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Jun 04, 2004, 07:46 PM

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from the http://Donmeh-West.com site:

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The goal of participating in the Continuing Incarnation of God (as C. G. Jung described it in his magnum opus, Answer to Job, and we of Donmeh West teach and practice it in our "Yalhakian" Neo-Sabbatian Kabbalah) is not to become God, but to assist God in His struggle towards reunification with Himself by becoming, like the Biblical Job, an Eved HaShem, or 'Servant of the Lord.'

This means that I -- as a portal through which God returns to Himself -- am no more the God passing through me on His way to wholeness than the light bulb is the electricity passing through it on its way to the darkness.

Like the light bulb, however, we cannot help but be changed in some subtle way by that "electricity"; but in the final analysis when the switch is turned off, the energy stops and we remain no more than what we were at the start -- a light bulb -- modified at some level by the experience of having been illuminated for a time, but only a light bulb, nonetheless, to be discarded for the next one that will come to replace it.

This is as true of Sabbatai Zevi (the 17th century Jewish avatar on whom our Kabbalah of the Continuing Incarnation is based) as it was of Jesus, Buddha, Ramakrishna, Jacob Frank, Meher Baba, and all the other Avatars and near-Avatars of history -- past, present and future.

God never was, is not, and never will be a man; but man can, should and will become a vessel for the Liberation of God. However, even then, even having become such a vessel of holiness, "The enlightened person remains what he is, and is never more than his own limited ego before the One who dwells within him, whose form has no knowable boundaries, who encompases him on all sides, fathomless as the abysms of the earth and vast as the sky." (C. G. Jung, Answer to Job, par. 758)

Now, I have a problem with the lightbulb analogy. In essence, the claim is that humans are light bulbs and God is the electricity; Hence, we should be "vessels" or containers of God. But this appears misguided, to say the least. Our Being is an activity; it is not a thing. You cannot compare our Being to a vessel or a lightbulb; Our Being consists in activity, in a becoming. Hence, using the previous lightbulb analogy, we are the electricity (the activity), as is God. It is only through our small consciousness of our true nature, that we are God, that we are the Universe conscious of Itself, that we believe we are separate and/or mere vessels or containers of God.

Red Dragon	Jun 05, 2004, 05:14 PM Post #2
Newbie Group: Basic Member Posts: 40 Joined: Jun 04, 2004 Member No.: 2684	The light bulb allegory is in the context of him acting as a portal through which God returns to Himself. Their pages are full of Jesus jokes or zingers, intended to make the reader "wince" a bit, and hopefully think. These guys are heretics as far as Judaism is concerned. Theyr'e great Kabbalists though, good group clamidium. The burnt out bulbs allegory more appropriately applies to the apostles. They all had very short life spans after receiving "the gift of tongues", or having their pineal gland activated. Funny how that worked. The one excpetion I think was Matthew, who retraced JC ' steps as a kid and young man to the east and India. The rest seemed to step in sh*t pretty quicky and died. Whereas JC seemed to go north once in eastern Persia, towards Nepal and Kashmir, thats when Matthew went south instead. The whole site's a good read and I've saved it to disk. Red Dragon Raven shaman

Unknown	Jun 05, 2004, 06:02 PM Post #3
Unregistered	thanks for clarifying that, Red Dragon. I think I'll go look for those Jesus jokes now. :)

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