Quantum Physics and Consciousness, Can Science and philosophy work together Options

[Joesus]

When it makes a different choice.

[Robert the Bruce]

I remember a friend about 40 years ago who thought anything that could be said or done had already been tried. He had a Philosophy Prof as an uncle, his father was an international political charicatirist and he had grown up in a home with a library of the best books. We spoke often and he tried to get me to do Brown Window Pane (LSD). I told him I would do it if he wrote a book with me. I told him that I could already do the 'trips' he and others did with drugs and I was in control of these trips but I was pretty sure I wouldn't be if I took LSD and that I might not come back - having read Cosmic Consciousness this same year by R. Marurice Bucke.

He was more afrain of actually DOing something worthwhile than I was of doing LSD - so neither of these things happened.

[Unknown]

To know that which is not possible anymore (Post-Modernism)

Cosmic Consciousness is one of the more enlightening books I've read in a while. I often wonder if the info found within those pages are still relevant in today's Quantum universe. Could Bucke's (a turn of the century Canadian doctor from Ontario) Cosmic Consciousness be a parallel/metaphor for today's Quantum reality?

Will developing Quantum reality lift the whole of human life to that higher plane of existence that Bucke talked so vividly about?

[Trip like I do]

I be the unknown from above.

The Bruce - Were you intelligebly enlightened while you were on LSD trips?

[Dan]

RTB has been organically endowed with his 'abilities', no drugs necessary

[Robert the Bruce]

It is a result of interest in Learning and the JOY it brings. You should try to get to that stage some day.

[Robert the Bruce]

Never did it - and you did not read what I wrote or else did too much LSD in you day.

[Robert the Bruce]

Have you seen the movie Beautiful Dreamers about he an Whitman? Yes, the dimensional work is potentially the saving grace of mankind and all life in this event horizon.

[Trip like I do]

Never meant to infer that you had. I mis-interpreted what you wrote. As for getting to that stage some day, is that not the purpose of this site or has that been mis-interpreted as well?

About 'Beautiful Dreamers', is this a movie that can be rented at the local vid store or is it a specialty item?

I am interested in the topic of quantum reality and the new potential social paradigm for I am an artist who works multi-dimensional in the painting genre and am persistently trying to get the concept of multi-dimensional reality across to both the intellectually informed and laymen alike.

Multi-dimensional space, macro cosmically vs. micro cosmically, and the next (or is it current?) spatial cognitive paragigm, Quantum cosciousness.

[Trip like I do]

Bucke, Richard Maurice (1901). Cosmic Consciousness. New York: Innes & Sons.

Cosmic Consciousness (1901) – Richard Maurice Bucke, M.D.

The work of a Canadian doctor.

Developed an idea of a new consciousness as a mental evolution of mankind, where as it became increasingly common, and eventually general, it would lift the whole of human life to higher plane of existence.

During the formative years most men are having their originality suppressed and their opinions standardized by school and college routine.

Bucke was a student of the human mind, a psychologist, and he treated Illumination from the standpoint of psychology, as a very rare but definite and recognizable mental condition.

He considered that in the last three thousand years of human history, there were at least 14 undeniable cases of complete and permanent enlightenment, as well as other partial or temporary instances of Illumination.

Noticing the increase in frequency of experiences, he deduced that very gradually, the human race is in the process of developing a new kind of consciousness, far in advance of the ordinary human self-consciousness, which will eventually lift the human race above and beyond all the fears and ignorance’s, the brutalities and bestialities which beset it today.

He dealt with for distinct stages of consciousness observable in all living creatures: the perceptual mind of the lower animals, open only to sense impressions; the receptual mind of the higher animals, producing simple consciousness; the conceptual mind of human beings, accompanied by self-consciousness, and cosmic consciousness.

He shows that the human race has added several new kinds of consciousness over the evolution of time, i.e. colour sense, sense of fragrance, and musical sense.

Bucke argued that these new senses must have begun as sporadic, isolated instances of new awareness in a few individuals, and that they spread gradually with the passing of the generations until nearly all civilized races possessed them, though by no means to the same degree or completeness.

He himself had received temporary Illumination.

Contemporary William James once wrote of Bucke, “I believe that you have brought this kind of consciousness ‘home’ to the attention of the students of human nature… your book, dear Sir, is that it is an addition to psychology of first rate importance.�

Cosmic consciousness is a higher form of consciousness than that possessed by the ordinary man. The upper half of the animal kingdom possesses simple consciousness. Man possesses self-consciousness. Cosmic consciousness, in addition to the other two, is a third and higher consciousness.

Language is the objective of which self-consciousness is the subjective.

In the evolution of the intellect there are four distinct steps: The first of them was taken when the primary quality of excitable sensations were established. At this point began the acquisition and perfect registration of sense impressions, percepts.

A percept is a sense impression – a sound that is heard or an object that is seen and the impressions they make are percepts.

Individually and generation by generation the primordial brain accumulated these percepts, the constant repetition of which, calling for further and further registration led, in the struggle for existence and, under the law of natural selection, to an accumulation of cells in the central sense ganglia; the multiplication of cells made further registration possible; that, again, made further growth of the ganglia necessary, and so on.

At last a condition was reached in which it became possible for our ancestor to combine groups of these percepts into a recept. Similar percepts are registered one over the other until they are generalized into one compound percept or a recept, something that has been received.

Now the work of accumulation begins again on a higher plane of existence where the sensory organs keep steadily at work manufacturing percepts; the receptual centres keep steadily at work manufacturing more and yet more recepts from the old and the new percepts; the capacities of the central ganglia are constantly taxed to do the necessary registration of recepts; then as the ganglia by use and selection are improved they constantly manufacture from percepts and from the initial simple recepts, more and more complex, that is, higher and higher recepts.

After many thousands of generations have lived and died, comes a time when the mind has reached the highest possible point of purely receptual intelligence. Then another break in conscious thought, higher recepts are replaced by concepts.

A recept is a composite image of many thousands of percepts; it is itself an image abstracted from many images; but a concept is that same composite image, that same recept, named, ticketed, and dismissed. A concept is in fact a named recept – the name standing henceforth for the thing itself, that is, for the recept.

The revolution by which concepts were substituted for recepts has increased the efficiency of the brain for thought, the ability to replace big cumbersome recept by a simple sign.

As the possession of concepts implies the possession of language, so the possession of concepts and language (which are in reality two aspects of the same thing) implies the possession of self-consciousness.

There is a moment in the evolution of mind when the receptual intellect, capable of simple consciousness only, becomes almost quite instantaneously a conceptual intellect in possession of language and self-consciousness.

In the history of individual man the point is reached and passed at the age of three years; in the history of the human race it was reached and past several thousands of years ago.

Our intellect today is made up of a complex mix of percepts, recepts, and concepts.

A concept is made up of one or more recepts combined with probably several percepts. This complex recept is then marked by a sign; that is it is named and becomes a concept, which, after being named or marked, it is laid away in a vast storage house in the brain for later retrieval.

We have seen the expansion of the perceptual mind had a limit and that its own continued life led it to develop into the receptual mind and that the receptual mind inevitably developed into the conceptual mind, which leads us to the consideration of a corresponding outlet to be found for the conceptual mind, the cosmic consciousness.

The four stages the in the development of the human mind were: first, the perceptual mind, the mind made up of percepts or sense impressions; second, the mind made up of these and recepts, the receptual mind or simple consciousness; third, the mind made up of percepts, recepts and concepts, the conceptual or the self conscious mind; and fourth, there is the intuitional mind, the mind whose highest element is not a recept or a concept but an intuition. This is the mind in which sensation, simple consciousness and self-consciousness are supplemented with cosmic consciousness.

Much more modern than the birth of the intellect is that of the colour sense.

It is well known that the ability to distinguish different colours came at relatively late date:; Xenophanes knew of three colours of the rainbow, purple, red and yellow; even Aristotle spoke of the tri-coloured rainbow; and Democritus knew of no more than four colours – black, white, red and yellow.

Throughout the Homeric poems and the Bible the colour of sky is not once mentioned, therefore, apparently, not recognized.

In the Bible the sky and heaven are mentioned more than four hundred and thirty times, and still no mention of its colour.

In no part of the world is the blue of the sky more vivid and intense than in Greece and Asia Minor, where the Homeric poems were composed.

At first man distinguished only two colours, red and black. Under the name red was included the colour white, yellow and all intermediate tints. While under the name black was included all shades of blue and green.

As the sensations of red and black came into existence by the division of an original unital colour sensation , so in the process of time these also divided, and so on, until at present where apparently four colours, red, yellow, blue, and green have split up into the enormous number of shades of colour which are now reorganized and named.

The solar or other light rays that excite vision are named red, orange, yellow, green, and blue, indigo, violet. These rays differ in the length and amplitude of the waves that compose them, with red being the highest and violet being the lowest.

The energy of light waves has the power of exciting vision. Red rays have several more thousand times the ability for exciting vision than that of violet.

[Robert the Bruce]

I saw it on TV over a year ago. Don't know if you can get it in a vid store. Purpose as in PURPOSE and Logotherapy might include the Singularity of World Mind and then again one has to be open to many alternative universes and creativity that allows assholes like Dan to live in their own world.

As far as artistic representations of a multiverse - the photos from space that are doctored are great but if you wish to convey something that will communicate the way or the how of making this New Paradigm become real - I can imagine you will need more than just one artistic medium. Music would play an important part and you should access symbols which are the archetypes of the mind collective. I suggest Jung and Silberer.

I worked with my last wife on just such paintings and I enjoyed it a lot. The symbols should not compete with each other and the colors must express harmony with the symbols as I see it.

[Trip like I do]

I would be interested in seeing some images of this work.

[Robert the Bruce]

I haven't seen her since we parted in Belize.

[Trip like I do]

Did you come up with any significant results?

[Robert the Bruce]

Art dealers from KC came to a show for a fellow artist at the only studio in Belize City. They paid the highest price for her work and it was in the back room and not on display.

The important work of these things is not the money but the DECREE or ability to set Templates for proper understanding - see Teilhard de Chardin.

[Trip like I do]

Bernard de Chartes, "Latecomers are dwarfs atop the shoulders of giants. However tiny they may be, from their vantage point they can see a little further than their mighty predecessors." (The Analects of Confucius - Simon Leys)

People expect a great work of art to develop their minds by expressing and clarifying the best thoughts of great men and women of their own and earlier times.

“A universe within the mind,” Robert Fudd, a 17th century English physician and inventor, theorized that, “the mind of man was a universe in miniature.”

My studio practice and theoretical research centres on spatial cognition. I’m exploring multi-dimensional aspects of perceptual space, as well as, multi-bodies of thought by visually synthesizing many compositional and theoretical elements into a single harmonious amalgamation. I layer many theoretical approaches that attempt to echo the multi-dimensional complexity of metaphysics. I’m taking a metaphysical approach to painting by contextualizing an interdisciplinary blend of philosophy, science, math, and art with the psychology of colour, optics and perception. This approach has been accomplished through the aid of a multi-dimensional painting style that employs geometrical applications, philosophical assumptions, scientific endeavours and psychological theories. This conglomeration seamlessly co-exists on two and three-dimensional painting surfaces in visually exciting and harmonic colour combinations. I do this to correlate with the mathematically structured world that humanity has created, whether this is due to a collectively insufficient mental capacity to discern otherwise or because this is exactly how the universe is, and to mimic the newly emancipated and historically subjugated multi-coloured perception of life, colours of consciousness, relatively speaking. Are we just now beginning to collectively crawl out from the turbid depths of our universal ignorance and establishing cosmic consciousness, a Quantum paradigm?

My paintings have been a rational attempt to explore questions of internal relationships with the known perceptual environment. I’ve chosen to work multi-dimensionally so as to parallel the scientifically theorized multi-verse we live in, where some scientists believe there to be as many as seven added dimensions, to the ones of length, breadth, height, and time, that make up the fabric of space. I’ve been exploring and pushing the boundaries of the traditional planar surface for answers to the plethora of complicated states and structures that we see and don’t see around us in the physical world on a continual basis.

[Robert the Bruce]

Fudd is Fludd: he was the alchemist of The Royal Society (BEES) put as the Nautonnier of The Priory of Sion. What he refers to here is the Dictum of Hermes or Law of the Magi (there are three) which I used in my wife's major artwork before doing a Jaguar for a friend as we left Belize.

This law is commonly reduced to As Above, SO Below and there is a great book by that title you may want to get.

The micro to macro universe is easily represented in art by drawing a crossing line line in the center of your piece of art and then representing your message wherein relationships of the content play themselves out.

[Rick]

[Robert the Bruce]

Psshah.

They did not fire the guy at MIT who fraudulently cooked the work on the Fleishmann-Pons experiemnt. They did not fire the people who Velikovsky proved wrong. IN fact you will find if you fraudulently do what the paradigm wants you to do - you will get advancements you do not deserve.

[Rick]

Regardless of the probability of consequences to myself, I will not knowingly lie. That is doing unnecessary harm, which is my definition of evil. Nor will I take undeserved advancements. That's behavior unbecoming of a human being.

Regarding cold fusion, are there any recent developments?

[rhymer]

Rick,
Quote:-
"That's behavior unbecoming of a human being".

Surely you meant 'civilised and reasonable' before 'human being'.

I find most human beings are neither of these, though I have to admit that it is sometimes difficult to assess over the web!

Good luck to you!!!

[Rick]

Thanks, Rhymer. I think most people have a basically good nature, and if they do something harmful on impulse, they try to make up for it later.

[Trip like I do]

Most of the Velikovskian skeptics were not lying, their individual and collective mental capacities (or is it deficientcies) would not and could not allow them to wrap (warp) their heads around the concepts that Velikovsky theorized. The only harm in having unwittingly falsifying data is that you were misinformed, and if society unwittingly follows your lead, like little lost sheep, then we're in deep caca.

When you know, say you know; when you don't know, say you don't know. this is the secret of KNOWLEDGE.

He who by revising the old knows the new, is fit to be teacher.

To study without thinking is futile. To think without studying is dangerous.

Analects of Confucius.

[Robert the Bruce]

Please listen to my interview - yes there are VERY scary developments. I think I cover the bludgeoning of Eugene Mallove near the end of the interview.

[Robert the Bruce]

Here is a TOC for my book Debunking the Debunker that covers a few examples of culpability in government control of academia and other peer controlled environments that cronyism is rampant in.


TABLE OF CONTENTS:

CHAPTER ONE: Who Pays the ‘Mouthpieces?’:

‘IDEAS’ AND THE KENNEWICK MAN:
Marshack’s Lunar Calendar in Iberia:
THE KENSINGTON RUNESTONE:
The Sea Hawks:
THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE:
Diabetes Cure and ‘Quack’:

CHAPTER TWO: Velikovsky’s Victories:

In the Stars:
FROM THE PYRAMIDS:
Three Pillars of Ignorance:
NIETZSCHE TOO?
Count Rumford:
ATOMIC HIGH-SPIN TECHNOLOGY:
The Singularity:

CHAPTER THREE: The ‘Amazing Randi’:

KHUIT:
"How Were the Pyramids Built?
THE RISE AND FALL OF PYRAMIDS:
Merton on Mayans:
BILL JOY THE KILLJOY:

CHAPTER FOUR: Driving Good Scholars Out:

Frederick Pohl:
IVAN SANDERSON:
Thor Heyerdahl:
ANTON MESMER:
Farley Mowat:
THE KNOWLEDGE FILTER:
William Dembski:
INTELITAPPING:

CHAPTER FIVE: Manifest Destiny and the Spoils:

CONCORDIA UNIVERSITY:
The ‘Star PEOPLE’:
EASTER ISLAND TO THE MORIORI KELTS OF NEW ZEALAND:
Neolithic Knowledge: - Astronomy, Astrology, Agriculture and Mathematics:
MEDICINE, MINERALOGY AND MEDICINE:
Music and the Muses:
LINGUISTICS AND ARCHAEOLOGY:

CHAPTER SIX: Castaneda, Chopra, Churchward and More:

THE STANFORD ANTHROPOLOGICAL REVIEW:
Wayne Dyer and Time:
GELL-MANN:
Royal Astronomer’s Doppelganger:
SORCERER-GENERAL STUBBLEBINE:
Reichean Orgone Energy:
CASTANEDA INTERVIEW – 1972:

CHAPTER SEVEN: The ‘Para’-normal:

Bohm and Bohr:
SIR WILLIAM CROOKES:
Quakers and Psychiatry:
JUNG AND EINSTEIN:
Richard Feynman:
JOHN VON NEUMANN:
Rediscovering the Mind:
BEARDEN:

CHAPTER EIGHT: Ancient Knowledge:

DR. SENTIEL ROMMEL:
The Forge and The Crucible:
Breath:
THE STILLNESS IN YOGA (UNION):
Tapping-in Can Be Gradual:
COLD FUSION OR FISSION:
Megaliths:
THE MYSTERIES WITHIN:
Homeopathy:

CHAPTER NINE: Social Engineering:

Historians Analyze Hitler:
THE DELPHI TECHNIQUE:
Simon Magus:
FUKAYAMA’S THE END OF HISTORY AND THE LAST MAN:
The Da Vinci Code:
FAITH AND FAKIRS:

CHAPTER TEN: Dowsing Doctors:

DIVING RODS:
Patch Adams:
AYURVEDA AND ACUPUNCTURE:
Radical Healing:
It does not matter if there is a Soul:
MIND OVER MATTER – PROVEN:
DOCTORS AREN'T RESPONSIBLE:
An Historical or Hysterical Overview:
THE TUSCEGEE EXPERIMENT:
Mengele, American Eugenics, and Morals:

CHAPTER ELEVEN: The Medical Model:

FRESH MEAT:
Hospitals and Prisons Without Walls:
THE PILL IS A PROBLEM:
Alienation:
ALTERNATIVE CARE:

[Trip like I do]

Where can I find a copy of this book? Was it or is it going to be mass produced? Or, is it of a sort of clandestine material?

[Robert the Bruce]

I have not offerred it for publication yet. I am awaiting a Literary Agency effort and trying to decide what path to take with many of my books. If you buy one of the other offerings and do a review on Amazon for it I will e-mail this one to you gratis.

[Trip like I do]

Parts of the book that intrigue me the most are:

Chapter 2 Velikovsky's Victories (especially the singularity)
Farley Mowat
Concordia University
Neolithic Knowledge - Asrtonomy, Astrology, Agriculture, and Mathematics
Jung and Einstein
The Da Vinci Code

Can this book be read in sections, or is it something that should be read concurrently, front to bach, star to finish?

[Robert the Bruce]

I have posted tow or three of those sections here.

[Unknown]

A short excerpt from:

QED

The Strange Theory of Light and Matter

author

Richard P. Feynman

(Please note the emphasis Feynman puts on motion being the unifying element in all these separate fields)



. . . it was soon discovered, after Sir Isaac explained the laws of motion, that some of these apparently different things were aspects of the same thing. For example, the phenomena of sound could be completely understood in the motion of atoms in the air. So sound was no longer considered something in addition to motion. It was also discovered that heat phenomena was easily understandable from the laws of motion. In this way great globs of physics were synthesized into a simplified theory. The theory of gravitation, on the other hand, was not understandable from the laws of motion, and even today it stands isolated from the other theories. Gravitation is, so far, not understandable in terms of . . .

motion or relative motion that produces not only gravity but all the forces,

that I explained and published in this 1966 relative motion book below:

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ABSTRACT of the above book:

You do NOT need to visualize four separate fundamental forces when these are really only one force that can easily be viewed by using a frequency modification of Ampere's 1825 laws