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post May 15, 2004, 08:25 PM
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Greetings. I would like to re-program the subconcious aspect of my mind so I can have more control and focus in what I do. The most effective method I could think of was self-hypnosis. Please give me accounts of self-hypnosis so I can see if I was right about it being an effective method, and also [if possible] refer me to sites/books/give me instructions on how to perform self hypnosis. I think this will be a good way to become who I want to be and do what I aspire to do.
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Dianah:As long as we keep in mind that it is all about coming AWAKE--to consciousness, I'm okay.

BTW, Dr. Franz Antoine Mesmber--he was a medical doctor--called it "animal magnetism". Those who were taught by him called it "mesmerism". Mesmer was driven out of Vienna by the religion and medical authorities--obscurants all. He took refuge in Paris and became famous when his methods, which worked for a lot of people, when, just before the French Revolution, he was investigated by a special royal
commission headed by the American ambassador to Paris, Benjamin Franklin.

The following site gives us more on the history of the concept:
http://www.danielolson.com/hypnosis/hypnosis_history.html

I am pleased with the interest there is in this subject. IMHO, it helps explain the power behind faith healing, at its best. I am not talking about the many frauds in the field. Any success they have, it seems, is purely accidental.

Keep in mind: I am not cynical about the power of a genuine and sincere faith, but faith does have its limitations, as I indicate below.

Years ago--in the 1970's--I wrote several columns, in a Toronto paper, and exposed some of the so-called "faith healers" who made fantastic claims. I followed up on people, with serious physical conditions, who claimed that they were healed at their services. Parents of a stone-deaf child---born with with no physical hearing mechanism--told me that they believed their son was "healed tonight". This and other cases I looked into proved false. A well-known Canadian journalist and author, Tom Harpur, who I know, had the same experience.

With the cooperation of a "healing team", from a local church, I actually set up an extensive experiment involving my own health problems--chronic conditions--and agreed to have the team "Pray with and for me". They assured me that if I did not have the faith, God would give me the faith I needed. "Meanwhile, our prayers will make up for any doubt you have."

The experiment went on for weeks. It did not work.

To make a long story short, quite awhile later, I had surgery, which did improve the problem, greatly. However it did not completely eliminate it. Science, too, has its limitations.

Question: If Benny Hinn, Peter Popoff, Pat Robertson and Oral Roberts, Jr., etc., have a direct line to God, how come they do not simply take this "magic" into a major hospital and empty it?

Who would waste time and money on medicare if healing was as simple as the faith healers say it is?
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Dianah:As long as we keep in mind that it is all about coming AWAKE--to consciousness, I'm okay.

BTW, Dr. Franz Antoine Mesmber--he was a medical doctor--called it "animal magnetism". Those who were taught by him called it "mesmerism". Mesmer was driven out of Vienna by the religion and medical authorities--obscurants all. He took refuge in Paris and became famous when his methods, which worked for a lot of people, when, just before the French Revolution, he was investigated by a special royal
commission headed by the American ambassador to Paris, Benjamin Franklin.

The following site gives us more on the history of the concept:


I am pleased with the interest there is in this subject. IMHO, it helps explain the power behind faith healing, at its best. I am not talking about the many frauds in the field. Any success they have, it seems, is purely accidental.

Keep in mind: I am not cynical about the power of a genuine and sincere faith, but faith does have its limitations, as I indicate below.

Years ago--in the 1970's--I wrote several columns, in a Toronto paper, and exposed some of the so-called "faith healers" who made fantastic claims. I followed up on people, with serious physical conditions, who claimed that they were healed at their services. Parents of a stone-deaf child---born with with no physical hearing mechanism--told me that they believed their son was "healed tonight". This and other cases I looked into proved false. A well-known Canadian journalist and author, Tom Harpur, who I know, had the same experience.

With the cooperation of a "healing team", from a local church, I actually set up an extensive experiment involving my own health problems--chronic conditions--and agreed to have the team "Pray with and for me". They assured me that if I did not have the faith, God would give me the faith I needed. "Meanwhile, our prayers will make up for any doubt you have."

The experiment went on for weeks. It did not work.

To make a long story short, quite awhile later, I had surgery, which did improve the problem, greatly. However it did not completely eliminate it. Science, too, has its limitations.

Question: If Benny Hinn, Peter Popoff, Pat Robertson and Oral Roberts, Jr., etc., have a direct line to God, how come they do not simply take this "magic" into a major hospital and empty it?

Who would waste time and money on medicare if healing was as simple as the faith healers say it is?









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fotia   Self-Hypnosis   May 15, 2004, 08:25 PM
Unknown   I would suggest googling for NLP, Neuro-Linguistic...   May 15, 2004, 08:30 PM
Jasper   My advice is just to be yourself to find the real ...   Oct 31, 2004, 04:18 PM
lgking   My advice is just to be yourself to find the real...   Feb 01, 2006, 08:03 PM
lgking   This is the first time I have seen this thread and...   Oct 31, 2004, 08:57 PM
fotia   This is the first time I have seen this thread an...   Jan 31, 2006, 05:10 PM
lgking   [quote name='lgking' post='40857...   Feb 01, 2006, 06:21 PM
RevLGKing2   Flex, et al: I (Lindsay, using my sons's ...   Jan 10, 2007, 08:55 AM
simon   Meditate. Allow what comes up. Breath. Relax. Let ...   Jan 10, 2007, 10:22 AM
Lindsay   Simon, tell us who you are, please. You can do t...   Jan 10, 2007, 02:49 PM
maximus242   Sigh* Okay since no one else seems to be helping ...   Jan 10, 2007, 06:36 PM
Ignorance Is Eternal   Sigh* Okay since no one else seems to be helping...   Jan 12, 2007, 07:16 PM
Lindsay   Max, interestingly, I met Maxwell Maltz, years ago...   Jan 10, 2007, 10:19 PM
Lindsay   Keep in mind IIE: The fact that we now have the PC...   Jan 12, 2007, 08:50 PM
Ignorance Is Eternal   Keep in mind IIE: The fact that we now have the P...   Jan 12, 2007, 10:57 PM
Lindsay   IIE, ABOUT THE ART OF HYPNOSIS Perhaps I should ha...   Jan 13, 2007, 09:42 AM
Enki   Having said this, my plea is: Let those of us who...   Jan 13, 2007, 05:41 PM
Enki   No one will be permitted to Hack the Matrix and qu...   Jan 13, 2007, 05:46 PM
maximus242   Any form of change techniques, whether hypnosis or...   Jan 13, 2007, 06:11 PM
Lindsay   I strongly suspect that Enki is being a bit faceti...   Jan 13, 2007, 07:28 PM
Enki   I strongly suspect that Enki is being a bit facet...   Jan 14, 2007, 09:28 PM
Lindsay   Here is some good and basic information: http://ww...   Jan 13, 2007, 07:57 PM
Enki   Thank you Maximus242 for quoting Milton Erickson, ...   Jan 14, 2007, 09:02 PM
Enki   You know, God dislikes when human Freedom of Will ...   Jan 14, 2007, 09:43 PM
Lindsay   Max, you write: I am not doubting you, but do you...   Jan 15, 2007, 10:38 AM
maximus242   Max, you write: I am not doubting you, but do yo...   Jan 18, 2007, 02:04 PM
Gahan   Max, you write: I am not doubting you, but do y...   Jan 18, 2007, 05:55 PM
Enki   But internet is a free source Lindsay. Anybody can...   Jan 15, 2007, 11:59 AM
simon   The information is already out there a la internet...   Jan 16, 2007, 03:57 AM
Enki   For your information quite many things are scatter...   Jan 16, 2007, 10:42 AM
simon   so mentor   Jan 16, 2007, 11:10 AM
Enki   :lol:   Jan 16, 2007, 12:36 PM
Lindsay   :lol: Lindsay avoids dialog... Now, that really ...   Jan 18, 2007, 07:21 AM
Enki   ;)   Jan 18, 2007, 08:42 AM
Lindsay   Max Many philosophers have warned against the dan...   Jan 18, 2007, 09:55 PM
Enki   If anyone is interested, I am quite willing to he...   Jan 19, 2007, 09:48 AM
maximus242   Max Many philosophers have warned against the da...   Jan 19, 2007, 01:35 PM
Lindsay   Enki, I think of most posters here as people I do ...   Jan 19, 2007, 11:22 AM
Lindsay   Max, until we dialogue enough for me to really un...   Jan 19, 2007, 04:03 PM
Enki   Enki, I think of most posters here as people I do...   Jan 19, 2007, 11:54 PM
Lindsay   Enki, you wrote: Go on. Tell us what happened....?   Jan 20, 2007, 05:23 AM
Enki   Enki, you wrote: Go on. Tell us what happened.......   Jan 20, 2007, 08:07 AM
Lindsay   You keep talking about danger Well, to parody the...   Jan 20, 2007, 06:41 AM
Enki   You keep talking about danger Well, to parody th...   Jan 20, 2007, 08:11 AM
maximus242   I think morpheus put it best as "Some people ...   Jan 20, 2007, 10:48 AM
Lindsay   I think morpheus put it best as "Some people...   Jan 20, 2007, 11:08 AM
Enki   I think morpheus put it best as "Some people...   Jan 20, 2007, 01:12 PM
Joesus   I had a thought once... Someone else had a t...   Jan 20, 2007, 10:56 AM
maximus242   I had a thought once... Someone else had a ...   Jan 20, 2007, 11:14 AM
Enki   This was why Jesus and other masters didn't c...   Jan 20, 2007, 01:43 PM
Joesus   But those external forms of validation are only te...   Jan 20, 2007, 11:55 AM
Enki   God is not Democratic. You want to say Jeosus,...   Jan 20, 2007, 01:19 PM
Joesus   God is not Democratic. You want to say Jeosus...   Jan 20, 2007, 05:56 PM
Enki   [quote name='Enki' post='75756' date='Jan 20, 200...   Jan 20, 2007, 11:26 PM
Lindsay   BTW, "egotist" that I am, I post in more...   Jan 20, 2007, 12:01 PM
Joesus   Speaking in terms of waking up, as in the soul/mi...   Jan 20, 2007, 12:01 PM
Joesus   Yes those that need something from others feed o...   Jan 20, 2007, 12:06 PM
Lindsay   Enki, et al: I trust you will understand me when I...   Jan 20, 2007, 12:30 PM
Enki   Enki, et al: I trust you will understand me when ...   Jan 20, 2007, 01:33 PM
maximus242   People are always most intrested in themselves, wa...   Jan 20, 2007, 01:04 PM
Enki   You know, Republic of People under guidance of th...   Jan 20, 2007, 01:25 PM
Lindsay   Enki, I have always wondered: Why do GOP Republica...   Jan 20, 2007, 01:36 PM
Enki   Enki, I have always wondered: Why do GOP Republic...   Jan 20, 2007, 01:45 PM
Enki   I suggest to discard the topic discussion. OK?   Jan 20, 2007, 01:55 PM
Lindsay   And your reason for this suggestion?   Jan 20, 2007, 02:08 PM
Enki   Common Sense Lindsay. I am unilaterally getting o...   Jan 20, 2007, 02:15 PM
Lindsay   So you, voluntarily, chose to go back into sleep--...   Jan 20, 2007, 02:38 PM
Joesus   I know why you wonder.. When you put God into t...   Jan 21, 2007, 10:55 AM
Enki   I know why you wonder.. Really? Quite interes...   Jan 21, 2007, 11:20 AM
Joesus   Of course! You have objectified the statem...   Jan 21, 2007, 11:41 AM
Enki   Just look at this boy, he is a Sophist! Your ...   Jan 21, 2007, 11:50 AM
Enki   I will tell you Joesus one innovated cabalistic an...   Jan 21, 2007, 11:59 AM
Lindsay   I will tell you Joesus one innovated cabalistic a...   Jan 22, 2007, 07:18 AM
Joesus   It's easy to point a finger and make a claim ...   Jan 21, 2007, 12:59 PM
Enki   Truth somewhere in-between.   Jan 21, 2007, 10:48 PM
Enki   Times are changing Lindsay. Different continents, ...   Jan 22, 2007, 11:36 AM
Lindsay   Times are changing Lindsay. Different continents,...   Jan 22, 2007, 09:10 PM
Ignorance Is Eternal   Hello all I hypnotised myself 3 times now using a...   Jan 23, 2007, 07:40 PM
maximus242   Hello all I hypnotised myself 3 times now using ...   Jan 26, 2007, 06:00 PM
Enki   Seriously, dont worry about causing major changes...   Jan 27, 2007, 05:03 PM
Lindsay   What we say to ourselves in our inner-dialogue--ta...   Jan 24, 2007, 09:33 PM
maximus242   Inner Dialogue is extremly important, it is in ess...   Jan 26, 2007, 05:30 PM
Lindsay   Max, your post above reminds me of the old joke ab...   Jan 26, 2007, 08:16 PM
Lindsay   Enki. I ask you, seriously : Are you, absolutely...   Jan 27, 2007, 08:14 PM
Enki   Enki. I ask you, seriously : Are you, absolutel...   Jan 28, 2007, 01:29 AM
Lindsay   More mild sarcasm, eh?   Jan 31, 2007, 01:51 PM
Enki   More mild sarcasm, eh? It is very sad indeed.   Jan 31, 2007, 02:40 PM
maximus242   Enki, either your incredibly ignorant or your joki...   Feb 03, 2007, 05:22 PM
Enki   Enki, either your incredibly ignorant or your jok...   Feb 05, 2007, 12:48 AM
Lindsay   Right on, Max: Recently, I sent the following to a...   Feb 03, 2007, 10:55 PM
Lindsay   4 WIDELY HELD MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT HYPNOSIS 1. So...   Feb 04, 2007, 07:08 PM
maximus242   Enki, its sooo hard to tell when you are joking. M...   Feb 06, 2007, 04:45 PM
Lindsay   Enki, its sooo hard to tell when you are joking. ...   Feb 07, 2007, 07:05 PM
Lindsay   Dianah:As long as we keep in mind that it is all a...   Feb 07, 2007, 09:49 PM
RevLG.KING   Dianah:As long as we keep in mind that it is all ...   Apr 16, 2009, 04:13 PM
correlli   I've used hypnosis quite alot. It's helps...   Apr 16, 2009, 06:01 AM
RevLG.KING   I've used hypnosis quite alot. It's help...   Apr 16, 2009, 04:22 PM
Hey Hey   I like to call what I am doing, pneuamatherapy--th...   Apr 17, 2009, 03:05 AM
correlli   I like to call what I am doing, pneuamatherapy-...   Apr 17, 2009, 05:58 AM
RevLG.KING   BT W, be patient. I am just getting the drift of o...   Apr 16, 2009, 05:20 PM
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