Which Singularity would that be? Options

[Unknown]

is that a vanity picture of you posted above, Red Dragon?

[Robert the Bruce]

I sometimes describe it just that way - however the paradigm or public perception does influence many lesser lights who never strive to be all they truly are.

[cckeiser]

"I do not suffer from Insanity. I savor every minute of it!"
Author Unknown

I do not know who first said this, but I sure wish I had! It has become my Manta!

Insanity is just thinking differently than the norm Creativity is just a mild form of dementia. The creative mind perceives reality differently than most, it can form connections the ‘sane' are incapable of perceiving.
Insanity is our Muse which allows the mind to perceive what does not exist. It commands the artist to weave from the ‘Holecloth' of his mind and bring into this Universe that which was not here.

If this be Insanity, please do not save me. I would rather die Insane than never to have an original thought. Insanity is its own reward, it save us from the curse of a pedestrian mind.


When confronted by contradictions between what we believe and what others believe we ‘shut down' and go into denial. If it is not what you believe, then it's ‘nonsense,' and those who believe such ‘nonsense' must be "Crackpots" and "Nut Cases"!
It is extremely difficult to admit to yourself that something you hold sacrosanct may be just an illusion.
The use of " Nut Case" and "Crackpot" is the entrenched establishments main defense against any attempt to offer a reality counter to the accepted standard.
Crackpots have a long and noble history in science. First they are ostracized and demonized, then they are idolized!

[Robert the Bruce]

Yes, and your last comment sounds just like Kuhn.

[Unknown]

I agree with cckeiser's remarks wholeheartedly.

However, there is a difference between institutionalized insane individuals and those who are able to adapt to society and use their "creativity" in the best manner possible. Maybe you could say that the institutionalized neurotic is one who has been unsuccessful at "integrating" sufficiently into society, whereas the world-heralded genius is the neurotic who has successfully employed his neuroticism and has been successful at sufficiently integrating into society (or at least giving the appearance of such).

When I look at individuals in society, I see largely 3 types:

1) your average herd cattle who obeys society's laws and seeks an average life. These cattle are entirely uncreative and are mere pawns in the game of life.

2) the unsuccessful creative individual who does not obey laws and seeks much greater than an average life, but because of weakness of mind and lack of proficiencies and other talents (including lack of strong will), they do not amount to what they desire in life. These are the ones who sometimes get institutionized as insane, no doubt because of the delusions they weave in order to somewhat placate their psychological needs and because they have been unsuccessful at transforming reality (which includes society's perceived reality) by means of their psyche, again no doubt due to weakness of mind, will, and proficiency.

3) the successful creative individual who is successful at transforming reality by means of their psyche due to their strength of mind, will, and proficiency.


No doubt, on further reflection, there are additional categories we could add to the above list for the purposes of classifying individuals, but it's a start. There is a psychologist, who's name I don't recall at the moment, who also suggested a fundamental division of society into creative artists versus herd cattle, though of course, such notions have been around for a long time.

[Unknown]

continuing with this topic of insanity, I see perhaps a more fundamental way of looking at things:

Let us consider two factors: 1) will, and 2) associations.

By will, I understand that which essentially forces us to act, but will is not just limited to explicit actions that other people can see, but it also underlies thought actions (which give rise to various thought processes and their degree of development along their respective chains of thought).

By associations, I understand a conceptual associational matrix. That is, if the idea of a brick enters my mind, the uncreative individual will probably associate it with a brick house or building, whereas the more creative one will associate a brick with a door prop or some other idea that's typically not associated with bricks.

Now, the creative individual will be able to make a larger amound of unusual associations. Whether these unusual associations are successful or not is a completely different matter. The uncreative individual will make typical boring associations; no surprise there. The individual defined by 2) above will be able to make unusual associations, but lacks the will to successfully bring the useful to being while at the same time inhibiting the bringing to being of unusual associations that are not useful. Whereas, the individual defined by 3) above is able to make unusual associations and has the will to successfully bring the useful ones to being which inhibiting the bringing to being of the unsuccessful associations.

Hence, our classification of individuals of society into 3 classes in the last post really comes down to 2 factors, will and association.

Of course, this is a simplification because there are other factors I've left out, like thought processing speed, multitasking ability, ability to perceive novel Gestalts, and the like, but it's perhaps a useful scheme nonetheless.

[Robert the Bruce]

Howard Gardner is doing great work on learning styles including creative/spatial and seven others. I believe we all have some elements of each that can be enhanced and that is why certain neuroscience studies show that early in life is the best time to learn languages and the Kelts taught mime, music and rhetoric as the introduction to wisdom. Thus we are varying stages of these eight or more fundamental brain types. But, the educational approaches designed to make workers perform the INdustrial Age 'slaving' and timeclock punching rather than farming and the like has focused on pure linear/logical processing.

This testing industry called teaching is a real problem in the war on the soul or abortion thereof. You mention WILL. This is part of the three magian laws and specifically the one that is now replaceable (By me, but necessitated by the mystics who knew atomic science would open Pandora's Box) by a saying attributed to Jesus. This new law that becomes more relevant includes some of the old law is 'Be Still, and Know, that 'I am' (YHVH)'. The old law is Scrire, Potere, Audere, Tacere or Know, Will, Dare, Keep Silent.

INTENT is to be inclusive of all potential perspectives or sephirah on the TREE of LIFE/Yggrasil. These each may take a lifetime of study to grasp. INTENT therefore leads from a principle or come from a law which I consider the first law - RIGHT THOUGHT = RIGHT ACTION.

[Red Dragon]

[Robert the Bruce]

Excellent analysis!

[kmadhava]

I feel the world is changing very rapidly and there is a spiritual awakening taking place.I feel consciousness is only one and awareness of an independent self is not the reality.All human beings are part of the web and influence each other.If we have positive feelings for all the brothers and sisters of the worlld which in fact we are we will in turn be treated like that.
each thought is a vibration which can effect people nearby and far off also.If a critical mass of humans like 1% of the human population think at an appointed time say for example at 9 p.m everyday that all humans are developing love, devotion and faith in the DIVINE(the universal force which sustains us and which is interested in our happiness)then singularity can be hastened and humans in general can beliberated from voilence, greed,fear and insecurity.

[Robert the Bruce]

And Princeton University has a Random Generator and tracking device to show the impact of thought does fit what you say but your use of the term critical mass here is not perfect. Critical Mass will happen when enough people (I say 14%) become committed to a new paradigm based on spirituality - I say 2012 is the year this will happen because the Mayans have been quite accurate.

However, as you see here - there is much confusion and there are those who are committed to the old paradigm that denies spiruality and the soul that is infact building a World Mind or Animus Mundi. When I lived in Lost Wages I had personalized plates that said ANIMUND. That was a decade ago and you can be sure I have been there in more ways than mere syncophantic teachers and pablum providers might do.

[JASPER666]

mmmm...like your name btw Red, but I be purple bones, and your twang be little oars flaoted by smallerer than the either ors to this foats proffering: God doesn't exist?
I do: nut I be one not of one, nor not all: but I be only, not your I's full: suicidal nihilist be this name: beware my friends as a Jew I flame?

These gentlemen have honour for truth, no matter whoms, not hit and run oaths nor cowards roof!
Sorry Bob: but I like this argument here far too much...please continue it????

Love Jasper

[flowerfairy]

i think that we can alter our percptions in the sense that we can alter ourselves to some extent, but it is impossible to alter our influences after they happen. our reality is made up of the relationship between our influences and our perceptions, so i guess we can only alter reality as much as we can alter ourselves, which varries from person to person, but we can't alter reality completely because we can't alter our influences at all...