Salvia Trip Meter
Salvia Trip Meter
Apr 14, 2004, 03:15 AM
Group: Full Member
Joined: Jun 17, 2003
Member No.: 255
I've never quite seen anything like this before, how cool It is a trip meter for Salvia Divinorum from legal-highs.org
Level -1 "S stands for SUBTLE effects." A feeling that something is happening, although it is difficulty to say just what. Relaxation and increased sensual appreciation may be noted. This mild level is useful for meditation and may facilitate sexual pleasure.
Level - 2 "A stands for ALTERED perception." Colors and textures are paid attention to. Appreciation of music may be enhanced. Space may appear of greater or lesser depth than is usual. But visions do not occur at this level. Thinking becomes less logical, and more playful; short term memory difficulties are may be noted.
Level - 3 "L stands for LIGHT visionary state." Closed eye visuals (clear imagery with eyes closed: fractal patterns, vine-like and geometric patterns, visions of objects and designs). The imagery is often two dimensional. If open eyed visual effects occur these are usually vague and fleeting. At this level phenomena similar to the hypnagogic phenomena that some people experience at sleep onset occur. At this level visions are experienced as eye candy but are not confused with reality.
Level - 4 "V stands for VIVID visionary state." Complex three dimensional realistic appearing scenes occur. Sometimes voices may be heard. With eyes open contact with consensual reality will not be entirely lost, but when you close your eyes you may forget about consensus reality and enter completely into a dreamlike scene. Shamanistic journeying to other lands, foreign or imaginary; encounters with beings, entities, spirits; or travels to other ages may occur. You may even live the life of another person. At this level you have entered the shamans world. Or if you prefer you are in dream time. With eyes closed you experience fantasies (dream like happenings, with a story line to them). So long as your eyes are closed you may believe they are really occurring. This differs from the eye candy closed eye imagery, of level 3.
Level - 5 "I stands for IMMATERIAL existence." At this level consciousness remains and some though processes are still lucid, but one becomes completely involved in inner experience and looses all contact with consensual reality. Individuality may be lost; one experiences merging with God/dess, mind, universal consciousness, or bizarre fusions with other objects real or imagined, e.g. merging with a wall may be experienced. At this level it is impossible to function in consensual reality, but unfortunately some people do not remain still but move around in this befuddled state. For this reason a sitter is essential to ensure the safety of someone voyaging to the inner levels. To the person experiencing this, the phenomenon may be terrifying or exceedingly pleasant; but to an outside observer the individual may appear confused or disoriented.
Level 6 - "A stands for AMNESIC effects " At this stage either consciousness is lost; or at least one is unable to later recall what one is experiencing. The individual may fall, or remain immobile or thrash around; somnambulistic behavior may occur; injuries can be sustained without pain being felt; on awakening the individual will have no recollection of what he/she did, experienced or said in level 6. People cannot ever recall what they experience in this very deep trance state. This is not a sought after level as later nothing can be recalled of the experience.
I've been to level 4, looking forward to level 5. Does anyone have similar scales for other drugs?
Oct 03, 2006, 10:27 AM
Group: Basic Member
Joined: Sep 26, 2003
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Member No.: 601
My problem right now is with the last post. While I saw much of it coming I was surprised by your tone, Joesus. While telling everyone else that we are "easily affected by the instability of an unfocused mind" and have "issues of self worth" and lead us to become defensive with you, but took and angry and defensive tone yourself. While your posts are often somewhat controversial on some level, they usually seem fairly detached, unbiased, calm and reserved. This post seemed angry, hostile, defensive, biased and actually fairly superficial compared to your other posts. When I review what was said about you prior to your post I can understand this, as many negative comments were made that might affect your "sense of self worth" since no one was agreeing with you... which can be a bad feeling, legitimately... but since you were condemning people for that I just wanted to point it out to you.
I have really enjoyed all of your posts and agree with you about many things. The one thing I don't agree with is insulting people and becoming angry at other's anger (when you are condeming their anger). I think the reason I wanted to respond to this and not to every other post I have ever disagreed with is because this is so different from your other posts. Don't get frustrated because everyone is not "on your level." Everyone's doing as well as they're doing.
I think this is what puts lindsay off too, when looking for God on the outside the mind wants to wrap itself around anything that is non threatening.
Most relationships are codependant relationships. One will hold back because another will take offense to another experessing themselves whether its emotionally or because they are hurting or expressing fear.
Typically at a young age our parents teach us to suppress our feelings because they have become uncomfortable in themselves in feeling anything. We are told don't cry or I'll give you something to cry about.
It becomes inappropriate to feel in certain places, such as a restaurant or a church or at work. Society says take your feelings and keep them to yourself and so when anyone expresses what sets another off is the shadow side of themselves, the part they cannot relate to in themselves and when it comes it threatens them.
The world is a big bad place, or so it would seem to most who try to live their lives behind closed doors and a picket faence with a gate that locks.
Generally more and more people are living in a box without getting to know their neighbors and escaping from the reality of personal reflections by sitting in front of the boob tube.
God/Self/the world as a reflection of human belief.. expresses itself regardless of what you might try and hide yourself from.
My Teacher often told me, "life is not a popularity contest", and sometimes it serves another to experience something you might judge as harsh or wrong. Why? Because there is nothing ever created that comes to you from separation. In the experience of union all comes from you as the expression of source, and as the source.
You can't reach that level of awareness by separating yourself from another or believing something you have created but experience outside of you is going to give you the experience of who you are without following it back to source.
Any thought can be traced back to its source as can any experience.
Drugs are one small part of infinite parts of creation.
There is no one thing that can expand your awareness of yourself unless it is the one underlying reality of the manifest creation.
If you follow a strand of hair to its end you will find your head but what is inside it is much more complex than the experience of following the hair to your scalp.
Drugs are like following a strand of hair to the scalp, they give you an experience and often the experience can be different and sometimes expanding if you can stay open to experiencing something new without thinking to yourself about the last time you did and expecting to bring the same first time experience into the next.
The reason most fail to increase their experiences with drugs is because the first time is new and unexpected. But like sex the first time is always the first time and the second can never be the first in the experience, so following the minds projection in creating the same or better experiences are built on desire and the projection of the minds idea of possibilities. It is not out of innocence that life is approached but out of fear and expectation.
Innocence is key in the expansion of consciousness because it allows for the ongoing flow of energy from all parts of God/consciousness with equal appreciation and respect.
Judgment, true judgment is recognising when God is separated into illusion and non illusion.
What is illusion and what is truth?
What do you fear and what is ultimate freedom?
If you are defensive and afraid of certain aspects or expressions of consciousness can you or will you ever find eternal peace and understanding of the Self/self? Not likely.
I appreciate your concern Bornadreamer and I hear a genuine voice that seeks to understand but I'm offering something more so you might see a line drawn in the sand and if you are willing to cross it or not.
Surrendering to God is not the same as surrendering to the ego. You don't have to like anything for like is relative to the personality and some like chocolate and others don't, there is nothing wrong with that and sometimes that is predetermined prior to inhabiting the body and the experience of this life. But acceptance and understanding of God does not come by identifying with likes and dislikes, and those who do will often close themselves off from God/consciousness to stay within the boundaries of those likes and dislikes and never venture beyond them to experience the essence of who they are.
If you want to peek into the mindand its connection as a mechanism that tunes into consciousness and temporarily expand the conscious experience then take drugs. tha'd be one choice.
Follow your happiness and you may come to experience the fullness of your desire. Desire often being limited by layers of perception usually when fulfilled is temporary, and the ego seeks to put you on a hamster wheel that keeps you running toward the next experience because the fulfillment wasn't permanent, or permanently expanding, the illusion of permanence is in the memory and sometimes that can be lost.
There is a difference in the affects of long term use of drugs, the body becomes immune to the affects and you have to take more to try and achieve what you experienced in the beginning.
Life is similar. When the identity is based in the ego you become immune to the subtlety of the source of the ego and your outward attention on the affects of the drug takes you away from the source of the heart, the original desire to discover more of yourself, you become lazy and filled with the memories of the past.
You can't teach an old dog new tricks and that means the more you program the mind with beliefs of reality the less you know from where reality comes and the further you are from conscious awareness of the Self.
Look at it another way, some have epiphanies when they reach their lowest point rather than their highest. The epiphany is a glimpse into reality that comes when the mind stops holding on to anything it has believed in in the past and dragged along with itself in each experience. The same experience can be reproduced by clearing the mind of its projections and programs through the discipline of meditation/prayer/focus, releasing stress from the body and expanding the mind pemanently.
Don't be so quick to assume anything. Allow your experiences to be what they are, feel your feelings but don't identify with them, witness them and get a glimpse of who you are behind the experience and the feelings.
Freedom is not in control but it can be found in discipline to keep yourself from identifying with the exerience and the feeling and to free yourself from limited judgments.
No one can stop the universe but the more we fear and put our attention on fear we try and manipulate it so that we can protect ourselves from it. That is not evolution, nor is trying to escape from it by using drugs or what we experience from others in their expressions and the greater expressions of the universe.
So...See it another way.
Get over yourself..
Get over IT...
Seek the truth. These are just words. Don't ever let a word take your freedom from you or allow it to threaten you or mislead you, they can be constructively used as tools and often they are misinterpreted because one hears from their internal programs rather than from the source from which they came.
If one can seek the infinite heart in all expressionsand discover it they can live in perfect harmlessness and also live and express anything without being violent to the universe.
The river flows towrad its source and sometimes it is slow and deep and seemingly non threatening, and at other times it can twist and turn and even speed up churning its waters into foam smashing itself against the rocks in and along its course but it never stops unless someone tries to dam it up. If that is the case its bound to find a way around it or over it, so there is never any stopping it, so why try. What is inevitable is inevitable. Tell someone not to do something and they are gonna do it anyway.
Wisdom comes from knowledge, but sometimes knowlede is based on false beliefs and so determining the stable truth takes a bit of discernment and often those who have no guidance are going to stumble through life making mistakes and gaining experience from it.
To some this is the meaning of being human, to make mistakes.
I think being human is often labeled and understood without understanding, from ideas that are set into belief systems that limit the potential rather than free it.
I don't judge people and what they do, say or feel, I allow the expressions of humanity in myself and in others. Unfortunately I have not the control to elevate others from their fear and need to control me and my freedom, nor will I step in between them and their choice. My expression cannot do that unless they believe it can in which case I usually hear plenty about it.
C'est la Vie..such is life and I just keep going with the river.
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