Salvia Trip Meter
Salvia Trip Meter
Apr 14, 2004, 03:15 AM
Group: Full Member
Joined: Jun 17, 2003
Member No.: 255
I've never quite seen anything like this before, how cool It is a trip meter for Salvia Divinorum from legal-highs.org
Level -1 "S stands for SUBTLE effects." A feeling that something is happening, although it is difficulty to say just what. Relaxation and increased sensual appreciation may be noted. This mild level is useful for meditation and may facilitate sexual pleasure.
Level - 2 "A stands for ALTERED perception." Colors and textures are paid attention to. Appreciation of music may be enhanced. Space may appear of greater or lesser depth than is usual. But visions do not occur at this level. Thinking becomes less logical, and more playful; short term memory difficulties are may be noted.
Level - 3 "L stands for LIGHT visionary state." Closed eye visuals (clear imagery with eyes closed: fractal patterns, vine-like and geometric patterns, visions of objects and designs). The imagery is often two dimensional. If open eyed visual effects occur these are usually vague and fleeting. At this level phenomena similar to the hypnagogic phenomena that some people experience at sleep onset occur. At this level visions are experienced as eye candy but are not confused with reality.
Level - 4 "V stands for VIVID visionary state." Complex three dimensional realistic appearing scenes occur. Sometimes voices may be heard. With eyes open contact with consensual reality will not be entirely lost, but when you close your eyes you may forget about consensus reality and enter completely into a dreamlike scene. Shamanistic journeying to other lands, foreign or imaginary; encounters with beings, entities, spirits; or travels to other ages may occur. You may even live the life of another person. At this level you have entered the shamans world. Or if you prefer you are in dream time. With eyes closed you experience fantasies (dream like happenings, with a story line to them). So long as your eyes are closed you may believe they are really occurring. This differs from the eye candy closed eye imagery, of level 3.
Level - 5 "I stands for IMMATERIAL existence." At this level consciousness remains and some though processes are still lucid, but one becomes completely involved in inner experience and looses all contact with consensual reality. Individuality may be lost; one experiences merging with God/dess, mind, universal consciousness, or bizarre fusions with other objects real or imagined, e.g. merging with a wall may be experienced. At this level it is impossible to function in consensual reality, but unfortunately some people do not remain still but move around in this befuddled state. For this reason a sitter is essential to ensure the safety of someone voyaging to the inner levels. To the person experiencing this, the phenomenon may be terrifying or exceedingly pleasant; but to an outside observer the individual may appear confused or disoriented.
Level 6 - "A stands for AMNESIC effects " At this stage either consciousness is lost; or at least one is unable to later recall what one is experiencing. The individual may fall, or remain immobile or thrash around; somnambulistic behavior may occur; injuries can be sustained without pain being felt; on awakening the individual will have no recollection of what he/she did, experienced or said in level 6. People cannot ever recall what they experience in this very deep trance state. This is not a sought after level as later nothing can be recalled of the experience.
I've been to level 4, looking forward to level 5. Does anyone have similar scales for other drugs?
Oct 03, 2006, 04:54 PM
Group: Basic Member
Joined: Sep 26, 2003
From: nowhere and everywhere
Member No.: 601
I said "we do not know"whether water or salted water came first. Where is the illusion in that?
The chemical nature of water is not what I referred to as illusion, it is the separating of the many parts of the whole and the forcing of what is inherent in nature from nature by the analysis of changing perspectives and beliefs.
Logically, based on the history of scientific deduction any reasoning is subject to change. Therefore to make any subjective rule a constant, is illusory/temporary. Like insisting something is impossible because you have not experienced it or because it doesn't meet the current mores of a particular social mindset.
It seems that whatever you have decided is 'fact' (even though much of it does seem realistic in your posts) you make some statements which you refuse to withdraw or reconsider which are definitely not 'fact' and you are unable to accept that.You might be a bit more specific in defining what I say is fact and what you say is not.
Upon reflection, I realise that some of my statements can be wrong and gladly own up to that.
We are on a learning mission. We have to accept that sometimes we make statements which in the light of reconsideration may have been wrong. Failure to do so not only indicates inmmaturity it is harmful and weakens ones argumentative standpoint. It is not failure; it is recognition that humans sometimes make mistakes.
There are no mistakes only the manifest reflecting thought. There is no wrong in thought or the energy behind its existence.
I am human!
Youre just plain wrong... Ok all kidding aside, are you sure that is all that you are? I mean the water and bones that are contained in that fleshy bag will eventually wear out its usefulness and then what are you? are you a dead human then? But wait, when the bag of bones has turned to dust are you just a pile of dust? How about if you reduce yourself to a socially acceptable collection of molecules and even greater collection of atoms are you now a bunch of atoms and molecules?
I think "being human" is relatively misleading and undefined by any standard as an end all or finite statement.
I suspect that I may need to restate my definition of reality.
That which is Real is that which Truly exists when no human is present; ie., the Real world.
I also include all human thought and experience. These all really happen. They may only be symbolic, ie., a representation of the real world, (ie., not necessaarily good interpretations of the Real world) but nonetheless they really do occur in our brains.
I see.... would the not necessarily good apply to your feelings and clashing opinions that appear when you read my posts?
I know that some people believe that the world doesn't really exist at all. That is, it is supposed to be a total figment of our imagination! I do not concur with this idea for what should be obvious reasons to any thinker.
Thinking is not necessarily conducive to reality. Thoughts can often lead one from the truth as they can lead toward the truth.
Perception of truth is also relative to the ability to comprehend the truth. If you give a college physics book to a 3 year old they might think about what they have but not necessarily comprehend it as is something that might be considered more often when experiencing life and what is called reality.
Those that experience something greater of reality in the projection of ideas and the expanded self that cannot be contained also feel due to the obvious that the illusions of what is real are created from the straining the mind puts itself through in trying to do as the 3 year old would in making assumptions based on insufficient experience and a weak knowledge base of only 3 years.
If you could live for 100 years and you were to put all that time into discovering who you are would you have a grasp on reality or would your personal interests take you down a road that is finite in its focus and subject to ignoring anything that doesn't appeal to your liking?
If you feel you are scientifically inclined would you fail to seek the spiritual side of things because you feel it is illusion or if spiritually inclined would you ignore the scientific because it didn't appeal to you?
How do you determine balance from the perspective of being human?
I have talked about many things here which gives you room to avoid my specific questions.
I have spoken also of many things and you have failed to meet me in my own experiences but I don't expect you to be me. But I know you can close any self made gaps between us without the need for me to make a choice for you to do so.
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