself.
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QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Sep 17, 10:31 PM)
Too much dialogue from one with no guts or desire to identify themself.

we're all anonymous through this medium. I'm just being more existentially honest than you, RTB.
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methinks therefore I yam

ah that would be true for some but not for me - I have no reason to be anonymous or deceitful
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QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Sep 17, 10:42 PM)
methinks therefore I yam

ah that would be true for some but not for me - I have no reason to be anonymous or deceitful

get off the high horse. A thousand years hence, you and any trace of you will be as never existed. Ashes to ashes.., are you prepared?
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QUOTE (Unknown @ Sep 17, 11:02 PM)
A thousand years hence,

Aye, but there's the rub! What's "a thousand years hence" to one fully immersed in the Eternal Now?
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post Sep 17, 2004, 11:28 PM
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FYI, I'm not posting anonymously. My name is really Unknown! Nice to meet you.
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Unknown does not read old posts or check out what a person says before acusing (atacking) the person does 'unknown'?

Yes, clearly 'I am prepared' and looking forward to that.
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