Salvia Trip Meter
Salvia Trip Meter
Apr 14, 2004, 03:15 AM
Group: Full Member
Joined: Jun 17, 2003
Member No.: 255
I've never quite seen anything like this before, how cool It is a trip meter for Salvia Divinorum from legal-highs.org
Level -1 "S stands for SUBTLE effects." A feeling that something is happening, although it is difficulty to say just what. Relaxation and increased sensual appreciation may be noted. This mild level is useful for meditation and may facilitate sexual pleasure.
Level - 2 "A stands for ALTERED perception." Colors and textures are paid attention to. Appreciation of music may be enhanced. Space may appear of greater or lesser depth than is usual. But visions do not occur at this level. Thinking becomes less logical, and more playful; short term memory difficulties are may be noted.
Level - 3 "L stands for LIGHT visionary state." Closed eye visuals (clear imagery with eyes closed: fractal patterns, vine-like and geometric patterns, visions of objects and designs). The imagery is often two dimensional. If open eyed visual effects occur these are usually vague and fleeting. At this level phenomena similar to the hypnagogic phenomena that some people experience at sleep onset occur. At this level visions are experienced as eye candy but are not confused with reality.
Level - 4 "V stands for VIVID visionary state." Complex three dimensional realistic appearing scenes occur. Sometimes voices may be heard. With eyes open contact with consensual reality will not be entirely lost, but when you close your eyes you may forget about consensus reality and enter completely into a dreamlike scene. Shamanistic journeying to other lands, foreign or imaginary; encounters with beings, entities, spirits; or travels to other ages may occur. You may even live the life of another person. At this level you have entered the shamans world. Or if you prefer you are in dream time. With eyes closed you experience fantasies (dream like happenings, with a story line to them). So long as your eyes are closed you may believe they are really occurring. This differs from the eye candy closed eye imagery, of level 3.
Level - 5 "I stands for IMMATERIAL existence." At this level consciousness remains and some though processes are still lucid, but one becomes completely involved in inner experience and looses all contact with consensual reality. Individuality may be lost; one experiences merging with God/dess, mind, universal consciousness, or bizarre fusions with other objects real or imagined, e.g. merging with a wall may be experienced. At this level it is impossible to function in consensual reality, but unfortunately some people do not remain still but move around in this befuddled state. For this reason a sitter is essential to ensure the safety of someone voyaging to the inner levels. To the person experiencing this, the phenomenon may be terrifying or exceedingly pleasant; but to an outside observer the individual may appear confused or disoriented.
Level 6 - "A stands for AMNESIC effects " At this stage either consciousness is lost; or at least one is unable to later recall what one is experiencing. The individual may fall, or remain immobile or thrash around; somnambulistic behavior may occur; injuries can be sustained without pain being felt; on awakening the individual will have no recollection of what he/she did, experienced or said in level 6. People cannot ever recall what they experience in this very deep trance state. This is not a sought after level as later nothing can be recalled of the experience.
I've been to level 4, looking forward to level 5. Does anyone have similar scales for other drugs?
Jan 03, 2007, 06:14 PM
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Joined: Sep 26, 2003
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Member No.: 601
Seriously, are you a closet Scientologist?
No, but I am aware that certain things happen for a reason and I'm not against the desire to free ourselves from suffering of any kind.
Lets just say that what we create within the prison walls of our mind are not often seen as a motivation to create something different by freeing the mind from the prison walls we created naturally and for a reason.
To curcumvent a process that is necessary for growth to get where you think you should be when your not there is a best guess not a certainty.
Without being dramatic about the pros and cons of this and that, I see the benefit of understanding our relationship between mind and body/world.
If you create a medical remedy for aging and give it to a buch of stupid people then you have a bunch of stupid people who live for a long time, but if you lead a bunch of stupid people to greater understanding, then they may improve their lives by understanding the mind/body relationship extending their lives enhancing their lives and enhancing the world around them making it a better place for all.
Krisnamurti was one who was born in an exalted state of mind, an enlightened state of mind but without having lived in ignorance he couldn't help anyone trace a path to enlightenment and he didn't grasp their ignorance. Enlightenment is not a cure for the lack of understanding and knowledge if it doesn't encompass all knowledge, and not all states of consciousness that are called enlightenment are lived from omniscience.
My comments on the taking of drugs to reach altered states of consciousness is based on my own experience. The best Trip I ever had with LSD was at a party on Orcas Island in the San Juan Islands on July 4th 1976. The party was called the Orcas Orgasm and with the help of some Labratory LSD I had the most exalted experience of my life. Unfortunately I was unable to do anything normal while under the influence in any manner that I was used to because the world kept changing around me. I was having conversations with a buddy of mine and neither of us spoke a word. We both remembered the conversation afterward but couldn't repeat the experience.
Altered states under chemical influence are random and inconsistent.
Treating depression or schizophrenia with drugs is not a cure, it is a process of using medication to achieve results that have to be monitored and re-evaluated on a regular basis.
I think its great that everyone sees the potential for greater experience of life and nothing is going to change the way people approach the desire. Experience is a great teacher yet there are certain things that don't have to be reinvented, but no one is going to listen to the voice of reason if they are fighting for the right to discover something for themselves.
Take Solartinity as an example, she claims to be a good parent but the life she leads in experimentation is the need for self expression, and a dual life. As long as she maintains that mindset it will be passed on to her children and they are likely to have the same desire as she did to be free from what anyone else thinks and to do what they will according to their own way of thinking, regardless of what anyone else thinks. They may decide to be her children while they are around the house but like their mother leave the home to be something else, take drugs, have sex and all without her knowledge.
The desire to be free is a great desire if you believe you aren't free, but the real desire is for fulfillment and no drug is going to give you lasting fulfillment. It may give you an exprience but all the experiences in the world do not set you free if you are still looking for more experiences to get more freedom, especially if you have to return to the mundane world after you come down from the altered state.
Emma. Your altered states are not higher states of consciousness. You are still living in a dream world of duality where you are still trying to find yourself by amassing enough experiences to make a determination of who you are.
Each time you get high and have a great experience you think you get closer to who you really are but you still remain in the same place dreaming of the ideal place and creating illusions in systems of self measure, like the salvia trip meter.
The Ego believes it can measure itself and its enlightenment.
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