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I know what I know, and I know it is true. If you ask me for proof, I can talk till you're blue. I have it all here, in print and in scrawl. It's a fact, not a theory-In fact it's a law! I know it's the truth, no matter how strange, Oh, by the way, it's all subject to change. C.C.Keiser 1/16/99 "Of philosophy I will say nothing, except that when I saw that it had been cultivated for many ages by the most distinguished men, and that yet there is not a single matter within its sphere which is not still in dispute, and nothing, therefore, which is above doubt, I did not presume to anticipate that my success would be greater in it than that of others; and further, when I considered the number of conflicting opinions touching a single matter that may be upheld by learned men, while there can be but one true, I reckoned as well-nigh false all that was only probable." Rene Descartes ( Discourse on Method :1637) Conclusions After years of searching for a Universal Philosophy and taking into account the beliefs of just about everyone, I have come to one conclusion: The Truth is what you believe it to be. That every truth is the truth; no matter what it is you believe. I started out asking why do people believe all the different things they do. I have spoken with uncounted many, on everything from ESP, Reincarnation, Spirits, God, The Devil, UFO's, and just about every other mystery of the universe. I examined many religions and read dozens of philosophies. Investigated Hypnosis and the Placebo Effect, Super String and M-Brane Theories, The Many Worlds theory, Voodoo and Witch Craft. All in a search for The Truth. What I have finally concluded is what I believe to be a new concept. I call it Poly-Solipsism. Poly-Solipsism 1: Every mind is a universe unto itself. 2: Every mind strives to create its own perfect universe. 3: The laws of that universe are solely governed by the perception of the mind. 4:These laws can be altered if the perception is altered. 5:"Reality" is generated from the combined perceptions of all entangled minds. All the things I believe are only the universe I perceive. This is my personal universe which I offer to combine with all the other perceptions. It is only one of the possible universes that exist. What you perceive as truth and reality can be, and probably is, different than what I perceive. That is your personal universe you offer to combine with all the others. It is also one of the possible universes that exist. Every mind has their own perception of what is truth and what is reality, and everyone of them exist as a possible Universe. There are religious minds that believe the Universe was created by a god. What they perceive is also a possible Universe that exists. There are Scientific minds who believe there is nothing more to our Universe than the matter and energy we see all around us. That is their perception of truth and reality. That is their personal universe they offer to combine with all the rest, and is one possible Universe that also exists. The Many Worlds theory contends there exists an alternate Universe for every choice anyone makes. In that alternate Universe you exist just as you are in this Universe, except sometime during your life you made a different choice and took a different road. Maybe you have made many different choices and traveled many different roads, but they all exist in parallel to each other and you exist in everyone of them, just slightly different in each. In the philosophy of Solipsism <http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/s/solipsis.htm> there is only one Universe, and it only exists in your mind. Your existence is the only thing you can be certain of. Everything else is only supposition and an illusion created by your own mind. You exist, but nothing else, and no one else really does. Quantum Physics, Superstring and M-Theory have a multi-dimensional quintessence of unseen energy warping our Universe into existence and manipulating the sub-atomic particles to create what we see today. With many of our worlds religious philosophies a God or Gods created everything, and granted humans a Free Will to chose for themselves. So who is right? Which truth is The Truth? They all are. All philosophies have their attractions, but of all of them Solipsism is the hardest to resist, and the most difficult to dispute. After all it is the essence of "I Think; therefore I am,"and anything after that is almost impossible to differentiate from pure illusion. I have no doubt we do have a free will and can choose for ourselves what it is we wish to be the truth.. If you believe in a Heaven and a Hell, than the heaven and hell you believe in will be your final destination. If you do not believe, than your final destination will be one of your own choosing. I believe your final outcome will be exactly what you believe it will be. That is the essence of what I have concluded to be The Truth. In the explanation that is to follow I use the term universe and mind/universe frequently. When Universe is spelled with a small ‘u' it is to denote a subset of what is our total UNIverse. A universe and mind/universe is what each of our minds constructs from the superstructure of our knowledge and our beliefs. I do this out of difference, as the understanding I have of UNIverse is the sum total of everything seen and unseen. So in this sense ‘universe' only denotes a finite perception that exists within, and is part of, the total sum of everything. I use the conventional spelling of Universe to denote only our perception of the finite physical part of reality; the conventional physical Universe we all share. Finally I use UNIverse with the upper case UNI to denote the infinite sum total of everything seen and unseen. The UNIverse in which all others exist. UNIverse is the Singularity. <http://www.geocities.com/cckeiser/Sing.html> Keeping these things in mind I will endeavor to explain Poly-Solipsism. As with the Many Worlds theory there are an untold number of other universes, and as with Solipsism every mind is a universe complete in itself. Whatever that mind believes to be the truth, is the truth for that universe. That is the Free Will of religious doctrine, to choose the truth you believe, to be the truth for your universe. Contrary to Solipsism which admits the existence of only one mind. Poly-Solipsism admits the existence of untold numbers of other minds all entangled together to create what we perceive to be Reality. With our ever increasing thirst for knowledge of the system we exist in, science is pushing the limits in examining the physical Universe, and is just about to venture into the metaphysical. Quantum physics is the study of the metaphysical. With Quantum Physics we venture into what lies behind the curtain of our reality, we enter into a world of quantum existence in 16 dimensions and where unseen forces shape our Universe and our reality. Everything that exists in our Universe is entangled with, and radiates from, the Quantum UNIverse. If everything in our Universe is entangled with and radiates from the Quantum Universe, it stands to reason our brain must also be entangled with and emanate from the Quantum Universe. Quantum links in the brain would mean our Id does not exist solely in the brain. Consciousness and self-awareness may exist in the quantum part of our Universe. With Quantum Theory science may now be discovering the domain of the spirit and soul. It could be our interesting inclination to view ourselves as observers rather than participants in the Universe that surprises us so when we find we are connected to, and part of everything. I do find it of interest, and consider it illuminating, how we view ourselves in relation to the rest of the Universe. We do consider ourselves as observers in the Universe rather than participating in the Universe. We are here. The Universe is...out there! Poly-Solipsism tells us why we view ourselves as separate from the rest of the Universe. We do so because we are separate. Each of our mind/universes exist independent of each other, and when we view the shared Universe, we do so through our own universe. The Placebo Effect. Self-healing through belief alone. Cures brought about, not by the mind or hands of a Psychic Healer, but by the mind of the patient. We call them miraculous, and contribute them to a greater power, when all the time it is our own minds that contain the power. Our minds not only have the power to heal our own bodies, but can manifest sunburn and blister through the power of suggestion alone. Through hypnosis we hand over the controls of our universe to another mind. We allow that mind to manipulate our reality, and what we believe to be true, becomes true. If we are told we are being burned, we develop blisters on our skin. What better proof do you need to affirm our minds control our reality. We create and reinforce our reality every second by self-hypnosis. Our ‘self-talk' continually tells us what is possible and what is not. We place limits on our own abilities with our self-talk, and influence the reality of others with negative conditioning; not only through our words and actions, but through our thoughts and beliefs. What we share and communicate with others becomes a part of their universe also. Not only can we limit our own abilities, but we can limit the abilities of everyone else with negative beliefs. Every thing we are exposed to from the moment we become aware is added to, and builds our universe. What we see and believe of our Universe is what we have been told to believe. The reason we are having so much trouble agreeing on much of anything is because we all do exist in a different universe. Every time we compare perceptions between ourselves and any other person we get a glimpse into another universe. Every philosophy ever written is just one persons description of what exists in their own universe, and may or may not have any relevance to what exists in another persons universe. It is different because what we perceive is different. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." "Art is a matter of personal taste." "Music is a matter of personal choice." All these things are different for everyone because they all appear differently in our different universes. The color green has an wavelength as do all the colors, and everyone looking at the color green receives that same wavelength. The photons striking the retina are the same for everyone, yet everyone sees that color differently. The way our minds process the incoming information is different for everyone, and the green I see is not the same green you see. None of the colors I see are the same you or anyone else sees. Have you ever wondered why some people find certain combinations of colors pleasing while to you they are garish? The reason is those colors look different in the other persons universe. We each have our own taste, and what taste or smells good to one person can be odious to another. Why is that? The taste and the smell of anything is based on the same chemical reactions. If something taste or smells good, it should taste and smell good to everyone. The reason it doesn't is because everything has a different taste and a different smell in a different universe. What makes up our universe? Each of our universes are composed by all the things we perceive, and if we all perceive everything differently we all exist in a different universe. Not only are colors, sounds, smells and taste different for each of us, everything else is also. Truth in one universe is different than the truth in another universe, even though we may be standing right next to another person, the universe we each exist in, is a different universe. In one universe ghost not only are possible, they appear frequently. In another universe they do not exist at all, and the person existing in that universe will not see one, even if they were standing right next to a person existing in the a universe where ghost do exist. In one universe ESP works, in another it does not. UFO's visit in one universe, but not in another. One universe was created by a God/s. In another universe there are no Gods. We argue and call each other "Nuts"or insane because what we know is true, is not the same as what they believe and know is true. We refuse to except the possibility there can be any other truth than the one we believe. When we do agree, it is because we have shared perceptions and combined our different universes together. When a person who never believed in ghosts suddenly sees one, it is because they have been influenced by the perceptions and the mind/universe of someone else. Their mind/universe in which ghosts did not exist was altered allowing spirits into their perceptions and into their mind/universe. You can try and deny it if you wish, but once exposed to the perception it is added to your total store of knowledge and becomes part of your universe. Every mind exists in its own universe, but what is part of one universe can become part of another universe. When we entangle in this reality we share our perceptions and describe what exists in our universe. When we do, we invite others to join their universe with ours so we all can see the same things. The difference between Poly-Solipsism and Solipsism is the recognition of the existence of other egos. Other than that small difference the tenets are pretty much the same, but that small difference makes all the difference in the Universe. It changes the Universe from one of pure illusion existing only in one mind, to a Universe of a collective reality where what is perceived is manifested by the shared perceptions of the uncounted many. With Poly-Solipsism we get a Universe of divergent realities amalgamating to produce an ever changing macrocosm of possible realities. It allows for conflicting and contradictory ‘truths' to exist in the same apparition of reality, leaving the ‘Ultimate Truth' as yet to be decided; if ever. Every mind is its own universe, and exists completely independent from all other minds. What exists as truth in anyone of these mind/universes is what that particular mind believes to be true, and what is true in one mind/universe may or may not be true in any other. But any truth can be altered or changed at any time by changing the perception of the mind. Everyone continuously changes their perceptions of reality, and their universe changes accordingly. Changes are introduced both internally by formulating new concepts and externally by entangling with other minds with different perceptions. It is this exchange of perceived truths between entangled minds that creates our Reality. What we see as Reality are the perceptions we share in common with other entangled minds. Those things we perceive as true take shape in every universe with the same perception. Our minds still exist independently of each other, but the entangled minds who share the same belief all perceive the same Reality. Since every mind contains a multitude of different perceptions and can be entangled simultaneously with many other minds each containing a non-shared perception. It is the perceptions we share in common that entangle, and one mind may be entangled with another mind with very little in common. In our contact with these different perceptions we have the opportunity to alter our own perceptions and entangle further, or reject them and restrict further entanglement. Either way what was learned from the other mind, even the rejected perceptions, are added to our total accumulation of knowledge and becomes part of our superstructure from which we weave our universe. Our senses are our main avenues of communication with other minds in this Reality, and everything we read, see, hear, smell, and touch is a perception and becomes a part of our mind/universe. Any addition, no matter how small, changes our universe. The change can have either a positive or negative influence, but with every change what we perceive as reality will also changes. A rejected perception, if repeated often enough can grow to become accepted through its accumulating influence on the mind. A perception introduced when a mind is still in its infancy and has not accumulated a large store of perceptions will have a greater influence and be more acceptable. A perception introduced to a mind with limited contact with other minds will have a greater influence. A perception introduced with the stimulation of multiple senses will have a greater impact and be more readily accepted. When an idea or perception is introduced accompanied by a combination of colors, soothing sounds and pleasant smells they will be more readily accepted. Any idea or perception, once it is introduced, is added to the mind/universe and will change that universe. It does not matter if the perception is accepted or rejected, it is still added to the mind/universe. Anything that is added to the mind will have an influence on that mind. Any influence changes the perceptions, and therefore changes the mind/universe. The concept of Poly-Solipsism maintains that we, and the whole universe we perceive, exist in our own mind. Everyone of us exist in our own universe, and each of those universes are different than any other. Any answer I, or anyone else, can give to your questions are only what is perceive in our own personal universe. The only truth we cannot escape is we exist. After that, everything else is philosophy. Right now our minds are entangled together and we share a perception of a physical Universe, but that perception is totally in our own mind. Most of it was inserted there by others we had contact with in our existence, but we build on these and add our own as we decide what it is we wish to believe. While we are entangled we all share our perceptions and we can change our universe by adding new concepts and beliefs. But once we disentangle we will exist totally in our own mind and totally in our own universe isolated from any other mind or concept. When we disentangle what we believe, and what we used to build our universe, is what will exist in our universe. It will be populated with exactly what you wish it to be populated with. If you believe there is a God and you will be judged, then that is what you will find. You will create your own Heaven and your own Hell, and you will judge yourself. No matter how hard you try to hide, you cannot hide from your own mind, and you will decide your on fate. What makes up our illusion of a physical Universe is gathered from our entanglement and our shared perceptions. We build our mind and our personal universe from this entanglement by choosing from among them those concepts we wish to believe. The only Universal Truth is we exist. All else is Philosophy! Why we are here, why there is a Universe, and what The Ultimate Truth will be is what we are all still working on. Everyone of us will have a different answer to how and a different reason for why. I could fill page after page with my own, but that is not the purpose of this essay. I set out to find how our reality is created and why everyone firmly believes so many and sometimes contradictory things. I set out to find the basic Truth behind all truths. I have found that answer. We are The Singularity. <http://www.geocities.com/cckeiser/Sing.html> There are no answers. There are only choices. My e-mail C.C.Keiser < mailto:keiser@nni.com?> Last update: June 9, 2004 |
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Jun 12, 2004, 05:19 PM
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Brilliant post, Chuck, but there's a lot of info not here I'm curious about: When did you reach these conclusions? Give us some background, some context, for your post. What is your background? How long have you held the convictions posted above? |
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Jun 12, 2004, 06:33 PM
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Thank you Chuck. It's interesting to contemplate as much of the process as possible, and to understand things in as broad a context as possible. I'm glad to know something about you, to provide a context for your thoughts.
You'd like to reach as many people as you can? To hasten the existential process we are all caught in to its conclusion? The question you have is how to do that? Or are you just letting the process play itself out? |
| Dan |
Jun 13, 2004, 01:39 PM
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I have some questions for you, cc
this is what I'm getting so far universe - 'subjective' space, characterized by perception Universe - 'objective' space, characterized by 'physical structure' that is interactively connected to individual 'universe(s)' UNIverse - the set of all that exists so, a 'universe' is kind of like a 'soul', while the 'Universe' is kind of like the 'playground' where 'universes' are informed of its structure and thus 'perceive' it. A particular 'universe' can interact with the 'Universe', thus affecting its structure. If the structure of the 'Universe' is affected, all 'universes' interacting with that element of the 'Universe' perceive the change in their own ways. I'll stop here and await your critique |
| cckeiser |
Jun 13, 2004, 04:34 PM
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Fairy Dust The mind is but the playground of the soul. It will build a castle from fairy dust, and pave its roads with gold. On a whim it will tear them down, and grind them under toe. Perhaps to build of firmer stuff if the heart will tell it so. With time and luck it learns new ways, and leaves the child behind. But fairy dust and roads of gold are always on its mind. C.C.Keiser Thank you Dan! Yes, that is pretty much it. UNIverse is The Singularity. But please be careful with "kind of like," once we begin to perceive something as ‘kind of like' something else, we begin to think the ‘something else' is the ‘something.' Analogies can get us into trouble when we begin to think the ‘thing' behaves just like the analogy. Analogies can turn ‘something' into something it is not. ‘universe' is pure subjective space, but just as each segment of a hologram contains the whole image, each universe also contains the whole image of Universe. The information for Universe is holographically embedded in every universe. |
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Jun 13, 2004, 05:23 PM
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‘We have an abundance of philosophy professors but no philosophers.' Thoreau
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Jun 13, 2004, 06:04 PM
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let's forget the 'soul' analogy, then. I will take as an axiom that the defining property of 'universe' is subjective space. I must also assume that information/influence can be transferred between this space and the 'Universe' which I am presently equating with 'physical' space. 'Physical' space, to me, is a matter of the logical structure of the UNIverse in terms of its elements and their interactions, and how this structure is projected in a 'universe' is a reflection of the 'Universe' in subjective terms.
What I am gathering is that you define 'truth' as relative because you are equating 'truth' as a subjective experience. The subjective interpretation of the 'Universe' is not isomorphic to it, thus the possibility of different interpretations exists and consequently, different 'truths'. My question then is, can I say that the 'Universe structure' is its own kind of 'truth' regardless of interpretation? Basically, can the 'Universe' posess properties other than how it is projected in a 'universe'? Also, can you describe how a 'universe' is connected to the 'Universe/UNIverse'? I would say that at present, scientific thinking identifies the neurological system as the complete physical element of this nexus. I would also say that it may also be true (simply because it is physically reasonable and not yet disproven) that there may exist more 'hidden' physical structure involved (i.e., more 'dimensions'). |
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Jun 14, 2004, 06:43 PM
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Greetings Dan "I must also assume that information/influence can be transferred between this space and the 'Universe' which I am presently equating with 'physical' space.' "...can I say that the 'Universe structure' is its own kind of 'truth' regardless of interpretation? Basically, can the structure of the 'Universe' possess properties other than how it is projected in a 'universe'?" That is the difference in our perceptions, I do not see Universe as having an independent existence in and of itself. Universe is both ‘project into' and from universe. Universe is a shared illusion, and therefore everything we perceive as being ‘in Universe' is also an illusion. The Mind is not in the Universe, the Universe is in the Mind. The information that creates Universe is holographically transmitted from each entangled universe. "Physical' space, to me, is a matter of the logical structure of the UNIverse in terms of its elements and their interactions, and how this structure is projected in a 'universe' is a reflection of the 'Universe' in subjective terms." I do not see UNIverse that way. UNIverse is The Singularity. The Singularity is Infinite and Unbound. I perceive the ‘essence' of The Singularity to be Mind/Consciousness. The Singularity is pure ‘Thought' energy, there is nothing physical about it. We perceive Universe as occupying a physical space, but it is an illusion, there really is no physical space. It's all ‘Virtual Reality.' "Also, can you describe how a 'universe' is connected to the 'Universe/UNIverse'?" We are UNIverse/The Singularity, Universe is a shared illusion constructed from the combined perceptions of all entangled universes. Entanglement keeps the illusion persistent, but at the same time constantly changing. "I would say that at present, scientific thinking identifies the neurological system as the complete physical element of this nexus. I would also say that it may also be true (simply because it is physically reasonable and cannot be disproved) that there may exist more 'hidden' physical structure involved." Sorry Dan, I read this over several times, but I am not positive what you intended here. I do not wish to assume I understand what you mean here, and then confuse things further with my reply, so if you don't mind, can you elaborate a bit more? |
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Jun 14, 2004, 10:03 PM
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greetings, cc
if Universe is shared, then it is a constant across all universes? is universe 'Mind'? if not, what is 'Mind' in terms of universe/Universe/UNIverse?
in terms of set terminology, how do universe, Universe and UNIverse relate to each other? From the way you describe it, I'm getting that the UNIverse is 'the set of all that is' but also having no internal structure (thus it is a 'singularity'). I'm also getting that a property of Universe is structured by virtue of our perception of structure which we call the Universe.
If I had read this before I wrote all that other stuff, I might have saved some of my comments. The logical structure I am seeing from reading your words is as follows: the UNIverse is the whole shebang, and is best though of as containing no internal structure (thus it is called a 'singularity'). The universe is a bubble of perception (a 'being'?), many universes exist (many 'beings'), and what universes perceive is a projection referred to as the Universe that is both shared (allowing for causal interaction between universes) and may be viewed uniquely in any particular universe (allowing for each universe to make true statements of it that are inconsistent with true statements that other universes make of it).
I'm assuming that in your universe, you identify a particular object in the Universe as your 'body'. I'm also assuming that in your universe, a particular element of this 'body' might fit the profile of what what is called the 'neurological system'. Simply put, it is such an object in the Universe which is commonly seen as the source of interaction of Mind with the structure of the Universe. Ordinary proof of this assertion rests on the common observation that the subjective phenomenon of intentionality manifests primarily via the neurological structure, which controlls the body which interacts with non-body objects in the Universe and vice-versa (the reverse flow of information, thus informing the 'subject' of the Universe). My additional speculation involves the possibility that there may be hidden (meaning not yet observed by orthodox scientific methods) Universe 'dimensions' containing structures which are connected to the neurological system, with the complex as a whole being some kind of a 'hyperbrain'. Then one could speculate that, if such a 'hyperbrain' exists, there may be hidden connectivity between universes such that they may interact in ways that are not 'visible' to orthodox scienctific methods. |
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| cckeiser |
Jun 15, 2004, 07:14 PM
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"in terms of set terminology, how do universe, Universe and UNIverse relate to each other? From the way you describe it, I'm getting that the UNIverse is 'the set of all that is' but also having no internal structure (thus it is a 'singularity'). I'm also getting that a property of Universe is structured by virtue of our perception of structure which we call the Universe."
"if Universe is shared, then it is a constant across all universes? is universe 'Mind'? if not, what is 'Mind' in terms of universe/Universe/UNIverse?" No, it is ‘persistent' but never ‘constant.' Nothing in Universe is "constant." The only thing constant about Universe is absolutely everything in Universe is ‘constantly' changing. Mind is UNIverse/Singularity. ‘universe' is embedded in mind. I visualize it this way; think of those ‘static light lamps' where there is a plasma source in the center which emits a static filament of light when anything comes near it. A mind with no accumulated information sits in the plasma center, but emits no filaments of light. As the mind accumulates information/knowledge it begins to build filaments; the more information, the more filaments of light it will emit. Each filament is the superstructure of a particular belief/perception. The stronger the belief, the stronger the filament. Any information that pertains to that belief/perception is added to that filament. Perceptions that enforce that belief enhance the filament, any perceptions that are counter to that belief detract from/lessen that filament. The image of universe if woven from the sum of these filaments. The image of Universe is woven from the sum of entangled universes. Reality is Fractal Geometry in four dimensions, it is chaotic dynamics continuously recalculated. In every step of the fractal equation a new Mandelbrot set of equations are introduced from the feed back loop, changing the next Julia Set. It is a continuos feed back loop. What we perceive of reality changes reality, and as reality changes, it changes what we perceive. "If I had read this before I wrote all that other stuff, I might have saved some of my comments. The logical structure I am seeing from reading your words is as follows: the UNIverse is the whole shebang, and is best though of as containing no internal structure (thus it is called a 'singularity'). The universe is a bubble of perception (a 'being'?), many universes exist (many 'beings'), and what universes perceive is a projection referred to as the Universe that is both shared (allowing for causal interaction between universes) and may be viewed uniquely in any particular universe (allowing for each universe to make true statements of it that are inconsistent with true statements that other universes make of it)." YES!! Excellent! ‘O) |
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Jun 15, 2004, 07:44 PM
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"I'm assuming that in your universe, you identify a particular object in the Universe as your 'body'. I'm also assuming that in your universe, a particular element of this 'body' might fit the profile of what is called the 'neurological system'. Simply put, it is such an object in the Universe which is commonly seen as the source of interaction of Mind with the structure of the Universe. Ordinary proof of this assertion rests on the common observation that the subjective phenomenon of intentionality manifests primarily via the neurological structure, which controls the body which interacts with non-body objects in the Universe and vice-versa (the reverse flow of information, thus informing the 'subject' of the Universe)."
"My additional speculation involves the possibility that there may be hidden (meaning not yet observed by orthodox scientific methods) Universe 'dimensions' containing structures which are connected to the neurological system, with the complex as a whole being some kind of a 'hyperbrain'. Then one could speculate that, if such a 'hyperbrain' exists, there may be hidden connectivity between universes such that they may interact in ways that are not 'visible' to orthodox scientific methods." These subjects are "in Universe," and subject to perceptions. I too have my own personal universe ( pu for short! ‘O), but I labor to keep my pu separate from the concept of Poly-Solipsism. I am not always successful, and in this case I will once again fail to do so! Yes, I agree with these perceptions, and have written pretty much the same thing in my previous philosophy. That philosophy was pure personal universe, which I claim can be said for all ‘Philosophies'! Every philosophy ever written is just one persons view from their own personal universe. |
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Jun 16, 2004, 09:40 AM
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I'm sorry, I wasn't referring to a temporal constancy of the Universe but rather that the Universe must be internally logically consistent at any moment if it is to represent causal interactivity between universes.
in set terminology, the labels UNIverse, Singularity and Mind are equivalent. Thus, these terms may be used interchangeably. And, 'universe' is a subset of mind.
How is information stored in the mind? Is there structure which embodies this information?
since filaments are discrete structures, I must assume that 'information' comes in discrete amounts due to the simple 'more/more' correspondence between information and filaments. And I further assume that these 'filament' structures correspond to the projection of said information into perception (thus forming a 'universe'). If the projection of this information is a 'superstructure', then the information itself must be a 'structure'. I assume that this structure, since it does not exist in a 'universe' by definition, must be outside of this domain yet still be contained in Mind. Thus, the domain of Singularity excluding 'universe' possesses an internal structure characterized by the property 'information'.
So particular nodes of information (which are projected as individual perceptions) possess a property of durability which is a function of 'belief'.
so, information can be combined before projection thus allowing multiple quanta of information to manifest as a single projection into perception. thus, the statement 'more information, more filaments' is not necessarily true since we can have 'more information combining into a pre-existing filament'.
so, belief and perception are not equivalent because perceptions can act on beliefs. Beliefs, then, must be a sort of 'source' property, quantitatively controlling projections (in terms of durability? or intensity?). Clearly there exists an implied feedback loop here, perhaps this is a property of 'intelligence'?
'universe' is a gestalt of perceptions, some sort of singular observation formed of discrete perceptual elements.
'entangled' is just a fancy word for 'connected', usually implying a complex sort of connectivity. You are saying that these 'universes' are connected, allowing for the causal interaction of perceptions that are in different 'universe' domains. What are the pathways of this connectivity? Is it merely 'virtual' at the level of the 'universe', implying that it is 'real' at the level of Mind (source)? I'm guessing the latter, since perceptions are projected from Mind. Thus, what appears as non-local connectivity at the level of 'universe' is really just a matter of the internal logic of information in Mind.
in modern lingo, you can say that reality is a complex system. I believe some nutcase named Stephen Wolfram wrote a gigantic bible on emergence of complex patterns and behaviours from a system of simple interacting cellular automata. It basically means that, given an initial set of loci in a defined space which can interact in pre-determined ways, incredibly complex behaviours and patterns can emerge given enough 'interaction' time.
so, basically, it's all a big iteration. Information is projected, the gestalt effect of all elemental projections acts as a source of new information, and this new information re-arranges existing information in Mind thus resulting in an 'updated' projection. I have a quick question. Is the 'perceiver' Mind? In other words, who is 'perceiving' if not Mind? |
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| cckeiser |
Jun 16, 2004, 06:30 PM
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Damn, for some unknown reason, I am no longer getting e-mail notifications for new replies to topics I have subscribed to. I must now resort to searching the board, and I'm not sure I remember all the topics I posted to anymore.
Sorry if I missed any questions, but if you have been waiting for a reply from me and I have not responded, please e-mail them to me. I will try to answer as many as I can in a timely manner. Thanks for your understanding Chuck I did get yours Dan from the Poly-Solipsism topic, and I am working a reply, but it doesn't look like you need much from me anymore. It looks like you have a good grasp of my concept. Thank You! ‘O) |
| Dan |
Jun 16, 2004, 07:33 PM
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that's probably a good thing in my case, as I usually update my posts a few times before I am satisfied with them. Anyway, no worries on this end about any delay in response.
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| cckeiser |
Jun 17, 2004, 01:25 PM
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No, it is ‘persistent' but never ‘constant.' Nothing in Universe is "constant." The only thing constant about Universe is absolutely everything in Universe is ‘constantly' changing. I'm sorry, I wasn't referring to a temporal constancy of the Universe but rather that the Universe must be internally logically consistent at any moment if it is to represent causal interactivity between universes. Ok, in that case, basically yes, or pretty much so, but not totally. I can only speak from my own universe. I have no idea what someone else may be perceiving! I can assume everyone else is perceiving what I am, but I cannot prove it without a doubt. Because of the independent nature of mind, even an entangled mind, most basic ‘physical' information will be consistent, but open to interpretation. I'm thinking of people who see ghosts. Many people claim to see them, while others claim not to, even if standing next to the person who does. The information is not statically embedded, but open to mutation. Other wise there would be no inconsistencies. QUOTE Mind is UNIverse/Singularity. ‘universe' is embedded in mind. in set terminology, the labels UNIverse, Singularity and Mind are equivalent. Thus, these terms may be used interchangeably. And, 'universe' is a subset of mind. Correct, and I do interchange them sometimes, but since the original writing, I am leaning more to the term "The Singularity." In fact in the rewrite of Poly-Solipsism I am removing the term "UNIverse"completely, as it seems to be a source of confusion. I like UNI-verse though, UNI= one, verse=song. It's the poet in me! ‘O) QUOTE A mind with no accumulated information sits in the plasma center, but emits no filaments of light. How is information stored in the mind? Is there structure which embodies this information? Damn, I knew is was a mistake to use an analogy! First, please understand, I was using the ‘static light lamp' as an analogy, it was only a tool used for imaging, so please do not confuse the analogy with mind, and limit the mind to the limits of the analogy. I believe it is stored as ‘memories.' Do ‘Thoughts'/Memories have structure? It would not be any kind of physical structure, but perhaps a "Dark Energy" type that could generate an image. Good question! I will have to think on that some more! Perhaps we can start a new topic titled "The Structure of Thought"! QUOTE As the mind accumulates information/knowledge it begins to build filaments; the more information, the more filaments of light it will emit. Each filament is the superstructure of a particular belief/perception. since filaments are discrete structures, I must assume that 'information' comes in discrete amounts due to the simple 'more/more' correspondence between information and filaments. And I further assume that these 'filament' structures correspond to the projection of said information into perception (thus forming a 'universe'). If the projection of this information is a 'superstructure', then the information itself must be a 'structure'. I assume that this structure, since it does not exist in a 'universe' by definition, must be outside of this domain yet still be contained in Mind. Thus, the domain of Singularity excluding 'universe' possesses an internal structure characterized by the property 'information'. Remember, it was only an analogy, not a statement of ‘fact.' When using an analogy we are saying "It is kind of like." The problem is, since what we are discussing does not exist within Universe, there really is nothing ‘in Universe' that is appropriate. We are reduced to saying "Well, it's kind of like, but not exactly." How can we draw an analogy with something that exists within Universe to something that is Infinite and Unbound? There is nothing that is worthy of it. We are "Flat Landers" trying to describe a Fifth Dimension! All is just ‘Thought,' and stored as memories. What ‘structure' there is to Thought and Memories I am not sure yet, but it would seem they must have a ‘force' quality to them in order to be projected and entangle. QUOTE The stronger the belief, the stronger the filament. So particular nodes of information (which are projected as individual perceptions) possess a property of durability which is a function of 'belief'. Yes, this is a good way of thinking about it, whatever that ‘property of durability' may be. As you can see, I am trying hard to avoid associating ‘physical'( within Universe), terms to the concept. Using terms like property, structure, durability and even to a degree ‘filaments,' can mislead us into thinking we can adequately describe the Mind/ Singularity with terms that only exist within Universe. I know we can comprehend them, I just do not believe we can adequately describe them. QUOTE Any information that pertains to that belief/perception is added to that filament. so, information can be combined before projection thus allowing multiple quanta of information to manifest as a single projection into perception. thus, the statement 'more information, more filaments' is not necessarily true since we can have 'more information combining into a pre-existing filament'. Yes, but no universe is composed of a single perception. There are perceptions not only of ‘physical' properties of Universe, but also of non-physical properties, and also perceptions of "Self." Each of these perceptions would be hypothetically located on a different filament. Of course we could also say there is but one filament to each mind, and all information is combined in different places on that one filament. Sort of like a "SuperString" analogy. QUOTE Perceptions that enforce that belief enhance the filament, any perceptions that are counter to that belief detract from/lessen that filament. so, belief and perception are not equivalent because perceptions can act on beliefs. Beliefs, then, must be a sort of 'source' property, quantitatively controlling projections (in terms of durability? or intensity?). Clearly there exists an implied feedback loop here, perhaps this is a property of 'intelligence'? Yes, and beliefs can ‘act on' perceptions. "Clearly there exists an implied feedback loop here, perhaps this is a property of 'intelligence'?" Absolutely! QUOTE The image of universe is woven from the sum of these filaments. 'universe' is a gestalt of perceptions, some sort of singular observation formed of discrete perceptual elements. You said it better than I have. I'm going to steal this from you and use it in the rewrite!! ‘O) QUOTE The image of Universe is woven from the sum of entangled universes. 'entangled' is just a fancy word for 'connected', usually implying a complex sort of connectivity. You are saying that these 'universes' are connected, allowing for the causal interaction of perceptions that are in different 'universe' domains. What are the pathways of this connectivity? Is it merely 'virtual' at the level of the 'universe', implying that it is 'real' at the level of Mind (source)? I'm guessing the latter, since perceptions are projected from Mind. Thus, what appears as non-local connectivity at the level of 'universe' is really just a matter of the internal logic of information in Mind. ‘Entanglement' is much more than a simple ‘connection.' I am using entanglement in the same sense of the word, as in the famous ‘Entangled Cesium atoms.' In effect, once entangled, one entangled pair reacts as if it were the ‘flip side' of the other. It doesn't matter how distant they appear to be in ‘physical space,' what happens to one of the paired set instantaneously happens to the other. The effect is instantaneous, ‘FTL' no matter the distance. "Entangled cesium atoms" is on the web if you care to look it up for a more in-depth explanation. This is very important to Poly-Solipsism. It allows all of us to witness the same event at the very same time. It also allows the same event ‘in Universe' to appear to happen in all entangled universes, even those who do not directly witness the event. I think that is the ‘consistency' you were looking for earlier. Entanglement allows everyone who sees "The Falling Tree" to perceive the fall, and hear the sound, at the same instant, but it also allows that same event to happen in all entangled universes at the same time, even a person that may appear to be on the other side of the world at the that moment. Because of entanglement anyone who was not a witness to the event can go into the woods and see the same tree has fallen. Even though they were not personally a witness to the event, and are not consciously aware of the event, the information was added to their universe. The whole image of Universe is holographically projected into all entangled universes simultaneously, but as we are all very well aware, the projection is not always perfect. Transcription errors do occur, perceptions and beliefs can mutate the information. "We all believe the truth we perceive, but we only perceive the truth we believe.' is very true. QUOTE Reality is Fractal Geometry in four dimensions, it is chaotic dynamics continuously recalculated. In every step of the fractal equation a new Mandelbrot set of equations are introduced from the feed back loop, changing the next Julia Set. It is a continuos feed back loop. in modern lingo, you can say that reality is a complex system. I believe some nutcase named Stephen Wolfram wrote a gigantic bible on emergence of complex patterns and behaviors from a system of simple interacting cellular automata. It basically means that, given an initial set of loci in a defined space which can interact in pre-determined ways, incredibly complex behaviors and patterns can emerge given enough 'interaction' time. QUOTE What we perceive of reality changes reality, and as reality changes, it changes what we perceive. so, basically, it's all a big iteration. Information is projected, the gestalt effect of all elemental projections acts as a source of new information, and this new information re-arranges existing information in Mind thus resulting in an 'updated' projection. You got it!! Does this mean you are now a "Nutcase" too!? ‘o) I have a quick question. Is the 'perceiver' Mind? In other words, who is 'perceiving' if not Mind? It may seem like a ‘quick question, but there is no ‘quick' answer. Yes, the perceiver is Mind. But then we must ask what is "Mind"? As you know I maintain the Mind, UNIverse, and The Singularity are one and the same thing. "We are The Singularity!" If this is so, how can there be independent minds each capable of independent thought, perceptions, and beliefs. I wish I had a better way of explaining my comprehension to you, but at this time I do not. I'm still working on it, but may have to invent a whole new dictionary to do so. The problem as I see it, is we envision The Singularity as an ‘object' composed of ‘parts' as we would all other ‘things' that exist in Universe. That is the way we try to understand things, by drawing analogies to the things we already understand. We cannot accomplish this with The Singularity. The Singularity is Infinite/Unbound, it has no corollaries within Universe that we can conceptualize. There is only one Singularity, it is not an object. Infinite and Unbound are not a separate quantities, they are a Quality. Since there can be but one Singularity; one Quality of Infinite/Unbound, Mind/Consciousness is the same Infinite/Unbound Quality. We, our minds, are not ‘a part of' The Singularity, we are not ‘in' The Singularity, we as a collective whole, are The Singularity. We are intrinsic to the Quality of The Singularity. The Singularity is not an object that is the ‘sum total' of its parts; it has no ‘parts.' The Singularity is pure Infinite/Unbound Thought Energy. |
| Dan |
Jun 18, 2004, 11:27 AM
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I'm glad we seem to be converging onto a consensus, cc.
so while there is a causal connection between universes, each universe carries a unique perspective of this connectivity. Thus, I could live in a universe where the sky is green and clouds rain candycorn while in yours the sky is blue and clouds rain drops of water. However, as the connectivity tends to yield simultaneous meaningful events, when it rains candycorn in my universe in your universe water drops would be falling. Thus, we could agree that it is 'raining' although neither of us would recognize the 'rain' of the other's universe as such.
In my style of generalization, any structure (be it ordinary 'physical' structure or a 'hidden') can be generalized as 'physical'. Maybe we can divide the idea of structure into two classes: explicit and implicit. Explicit structure would be my 'physical', while implicit structure would best be described as 'meaning'. It then seems that 'information' can be both explicit (embodied in objects and their relations) and implicit (embodied by meaning) thus the original 'blank' (object-less) state of Mind may implicitly embody information by virtue of the existence of meaning in such a state.
the logic of your description suggests that a 'belief' defines a quality of 'strength' for projecting a perception. The question then is, what are the properties of 'strength' in terms of your system? Do they include intensity of projection, influence on other projections, and resistance of the projection to discontinuation?
in my interpretation of your system, all perceptions result from projections and projections are logically equivalent to 'explicit' structure. Thus, all perceptions have a 'physical' structural analogue.
this really does not change the logic. If we say 'many individual filaments' or 'a single filament with many individual 'places'' we are essentially talking about multiple distinct pathways whereby information is projected into perceptions.
upon rereading this statement, I decided to rewrite it as "Clearly there exists an implied feedback loop, perhaps this is the process of 'intelligence'.
I would say that quantum entanglement is a specific kind of connectivity. An important property of this connectivity is non-locality; i.e., that the connective nexus cannot be located in any field. I'm guessing that you use the 'entanglement' analogy because of this property.
this seems to imply a logically consistent and, more importantly, meaningful connectivity between universes. Thus, the connectivity correlates structurally identical events in both universes (a fallen tree) rather than structurally disjoint events like an exploding apple to a picture of Homer Simpson's butt (which would render the connectivity essentially meaningless).
I'm afraid this is an irrational explanation that really does not logically explain the problem of the simultanaity of one mind/many minds. Since there is really no logical way to show that One Mind is commensurable with many minds in your framework, one must simply project the need for such commensurability into the lock-box of faith and hope that all is well. |
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