Mind expansion without hallucinations?, A different explanation of mind expansion Options

[richard evans]

If I think of reality,or consciousness(of that reality) like a film,as made up of seperate,incremental,frames-each frame being like an individual "slice of time".The brain puts together information from the senses-like a jigsaw puzzle-forming a "frame",only each frame is immediatedly obsolete-because of the nature of space and time(the outside world of perception),and then a new frame is put together by the brain and perceived.(I have greatly simplified this.(Short of time.)Hallucinigens either speed up this process(each sperate frame is made quicker,meaning more information in less time,and more information means hallucinations),or,there is more information in each seperate frame(the speed of the frames is the same,but more information in each frame,and again,more information means hallucinations.)If confused,think of a movie camera,and how it projects on the screen-The frames in the "camera" are like the frames of perception,and what is "projected" onto the screen is in fact the excess information,which "overflows" outwards,and is projected onto the "movie secreen",or rather,is perceived as hallucinations.The thing is,we have two different things here,but the implications are very different when we look closely at the two.(SEE BELOW)

My thoughts are also contained in these frames.They are conscious as "LABELS" of the objects or contents of reality,each object containing or carrying a psychologically projected label,the label carrying all the information pertaining to the object that is conscious to the subject.

So,what does lsd/hallucinogenics do?What would happen if we were to "speed up" these frames?That is my question-what are the implications?

What happens when you spped up a film?Obviusly,the film is speeded up,and time in the film is also speeded up.This is what happens with hallucinogens,and more importantly,is the essence of mind expansion-can we have TRUE mind-expansion without hallucinations?

What I am saying/asking is,when we takes lsd,these (out of time!)....

Just quickly(before I go),if you double the frames in a film then you get slow motion,but if you double the speed,you get a speeded up film.The results are very different,but the amount of information is the same for both.In the former,the rate of framesis dobled,the latter,the speed of the frames is doubled-we start of with x amount of information,and end up with 2x information in both former and latter.BOTH of these things happen when tripping.The slow motion thing is the information of our thoughts is speeded up,thus,we have more detailed thoughts in COMPARISON to our sense-data,thus altering our *perception* of time.

I'll leave you with a question.What if the rate/speed of thought was speeded up so the amount of information(in our thoughts)was either equal to or greater than the amount of information taken in by the senses.Think of DEJA-VU,and........would we still be hallucinationg?Is it possible to stop hallucinating on lsd?That is,for the hallucinations to get so intense that the hallucinations become the logical opposite of the sense data-would that mean that the information projected outwards as hallucinations would equal/be the opposite of the sense data,and thus CANCEL EACH OTHER OUT,or,NO HALLUCINATIONS?Think about this one.

[BornaDreamer]

I agree also that it is not to be avoided. I also wanted to add that I have never hallucinated much on any hallucinogen and I have always wondered why. I have taken rather large doses, especially of mushrooms, without hallucinating or with only very minor and never at all disturbing hallucinations. Rather than hallucinating, I experiencing an expanded, clearer... simply MORE conscious experience of reality along with an expanded sense of body-self and many of the other qualities associated with 'mystical' states, 'cosmic consciousness' or some of the states described on this website. I am not sure why this is the case, but I have had some rather bizarre experiences in which I seemed to take in a large amount of information in "one frame" (that is, in fact, how I described it at the time: I claimed that it was like a large amount of information and events transpired within one frame of time or within the snap of a finger.) I could go on for hours on this topic and this is my night of discovery of this website so I'm rather excited to find out what else there is.