Salvia Trip Meter Options

[Laz]

I've never quite seen anything like this before, how cool It is a trip meter for Salvia Divinorum from legal-highs.org

Level -1 "S stands for SUBTLE effects." A feeling that something is happening, although it is difficulty to say just what. Relaxation and increased sensual appreciation may be noted. This mild level is useful for meditation and may facilitate sexual pleasure.

Level - 2 "A stands for ALTERED perception." Colors and textures are paid attention to. Appreciation of music may be enhanced. Space may appear of greater or lesser depth than is usual. But visions do not occur at this level. Thinking becomes less logical, and more playful; short term memory difficulties are may be noted.

Level - 3 "L stands for LIGHT visionary state." Closed eye visuals (clear imagery with eyes closed: fractal patterns, vine-like and geometric patterns, visions of objects and designs). The imagery is often two dimensional. If open eyed visual effects occur these are usually vague and fleeting. At this level phenomena similar to the hypnagogic phenomena that some people experience at sleep onset occur. At this level visions are experienced as eye candy but are not confused with reality.

Level - 4 "V stands for VIVID visionary state." Complex three dimensional realistic appearing scenes occur. Sometimes voices may be heard. With eyes open contact with consensual reality will not be entirely lost, but when you close your eyes you may forget about consensus reality and enter completely into a dreamlike scene. Shamanistic journeying to other lands, foreign or imaginary; encounters with beings, entities, spirits; or travels to other ages may occur. You may even live the life of another person. At this level you have entered the shamans world. Or if you prefer you are in dream time. With eyes closed you experience fantasies (dream like happenings, with a story line to them). So long as your eyes are closed you may believe they are really occurring. This differs from the eye candy closed eye imagery, of level 3.

Level - 5 "I stands for IMMATERIAL existence." At this level consciousness remains and some though processes are still lucid, but one becomes completely involved in inner experience and looses all contact with consensual reality. Individuality may be lost; one experiences merging with God/dess, mind, universal consciousness, or bizarre fusions with other objects real or imagined, e.g. merging with a wall may be experienced. At this level it is impossible to function in consensual reality, but unfortunately some people do not remain still but move around in this befuddled state. For this reason a sitter is essential to ensure the safety of someone voyaging to the inner levels. To the person experiencing this, the phenomenon may be terrifying or exceedingly pleasant; but to an outside observer the individual may appear confused or disoriented.

Level 6 - "A stands for AMNESIC effects " At this stage either consciousness is lost; or at least one is unable to later recall what one is experiencing. The individual may fall, or remain immobile or thrash around; somnambulistic behavior may occur; injuries can be sustained without pain being felt; on awakening the individual will have no recollection of what he/she did, experienced or said in level 6. People cannot ever recall what they experience in this very deep trance state. This is not a sought after level as later nothing can be recalled of the experience.


I've been to level 4, looking forward to level 5. Does anyone have similar scales for other drugs?

[Joesus]

Can i say that was quite a harsh response!

I would say it was a response fitting the mindset of your post.

Would you really suggest that i commit suicide?

No and I wouldn't suggest you take drugs either.

I am in no rush to experience death what so ever i am mearly trying to explain that it is a level of awareness to be realised as a major transition of ourselves into the next world.

You're familiarity with death fascinates me.

I am actually a female and wouldnt want to do that even if i did have a penis!

I did change penis to labia after I read another post of yours explaining that you were penis-less and before you posted this response but you're not keeping up.

When i said i would prefer to be seen as insane for experimenting with different experience of reality by trying drugs than live in the normal society around us which seems like a flock of sheep content in thier ignorance to watch eastenders and not even think about any type of self discovery I certainly didnt mean it to come across as I cant live in reality without being drugged up.

I never said you did but I responded in kind to your projections of my intent in designing my own meter to counter the Salvia (How stoned can you get) meter.

It may have taken mushrooms to have opened up my perceptions and show me there is a higher state of consiousness but I dont feel I need to take drugs every time I want to go on a voyage of self awareness or to accept who i am or remember how to feel one with myself.

Higher states of consciousness are not temporary altered states created by chemical manipulation that isn't permanent.

I have looked at various religons and beliefs and taken on my own religeon and beliefs and my own ways of meditation and tuning into my inner energys as well as using drugs on various occassions.

I did that myself until I realized I couldn't do it on my own. The Ego never asks for help.

Please dont suggest that I have parents who were addicts of any sort or irresponsible in thier upbringing as I feel that is quite personal and not relevent to be brought into this conversation, how can you assume i even had parents about or a bad upbringing.

I assumed nothing, I simply met your comment at the same level of thought you insisted was real.

I would never suggest that someone kill themselves to deal with the fact they dont agree with other peoples opinions of them do you really feel that was a good suggestion to tell someone that a killing yoursekf is a commonly used approach to dealing with a negative challenge in life?

I didn't suggest you do either only that they are approaches commonly used by people who use the same rationale as you did in suggesting society encourages people to smoke and drink.

I can see and feel the hurt and war in the world, the evil of some peoples cruelty to thier own species as well as experience the most amazing feeling of love from my husband and watching my children being born into my arms and experience growing and producing life .

If you experience enlightenment then you also realize these events and experiences come from the same origin. These things happen because people draw the experiences into their lives. People are creators yet they believe they are victims.

I love and care for my family and hope to bring them up safely and with encouragement to be proud to be individual and to try to live how they feel brings them enlightenment and in balance with the rest of the world. I am far from the drug addict hiding from what i dont want to admit is happening.

Does the love you share include sharing ideas such as taking drugs to expand awareness. At what age would you suggest your children consider experimenting with drugs to expand their experience of themselves?

[solartrinity]

"Higher states of consciousness are not temporary altered states created by chemical manipulation that isn't permanent"

Why do you feel as if i have cheated by using chemicals to find enlightenment? Any enlightenment i have discovered through experimentation of drugs is still enlightenment and i am sure i will continue to find other higher states of conciousness still with out drugs just the same. Everyone learns who they are and higher consiousness at different paces, it isnt a race and if we go on to exist eternally then i am certainly happy to be patient for the answers to come in thier own time.

I have looked at various religons and beliefs and taken on my own religeon and beliefs and my own ways of meditation and tuning into my inner energys as well as using drugs on various occassions.

I did that myself until I realized I couldn't do it on my own. The Ego never asks for help.

I think if you cant find your own beliefs and listen to what your heart and soul tell what truly feels the right way for you then maybe you havent figured who you really are or havent accepted parts of yourself yet or what direction to take to find your higher self. You cannot learn to embrace any other understanding of life until you know and accept who you are yourself? Thats how i found it to be for myself.How can you love or trust anything else in life if you do not know love and trust for yourself.

I dont claim that may be the case for you as everyone finds themselves in different ways I just know I have looked at other religeons and ideas and asked for help and guidance from within myself it has been a long journey to know who I am and accept myself for my faults as well as my qualitys, i accept my mistakes and wrong desisions. I think acceptance of who you are is the key to understanding.

Please dont think i am being judgemental or acting like I am an expert on enlightenment, I am far from either. I am just sharing my views and opinions.

[Hey Hey]

"Higher states of consciousness are not temporary altered states created by chemical manipulation that isn't permanent"

Why do you feel as if i have cheated by using chemicals to find enlightenment? Any enlightenment i have discovered through experimentation of drugs is still enlightenment and i am sure i will continue to find other higher states of conciousness still with out drugs just the same. Everyone learns who they are and higher consiousness at different paces, it isnt a race and if we go on to exist eternally then i am certainly happy to be patient for the answers to come in thier own time.

Have you ever thought that by using chemicals to change the biochemistry of your brain, the enlightenment you experience is no longer experienced by YOU, for YOU have changed. To achieve enlightenment of your true self should be an objective. And that might not have so many potential side effects! ()

[solartrinity]

"Higher states of consciousness are not temporary altered states created by chemical manipulation that isn't permanent"

Why do you feel as if i have cheated by using chemicals to find enlightenment? Any enlightenment i have discovered through experimentation of drugs is still enlightenment and i am sure i will continue to find other higher states of conciousness still with out drugs just the same. Everyone learns who they are and higher consiousness at different paces, it isnt a race and if we go on to exist eternally then i am certainly happy to be patient for the answers to come in thier own time.

Have you ever thought that by using chemicals to change the biochemistry of your brain, the enlightenment you experience is no longer experienced by YOU, for YOU have changed. To achieve enlightenment of your true self should be an objective. And that might not have so many potential side effects! ()

I dont know much about biochemistry so i find it hard to comment on the changes there by using chemicals to alter my conciousness to a different level, all I can say is that I found the use of hallucagenics helped me see a larger view of the world and perception that i hadnt been able to see before as i didnt know it existed. The chemicals opened doors and pathways in my brain that gave me intuition and insight, so yes i supppose it changed me as me but i know I didnt dissapear and a new personality slip into my head. I still feel like Emma and I feel peace in myself still along with a deeper understanding and a deeper intuition. Maybe you can explain biochemistry and what really using hallucagenics achieves if it isnt inlightenment. I would be very interested in how you achieve enlightenment and give me an insight into how you felt when you experienced it. It is a very personal experience and the day I am having on the board Im starting to wonder if its worth trying to explain for fear of being seen as being deluded.

I know shamanism and history of religeon have used chemicals to reach enlightenment and go on inner journeys of discovery is it so wrong to have done this ?

I would be very interested to hear other peoples stories of self discover and experiences for a change.

emma
xxxxx

[Hey Hey]

It is a very personal experience and the day I am having on the board Im starting to wonder if its worth trying to explain for fear of being seen as being deluded.

Your views and opinions are important. Don't take things so seriously - sometimes short and sharp replies just reflect the medium we are using and not the attitude of the person posting (see my signature).

But the biochemical changes are important to understand. There are lots of links on the web to explain the biochemistry starting at an elementary level. I recommend that you have a look at some of these as a prelude to examining the ways that drugs work, or at least appreciating how complex many of the mechanisms are and hence how dicy it can be playing about with the pathways.

The experiences people can have are varied and often unpredictable, but one thing is certain: many of the experiences are meaningless in terms of the actuality of what you experience. For example, what is the enlightenment you experience? A better appreciation of God? Well, how do you know that your experiences are anything to do with God, anymore than a schizophrenic hearing voices hears actual voices, whilst non-schizophrenics around him/her hear nothing. What is reality? Yes, BIG questions arise from this interference with "normal" brain chemistry. (And don't start getting philosophical about the semantics some of you observers).

So what is it that you experience, how meaningful is it and where does it take you. If you feel satisfied in some way, fine. But why stop with drugs. Why not try some electricity, or bungee jumping, flatlining (I'm not serious)? How about lucid dreaming?

Have a good time here, but explore the science behind the experience: it's both frightening and fascinating!

[code buttons]

It is a very personal experience and the day I am having on the board Im starting to wonder if its worth trying to explain for fear of being seen as being deluded.

Your views and opinions are important.

Hi, and welcome Solartrinity. Please do as Hey Hey says. I say so from my personal experience. I came here with a, what anyone else would have considered a delusional story. I had a lucid-dream or vision, whichever you want to call it, culmination of a 24-year quest. And I knew I had to share it with someone. But I wasn't sure with whom. Because I knew that nobody I knew would be remotely interested in such far-fetched story. But I had to share it because I considered that it was important. And that I couldn't, shouldn't keep it to myself. Lo and beholf I found BM through Google. And, would you beleive it, this simple layman that I am, found a receptive audience amongst these veteran scientists and artists! They took me in, and made me feel right at home.
And that's the beauty of BM. This is a very special bunch of people. A very unique bunch of like-minds, from all walks of life, who share one main common denominator: Our interest in the mysteries of the mind and it's true potential; which we haven't even remotely started to tap into yet, I might add.