Does the Universe Exist if We're Not Looking? Options

[sol]

Do you really understand that design Sol?

D,

Believe it or not ,I think I do:)

Superposition (either/or) is directly linked to each other like spooky action at a distance. How this is done is in relation to what happens on one sphere, is directly connected to what happens on the other. There is no separation. Cryptology is based on this.

BuT INDEED IT IS MUCH More COMPLICATED THEN THIS, AND I UNDERsTAND THE NEED FOR SIMPLICITY. I WILL BE HAPPY TO SEE YOU MODEL what you see. Sorry for the caplock confusion.

To take it a step further it was necessary to see what calibration points are used, as in LIGO, to demonstrate the evedinece( I know it is in question) as to what the gravity waves are telling us. The distance between the 13 billions years of our system, and what information we have now is a direct link. This is what I beleive, and retranslating the effects of those grvaitational waves, back into structural information, will help us to reconstruct the events of the past.

You must not forget D, that I am working in developing understanding of consciousness as well, and the relationship we have to the choices we make.

Some do not believe in dimension, yet how much of value is considered in scalable features of a weak field measure of consciousness?

Of course I am always open to correction, and I enjoy seeing how you model aspects of consciousness in the models you produce. I have no gurus to dance with, and see no gurus before me, just us plain ole folk wanting to understand things, and our concepts of things.

Computationally Translating Ligo's Gravity Waves

Sol

[pelastration]

Interesting pdf file on David Bohm (Scientific America 1994) :
http://rodin.hep.iastate.edu/jc/321-03/sciam-bohm.pdf

[Unknown]

yes.

[Unknown]

link doesn't work for me.

[cckeiser]

[Unknown]

[richard evans]

Here's another one.You have to think of what you want to say before you have said it-albeit subconsciously,so it seems logical that you have to think of the object before you turn to look at it,and we could ask the question,does that mean that I think of what is BEHIND me before I turn around to see it?

[Rajesh]

[Unknown]

Existence only exists through perceiving its existence. Existence is the perceived, perceiving itself, when existence no longer perceives its existence then there is only the nonexistent self… existence is the fullness within the emptiness…. It is the all within the nothing…

But, Modern physics doesn't know for certain what constitutes an observer. Hence, you have different physicists saying different things. For example, some believe you need a conscious observer, others suggest a human observer, and still others would say a particle observer. In Bohm's interpretation, you don't even need an observer since particle locations and momenta are deterministic. And so it's not clear what an observer is in quantum mechanics.

[cckeiser]

[cckeiser]

[Hey Hey]

Look, I know that someone will say different, but in the "real" world we work with "time". As the "present" diminishes to a numerical value that is beyond the grasp of our neurophysiology then there can be no present. The past is gone (no really, it has!) and the future is not in existence yet (please tell me different along with next week's lottery numbers!). So we have no present, no past and no future. But I'm sitting here thinking. So something is happening somewhere, sometime. Obviously all these time and place ideas are "out of place" and we are all just trying to explain something that is impossible for humans to understand, even the clever Dicks. It's a bit like the human brain - it's too complicated for the human brain to understand - unless we separate all the integrated functions, and if we do that we are changing the reality and then it becomes meaningless again.

But I was attracted to "Does the universe exist if we're not looking". If Fred my neighbour dies tonight, I bet you that when I wake up the universe is still there. And he won't be looking! (Fred is not a real person, by the way. Or maybe he is now that I have thought him!).

Bye.......

[rhymer]

Fred here!!!!

You need to realise that what we call the present is actually the past!

It takes the human brain a few hundred milliseconds to comprehend anything it detects as 'the present events' so everything we witness is already in the past.

[Unknown]

[Hey Hey]

When Fred died he helped to add some data to the fountain of knowledge. Eventually, when we found out how, we recieved a message from Fred. He said that "time" for him was different. Our second was a squillion years to him. Hence when we saw his body die, he, in his mind, was seeing the universe unfold. And we were "parallel" to him, and we died.

Our "present" was his present and his future. His mind was active and he still existed. We "died" and the same thing happened. This meant that our minds went on. Perhaps they were never "not here". Let's try and think of a description of "our minds before our bodies were created", eh?

"The other life form breathed out, and in that breath the lives of a billion individuals began and ended".

Hey Hey