Deprenyl: The Anti-Aging Smart Drug Options

[mk-ultra]

well the deprenyl/PEA combo works just fine. Much more cost effective than PEA alone, and the effect seems cleaner...whereas nausea can develop easy for myself on just PEA alone.

3 times a day is pushing it for myself, two being more practical( and depending on the time they are spaced will determine if I add deprenyl again); as the effect decreases until the next day...and it just seems like a waste to do so. I personally don't have to be flying all the time, but it's a hell of a lot better for when I'm about to go to work.

I'll keep posting on the efficacy as I find out some new things.

The next things will be how my eating habits change, sleeping changes [probably including how PEA made me have the kind of dreams that made me wake up drenched with sweat(unusual for me) and the feeling that that's the most intense shit I've ever experienced], and physical changes (most likely more endurance/motivation)

Hope you enjoy

Phi.. At which doses are you experiencing mood enhancing (uh flying??) with the PEA/Deprenyl combo. I wouldn't call the effects I feel as mood enhancing but more as slightly amphetaminic without any euphoric feeling at all. It makes my devoid of stimuli existence somewhat bearable. It definitively potentiates physical activity, but that's it.

Have I added that this drug isn't good to take if you're gonna sit inert at your computer screen.? If I don't do something demanding, or that I dread to do, I fall into these weird OCD loops where I'm checking myself twice. Also restless legs, taping fingers.. Overall, enhanced obsessive behavior..

Btw. I'm taking jumex now, and it's no different at all from the generic one I took the first time I tried Selegiline.
Buy generic if you can, it would probably be cheaper.

[Nuclear Biscuit]

I've been using this stuff for just over a week now. So far so good. Motivation and mood have definitely improved! It's great! I find the little tabs difficult to divide, so I'm taking 2.5mg(approx) every other day, and I'm going to take next week off and see how long it takes for my symptoms to return. I was planning to keep this going, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. I'm 26, 5'4 and weigh about 57kg- is the dose too high? I was thinking of recompounding the pills into 1mg doses. Good idea?

Thanks in advance for any advice

[Hey Hey]

I've been using this stuff for just over a week now. So far so good. Motivation and mood have definitely improved! It's great! I find the little tabs difficult to divide, so I'm taking 2.5mg(approx) every other day, and I'm going to take next week off and see how long it takes for my symptoms to return. I was planning to keep this going, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. I'm 26, 5'4 and weigh about 57kg- is the dose too high? I was thinking of recompounding the pills into 1mg doses. Good idea?

Thanks in advance for any advice

I don't understand your rationale for a 2 weeks on 2 weeks off regime. Depends on the pharmacokinetics, but even an every other day regime might not be relevant to the normally desired effects. The dosage seems to be quite out of kilter with the commonly used. Maybe LM could comment.

[mk-ultra]

I've been using this stuff for just over a week now. So far so good. Motivation and mood have definitely improved! It's great! I find the little tabs difficult to divide, so I'm taking 2.5mg(approx) every other day, and I'm going to take next week off and see how long it takes for my symptoms to return. I was planning to keep this going, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. I'm 26, 5'4 and weigh about 57kg- is the dose too high? I was thinking of recompounding the pills into 1mg doses. Good idea?

Thanks in advance for any advice

I don't understand your rationale for a 2 weeks on 2 weeks off regime. Depends on the pharmacokinetics, but even an every other day regime might not be relevant to the normally desired effects. The dosage seems to be quite out of kilter with the commonly used. Maybe LM could comment.

I've seen a few scattered posts of people who respond quite strongly to it on low doses. So I'm not surprised the poster wants to stick to that regimen. At least he/she won't build tolerance.

[Nuclear Biscuit]

I don't understand your rationale for a 2 weeks on 2 weeks off regime. Depends on the pharmacokinetics, but even an every other day regime might not be relevant to the normally desired effects. The dosage seems to be quite out of kilter with the commonly used. Maybe LM could comment.

Sorry, I meant to type 2 weeks on 1 week off. I may lengthen or shorten the gap depending on how long the deprenyl takes to wear off. Drepenyl appealed to me both as a nootropic and as an antidepressant. I've been trying to get out of a very bad bout of depression and boost my motivation and concentration. Mentally I'm motivated, I just have difficulty translating it into action due to a short attention span and wandering mind (aggravated by the depression), which I find very frustrating. From what I've read I'm a bit younger than most drepenyl users, so my MAO-B levels are likely to be low. I'd rather take too low a dose and increase it than take too much and make my condition worse, and as MAO-B is also required to break down things other than dopamine, I think letting it come back a little now and again is a good thing.

I've seen a few scattered posts of people who respond quite strongly to it on low doses. So I'm not surprised the poster wants to stick to that regimen. At least he/she won't build tolerance.

I'm definitely seeing effects on 2.5mg. I think when I manage to get an accurate set of scales I'll try 1mg and see what happens, as I find it difficult to divide the pills accurately and some nights I've had trouble sleeping, although I don't know if this is the deprenyl or not.

Thank you both for taking the time to reply

[adam3482004]

Some good reports. I'm kind of wondering. How does this compare to amphetamines (for anybody that's taken them?). Are the methamphetamine metabolites active (meaning they cross the blood brain barrier?).

Is it similar to Desoxyn (a meth. compound sold in pharmacies)? If so, I'd avoid this.

[mk-ultra]

Some good reports. I'm kind of wondering. How does this compare to amphetamines (for anybody that's taken them?). Are the methamphetamine metabolites active (meaning they cross the blood brain barrier?).

Is it similar to Desoxyn (a meth. compound sold in pharmacies)? If so, I'd avoid this.

At x3 times the regular 5mg dose it has a slight methamphetaminic(sp?) effect.
Nothing anywhere as strong as any form of recreational methamphetamine. No euphoric feelings that I can report either.
Too much of a dosage may override its MAOI qualities altogether.
At x1 the dose I'm in a particular task oriented mood with a good predisposition . At x3 the initial dose I'm in a foul, easily-irritable mood. Meaning I could still accomplish, and have the energy to accomplish what I want, but I won't be too much use as a team player.
Still, even at a high dosage you can go to sleep (perhaps 2 hours later than usual), but it doesn't leave you awake for nearly 24hrs, or with an awful comedown.

Not sure if this answers your question, as it is rather brief.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?d...=showdetailview

Avoid pharmacies? I mean, how many otc medicine has some derivative of methyl in its ingredients.. Heck, some even try to change the name altogether. Levomethamphetamine to levmetamfetamine in the case of decongestants.

[adam3482004]

Some good reports. I'm kind of wondering. How does this compare to amphetamines (for anybody that's taken them?). Are the methamphetamine metabolites active (meaning they cross the blood brain barrier?).

Is it similar to Desoxyn (a meth. compound sold in pharmacies)? If so, I'd avoid this.

At x3 times the regular 5mg dose it has a slight methamphetaminic(sp?) effect.
Nothing anywhere as strong as any form of recreational methamphetamine. No euphoric feelings that I can report either.
Too much of a dosage may override its MAOI qualities altogether.
At x1 the dose I'm in a particular task oriented mood with a good predisposition . At x3 the initial dose I'm in a foul, easily-irritable mood. Meaning I could still accomplish, and have the energy to accomplish what I want, but I won't be too much use as a team player.
Still, even at a high dosage you can go to sleep (perhaps 2 hours later than usual), but it doesn't leave you awake for nearly 24hrs, or with an awful comedown.

Not sure if this answers your question, as it is rather brief.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?d...=showdetailview

Avoid pharmacies? I mean, how many otc medicine has some derivative of methyl in its ingredients.. Heck, some even try to change the name altogether. Levomethamphetamine to levmetamfetamine in the case of decongestants.

Not avoid pharmacy's. What I meant was I wouldn't be too interested in Deprenyl if it felt like one were on an amphetamine.

I'll check that link up that you posted. Thanks for the report.

[mk-ultra]

Some good reports. I'm kind of wondering. How does this compare to amphetamines (for anybody that's taken them?). Are the methamphetamine metabolites active (meaning they cross the blood brain barrier?).

Is it similar to Desoxyn (a meth. compound sold in pharmacies)? If so, I'd avoid this.

At x3 times the regular 5mg dose it has a slight methamphetaminic(sp?) effect.
Nothing anywhere as strong as any form of recreational methamphetamine. No euphoric feelings that I can report either.
Too much of a dosage may override its MAOI qualities altogether.
At x1 the dose I'm in a particular task oriented mood with a good predisposition . At x3 the initial dose I'm in a foul, easily-irritable mood. Meaning I could still accomplish, and have the energy to accomplish what I want, but I won't be too much use as a team player.
Still, even at a high dosage you can go to sleep (perhaps 2 hours later than usual), but it doesn't leave you awake for nearly 24hrs, or with an awful comedown.

Not sure if this answers your question, as it is rather brief.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?d...=showdetailview

Avoid pharmacies? I mean, how many otc medicine has some derivative of methyl in its ingredients.. Heck, some even try to change the name altogether. Levomethamphetamine to levmetamfetamine in the case of decongestants.

Not avoid pharmacy's. What I meant was I wouldn't be too interested in Deprenyl if it felt like one were on an amphetamine.

I'll check that link up that you posted. Thanks for the report.

Well.. in that case you should definitively avoid the PEA+Deprenyl combo. It's nasty.. I personally didn't like combo. It sorta has the qualities of a methamphetamine high, although not as extreme. Avoid at all costs..

[adam3482004]

Some good reports. I'm kind of wondering. How does this compare to amphetamines (for anybody that's taken them?). Are the methamphetamine metabolites active (meaning they cross the blood brain barrier?).

Is it similar to Desoxyn (a meth. compound sold in pharmacies)? If so, I'd avoid this.

At x3 times the regular 5mg dose it has a slight methamphetaminic(sp?) effect.
Nothing anywhere as strong as any form of recreational methamphetamine. No euphoric feelings that I can report either.
Too much of a dosage may override its MAOI qualities altogether.
At x1 the dose I'm in a particular task oriented mood with a good predisposition . At x3 the initial dose I'm in a foul, easily-irritable mood. Meaning I could still accomplish, and have the energy to accomplish what I want, but I won't be too much use as a team player.
Still, even at a high dosage you can go to sleep (perhaps 2 hours later than usual), but it doesn't leave you awake for nearly 24hrs, or with an awful comedown.

Not sure if this answers your question, as it is rather brief.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?d...=showdetailview

Avoid pharmacies? I mean, how many otc medicine has some derivative of methyl in its ingredients.. Heck, some even try to change the name altogether. Levomethamphetamine to levmetamfetamine in the case of decongestants.

Not avoid pharmacy's. What I meant was I wouldn't be too interested in Deprenyl if it felt like one were on an amphetamine.

I'll check that link up that you posted. Thanks for the report.

Well.. in that case you should definitively avoid the PEA+Deprenyl combo. It's nasty.. I personally didn't like combo. It sorta has the qualities of a methamphetamine high, although not as extreme. Avoid at all costs..

Good advice. I've tried Deprenyl at 5 mg and am not too impressed with it so far. I feel mainly relexed, tired, and out of it. Sex drive I don't think would be increased as I kind of feel flat and zonked out. Wierd how most people seem to respond differently...

[mk-ultra]

Some good reports. I'm kind of wondering. How does this compare to amphetamines (for anybody that's taken them?). Are the methamphetamine metabolites active (meaning they cross the blood brain barrier?).

Is it similar to Desoxyn (a meth. compound sold in pharmacies)? If so, I'd avoid this.

At x3 times the regular 5mg dose it has a slight methamphetaminic(sp?) effect.
Nothing anywhere as strong as any form of recreational methamphetamine. No euphoric feelings that I can report either.
Too much of a dosage may override its MAOI qualities altogether.
At x1 the dose I'm in a particular task oriented mood with a good predisposition . At x3 the initial dose I'm in a foul, easily-irritable mood. Meaning I could still accomplish, and have the energy to accomplish what I want, but I won't be too much use as a team player.
Still, even at a high dosage you can go to sleep (perhaps 2 hours later than usual), but it doesn't leave you awake for nearly 24hrs, or with an awful comedown.

Not sure if this answers your question, as it is rather brief.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?d...=showdetailview

Avoid pharmacies? I mean, how many otc medicine has some derivative of methyl in its ingredients.. Heck, some even try to change the name altogether. Levomethamphetamine to levmetamfetamine in the case of decongestants.

Not avoid pharmacy's. What I meant was I wouldn't be too interested in Deprenyl if it felt like one were on an amphetamine.

I'll check that link up that you posted. Thanks for the report.

Well.. in that case you should definitively avoid the PEA+Deprenyl combo. It's nasty.. I personally didn't like combo. It sorta has the qualities of a methamphetamine high, although not as extreme. Avoid at all costs..

Good advice. I've tried Deprenyl at 5 mg and am not too impressed with it so far. I feel mainly relexed, tired, and out of it. Sex drive I don't think would be increased as I kind of feel flat and zonked out. Wierd how most people seem to respond differently...

In all fairness I accidentally overdid PEA when I tried it the first time with deprenyl a few days ago.

It's amazing what a little dopamine release can do without it being broken down. I mildly experience this when I exercise on a single dose of Deprenyl alone (jogging/workout). Albeit, you can appreciate the effects because you're still YOU.

However, having tried a dose of 1g of PEA an hour later after a single 5mg deprenyl intake, I can safely say that it has enough euphoria to be considered a recreational drug combo. I don't recommend anyone taking the combo at a dose of 5mg + 1g. If you're around people they would know that something is not right with you, you'd feel disassociated enough not to care what anyone thinks (at least for a short time). The euphoria doesn't last that long either, maybe 5-10 mins followed by 1/2 hour of quasi-entactogen feelings (not anywhere as mdma) then 2-3 hour come down, which in my case consisted of slight paranoia as I was still out and about where I could encounter people.

My guess is that taken at low doses the combo can give well being feelings without the high aspects of it. Maybe a low dose of 2.5mg of deprenyl + 250mg-500mg would be acceptable without losing an observing anchor. Anything higher than that and it would impair your judgment. You won't feel like yourself at all.
I won't be touching this combo for a few weeks.. (and never again at a high dosage)

[Phi]

well the deprenyl/PEA combo works just fine. Much more cost effective than PEA alone, and the effect seems cleaner...whereas nausea can develop easy for myself on just PEA alone.

3 times a day is pushing it for myself, two being more practical( and depending on the time they are spaced will determine if I add deprenyl again); as the effect decreases until the next day...and it just seems like a waste to do so. I personally don't have to be flying all the time, but it's a hell of a lot better for when I'm about to go to work.

I'll keep posting on the efficacy as I find out some new things.

The next things will be how my eating habits change, sleeping changes [probably including how PEA made me have the kind of dreams that made me wake up drenched with sweat(unusual for me) and the feeling that that's the most intense shit I've ever experienced], and physical changes (most likely more endurance/motivation)

Hope you enjoy

Phi.. At which doses are you experiencing mood enhancing (uh flying??) with the PEA/Deprenyl combo. I wouldn't call the effects I feel as mood enhancing but more as slightly amphetaminic without any euphoric feeling at all. It makes my devoid of stimuli existence somewhat bearable. It definitively potentiates physical activity, but that's it.

Have I added that this drug isn't good to take if you're gonna sit inert at your computer screen.? If I don't do something demanding, or that I dread to do, I fall into these weird OCD loops where I'm checking myself twice. Also restless legs, taping fingers.. Overall, enhanced obsessive behavior..

Btw. I'm taking jumex now, and it's no different at all from the generic one I took the first time I tried Selegiline.
Buy generic if you can, it would probably be cheaper.

I would be flying if I took more than 750mg of PEA with deprenyl. I haven't tried meth, but it's a little scary to take at that rate. I would strongly recommend not going over that dose...it could get somebody in a lot of trouble like a drug-induced psychosis

[adam3482004]

No worries. I don't plan on taking the Deprenyl+PEA combo. If I do, it would be at a very small dosage.

I don't really see the reason too though...

[Phi]

its like drinking coffee in the morning...I don't do it but some tend to like it

[mk-ultra]

well the deprenyl/PEA combo works just fine. Much more cost effective than PEA alone, and the effect seems cleaner...whereas nausea can develop easy for myself on just PEA alone.

3 times a day is pushing it for myself, two being more practical( and depending on the time they are spaced will determine if I add deprenyl again); as the effect decreases until the next day...and it just seems like a waste to do so. I personally don't have to be flying all the time, but it's a hell of a lot better for when I'm about to go to work.

I'll keep posting on the efficacy as I find out some new things.

The next things will be how my eating habits change, sleeping changes [probably including how PEA made me have the kind of dreams that made me wake up drenched with sweat(unusual for me) and the feeling that that's the most intense shit I've ever experienced], and physical changes (most likely more endurance/motivation)

Hope you enjoy

Phi.. At which doses are you experiencing mood enhancing (uh flying??) with the PEA/Deprenyl combo. I wouldn't call the effects I feel as mood enhancing but more as slightly amphetaminic without any euphoric feeling at all. It makes my devoid of stimuli existence somewhat bearable. It definitively potentiates physical activity, but that's it.

Have I added that this drug isn't good to take if you're gonna sit inert at your computer screen.? If I don't do something demanding, or that I dread to do, I fall into these weird OCD loops where I'm checking myself twice. Also restless legs, taping fingers.. Overall, enhanced obsessive behavior..

Btw. I'm taking jumex now, and it's no different at all from the generic one I took the first time I tried Selegiline.
Buy generic if you can, it would probably be cheaper.

I would be flying if I took more than 750mg of PEA with deprenyl. I haven't tried meth, but it's a little scary to take at that rate. I would strongly recommend not going over that dose...it could get somebody in a lot of trouble like a drug-induced psychosis

I personally went ballistic that day. It weirded me out enough to avoid people for the rest of the evening. It's funny, here I thought I was just gonna walk about with a smile enjoying nature, and instead I turned into the cookie monster or some shit. Not fun!

[Phi]

yeah, its really strange and I don't think it's very healthy at a dose of over 750

[mk-ultra]

yeah, its really strange and I don't think it's very healthy at a dose of over 750

Have you tried it in low doses. Half a selegiline pill (2.5mg) + 500mg (or less) of PEA.

I wonder if someone who's got food addiction (compulsive eating disorder) could benefit from taking this combo. This would change their gears from dreading exercise to actually enjoying it, cancelling out the food reward dopaminergic mechanism while potentiating the desire for releasing dopamine through exercise.

[Phi]

didn't try that...I'm sure it would work well

[mk-ultra]

didn't try that...I'm sure it would work well

I just tried it at a low dose and I still get quite a strong effect. 2.5mg selegiline, 500mg PEA. Next will be a lower dose of PEA (250mg). 500mg still proved too high of a dose. The effects are still completely useless to me. I can't stress this enough, judgment is seriously impaired at high doses.

[Phi]

I thought it was a good motivator before I worked out then went to work...by the time I arrived at work I was fine. Any other circumstances, I couldn't see the combo as being useful....and I can't stress enough to not go over 750

[mk-ultra]

I thought it was a good motivator before I worked out then went to work...by the time I arrived at work I was fine. Any other circumstances, I couldn't see the combo as being useful....and I can't stress enough to not go over 750

I'm thinking for working out it's gotta be even lower than that. This kinda sucks because no one sells PEA capped below 500mg.
Based on my own experiences I can only recommend 1mg of selegiline and 200mg of PEA. It's short lived this way, potentiates physical exercise just find, and it doesn't cognitively impair you in any way. (you're also saving some dough on the deprenyl)

About the only positive outcome of this experimentation is that at least I know I'm not being sold placebo!

There's so much crap I've tried in the past that has been completely bunk..

[LifeMirage]

I thought it was a good motivator before I worked out then went to work...by the time I arrived at work I was fine. Any other circumstances, I couldn't see the combo as being useful....and I can't stress enough to not go over 750

I'm thinking for working out it's gotta be even lower than that. This kinda sucks because no one sells PEA capped below 500mg.
Based on my own experiences I can only recommend 1mg of selegiline and 200mg of PEA. It's short lived this way, potentiates physical exercise just find, and it doesn't cognitively impair you in any way. (you're also saving some dough on the deprenyl)

About the only positive outcome of this experimentation is that at least I know I'm not being sold placebo!

There's so much crap I've tried in the past that has been completely bunk..

A few companies sell doses ranging from 250 mg to as low as 5-10 mg of phenylethylamine.

[Insum]

I've tried 2g+ of PEA with 5mg of deprenyl taken earlier in the day. It felt extremely intense for over an hour, but I didn't feel agitated, paranoid, edgy, tense, etc. In fact I was able to do anything extremely well, and wow what an effect on the sex drive.. I could sit and focus or I could do multiple things with intense motivation and a smile on my face the whole time. I've tried it a few times since and it was never a bad experience. I came across this combo accidentally because earlier on I was taking deprenyl daily to try to boost my motivation and sex drive, and then I incorporated 500mg PEA in the morning into my nootropic stack and instantly noticed something different, the waves of tingling sensations that would come shortly after taking the PEA (similar to a very high dose of beta alanine), even at that low dose while on deprenyl.

It's interesting how it can effect people differently. Deprenyl on it's own doesn't seem to have much benefit with me though when taken regularly or even along with l-dopa. But deprenyl + PEA work very positively with me, although I won't take it often at that high of a dose. I could handle it but it was extremely intense.

[Phi]

Yeah, definitely be careful...you don't want to end up in the hospital. If you feel sick ever, make sure to stop 4 a few. But at doses that high, it's just a high...I don't think theres anything therapeutic about it. And how it affects the body at doses that high can create flu like symptoms, and can't be very healthy

[mk-ultra]

I've tried 2g+ of PEA with 5mg of deprenyl taken earlier in the day. It felt extremely intense for over an hour, but I didn't feel agitated, paranoid, edgy, tense, etc. In fact I was able to do anything extremely well, and wow what an effect on the sex drive.. I could sit and focus or I could do multiple things with intense motivation and a smile on my face the whole time. I've tried it a few times since and it was never a bad experience. I came across this combo accidentally because earlier on I was taking deprenyl daily to try to boost my motivation and sex drive, and then I incorporated 500mg PEA in the morning into my nootropic stack and instantly noticed something different, the waves of tingling sensations that would come shortly after taking the PEA (similar to a very high dose of beta alanine), even at that low dose while on deprenyl.

It's interesting how it can effect people differently. Deprenyl on it's own doesn't seem to have much benefit with me though when taken regularly or even along with l-dopa. But deprenyl + PEA work very positively with me, although I won't take it often at that high of a dose. I could handle it but it was extremely intense.

The paranoia in my particular case involved possibly being in contact with people and not knowing how you'd react. If you suffer from any kind of social anxiety you'd understand this better. There's no schizophrenia, just fear on how I'd be perceived if caught in a different state of mind.
Mind you, I don't experience this shame until much later when the effects are subsiding. When the effects are fully on, I feel so much clarity to the point of feeling I could possibly do no wrong on whatever decision I'd make. Now, depending on who you are, you'd see this as either delusion, or uncluttering of the mind.

If I could take the shame out of it, I could probably enjoy it a bit more.
However, I do feel this combo is addictive. I've tried it 3 times, each experience particularly intense for me.
I did 2g of PEA as well and almost felt like I could black out at some point if I didn't breathe deep enough (I had to actually lie flat in the floor for a minute). I initially started at half a dose 250mg, then upped it to 500mg, until I finally tried 500mg every hour or so. You don't want the high to end. Say what you will but this feels analogous to some poor MDMA knock off with a much shorter half life.

[mk-ultra]

I thought it was a good motivator before I worked out then went to work...by the time I arrived at work I was fine. Any other circumstances, I couldn't see the combo as being useful....and I can't stress enough to not go over 750

I'm thinking for working out it's gotta be even lower than that. This kinda sucks because no one sells PEA capped below 500mg.
Based on my own experiences I can only recommend 1mg of selegiline and 200mg of PEA. It's short lived this way, potentiates physical exercise just find, and it doesn't cognitively impair you in any way. (you're also saving some dough on the deprenyl)

About the only positive outcome of this experimentation is that at least I know I'm not being sold placebo!

There's so much crap I've tried in the past that has been completely bunk..

A few companies sell doses ranging from 250 mg to as low as 5-10 mg of phenylethylamine.

I haven't found a single one that does.

[GodConsciousness]

I've tried 2g+ of PEA with 5mg of deprenyl taken earlier in the day. It felt extremely intense for over an hour, but I didn't feel agitated, paranoid, edgy, tense, etc. In fact I was able to do anything extremely well, and wow what an effect on the sex drive.. I could sit and focus or I could do multiple things with intense motivation and a smile on my face the whole time. I've tried it a few times since and it was never a bad experience. I came across this combo accidentally because earlier on I was taking deprenyl daily to try to boost my motivation and sex drive, and then I incorporated 500mg PEA in the morning into my nootropic stack and instantly noticed something different, the waves of tingling sensations that would come shortly after taking the PEA (similar to a very high dose of beta alanine), even at that low dose while on deprenyl.

It's interesting how it can effect people differently. Deprenyl on it's own doesn't seem to have much benefit with me though when taken regularly or even along with l-dopa. But deprenyl + PEA work very positively with me, although I won't take it often at that high of a dose. I could handle it but it was extremely intense.

The paranoia in my particular case involved possibly being in contact with people and not knowing how you'd react. If you suffer from any kind of social anxiety you'd understand this better. There's no schizophrenia, just fear on how I'd be perceived if caught in a different state of mind.
Mind you, I don't experience this shame until much later when the effects are subsiding. When the effects are fully on, I feel so much clarity to the point of feeling I could possibly do no wrong on whatever decision I'd make. Now, depending on who you are, you'd see this as either delusion, or uncluttering of the mind.

If I could take the shame out of it, I could probably enjoy it a bit more.
However, I do feel this combo is addictive. I've tried it 3 times, each experience particularly intense for me.
I did 2g of PEA as well and almost felt like I could black out at some point if I didn't breathe deep enough (I had to actually lie flat in the floor for a minute). I initially started at half a dose 250mg, then upped it to 500mg, until I finally tried 500mg every hour or so. You don't want the high to end. Say what you will but this feels analogous to some poor MDMA knock off with a much shorter half life.

You may want to consider phenylalanine (the precursor to PEA). You should not generally feel that you are going to "blackout". Phenylalanine works on the pain receptors in the brain, tends to improve mood and increase the release of dopamine.

[mk-ultra]

I've tried 2g+ of PEA with 5mg of deprenyl taken earlier in the day. It felt extremely intense for over an hour, but I didn't feel agitated, paranoid, edgy, tense, etc. In fact I was able to do anything extremely well, and wow what an effect on the sex drive.. I could sit and focus or I could do multiple things with intense motivation and a smile on my face the whole time. I've tried it a few times since and it was never a bad experience. I came across this combo accidentally because earlier on I was taking deprenyl daily to try to boost my motivation and sex drive, and then I incorporated 500mg PEA in the morning into my nootropic stack and instantly noticed something different, the waves of tingling sensations that would come shortly after taking the PEA (similar to a very high dose of beta alanine), even at that low dose while on deprenyl.

It's interesting how it can effect people differently. Deprenyl on it's own doesn't seem to have much benefit with me though when taken regularly or even along with l-dopa. But deprenyl + PEA work very positively with me, although I won't take it often at that high of a dose. I could handle it but it was extremely intense.

The paranoia in my particular case involved possibly being in contact with people and not knowing how you'd react. If you suffer from any kind of social anxiety you'd understand this better. There's no schizophrenia, just fear on how I'd be perceived if caught in a different state of mind.
Mind you, I don't experience this shame until much later when the effects are subsiding. When the effects are fully on, I feel so much clarity to the point of feeling I could possibly do no wrong on whatever decision I'd make. Now, depending on who you are, you'd see this as either delusion, or uncluttering of the mind.

If I could take the shame out of it, I could probably enjoy it a bit more.
However, I do feel this combo is addictive. I've tried it 3 times, each experience particularly intense for me.
I did 2g of PEA as well and almost felt like I could black out at some point if I didn't breathe deep enough (I had to actually lie flat in the floor for a minute). I initially started at half a dose 250mg, then upped it to 500mg, until I finally tried 500mg every hour or so. You don't want the high to end. Say what you will but this feels analogous to some poor MDMA knock off with a much shorter half life.

You may want to consider phenylalanine (the precursor to PEA). You should not generally feel that you are going to "blackout". Phenylalanine works on the pain receptors in the brain, tends to improve mood and increase the release of dopamine.

I felt like I could black out. Haven't ever experienced a blackout myself I couldn't really tell if was going to black out or not. The physical sensation approximated the description of what a blackout could feel like. It could've been psychosomatic and that was good enough for me it seems. Either way, I don't think you're in the proper frame of mind to over-analyze your thoughts or actions while on this stuff, you just react.

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Yeah, definitely be careful...you don't want to end up in the hospital. If you feel sick ever, make sure to stop 4 a few. But at doses that high, it's just a high...I don't think theres anything therapeutic about it. And how it affects the body at doses that high can create flu like symptoms, and can't be very healthy

Yeah it definitely was recreational at the time. I noticed how 500mg effected me while on deprenyl (accidentally) so I researched it more on here and read about how high doses can effect people, made me interested in trying it out (safely, I had phenibut on hand).

When I said I took 2g+ it was probably more like 4g because now that I think of it, I took another 2g after 45 minutes. Also, it was 10mg of deprenyl split 5 and 5 that day. I hadn't felt flu like symptoms, feelings of blacking out, or any negative effect though. But I know enough that something that intense shouldn't be done often, it was quite the experience though. The interesting thing was that I didn't experience any bad side effects or bad feelings while on it, even though I tend to suffer anxiety from time to time (not social anxiety though, maybe more like irritable anxiety? with tendancies to lose my cool while getting anxious and feeling impatient). Maybe I have A.D.D and taking this balanced me out while on it I don't know lol, but yeah the whole experience was definitely positive and I felt great. I would say with the combo/dosage I took, it was definitely more powerful but shorter lived than mdma, and felt cleaner with a nice come-down and no after effects that evening or the next day. Wouldn't recommend this for some people..or recommend doing it often (like was said before, can be addictive, and definitely not healthy).

Now I don't supplement with PEA anymore really - maybe once every few months or so, I take deprenyl only twice per week, maybe 5-10mg per week since it is a selective mao-b inhibitor and it's effects are long lasting. I may start up stablon again soon, and will stop taking deprenyl if I do. I have read from some users that stablon can cancel out deprenyl's effects. Either way, I didn't like the combo of deprenyl and stablon in the past, it didn't work well for me.

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I wonder how stablon and phenibut would do