Salvia Trip Meter Options

[Laz]

I've never quite seen anything like this before, how cool It is a trip meter for Salvia Divinorum from legal-highs.org

Level -1 "S stands for SUBTLE effects." A feeling that something is happening, although it is difficulty to say just what. Relaxation and increased sensual appreciation may be noted. This mild level is useful for meditation and may facilitate sexual pleasure.

Level - 2 "A stands for ALTERED perception." Colors and textures are paid attention to. Appreciation of music may be enhanced. Space may appear of greater or lesser depth than is usual. But visions do not occur at this level. Thinking becomes less logical, and more playful; short term memory difficulties are may be noted.

Level - 3 "L stands for LIGHT visionary state." Closed eye visuals (clear imagery with eyes closed: fractal patterns, vine-like and geometric patterns, visions of objects and designs). The imagery is often two dimensional. If open eyed visual effects occur these are usually vague and fleeting. At this level phenomena similar to the hypnagogic phenomena that some people experience at sleep onset occur. At this level visions are experienced as eye candy but are not confused with reality.

Level - 4 "V stands for VIVID visionary state." Complex three dimensional realistic appearing scenes occur. Sometimes voices may be heard. With eyes open contact with consensual reality will not be entirely lost, but when you close your eyes you may forget about consensus reality and enter completely into a dreamlike scene. Shamanistic journeying to other lands, foreign or imaginary; encounters with beings, entities, spirits; or travels to other ages may occur. You may even live the life of another person. At this level you have entered the shamans world. Or if you prefer you are in dream time. With eyes closed you experience fantasies (dream like happenings, with a story line to them). So long as your eyes are closed you may believe they are really occurring. This differs from the eye candy closed eye imagery, of level 3.

Level - 5 "I stands for IMMATERIAL existence." At this level consciousness remains and some though processes are still lucid, but one becomes completely involved in inner experience and looses all contact with consensual reality. Individuality may be lost; one experiences merging with God/dess, mind, universal consciousness, or bizarre fusions with other objects real or imagined, e.g. merging with a wall may be experienced. At this level it is impossible to function in consensual reality, but unfortunately some people do not remain still but move around in this befuddled state. For this reason a sitter is essential to ensure the safety of someone voyaging to the inner levels. To the person experiencing this, the phenomenon may be terrifying or exceedingly pleasant; but to an outside observer the individual may appear confused or disoriented.

Level 6 - "A stands for AMNESIC effects " At this stage either consciousness is lost; or at least one is unable to later recall what one is experiencing. The individual may fall, or remain immobile or thrash around; somnambulistic behavior may occur; injuries can be sustained without pain being felt; on awakening the individual will have no recollection of what he/she did, experienced or said in level 6. People cannot ever recall what they experience in this very deep trance state. This is not a sought after level as later nothing can be recalled of the experience.


I've been to level 4, looking forward to level 5. Does anyone have similar scales for other drugs?

[Joesus]

Level 1. (ignorance) Curiosity and inexperience leads to experimentation.
Level 2. ( ignorance mixed with stupidity) Interest in trying to achieve an altered state, repeated experience or better one that did not meet standards of level one
Level 3. (Stupidity) Repeated attempts to achieve something different by doing the same thing over and over again.
Level 4. (Insanity) Repeated attempts to achieve something different when experience has given you enough information to allow you to make a different choice but you don't because you have stopped using your mind as a point of discernment.
Level 5. (Addict) Discernment has given way to loss of control and any reasoning because there is nothing really important to you anymore other than to escape any responsibility with respect to your life and everything in it.
Level 6. (Death) No point in discussing levels of experience or reality.

[solartrinity]

Level 1. (ignorance) Curiosity and inexperience leads to experimentation.
Level 2. ( ignorance mixed with stupidity) Interest in trying to achieve an altered state, repeated experience or better one that did not meet standards of level one
Level 3. (Stupidity) Repeated attempts to achieve something different by doing the same thing over and over again.
Level 4. (Insanity) Repeated attempts to achieve something different when experience has given you enough information to allow you to make a different choice but you don't because you have stopped using your mind as a point of discernment.
Level 5. (Addict) Discernment has given way to loss of control and any reasoning because there is nothing really important to you anymore other than to escape any responsibility with respect to your life and everything in it.
Level 6. (Death) No point in discussing levels of experience or reality.

How can experimentation of drugs be seen as ignorance? Other than ignoring the goverments opinions and laws and finding out for yourself what something is like?

Stupidity is being ignorant to new experiences and ideas. Insanity, well if experimenting with drugs imakes you insane then im all up for it as the normality of society to me is insanity and anything has to be an improvement! Level 5 sounds like a person letting go of all they know and experiencing a new perception on life and inner being. Just because that level means going into a reality unknown doesnt mean your an addict! But what isnt understood in society is usually labelled as bad as the unknown is scary to the norm, and instantly rejected.

I dont think level 6 was ment to be classed as an overdose and death but if you think that death wont be an experience or a different perception then i think your in for a very big suprise as it will be the most amazing journey you will ever take on enlightenment and knowing.

Drugs can be used to alter your state of mind and conciousness in a positive way and used as an aid to find inner enlightenment if that is the reason they are being used. Like any substance there is the possibility that you can create an addiction or abuse it. I find if some one can have an experience which enables them to find inner understanding and enlightenment within themselves without disturbing anyone else then good for them. Society encourages substances like alcohol and tobacco which the house of commons found in a report last summer to be more addictive and harmful than ecstacy yet they create thier own law for us all to live by and thier own classes to put the drugs in which they created by seeing what happened to volunteers in clinical experiments and what thier experiences were. The classes of drug were determined as hallucagenics, opiates, stimulents etc according to how the clinical human guineapig was feeling. The goverment judged drugs and drug users and personally went completely out thier way to brainwash society into a negative attitude. On the other hand they see it is fine that we are brought up as children into a society where church and jesus and praying is part of the national curriculum and friday and saturday nights are spent binge drinking and getting out of control, usually in a negative way.

I have grown up with thier accepted ideals and legal highs and feel i have the right to chose what is right for me and that I should be able to make a choice of what i wish to do personally without being judged or classed as stupid or insane or labelled as a drug addict. I find that the opinions you express towards this thread to be very judgemental and even though you did drugs personally i dont think it gives you the right to judge them as being bad just because you didnt find enlightenment. I find the more intense the experience i have on drugs the more I get to learn about levels of conciousness and the more it alters my perceptions and senses the more I am able to discover new parts of myself and reality and better understanding of life.

There isnt enough research or proof that drugs can seriously damage your body or cause permenant brain damage but I am sure it isnt as bad as the result religion can have on society creating war and destruction.

I was born into this vessel called a body to experience existance through it and use all the senses it was cleverly equiped with to try and gain something from life on earth and understand me, myself and I.

I am not hurting anyone or forcing anyone to live by my example by doing what I do yet at the same time I am obeying laws and existing in a governed society. I dont think anyone has the right to say what is wrong and what is right this world should be as much mine as anyone elses to share and experience it, lets try and be open minded and make the world a place for our children to enjoy and live in with choice and freedom. and openmindedness to let them make thier own future.

Solartrinity

[Hey Hey]

There isnt enough research or proof that drugs can seriously damage your body or cause permenant brain damage but I am sure it isnt as bad as the result religion can have on society creating war and destruction.

Your posting is almost exclusively on a general drug theme rather than focused on Salvia - the topic - so I'll respond in the same vein (pun intended).

I'm not going to waste time listing the thousands of scientific and medical papers indicating the side-effects of drugs (prescription and other). Suffice it to say that all (non-brain dead) scientists and clinicians, and many users agree that there are serious potential side-effects from most illegal/illicit/recreational drugs. See here for some ideas of how you can make your life (or death) more exciting if you are suicidal, terminally ill or just plain thick: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/351472.stm.

[solartrinity]

There isnt enough research or proof that drugs can seriously damage your body or cause permenant brain damage but I am sure it isnt as bad as the result religion can have on society creating war and destruction.

Your posting is almost exclusively on a general drug theme rather than focused on Salvia - the topic - so I'll respond in the same vein (pun intended).

I'm not going to waste time listing the thousands of scientific and medical papers indicating the side-effects of drugs (prescription and other). Suffice it to say that all (non-brain dead) scientists and clinicians, and many users agree that there are serious potential side-effects from most illegal/illicit/recreational drugs. See here for some ideas of how you can make your life (or death) more exciting if you are suicidal, terminally ill or just plain thick:

I dont understand why you are suggesting that i want to be suicidal, terminally ill or thick?

And regarding side effects, every drug as you state, including the prescription and legal ones indicate side effects, every leaflet you get with a drug warns you there could be side effects, from the contraception pill to athletes foot powder, the side of a packet of cigarettes etc etc most things in life come with some sort of side effect or risk. I am sure that taking a small amount of recreational and illegal drugs through ones own desicion isnt going to put me at deaths door, I got the information from my doctor about proof of permenant brain damage in human beings or organ damage as studies on humans havent been completed over a long enough length of time to prove it to be the case.

If you took drugs often at a rate of an addict I would say that you are on a downwards spiral into bad health, mentally and physically and definately spiritually. That is not the path i have taken all i have done is say that i have done some drugs in my life and had some positive experiences on them and actually, enjoyed the whole experience if that is classed as so bad and against all that this site stands for then i must have read the reason for the forum to express your opinions and experiences freely wrongly. I feel i am going to be tied to a steak and burnt next! thats after you have got me to nail myself to a floor and have all pursuaded me the usual solution is to commit suicide.

Any body else want to suggest any other laws or rules i have broken by expressing an opinion?
Or any good quotes from a few fortune cookies about truth not existing without existance etc etc?

Speaking of which isnt it in the bible in ezekiel that god says i give you all the seed bearing plants on earth to use? I am sure he wasnt on about a tomatoe plant crop.