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BATTLE OF ALALIA: - A major mystery awaits, the historians to easily find if they really wanted to; again WHY NOT? The Empires of Rome, Greece and Britain are all connected with the goings on of Troy and the enigmatic Hyksos Kings who are a conglomerate of disparate cultures and peoples in the Phoenician Brotherhood who we may someday prove can trace their sea-faring expertise back to the Mungo Man/Mu and the island of Flores where sea travel existed (probably not first) 800,000 years ago. This entry will be a long one which will focus on the Carthaginian/Etruscan alliance against Phocaea/Miletus and the Bruttii who became the Stuarts and kings of the British Isles. They are related to Aeneas and so was Julius Caesar. Thus one could say we have had pretty continuous control of most of the world (except for a brief Spanish/Portuguese resurgence in Catholic dominated America) ever since the fall of Troy. Yet this fall seems to have lead to the Trojans winning and expanding?
Livy was a Roman historian who came from the city of Venice and thus probably had Hallstatt Keltic or Bruttii Keltic/Kymry heritage. He was of independent means and did not become a Roman senator so some scholars give greater credence to his authorship. However, much of his work is based on the earlier writings of Quintus Fabius Pictor who was a Praetor from 218- 201 BC. They are all telling the story of Trojan roots for the origin of what became a monstrous Empire of slaving and debauched behavior once the original 'Senatus Populusque Romani' or semi-democratic ideals were replaced first by Caesars and then Emperors. Is this empire still a major influence today? Virgil's 'Aeneid' tells us how Aeneas left Troy and began the foundation of Italy at Alba Longa but there were Umbrians and Cisalpine Gauls and some 'giants' on Sardinia long before their arrival. They seem to be joining with other 'brothers' and having an easy time of this move so we must think of a larger organization of Keltic/Phoenicians who continued to rule the Mediterranean Sea until Rome unified these disparate and factionalized interests at the time of Scipio or Julius Caesar many centuries later. If we are to accept the date of 1170 BC for the fall of Troy which lead Aeneas to come to Etruria and Brutus to go to Epirus then there are probably other earlier battles surrounding Troy and sister cities like Smyrna (and its Scythia/Amazon originators), Miletus (and its Crete to Egypt connection), Phocaea (and its Tartessus Iberia partners) etc. In fact when Troy was called AA-Mu (Troy III) around 1800 BC it may have been the dominant administrative center in the Hyksos conflict to retain their Phoenician inroads in Egypt where Memphis was one of the first colonies over 30,000 years before. The original colonies in the Ossianic tales referring back to a worldwide colonizing culture of Brotherhood are becoming more transparent with the archaeological finds we've already reported and perhaps soon we'll have more from the Black Sea, for your consideration. This particular emphasis will cover 1200 BC and the fall of Miletus and Jericho (archaeologic carbon dated proof) to Caesar's first battles with his Aeneid cousins in what we now call Britain. The primary turning point is the Battle of Alalia. But behind that focus we must point out that NW Europe before the Ice Age had engineering and culture the equal of Mesopotamia and the Mayan/Peruvian colonies of Mu are now well enough documented to throw off the yoke of the Bible Narrative and Ur-stories. They are the Old European Kelts of the Danube to China and the Baltic are Kelts or 'proto-Celts' as the historians seem intent to call them. They are connected to Iberia in Spain (Tartessus) and Eire that Agricola called Ibherniu and the eventual Miletus homeland for the Stuart/ Bruce/Bruges people who arrived around 1500BC. and kept coming to Ireland and Scotland for many years after. The Beaker people arrived in 2500 to 2200BC and they may have been the Danube/Amazons who first tired of the patristic Uighur attitudes. The founding of Etruria (Etruscans and Tuscany today) makes a lot more sense when we consider advanced cells of people like the Sybarites who traded with them and who were eliminated around the same time Alalia occurred. This period was a major War over a large area and probably had battles in places such as the Adena area of Ohio and the Mississippi in the Americas. It doesn't reach the level of proof for scholars like Donald Strong Who thinks it hard to refute as he considers the fact of the Etruscan culture and art could not have developed locally and knows of the story told by Herodotus and others about Lydia. We might ask if he has looked further in what Lydia was, and why Croessus or Midas were SO rich? Lydia surrounds the cities of Miletus and Smyrna, and Phocaea. King Sargon I in 2250 BC. reunited all of what was once Sumer as did his progeny or descendant Hammurabi around the beginning of the Hyksos period. It is time to end the name calling like Hyksos which means ‘foreigner’ and Berber which derives from 'barbaroi'. Maybe it is time to call Semites Phoenicians as some are getting close to doing and others are already doing. Sargon was a Semite and a Phoenician as we see it. Byblos on the Persian Gulf was the site the Phoenicians used to try to uplift the Sumerians and from whence they sold ships to the Egyptians in 2900 BC. if not before (The World Book Encyclopedia states this in their shipbuilding entry). This is not Byblus of later Phoenicians that brought the Bible which is named after it but it is obvious Sargon was between these two emporiae or trading posts and associated with their purposes. We saw the issue of the Phoenicians of Tyre and that Royal family which produced the Biblical Jezebel resulting in the last great woman to found an Empire in Carthage. That was Dido and 814 BC is the date it happened as the authors of 'Carthage' conclude and we agree, despite those historians trying to expunge her import from the annals of our true past. At the same time that Carthage was founded the Etruscans suddenly arrive with a language no one records having been able to speak. This makes us think they were high priests and royalty and we wonder if the House of Mallia (MLL) had both a Miletus and higher involvement with the wealthy Lydians and Sybarites. It is said to be the case but Herodotus was not privy to the details or the language either (refer to our alphabet comparison illustration). Sidon is near Lydia and Tyre was just a day’s boat trip south and they were still working together so it behooves us to imagine Carthage and the Etruscans were allies from the very beginning. At the Battle of Alalia against the Phocaeans they are known to have fought a sea battle with the Phocaeans who won but little more is said to be known and there are different names and dates we must examine as well as wonder what happened after the battle that lead to the formation of Rome. We covered Pythagoras (Croton in 'Science') and the demise of Sybaris at this time. Sybaris (Grant assures us) was a key ally of Etruria and able to mount a significant mercenary army and navy. The amounts of money seem quite like Midas or Croessus and their religious convictions are highly Phoenician as one would expect of a Carthaginian ally. We may never know if the gender issues of the Hittite vs. Semite or Amazon vs. Uighur and Ariadne vs. Mycenaean are part of the conflict. The Carthaginians weren't misogynistic or macho in the Semite vein of Hammurabi (whose code documents women are the property of the father until sold to the husband in the true Abrahamic tradition) and the Milesian/Phocaeans who ended up in Ireland/ Scotland and associated with the Brettanoi of the Bruttii weren't either. Therefore it seems the money issues must be paramount. But first let's look into the Romulus and Remus fiction of the founding of Rome. This story might seem aggressively stupid or childish, but wolves and dogs were valid entities in the spiritual milieu of the Phoenicians as we know from Ashkelon. Animals have often been nurturing to humans. We know that caves and cenotes are special spiritual places more than homes for the 'cave men' now that all the Scale of Nature and stupidity associated with Ussher's time-line are fading into the dim dark recesses of 'Dark Ages' manipulation of knowledge. The grottos of the world are the best places to feel the energy at the root (usually literally) of nature. When they have springs and rivers to luxuriate in or rest at the edge of by an open fire or flickering candle and oil lamp they are wondrous places to hear the spiritual chants and mantras reverberate. One of these caves was the site or priestly efforts at the foot of the Palatine Hill that became the annual site of the 'Fabiani' and 'Quintiales' purification and rebirth rituals. The Phoenician oracles had prophesized the founding of a great culture and empire by two brothers who would be raised by a wolf (The buying of prophecies for new corporate colonial ventures can be likened to sales brochures of the present day.). In 296 B.C. two Roman magistrates curried a lot of favour by erecting a statue at the Lupercal in honour of Romulus and Remus, the founders of Rome. (28) The Latin word ‘lups’ may also be a factor in the true roots of this fable. 'Lupus' is Latin for 'wolf' and 'Lupa' is their word for 'whore'. The farmer who worked the area probably had a wife who cared for these two brothers from an aristocratic family whose mother was upset at the illegitimate liaison which brought them forth or whose father was afraid to confront her with. This derivation is more likely than the wolf story, but it would not be so unique or apparently opportune in the wishes of the gods of nature who might send a tough ferocious guide for an empire. Animistic or natural religions we call pagan were the rule and these people are commented upon by Livy in this little notation: "The Etruscans are a nation more than any other dedicated to religion, the more so as they excelled {Thus were adept high priests?} in practising it." Polybius was a great Roman historian after his capture and adoption into the great household of Scipio Africanus. He was a seafarer who may have visited the Americas after discovering things about it in Carthage. If he didn't go there himself he would certainly have encouraged the Romans to make the voyage if they were not accustomed to doing so. This may be why the Roman head we showed is a 99% archaeological certainty was found in Mexico. Mr. Grant brings us a great deal of information to try to digest and integrate from his excellent scholarship that includes an ability to see through the propaganda and incorporate archaeological and artistic developments. Richard Rudgely of Oxford is our best source for the artistic and an excellent judge of merit in linguistics and other fields, we highly recommend his book 'Lost Civilizations of the Stone Age'. The racial and political ties take a back seat to merit and courage in the Phoenician scheme of things. Freedom is associated with discipline and knowledge - the Masons today say 'We take good men and make them better.' There clearly was an egalitarian root to the Phoenicians that became less as time and social conditions of their colonies changed. The increased slaving and war promoted by Greeks and other macho empires made the piracy efforts of the Phoenicians mount after the Trojan War. In addition we can see their colonies flourished by attracting those who did not find the new Empires to their liking and needed to protect themselves and their families from the slaving and whoremongering rapists of Rome and Greece (The Greeks were their allies until Syracuse, though.). Here are some words from Mr. Grant in 'The Rise of the Greeks': “… this Milesian territory, limited by its mountainous boundary, and restricted and endangered by the appearance of the Cimmerians and the rise of the Lydian state {Changes in control there}, became a source of internal social strife, because its concentration in the hands of only a few landowners angered those members of the rising mercantile class who did not possess land of their own. The outcome of this problem was an outstanding phenomena in the history of Miletus, namely the dominant part the city played in the foundation of Greek colonies in distant lands. The region upon which its adventurous seamen and businessmen concentrated, with contribution from other states (since additional settlers and investments must have been needed), were those adjoining the Propontis (Sea of Marmara) and Black Sea, in order to acquire the unlimited supplies of grain that lay beyond, in southern Russia, as well as to catch the tunny-fish moving down into the Mediterranean every year. For these enterprises the two north-east passages, the Hellespont' (Dardanelles) and the Thracian Bosphorus, had to be traversed. From a nautical point of view, these were perilous operations. But Milesian sailors soon found out {Always knew from the time they had been there after these straits to the Black Sea had been created in 5500 BC.?} that helpful south-westerly breezes, and favourable eddies among the currents, could be picked up along the shores, and that even in summer, when northerly winds instead prevailed, a ship could pass through on the night breeze that blew up the straits; and then when the time came to return, the northerly winds brought it safely home again. In these areas, the Hellespont, Propontis and Black Sea, the Milesians founded a number of colonies, estimated at a total variously reckoned at thirty and a hundred, and perhaps not too far from the latter total, once foundations by satellites of Miletus are included in the list {Herodotus is his source}. For a considerable period, that is to say, the Black Sea and its approaches became virtually a preserve of the Milesians. At Black Sea centres such as Olbia, for example, it was probably a series of goldsmiths sent from Miletus who provided the Scythians with their lavish gold-work." (29) There are many things in this quote that support what we've said about the Phoenicians including those who say Ophir was an Irish king whose gold plating and metal working expertise came from Peru, due to its prevalence there. The seamanship alone is a good clue to the 'Sea Peoples' and the fact that their earlier brothers of the Black Sea and the Scythian horsemen were still on good terms with them is noteworthy. We know the Milesians had a government that met on board ships and went by the name Aeinautai ('Perpetual Sailors') according to Plutarch as well. The need for expansion due to many people wanting to live in their freedom oriented and anti-slaving (relatively) organizational structure of society is a clear sign of the past 'Brotherhood' ideals that lingered on in the culture. The Hurrians and Hittites were still letting women play an important role in society before this and we wonder how many of these former colonies were re-locating to Ionia before the Trojan War. It seems hard to imagine the Greeks were their real allies at that time but then we must remember there are many kinds of Greeks and as the saying goes 'we must beware when they bring gifts'. No doubt there were changes in alliances and opportunities taken advantage of throughout the period from Hyksos and through the 400 year 'Dark Age' that followed the Trojan War. Grant's description of their business ethics and goals is worthy of quoting and we must remember the trading community in Egypt (Naucratis covered in 'Science') as well. It definitely had a number of Greek city-states with some independent points of view like the Spartans and Lesbians. "They sought to extract for themselves {He's talking about the aristocrats, like Solon and Sargon’s progeny.} the maximum profit from the city's overseas ventures. Nevertheless, in the process, they also managed to gain a reputation for 30 the steady, austere honesty of their commercial transactions..." (30) Around the 7th century BC they were working with Necho II of Egypt which is interesting because he employed Carthaginians to circumnavigate Libya (another word for Africa at the time). We believe the two year voyage allowed them to go to South America and the emporiae at the mouth of the Amazon and that whenever we see 'circumnavigate Libya' that is a likely prospect. The alliances made by Hyksos kings through marriage in Egypt also speak to the colony that once was Memphis and the lack of description about Hyksos (foreigners) seems a revisionist history designed to augment the importance of colonies that later Hellenized and plagiarized much Phoenician science and literature. This is not a great leap of judgement even if the prevailing paradigm maintains a lot of the old 'his'-story. Thus we see Necho II may have been a 'bee' like the House of Mallia (at Milatus on Crete) and the Phocaeans whose coinage had it on their electrum plated currency. At this time the Milesians had a dictator named Thrasybulus who may have made alliances with their Lydian neighbors who they were having difficulties with as well. War is a good reason to 'get out of Dodge' as the saying goes. We humbly suggest that is what led to continuing exits to places like Etruria, Ireland and even New Zealand which we will deal with at some point. Before you can be expected to accept such a new history we should give a little more background from Mr. Grant: "This 'jewel of Ionia', as Herodotus called the place (31) was situated in ancient times at the mouth of the fertile valley of the River Maender, but is now five miles from the sea. According to legend, the place was founded by the Trojan War hero Sarpedon from Milatus (Mallia) in Crete {or from Lycia, on the south coast of Asia Minor which is part of Biblical Phoenicia}. This tradition receives some support from the unearthing of successive strata of Bronze Age habitation, which seems to have reached its climax during the final phases of the Mycenaean epoch, followed by the destruction of the town's walls in c. 1200 BC." (32) Ephesus had a shrine to the Anatolian mother-goddess and the Cretan Lady of Wild Things that was later incorporated into the Greek worship of Artemis. (33) This magnificent statue has many 'cosmic eggs' on it that are extremely relevant to the Berber painting of ostrich eggs that are found in the Saharan finds mentioned in 'Carthage' as well as connected to the Druid's eggs. A Cambridge scholar I saw on a TV show recently was still calling these eggs 'breasts'. It is ludicrous and almost funny if you look at a picture of the statue with over a hundred 'breasts'. What level of academic ineptitude is this? We have seen many who know the worldwide importance of the cosmic egg including Gimbutas, but then perhaps this scholar knows were his bread is buttered. Smyrna is mentioned by Grant going back long before our present focus and shows Amazons (Kelts as we have shown) were once a part of the picture, but this is probably before the fall of Ariadne on Crete and goes back to times such as Malta shows had 2800 years with no weapons. Smyrna is the site of a great Merovingian family with a name you'll quickly recognize. Onassis, who married into another Merovingian family through Jackie Kennedy. Thus we ask you to remember what the old saws do say about history repeating itself. "Smyrna was situated at the head of the gulf named after it, into which the River Hermus debouched. The original town, Old Smyrna, stood on a rocky peninsula (Haci Mutso) beside the north-eastern shore of the gulf. This settlement existed since Neolithic times, but its founders according to contradictory Greek legends, included non Greek Leleges {Phoenician pirates}, Amazons, and King Tantalus of Phrygia.†(34) 'Non-Greeks' is no surprise in neolithic times because there were no Greeks. There was probably occasional settlements and conflicts over the area we now think of as Greece but remember Homer's 'DNN' and what many Greeks know to this day as they call themselves Danaus. We have shown lots of different proof and authority to connect them through Thrace to the Danube in periods before what we call Greece or Mycenaean culture. The Phocaeans present us with acts that mirror the Phoenicians of Tyre and Sidon as well, in terms of establishing emporiae or colonial trading posts. They also show us how mobile it was necessary to be after the Goddess (egalitarian 'Brotherhood') was brought to her knees. Just as important in our eventual connection with Britain is 'the ships of Tarshis' and Tartessus on the Iberian Peninsula where Spain and Portugal claim national privileges today despite all the horror they have wrought. It is recorded in many places that Milesians came from Iberia between 1500 BC and 500 BC just as the Spanish Armada later dumped a lot of Celtiberians into the genetic mix of Scotland and Ireland in more recent times. Through all of this period from the end of the Hyksos invasions of Egypt there is growing aristocratic and macho oriented structure apparent within the Phoenicians of the Mediterranean despite the fact Egypt still allowed women to rule as we know from the numerous Cleopatras. The kings were adding more power in every century and they were putting in place control of armies as well as the priesthoods they always found willing to favour their desires. Yet the people and the merchant class were wary and we see Carthage through the eyes of Aristotle around 345 BC. He was surprised to find they still had an Assembly of the People which was actually strong and democracy was thriving there. (35) This political tug of war is still endemic in our society today. When the Gracchi failed and the Republic of Rome failed (the Bruttii who killed Caesar and other good men of the Phoenician or Pythagorean and aristocratic genre became adapted to a new structure) a very big nail was driven deep into the ethic or even semblance of equality. "They {Phocaeans} took part in the activities of Naucratis in Egypt, where Phocaea was one of the twelve Greek cities which shared the temple of Apollo {Frazer's 'Golden Bough' documented Plutarch and others knew Apollo and others were representations of Osiris and the rituals at his representational graves included burning people with 'Red Hair') known as the Hellenium, dating from the time of the Pharaoh Amasis (c.569- 525) {Right at the key point of the Battle of Alalia}. By this time, too the Phocaeans, in their own native city, had built a temple of Athena, made of fine white porous stone. They also initiated what was to be an abundant and widely circulating electrum coinage (accompanied by issues of silver that were' initially smaller), depicting the city emblem of a seal, and launching a long and varied series of miniature artistic designs. They were also famous for their dyeing industry. {We showed' 'purple' and scientists in 'science' where Mexico and Peru had an industry of making this all important spiritual or royal colour was thought the best evidence of transatlantic cultural exchanges with the Phoenicians. Could the Phocaeans have been there?} But their most extraordinary accomplishment lay in the distant west. The first of the Greeks, according to Herodotus, 'to make long voyages', it was the Phocaeans who pioneered the remotest and most perilous routes. It was they, for example, who followed up the first Samian contacts with the kingdom of Tartessus around the mouth of the River Baetis (Guadalquivir) on south-western Spain (c.640), sailing not in merchant ships but in fifty-oared warships(so that cargo-carrying was sacrificed to speed and fighting capacity). The friendly relations that they thus established with the long-lived king of Tartessus, Arganthonius, secured the Phocaean adventurers a large share of the bronze, tin and silver in which the Spanish hinterland abounded. Pliny the elder also adds a record of a certain Midacritus who is likely to have been a Phocaean. 'Midacritus', he observed, 'was the first to import 'white lead'(that is to say tin) from the 'Tin Island' (Cassiteris),' {He notes 'Midacritus' means approved of Midas which indicates a Phrygian connection. I suggest that Midas was the King of Lydia and part of the Phoenician from Pont to Tyre and Hittite connection going back to the Danube Kelts of Finias. Any Ionian states that were his neighbors could earn his approval. I emphasize EARN and suggest this is the person for whom the likes of today’s IMF organizers and the Fed backers are really like.} by which he meant, however, not the Scilly Islands but Cornwall ('the Stannaries'). Tin was immensely important to the ancient world, since it was an essential constituent of bronze. It existed in various near-eastern countries as well as in Greece itself, but not in sufficient quantities to make supplies from the west unnecessary. Pliny's words might merely mean that Midacritus sailed to Tartessus, in order to pick up a cargo of tin which the Tartessians had acquired from Cornwall. But more probably he himself {Like Joseph of Arimathaea}, by way of Tartessus adventurously fetched the tin from Britain. On the assumption that Midacritus' expedition was in the mid-sixth century or a little earlier, he and his compatriots were choosing a good time for such enterprises, since their potential rivals the Phoenicians were preoccupied with the encroachment of Persia. {Where did the Medes come from? Fred Eberg of the Univ. of Pennsylvania may have a clue in the Russian lost civilization of Turkmenistan. It is before Sumer and they say there was a language. There are dozens of large fortress like cities seen from remote sensing satellite equipment. On radio interviews I've heard he talks about re-writing history books in respect of it having a language, but before, it was the Danube Old European. Because it is unlike nearby Mesopotamian cultures in structures and script we can draw another connection to the Danube but we must wait for more details. They definitely irrigated the desert and that shouldn't surprise anyone, but it seems to surprise these 'experts'. The nearly delph-like china and other artifacts along the Silk Road doesn't move them to say for sure that China was part of the trading network, yet the Kelts were there in 3,000 BC according to National Geographic; 1000 years before they find the china materials.} The Phocaeans also created the historic city of Massalia (Marseille) on the Mediterranean coast of Gaul, at the eastern fringe of the Rhone delta (C.600).†(37) The Phocaeans had established joint colonies on the Black Sea with the Milesians at Samsun (Amisus) and the fact they could go to Spain and Britain makes it clear they could have taken the short route across the Atlantic from the west African Carthaginian outposts that lots of artifacts in South America seem to have come from (Amphorae, etc.). He doesn't address these probabilities but some of his numismatic friends have dealt with the coins found in America. He was President of the Royal Numismatic Society and a medalist in the Americas. The quotes from Mr. Grant speak to the necessary perspicacity and courage and his word usages seem open to this possibility but it would be academic suicide (or would have been when he wrote the book) for him to address these issues of such great impact. They knew the earth was a sphere and the 'Flat Earth' dogma didn't even exist until a millennium or more after the Battle of Alalia. Massalia also gave them access to the Rhone River routes to Britain, Brittany and Hallstatt Kelts. The actual time he is talking about probably saw the elite not using this valuable tin. Iron was everywhere but tin could be monopolized. The interesting point about all the wealth in these times that also might tie in with South America relates to the abundance of gold. There were times when Egypt valued silver more than gold. We are convinced there were at least two millennia before this; that corporate Phoenician enterprises were the dominant issue and trade with the Americas was a key factor. "...Very soon afterwards, Phocaea and Massalia between them planted a settlement on the north-east coast of Spain. This was Emporiae (Ampurias), of which the name, signifies trading port and market, indicates the nature and purpose of the new foundation. The route from the Aegean to Massalia and Emporiae led up beside the western shore of Italy, and in c. 565 the Phocaeans founded a colony at Alalia (Aleria) on the east coast of Corsica, close to the mines of mainland Etruria. Not long afterwards, in 546, Phocaea itself was attacked and devastated by the Persians, who destroyed its temple of Athena, whereupon large numbers of refugees, under the leadership of Creontides, set sail for the west and joined their compatriots at Alalia. That is to say Phocaea, alone among Greek states, responded to Persian menaces and invasions by a massive corporate refusal to stay at home, though an important sculptor from the city, Telephanes, did consent to remain, and worked for the Persian kings Darius I and Xerxes I. In order to provide a livelihood {Or in continuance of what they were protecting and unwilling to let the Persians have; in terms of ships and trade with the Americas. At this time there is proof the Carthaginians were forbidding their own to go to the Americas from 'Strange Things Heard' and the Aristotle School. We also know the Phoenicians were all over the Americas and there have been coins found with Darius I on them, but no corroborative evidence that would indicate a strong probability the Persians were in the Americas although they probably tried.} for the greatly increased population that these two waves of immigrants had created, the Alalians employed methods which provoked the rulers of Caere, the leading maritime city of the Etruscans, to turn against them, in association with the Carthaginians, who likewise felt that their interests in Corsica (and Sardinia) were threatened by these Greek settlers. {There are other allies and the Kelts who he is not mentioning as well as the nuraghi designed by the Phoenician Shardana who recent archaeology shows all over the Mediterranean; you'll see these all important structures shortly. I hope you will agree that they deserve mention.} The result, in c.540-535, was the historic naval 'battle of Alalia' (though it may not have been fought in Alalian waters). The Phocaeans, against a fleet twice their size, were nominally victorious, but suffered such heavy losses that most of the survivors felt they had to leave Corsica {Which had something less, but similar to the 'nuraghi'.} (even though it would now seem, the Greek evacuation of the island was not complete). The Phocaeans… moved on to Elea or Hyele (Castellamare di Brucia) {Note this di Brucia.} in south-western Italy, where their new colony soon prospered…†(38) They fought the Etruscans then moved to live next to them? Was there a Druidic international dispute settlement? Could the Milesians have gotten involved? We will see they did in a BIG way! But no where else have I seen this connection made, so I must be wrong. The city they located in is the city of the Bruces by the sea. The Bruces are very important and are the Stuarts or Stewarts of the Milesians according to HRH Duke of Albany, and his genealogy of the Stewarts; (as well as Gardner) and I am named after Robert the Bruce who you will remember from the movie 'Braveheart'. His family started a Scottish Masonic order anew after the Templars fought with them at Bannockburn in conjunction with the Sinclairs or St. Claires. In French their name is de Bruges, and they are related to the Bruttii who you will see moved to this same area near the boot of Italy before their British cousins carne to establish a return to the ideals of their republic and take the Tarquin Etruscans out of office for 'demeaning' their family name. Right up until today the Stuarts and Jacobins are an important force. They include many important people (the most cowardly being King James of the edited Bible fame). Remember Thomas Paine says the Druids are the intellectual roots of the Masonic/Rosicrucian mystery schools and that he was a member of their Council of Three (so he should know). The Druids have a saying in very ancient times: “If you want to know what the Druid knows 'ask a wild bee'.†The bees on the investiture robe of Napoleon and Childeric aren't easily understood even by great archaeologists like Jacquetta Hawkes. Why would anyone believe there is a group with a plan, given all the mayhem; and how they actually forfeit the lives of some of their own (paladin level and below); on many occasions except perhaps JFK. He stepped out of line and had to be dealt with because he had made a deal to end the Cold War and was going to disband the CIA. Jacquetta's 'Atlas of Ancient Archaeology' dates the Minoan palace excavation of Mallia c. 2000-1450 BC during the middle Minoan period. Then she says: "A variety of houses, some dating back to M.M. {Middle Minoan} times, have been excavated in the Minoan town. On its north-east edge is a large rectangular tomb which probably belonged to the royal family. In one of the small internal compartments was found the famous golden bee pendant dating from late M.M. times.†(39) She also draws a connection of the granaries which some think are cisterns, to the Egyptian model. What do you think? The Phocaeans and Milesians with the Smyrna people seem very connected from long before the Greeks arrived in Ionia or even in the Peloponnesus. Were the Lydians an overlord or a front? They were there with the Sea-Kings of Hyksos and they are a Phoenician 'brotherhood' which even the academic community that has no answer for who controlled them, knows, included Berbers and others who seem almost as unknown as the Tuatha De Danaan who were arriving back in Ireland at this time. Of course they didn't know it as Ireland until the Roman epithet machine got involved. (Ir='lost' and the Kelts of the Emerald Isles had not lost their great admiration for their heritage.) We are saying some pretty wild things but we are providing facts and that is more than those who dare not even provide clues. We know that the Basque were important in Portugal where the Tagus metal industry developed by 5,000 BC according to her data from the early 70s. It is likely they were part of a much older Altamira culture she dates back to 75,000 BC. It gets more interesting by the minute we hope and we are very intrigued by how the archaeological community was afraid of the humanistic Hawkes and what she might say (Archaeology Magazine profile from Jan.2OO1). Sardinia is near Corsica and Etruria in the region of the 6th century BC battle of Alalia if this is where it really happened as Mr. Grant says (There is evidence of a Hanno in New England with a large force of over 30,000 men on a rock inscription claiming the territory.). Why doesn't Mr. Grant mention the 'nuraghi' or the 'giganti' and the Shardana who are in Sardinia and Egypt as well as in the Mt. Carmel fortress during the Trojan War? He has no firm origins of the Etruscans either. He goes so far as to debunk the "Lydian story by Herodotus, as based on erroneous etymologies, like many other traditions about the origins of 'fringe' peoples of the Greek world.†(40) You will be able to decide if these 'nuraghi' are evidence of something more than fringe people in a moment. Remember the Phoenicians had different segments just as the New York Stock Exchange does today. Keep in mind that the Kelts are credited as controlling the Mediterranean Sea in many places including the movie 'Spartacus' in the words of the actor Kirk Douglas. These Kelts later were encouraged to work against Spartacus as shown in the movie. Recall the 6'6" tall red-headed mummies near the Great Wall, and keep an open mind to an organization behind the scenes of ALL empires during this period. It could be said the Phoenicians had control of the pirates and many do suggest that, or it could be said that the Kelts were taking revenge on those that had usurped their colonies of 'Brotherhood' (We are sure there were many changes in these dynamics.). Sardinia is vital to what went on but there isn't even a story wound, around it because these 'nuraghi' are difficult to lie about. After the battle of Alalia the Carthaginians later took control of it but answer for me, how anyone could have assailed these fortifications that were the most impressive network ever seen until the Siegfried or Maginot Lines and even then they weren't able to cover all the routes. Peter Lye, who helps me with research looked at the designs and said they looked medieval! It was more than a sea battle and it also ties in to a fight that led to the founding of Rome by those who went on to establish the British Empire and today’s Americanization of the global economy. Do not forget that Mr. Grant (even) noted the Pythagorean Brotherhood is said to have Masonic progeny and that they took out the Etruscan mercantile allies of Sybaris at this juncture with a re-routing of a whole river that only recently was uncovered by archaeology. "BARUMINI, sardinia Nuraghe and village c. 17th-6th century BC. Six thousand five hundred nuraghi (towers) are already known in Sardinia and the total may go appreciably higher. It is no easy matter to choose one to represent the rest. A short list would certainly include Palmavera (Alghero), Sant'Antine (Torralba), Losa (Abbasanta), Orrubiu (Orroli), and Sa Domu S'Orcu (Domusnovas). But Su Nuraxi (Barumini), 34 miles (55 km) north of Cagliari, has not only an interesting elaborate plan but also a history archaeologically substantiated by excavations made in the 1950's. The nucleus of the site is a single tower, originally 56 feet (17m) high, built from massive blocks of the local basalt. The external walls sloped inwards and were crowned by a projecting platform, the fallen supports of which can be seen lying on the ground. The entrance was at ground level, but the staircase to the upper storeys in the thickness of the wall began 11 feet 6 inches (3.5 m) off the floor, presumably approached by a ladder which could be drawn in by the defenders. Inside there were three superimposed corbel-vaulted chambers, the lowest 25 feet (7.6 m) high and fifteen feet (4.6 m) in diameter, the highest now represented only by its floor. A radiocarbon date was obtained for this tower, placing it surprisingly early, about 1800 BC. Some time later-the early 8th century BC is suggested-four more towers were added, with connecting walls enclosing both the original tower and a small open courtyard with a well. At least three towers were built even further out and by this time a surrounding village had begun to grow. Then more towers were built and the outer ones linked by a continuous curtain wall. In the same period the walls of the inner keep were considerably thickened. The village too expanded, though many of the visible huts belong to a reoccupation of the site after its destruction by the Carthaginians in the 6th century. It is difficult to avoid the terms of medieval castle architecture in describing the nuraghi. They offer an extraordinarily clear example of a similar, here socio-political, need calling forth a remarkably similar, here architectural response. Nuraghi are unique to Sardinia, though related monuments can be recognized in the torri of Corsica and the talayots of the Balearics, both smaller and simpler than the nuraghi. We have from the island three other associated classes of antiquity. The 'tombe di giganti' in which the inhabitants of the nuraghi buried their dead are gallery graves with great concave facades. The sacred wells {A Keltic mainstay.} are subterranean corbelled vaults of magnificent cut masonry. And through the remarkable bronze votive figurines we are given a fascinating glimpse of the men and women of prehistoric Sardinia.†(41) Let's recapsulate the integrations for a little while. In 1800 BC the Hyksos events were occurring or about to; this ONE tower with all its obvious might would have crossbows at some point (in China at 800 yards they could pierce iron armor, and we now know there were open land trade routes where the red-headed mummies were found in the Tarim valley of 1800 BC.) is there a spot on the island where a force could land? If so these 6500 towers would make moving around extremely difficult and their number suggests enfilade design to ensure no intrusion was possible. It is VERY unlikely these towers were built to protect Sardinians against each other. Did they have 'Greek Fire' or just boiling oil and the like to pour from the turrets and towers? At some point we think they did. Thus who could really take this island and whatever treasures it protected away from the defenders? The 800 BC expansions of the towers and refortifications of the interior walls dovetail with the founding of Carthage and Etruria. Now getting back to these bad Phocaeans who cared so little for their supposed homeland that they left it to the Persians. What caused the Etruscan/Carthaginian/ Sybarite and who knows who else to cause this battle on the sea that no one can say where it occurred??! Why doesn't Mr. Grant or others mention a connection to what happened to Sybaris? It occurred in the same general time frame and he can't say when this battle actually occurred because he has a five year span (or were there many battles in many places?). Sybaris was enormously wealthy and they had Greek allies as well as the Etruscans. Are the Persians Arabs? Were they a part of an allied force of a more extensive attempt to break some corporate monopoly? We aren't told what the practices that were designed to gainfully employ all the Phocaean refugees were. We aren't even given a lead to connect the Phocaeans of this time with ANY allies like the Milesians who are soon to come to their aid as you might agree is worth contemplation. The three interior super-imposed chambers reflect on the constructions at Hal Saflieni in Malta and Santa Maria in Colombia, South America etc., and there is the Triune Nature of Man that Malta seems to have been an ashram/religious center of for millenia. We know that catapults and all kinds of technology inside these 'nuraghi' with their wells could have kept MAJOR forces at bay for MANY years. Is this just a simple mystery or something bigger and on-going? This is a very 'Strange Thing' indeed! The book 'Carthage' mentions no Battle of Alalia (and I found no reference to it in two military and Naval Encyclopedias.) and talks little of Sardinia because it is somewhat outside the focus of their good scholarship. They do say Carthage was trying to maintain a foothold', on Sardinia before this time and later they say it had been a major stronghold which certainly is an understatement. They point out little more than iron on Sardinia and a poisonous indigenous plant. It causes convulsions and leads to the term ‘sardonic laughter’. (42) 'Foothold' might suggest there had been alliances, what kind of alliances fit with these people taken in context of all we have laid before you? Is it possible the Phoenician 'Brotherhood' was engaged in internecine politics? There is evidence of increasing aristocratic desires in Carthage, and we can imagine that up to this point the trade in the Americas was open to all Phoenician 'brothers'. Greed is always part of War. That is what seems most likely. The Carthaginians had some 'foothold' and 'nuraghi’ of their own. They wanted more and the Phocaeans weren't able to get their allies to bring force to bear on the land in time to throw Carthage off the central Keltic stronghold in the Mediterranean. How much wealth and treasure was captured? The Phocaeans would have continued to fight on the sea in many places and when they joined with the Bruttii/Bruces and others near Croton: the Etruscans were vanquished and a treaty or truce was arranged. The conflict continued behind closed doors and erupted in the end of Caesar. We see this later in Brutus versus tyranny conflicts famous in the words of Shakespeare. In 'A Celtic Reader' there is a chapter called 'The Trojan Era' by R. W. Morgan published as part of 'The British Kymry' in 1857, which mirrors the 'Aeneid' and probably borrows heavily from a lot of classical myths. There is an obvious desire to create a narrative that makes Britain appear so great and others diminish or pale in the shadow of that greatness. He can be so specific as to name the date of the fall of Troy that is conveniently on an important Druidic sabbat of June 21st, 1184 BC. It is obvious to me, and there are many others who comment on the maze of missing facts or convenient rationalizations in the Roman or the British versions, but there are corroborative things that probably mean something. His sources apparently include some real historians rather than just Homer or Virgil. These men were Dares of Phrygia and Dietys of Crete and he says they accompanied Brutus to Britain. “It lasted for ten years, during which time eighteen pitched battles were fought, and the flower of the Trojan and Greek chivalry perished for the most part in single combats. The heroes who distinguished themselves most on the Greek side were Achilles, Ulior (Ulysses), Ajax, Pedrocles, Meiron, Nestor, and Agamemnon - on the Trojan or Kymric, Hector, Troil, Paris {He who had not done as Priam the King had ordered and instead took Menelaus's wife from Sparta. The fiction of Helen being the reason for war is like the death of Archduke Ferdinand starting the First World War, as far as I'm concerned. Especially one must consider how these two sides were often allies and originally 'brothers' or 'sisters' as we have shown in the case of the Amazons which archaeology now shows weren't Homeric fiction either.} Memnon, Aeneas, and Sarph (Sarpedon) {Remember he is the Miletus founder.}... in the tenth year of the siege, the Faction of Autenor and Helenus, which had always been averse to the war, threw open the Scoen gate, surmounted by a statue of the white horse of the sun, to the Confederate Army {Under 48 princes which would probably mean 48 city-states, or tribes.}. For forty-eight hours a battle of the most desperate description raged within the walls. The brave old king with most of his sons fell, fighting round the altar in his palace; the command then fell to Aeneas, who, giving orders to fire the city in every quarter to prevent its capture by the enemy, cut his way at the head of the Dardanidae, through sword and flame, to the forest of Mount Ida. There being joined by other Trojans to the number of 88,000, he prepared to return to his ancestors, the Kymry of Italy.†(43) Eighteen or nineteen total pitched battles and Jericho's walls falling at the same archaeological date of 1200 BC. (This date he gives is close enough for carbon-dating and calendrical correlation.) The Kymry and proto-Celts or some other history that spends its time focused on people and dates or numbers will not give insight. The 48 may be symbolic like the 40 years often quoted in the Bible and known to have reference to generations but often not specific at all. Did the Trojans run, yet Sarpedon stay to found a new Miletus? Who really won? Maybe it is like most war when one looks at the money trail. The cannon or sword fodder of individual heroic people are never the real issue. Those who sit back and sip tea and crumpets or wine and women are at the root of the managed outcome. They marry each other and align for occasional conflict between their serfs and paladins. It is a social event as some historians have had to admit. But there are real achievements we do not know about. The Kymry ancestors in Italy seem to tie in with Sardinia and other ancient archaeologic sites like Belverde or on Sicily as well as Malta in pre-Pyramid times going back even further to the Kelts or the fabled Finias and other Ossianic cities such as what is to be found on the bottom of the Black Sea soon. These are very ancient times indeed. He also reports the 48 princes raised a fleet of 1301 ships which leads us to wonder what they were doing. Were they dealing with fights further away? We think the pitched battles were major fights in far off places. We see a 'Faction' of Autenor and Helenus who didn't want the war. Presumably it wasn't a matter of food shortages for the elite, but how did the Trojans feed their people for a ten year siege? There must have been changing alliances and political events that would tell us what was going on but when have we really known what goes on? Do you think Stalin deserved to be given all the Ukrainians who had fought against him on the side of the Germans because he was worse than Hitler? Roosevelt is still pictured as a great leader but the Polish and other east Europeans have a different view of that, and wish the Allies had done what Churchill and Patton wanted to do. "Accordingly, after various adventures, he landed at the mouth of Albula or Tiber, was cordially received by the reigning sovereign, Latinus, and presented with Llawen (Joy), or Lavinia, his daughter, in marriage. {Thus Aeneas seemed to have little to lose no matter what.} Autenor, sailing with six thousand Trojans up the Adriatic founded Padua and the kingdom of 'Gwynedd', or Venetia, in Italy. Helenus, with a large body, settled in Albyn, or albania in Greece where he was afterwards joined by Brutus. {They must have joined others already there. This is the mountainous country that indigenous people can protect from any unwanted guests.} Aeneas, by his first wife Creuss, a daughter of Priam, had Julius Ascanius. From the second son of Ascanius Julius descended the family of Julius Caesar, and the emperors of Rome. The eldest son of Ascanius was Sylvvius Ascanius. He married Edra, niece of Lavinia, who bore him Brutus, the founder of the Trojan dynasty of Britain. The issue {He means the child.} of the second marriage of Aeneas and Lavinia was Silvius Aeneas, from whom descended Romulus, the founder of Rome. In his fifteenth year, Brutus accidentally slew his father in the chase. He was ordered by his grandfather, in consequence of this deplorable event, to quit Italy. Assembling three thousand of the bravest youths of Umbria, he put himself at their head, and sailed to his countrymen in Albania, afterwards called Epirus {Recently one of their early stamps had a Skull & Crossbones prominent on it.}. There in conjunction with Assaracus, another Trojan Prince, he raised the standard of independence against Pandrasus, who had succeeded Agamemnon in the sovereignty of Greece. A series of victories on the Trojan side resulted in a peace, Pandrasus giving his daughter Imogene, in marriage to Brutus. The coasts of the Mediterranean were at this time studded by settlements founded by the Greek leaders at the siege of Troy, for Greece had been completely exhausted and disorganized by her enormous efforts during the ten years' war, and for more than two centuries a state of anarchy succeeded that of the old heroic civilization. {Most scholars agree there was four hundred years of economic and other unrest over a large area and era, which they characterize as a 'Dark Age'. This in itself leads us to think there was more than an Ionian conflict. The matter of anarchy in Greece could be said to have been the norm.} Brutus, aware that a Trojan kingdom could not be established in Albania except at the cost of incessant hostilities, {Who or what race are these Trojans, if not Semites and Phoenicians, and we now see British; if not Kelts and Kymry?} resolved on emigrating with all of his people to the northern seat of the mainstock of his race - the pedestal of the Trojan Palladium consigned to the care of Geryou the augur, and the whole population embarked on board. The Crimean colonization {It would be more accurate to say they joined their Thracian and Scythian 'brothers' by moving across the mountains.} took place by land, across the Continent of Europe - the Trojan was conducted by sea. Coasting the southern shore of the Mediterranean, Brutus arrived the third day at Melita, then called Legetta. Finding on it a temple of Diana, or Karidwen, {This is related to a cauldron in Keltic lore, and it is very important, the Dianistic worship would include it but I think Diana is more properly connected to Dana and the Crimean or Old European area of Kelts.} He consulted her oracle on the future destinies of his family and the nation {What nation?}. The verses were afterwards engraved in Archaic Greek on the altar of New Troy, or London, and translated into Latin in the third century by Nennius, a British prince attached to the court of Claudius Gothicus, the emperor, uncle of Constantius. They have been thus rendered by Pope. With the exception of the predictions of Bal-aam, recorded by Moses in the Book of Numbers, the Prophecy is the oldest in the Gentile world, and is still in the course of fulfillment." (44) It is likely that many people were returning to older homelands as the glaciers retreated and the northern lands warmed up and stopped moving in response to the rebound after heavy glaciers had been upon them. The Kelts would have maintained more contact than most due to their policy of sending children to far away relatives as well as their seafaring and trading expertise. The stories of the Fir Bolg or 'bag men' selling Irish soil to Greece to keep snakes away is a good indicator of what the Greeks were accustomed to, and it tells you that St. Patrick wasn't the one who drove the snakes out of Ireland if you didn't already know that. It is only a suspicion of mine (I suppose) but I think the ancient Basque are somehow genetically connected with Neanderthal and the child's body who they are arguing over found in Portugal from 24,000 years ago who exhibits half Neanderthal genes is supportive of my suspicion. A possible cross between an gorilla and a chimp is now found and being researched which also shows that we may have had the ability to effect genetics in ways science has yet to understand. Could the Sasquatch be related? Please check the science report on the reference given.(45) I think the Basque didn't leave their homeland or change their locale as much as most and they were probably fishing off Newfoundland and in the Gulf of Mexico long before the Ice Age. They might be the Fir Bolg who lived in Ireland during habitable times of the Ice Age. We know the Veneti were in Brittany too, when Caesar arrived with Admiral Brutus of the two Brutus brothers of later times. I think the Veneti are Hallstatt and Beaker Kelts. Caesar's Journals tell us about the ocean-going sailing craft of the Kelts in great admiration as well. But, getting back to Morgan and the time of the battle of Alalia and the subsequent removal of the Tarquin Etruscans from power. Rome’s founding might seem a long time ago, but remember this author says the prophecy is still being fulfilled. He says the Cymro-Celts were known as the Volcae and became one of the great families of Cisalpine Gaul. It is true the Volcae were that and later they made a pact with Hannibal when he attacked Rome; so we see the Phoenicians had a long memory. Brennus "replied, 'These Etrurians have twice as much land as they can cultivate {This was one of the main spiritual tenets of the Brotherhood. It is reflected in their fellow faithful of America like the Iroquois. You do not own GOD, nature provides and you can benefit from leaseholds. The Iroquois also had tonsure or a haircut that mirrored the Druids except it was turned 90 degrees, and it went front to back with the baldness on either side. The turning signifies a specific grade in initiation, and loyalty.) - we are powerful, numerous, and in want of land, yet they refuse to part with an acre of their useless territory.' 'But by what right do you advance such a claim?' again asked the ambassadors. {Larissa Bonfante's book 'Etruscan Life and Afterlife' indicates the Etruscans also didn't believe in land ownership. This one detail including disallowing the Bruttii to use the land so that their brothers and cousins who were living here had to move south near the tip of Italy is the major flaw or failure of the Tarquin kings of Etruria, I believe.} 'By the oldest of all rights', answered Brennus, with a stern smile, 'the law which pervades all nature, and to which the animals are subject - the right of the strong over the weak. It is by this law these Etrurians, and you Romans, originally obtained your possessions. Either restore these possessions to their former owners or abide by the law against yourselves.' ...The people (plebs), however, not only overruled the motion {Of the Senate and elite.}, but creating the three brothers military tribunes, appointed them to the command of the army. Brennus at once gave the word 'for Rome'. 'His forces,' states Plutarch, 'injured no man's property; they neither pillaged the fields, nor insulted the towns.' On the 6th June, AU 363, 490 BC, the two armies met at the confluence of the little river Allia with the Tiber {Yes, a better case for saying this is the same name and the actual important battle exists.}. The Romans were routed {He was routing the Etruscans who had been abusing the people he now named Rome, is how I read this.} ...the defeat of Brennus by Camillus is now abandoned by all scholars as a fiction of Roman vanity. Rome indeed only comes into the province of history after her capture by the Kymry...Brennus reigned thirty years in northern Italy {Other places have the citizens of Rome going along with a pay-off by the elite to allow some of them to remain in place, and the conquerors as we saw were more interested in having a better run government for their 'brothers' than in some destruction.}. The Cymro-Celtic kingdom {Kings and bairds ruled as administrators acting on the will of the people and there were strict prohibitions against any misuse of power.} thus established was henceforth known as Cisalpine Gaul. Its subsequent history is connected with the Roman. Its people were the first nation admitted to full rights of Roman citizenship." (46) It seems the timing is pretty close and the Phocaeans who won the naval battle would have gone to Britain where they traded and told their cousins who came across and fought a few battles with some other tribes on their way to Italy while gathering friends along the way. Britannica confirms Celts came to Cisalpine Gaul in large number around this time and you can be sure they have many who agree. Whether or not it was the Bruttii that Grant says had been called names as part of making their cousins move south needs further exploration. David Chandler of the prestigious Sandhurst Military Academy in Britain says these few words about the historicity and record-keeping of these times. "Roman military history can barely be distinguished from legend until the 3rd century, except in general terms… In general, early Roman victories over other Italian peoples are hardly better than the Pharaonic conquest of the Nile valley, or the Hebrew penetration of Canaan.†(47) Britannica does show a definite Brutus relationship with the Etruscans even closer to the timing reported by Grant about this battle and what we think was a feud that lasted a long time while major political arrangements were made by some big players. Much of what really matters in history might lie at the feet of traders, pirates and accountants (If there is any difference. I was a public accountant for a couple of years.). At the same time the issue of Sardinia seems to beg a Druidic (papal type) authority. Perhaps those who say this is around the birth of the Masons due to Pythagorean influences have a point. That point would be that there became a more firm and super secret agreement between church and state. An agreement that showed up recently in the Greyfriars event which bankrupted Italy and involved top Vatican officials, Masons and the Mafia, shows us they still seek more power and money. You can see the movie 'Monsignor' and get a little of the gist of it. If so, there was a recognition that aristocrats needed to be given their head but watched carefully. It surely is too bad that the Brutus of Caesar's time didn't succeed. The Gracchi would have been a good thing as well. This ethical dispute goes far beyond politics to the very FREEDOM of the soul that William Wallace and his Scots hungered for in 'Braveheart'. This 'FREEDOM' is a spiritual quest that involves the soul and its appreciation for and incestuous relationship with nature (and genetics). There is a history I've never seen connected to the Jewish Holocaust and Irish persecution as well as the treatment of other key Keltic players like the Crimean Ukrainians and Armenians. It even extends to the Sarmoung to Sufi through Manichean or Zoroastrian. These are all cultures who valued the soul and the basic tenets we see the Bruttii inforcing at this (perhaps last) juncture. Jesus and the Cathars were in league later as were the natives of the 'brotherhood' before their often genocidal treatment at the hands of the 'good Christians' and their diseases or Inquisition (300 tribes in North America alone perished within 100 years of the biological and other incursions promoted by the Treaty of Tordesillas and the Spanish/Portuguese horde). The war on the soul and nature became intimately involved with the most soulful members of the human race (WOMEN!). The Danube Kelts that Morgan refers to in the Crimea and we saw in the Amazon graves from Thorpe earlier brought forth cultures of influence in Persia, Anatolia and later the Balts. The Thracians and Slavs are part Kelts as are the Armenians but the constant differentiating and ethnic ego has been augmented by opportunistic sadists like Count Dracul and Milosevic. The Irish, Lithuanian (Romuva) and Cossack/Ukrainians kept their independence through massive long standing wars in most cases. The Jews got a full dose of blame as part of the very war on women they played a part in creating (with Moses). Jesus wanted an end to these attempts to empower the few over the many and I'm still not sure where the Bilderbergs and Illuminati stand in all of these issues today. You will see I am quite open to the fact that they may actually have the true interests of our soulful brotherhood at heart more than any other group at any other time in history. I also see some of the people we call Jews are behind some of the genocide against those other Jews who threw them out of Israel more than once. However, we all need to be aware they are human and have done more than just make mistakes. They've benefited handsomely and participated in some gruesome alliances with their often apparent enemy the Catholic Church who also has been seen on both sides of many fences and issues. It is high time they admit women and own up to their part in a few of the most heinous wars and acts of history. "Brutus, Lucius Junius (ff. late 6th century BC.) a legendary figure, probably historical, who is held to have ousted the despotic Etruscan king Lucius Tarquini |
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