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Shawn
post Feb 05, 2004, 06:58 AM
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I noticed that on January 25, we broke the 1000 member mark. Now, just 10 days later, we have 1095 members. That's almost 100 members in just 10 days, which I think is quite remarkable. Regardless of how big this forum gets, though, let me assure everyone that its features and quality will scale with its growth. As always, any feedback, suggestions and even criticisms are encouraged and will be very much appreciated.
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post Feb 05, 2004, 07:03 AM
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Hey Shawn, Just wondering if the number of users is managed in any way? Do old/duplicate accounts get removed or do they hang around?

It might be worth writing a script to remove user accounts that have not been used for more than 6 months say?
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post Feb 06, 2004, 12:33 PM
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I hope the recent growth of visitors and members is indeed an indication that more people are seeking answers to fundamental questions that have not really yet been answered.
Man is inquisitive by nature, and seeks answers by trying solutions. When he does not find the Truth he adopts a belief [most likely answer]?

I also believe that some of the things which are still so obviously wrong in Society and civilisations today, are becoming more recognisable as education improves. People are seeking a better way of living for themselves and others, and the drive for an explosion in conciousness is justified.

Many ideas, proposals, criticisms, and references are quoted in the various topical discussions. I think it is a shame that we don't have some sort of collation / summary / Poll, so that readers can give their indications of agreement or otherwise with the points of view expressed.

I do realise that this is almost an impossible task. The search for the truth is akin to a growing tree with many branches and further sub-growths. The tree stops growing when the Truth tip shows! All other branches represent thoughts which became non-winners, except for the fact that they eliminated a particular line of enquiry and possibly stimulated a new main shoot.
Clear indications of current growths and the amount of support they have, would help to steer others away from dead branches [except for historic knowledge] and identify the fresh space left for future considerations.
And we must never forget that some people will want to stay with what they're happy with [some still sit on the 'Elvis is alive' branch].

Bring on the Truth !!!! and the more the merrier !!!
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post Feb 07, 2004, 11:27 AM
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Hey Shawn, Just wondering if the number of users is managed in any way? Do old/duplicate accounts get removed or do they hang around?
It might be worth writing a script to remove user accounts that have not been used for more than 6 months say?


hi Laz,
no, the number of users is not currently managed in any way, and old accounts do not get removed. I'm not sure what you mean by duplicate accounts, but it's not possible to have multiple accounts with the same username, though it is possible for an individual to open multiple accounts.

I'm not sure about writing a script to remove old user accounts. This is what hotmail, Yahoo, and other free email services do because user accounts take up disk space, but user accounts for our forum don't really take up any disk space, and so there wouldn't be any reason to really remove them. Also, if old accounts were deleted, then how would people feel if they revisited the forum in 6 or more months only to find out that their account has been deleted. In all, I don't think deleting old accounts is necessarily the thing to do, however, I do think that knowing who has been active within the last month or so would be worthwhile. To do this, I'd have to tweak the code that currently computes a list of active users in one day to show the list of active users within the past month, or past 6 months.
Thank you for the suggestion. I'll see what I can whip together this weekend.


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I hope the recent growth of visitors and members is indeed an indication that more people are seeking answers to fundamental questions that have not really yet been answered..... People are seeking a better way of living for themselves and others, and the drive for an explosion in conciousness is justified.
Many ideas, proposals, criticisms, and references are quoted in the various topical discussions. I think it is a shame that we don't have some sort of collation / summary / Poll, so that readers can give their indications of agreement or otherwise with the points of view expressed.  I do realise that this is almost an impossible task. The search for the truth is akin to a growing tree with many branches and further sub-growths. .... Clear indications of current growths and the amount of support they have, would help to steer others away from dead branches [except for historic knowledge] and identify the fresh space left for future considerations....  Bring on the Truth !!!! and the more the merrier  !!!


these are some nice thoughts, Bill. I agree that it would be an excellent idea to have polls, summaries, and collations. Let the tree grow, but let us remember that all branches of truth lead back to Unity, and that the synthesis of unity with multiplicity gives rise to a totality that takes us beyond both.

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post Mar 11, 2004, 08:34 PM
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past 1500 already? That's not so bad.
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here are some stats on that number, assuming that there exists a unique user for each member name

fully 2316 (77%) of users have never posted once using their member name
another 226 (7.5%) have posted only once using their member name
2759 (92%) have posted no more than 5 times using their member name

this leaves 241 users who have posted more than 5 times using their member name, which is still a solid number although not quite as amazing as 3000
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post Jul 14, 2004, 10:54 AM
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[dohtml]
Here's a bit more info concerning the numbers of members who have made certain numbers of posts:
<table cellpadding=10><tr><td><u>Posts</u><br></td><td><u># of members</u><br></td></tr><tr align=center><td>>10<br>>5<br>>4<br>>3<br>>2<br>>1<br>>0<br>=0</td><td align=center>179<br>241<br>270<br>310<br>371<br>458<br>684<br>2316</td></tr></table><br>
The magnitude of members with no posts is surprising. I'll have to think about this.
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post Jul 14, 2004, 02:07 PM
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The 3k mark is an amazing breakthrough in such a short time.

I was thinking a bit about the number of posts per member.

My first thought was that quality is more important than quantity.

The I realised in general, that :-

If you have nothing to 'say' you don't post.
If you have nothing to ask you don't post.
If the content seems 'above' you or 'below' you, you don't post.
If you don't post for feedback [eg. a poem you want airing] you don't post.

How many people sign up for membership in order to just read what others have written?
Does the site log monitor members who login without posting?
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post Jul 14, 2004, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE (rhymer @ Jul 14, 05:07 PM)
How many people sign up for membership in order to just read what others have written?

you don't need to be a member to view posts, though. The main advantage to being a member is having a constant identity, being able to edit posts, PM others, and access to a few additional pages at the site.

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Does the site log monitor members who login without posting?


No. Everyone's IP is automatically recorded for purposes of preventing/banning abuse, spam, bots, and trolls, but I do not spend time looking over such info, nor monitor where everyone goes on the site. I look at stats, like rankings of entry and exit pages, and referral info, every once in a while to get an idea of where visitors come from and what pages they tend to leave by. But I would have to be up day and night, 24/7, to monitor every page that individual visitors view, and that would be a really big waste of time, and so I'm content being unaware of such detailed info because it frees me up to do other things.
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3K!

Congratulations Shawn that is quite an accomplishment. It's also quite a statement on your ability as a communicator.
I think it also speaks broadly on the growing need in our world for better answers, and our hopes for a ‘brighter' tomorrow.

2316 members who have never posted once? That is a bit of a puzzler. I can understand visitors (guests) not posting, but to sign up and not even post a "Hello" is a mystery.

I had noticed most everyone is usually "viewing board index" whatever(wherever) that may be, and had me wondering if you hosted a secret sex chat room some place not listed on the forum page? ‘O) Now I'm guessing it's the "Recent Post" index?

Still, having nearly 700 active members is a forum administrators dream. I know, I have had three discussion boards of my own over the years, with never more than a dozen members, and usually ended up talking to myself before shutting them down, so I can appreciate your accomplishment.

But I do believe rhymer is correct. Those silent majority members are reading the thoughts of those who have something to say. They are reading, learning, and waiting for the right person to say the right things that will enlighten them and take them to the next level of consciousness.

I hope they will find what they are looking for.

Well done Shawn!

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post Jul 15, 2004, 02:26 AM
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Shawn well done, and to the other forum members also. Without the great posts and topics Im sure this numer would be considerably less. I am sorry that I havent posted as much as I'd like, but slowly my confidence is building and my motto " what other people think of you, is none of your business " proving to be a useful one.

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post Jul 21, 2004, 04:06 AM
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thank you, Chuck and Steve. There are still many improvements I'd like to introduce to the forum and site, though they will have to wait until I find more free time. Nonetheless, in my (occasionally) not-so-humble opinion, these forum stats are small time compared to what I have in mind.

thanks again, all of you, for your positive feedback and for enriching this forum.
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post Jul 21, 2004, 10:32 AM
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In time, Shawn, if you generate important breakthroughs in neuroscience I'm sure that your forum will have a much higher potential for spreading your gospel. At present, however, your site appears mostly to provide a forum for depressed people to engage in 'poetry' therapy. Unless you intend to become poet laureate, I would say that you are hard pressed to argue that such a community even partially fulfills your aim of generating a significant voice in the scientific (and, more specifically, the neuroscientific) community.
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In a sense you may be right Dan.

But, in my opinion, the information provided by such depressed people [as myself], and the help offered to others, or therapeutic benefits of their contributions make such posts a useful and important adjunct to the site.

Much of what is learned, albeit in more technical surroundings, about the human brain comes from information on the effects of dysfunction. I believe this information is relevant, though separate to the more specialist philosophical pats of the site.

All the best, Bill.
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you should split the neuroscience and poetry into separate forums or just get rid of poetry altogether
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I'm not saying that the poetry forum is somehow a waste, rather that it is largely distinct from the (I'm guessing) implied aim of this website of promoting the 'singularity' agenda as Shawn understands it. Supporting the local poetry community very well could be the most valuable thing Shawn is doing, in which case it should be of higher priority. However, If Shawn is primarily interested in successfully promoting his singularity agenda, he should not mistake the 'poetry' activity as evidence of progress of this agenda
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Umm...

Excuse me, gentlemen, but as Poet in Residence here and as one of the founders of this place, and also as a full member who is delighted to support this site financially, I really hope Shawn doesn't get rid of the poetry forum.

It means everything to me. I have worked very hard at making it the best it can be every day of my life since we started this place in January 2003.

Shawn has been a wonderful friend to me, and this is my home. We started this place with poetry, actually. I would be very sad indeed if I got the old heave-ho in this way of which you so coldly speak.

I believe that poetry is important in general, and enormously important to this place in particular. If you were to do away with the poetry forum, you would see a dramatic decrease in visits to the site. It is important to many, not only to me.

Shawn, my dear friend, please do not heed the advice of those who, unlike you, do not understand nor appreciate the importance of poetry.

Respect and Solidarity.

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Transcendental Sonnet #806:
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Said the sad man to the glad man
Must you always be so gay?
Said the glad man to the sad man
Must you always be so gray?

Said the bad man to the madman
Why don't you just go away?
Said the madman to the bad man
The glad man and the sad man:

My name is +Steven Curtis Lance
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I sing tell jokes and I can dance
I write sonnets by the score

Have a look give me a chance
Buy my book and I'll write some more

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QUOTE (+Steven Curtis Lance @ Jul 22, 01:34 AM)
Umm...

Excuse me, gentlemen, but as Poet in Residence here and as one of the founders of this place, and also as a full member who is delighted to support this site financially, I really hope Shawn doesn't get rid of the poetry forum.

(snip)

Namaste

Damn, I hate poetry!

So why can I not stop writing it! 'O)

May I suggest it might be time for a poll? Find out who is here for what.

I came here for the Philosophy, but I also posted in Poetry and Short Stories. I don't read them though! 'O)

When I log on anymore I go to the 'recent posts' and very seldom read any of the really long neuroscience stuff. I do read some of it though.
I guess because of the 'recent posts' option Shawn cannot tell who is interested in what, except when they post a reply.

Run a poll and find out who is interested in what.

I might also point out the way the forum is set up, unless you use the ‘recent posts' option, you already have different boards for the different topics.

I think what is bothering a few people is they feel embarrassed to be lumped on the same discussion forum along with "nut cases" and existentialist, when they are here for "hard" neuroscience! ‘O)

Shawn's "Introduction" to this forum is very philosophical in nature; which is what brought me here, but his stated "Purpose" for this web site is basically pure Neuroscience.
I was a little confused when I first posted, but I have since learned a little about neuroscience; of which I previously knew nothing at all.
By separating the different topics on completely different boards you miss the opportunity of introducing Neuroscience to a whole new audience.
Except for a few "nut cases," most of the people who come to this forum are intelligent and inquisitive. They Think, and enjoy being presented with something they can ‘chew on' mentally.
They may come for varied reasons, but soon or later they will be drawn into the neuroscience topic.
They can't help it, they have inquisitive minds!

One of the reasons this forum has so many members is because it has so many different topics. Shawn suckers them in with Philosophy, Science, Poetry, Art, Computers, Consciousness and other nonsense, then introduces them to Neuroscience! ‘O)


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actually, I like this forum just the way it is. However, I get a sense from Shawn that he actually intends for something a little different and I am drawing into view some distinctions that I see between what he has and what he apparently wants. I would be surprised if he were to change anything any time soon.
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I do not find my life's work to be "nonsense."

Would you?

In any case, I do not find mine to be so.

Shawn once promised me I would always have a home here. While I have no reason to doubt him, I hope he was telling me the truth, as I would appear to be in need of his support now more than ever.

If you would bother to read my work, you would see that I am at least good at it. I have studied, I work hard, and I have a good name. Do not blame me for the errant looneys who embarrass me even more than they do you; I do my best to deal with them on a daily basis, deleting and counseling as needed. Occasionally one is banned. We also have some absolutely breathtaking poets hereabouts, brilliant people whom I very much respect and admire. I work hard, every single day, to do my uttermost for this site. Shawn can tell you that. And not just poetry.

How did this entire forum come to be, anyway? Ask Shawn! It started with me, with my sister Dara and my dear friend Sander, and with poetry. Now my wife is with me here on the site as well, and that means everything to me.

Like the boll weevil in the old song, I'm "just a-lookin' for a home." I found and find my home right here.

I am a full member and I support this site, but the money is nothing compared to all the work I have contributed since January 22nd, 2003. It's easy for some "Unknown" to suggest that poetry be gotten rid of, but it is hard to build the poetry board, the forum, and the site into what it is today. Look at the numbers! You are being silly, as well as hurtful, if you fail to realize how important poetry has been, is, and will remain to this place. Mind-Brain.com is, whether you like it or not, in addition to being a neuroscience site, a poetry site. What's wrong with that? Why is poetry shameful? The reputation of Mind-Brain.com as a poetry site is excellent and widespread; this is something to be proud of, to celebrate. To think of this as shameful is ridiculous; excellence is always honorable.

If anyone deserves to be here, I deserve to be here, nor I am not going anywhere. I don't know who you people are, but I know who I am. You'll have a bloody hell of a time getting rid of me! And then, should you succeed, you'll miss me, and realize you made a mistake. No good would come of this. It would crush my spirit, not that you would care, and it would also greatly diminish this site, about which you would appear to care. But I doubt you could care as much as I do. I was "present at the creation" of this forum. My life is invested in it to a degree which yours is not; I think only Shawn could care as much about this place as I do.

How did I come here in the first place? For neuroscience, interestingly enough. When I was nineteen years old I got the mumps; I was surprised, since I thought I had gotten the mumps out of the way in childhood. But I had only had them on one side. So I had the mumps, and I developed a terrible, life-threatening case of encephalitis. I was in a coma for a few weeks and actually died. Somehow I came back, different, but able to write poetry and music. The brain damage was extraordinary; recovery was quite a challenge and a struggle, and I am on Social Security for life and remain quite mentally-disabled (can't you tell?), but I devoted the next ten years at university to learning all I could of my newly-enhanced abilities. I am what used to be called an "idiot-savant," actually, although now we are only supposed to say the "savant" part (occasionally, however, people say the former part without the latter, in reference to me; you may be among these). I had and have a need to do my very best, to be "useful," having come back from the dead, as it were. I felt and feel a great sense of purpose about my life. I have had quite a career since as a composer of classical choral music, with a few hundred publications, and I have always written and published poetry. The past two years I have been especially concentrating on poetry, and it was two years ago, when this quest first began to see what could be done with the art of poetry if I gave it my full attention, that I was drawn to Mind-Brain.com.

I first came for the neuroscience but immediately noticed the poetry. Specifically, I was drawn to the "Post Your Poetry" feature, where, indeed, I posted my poetry. Meanwhile I was reading about neuroscience elsewhere on the site, seeking answers to my questions as to how my brain, destroyed as it had been by infection, swelling, and fever, was able to function at all. Shawn used to write to me about the poems I had posted. He liked them. We became friends. I was Poet in Residence and Moderator at VoicesNet.com, and Shawn was a member there. I got thrown off for being, ostensibly, too liberal. Shawn created this forum for me as a new and safe home.

I love it here, and I have worked hard to make this place the best it can be. I deserve to stay here, and to be left in peace to do my work. I don't need the insecurity of this speculation. If it helps at all with those of you who think what I do to be "nonsense," my wife has a doctorate in mathematics, as well as one in history; she is also a wonderful poet and artist in several media. Me, I'm just a purveyor of "nonsense." But I'm good at it, and I have made and make this place better. I "carry my weight," and I deserve to remain, if not appreciated then at least in security.

Having made that clear, I wish you well; I have work to do on the poetry board.


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I would have so much more now to show you
Had I been but left in peace to grow you
Those sonnets of my fancy undisturbed
Instead of being bothered and perturbed

Perhaps I can make up for lost time now
And write about how I love you somehow
Forgetting those who do not love nor see
The tongue of love is this our poetry

Should poetry offend then let it be
Defending the offense that it be me

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post Jul 23, 2004, 07:56 AM
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Dan, you've read my intentions well. Mind-Brain.com will be much more focused on neuroscience and consciousness, and I have considered having an altogether separate site for poetry and other items. I see no reason why we all can't have the best of both worlds or why anyone should feel slighted. Having a separate site for poetry and other items will mean the site can be dedicated to that, whereas Mind-Brain.com can be dedicated to its objective, as stated on the main page (though in need of updating). It is all a question of will, and it is simply a matter of having (and garnering) enough will to accomplish these things. It's too easy to blame lack of time for our inability to do things, and so I will do my best not to fall back on that excuse.

First, let me just say that having a separate site for poetry and other things will not mean that anything posted here in this forum (or elsewhere on the site) will be lost. Back-ups of this forum (and the site) are now a regular thing. It is an easy matter to transfer poetry and other topics to a new site with a new forum, including the current member account details. In essence, this forum would be split into two forums (one here at mind-brain.com and the other at a different site), each initially mirror images of the other, and then each would be trimmed down to include those boards and posts that are relevant for that given site, resulting in two unique forums, one dedicated to the objective of this site, and the other dedicated to all other matters.

The only real issue preventing this from happening is lack of financial resources. It will cost a minimum of $70 to get good webhosting (about $50 per 6 months) and to purchase a domain name (about $10-20 for 1 yr). There is still the issue of deciding on a domain name (though this is rather minor). Perhaps holding a poll would help, or at any event, getting feedback and suggestions from others.

Another thing: both sites will be more community oriented. This is the direction that Mind-Brain.com has headed towards since its humble/humorous beginnings as a personal/vanity site, and which I think it has significantly achieved in its current form. But much more can and will be done in this regard.

As Dan correctly noted, nothing will be done immediately, and probably not within the next couple of weeks, with regard to the creation of a separate site for poetry and other things, and the focusing of Mind-Brain.com. When the starting costs are met, that will be the time. Those involved with the poetry (and miscellany) site can be expected to have much more say regarding the organization of the site and the content displayed. And the same will be true of those involved with the new Mind-Brain.com. Thus, we will have the best of both worlds.
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I would like to clarify a few things about the moving of the poetry and miscellany items to a separate site:

First, everything (including forum boards, posts, and other designated pages on the site) that gets moved from here will flow over seamlessly onto the new site.

I am not in any way exiling poetry. It is because the poetry has grown so large and popular that I think it deserves a separate site all to itself.

All membership accounts, at the time of the splitting, will be mirrored on both sites, so that if you have special membership status at Mind-Brain.com, you will also retain it at the new site.

I still have to work out the financial side of things. Specifically, $70 will have to be garnered for the creation of the new site. I know this sounds like a trivial amount, but money is sufficiently tight for me at the moment that I cannot, in good conscience, pay for it myself. So, any contributions would be welcome and will be used exclusively for the new site, unless otherwise stated.

I am not certain when the new site will be created since it is dependent on overcoming the financial barrier. It could be as early as a couple of weeks. However, I am certain that it will be done by the end of this year.

Also, we need to work out what the new site should be called. If you have any ideas, please PM me or post them here. At some point, we should probably take a vote on the different possibilities.

And finally, I would just like to say that I have no doubt that splitting the site will be a good thing because then each site will be able to focus more on their strengths, and they will be all the better because of it.
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post Jul 28, 2004, 03:29 AM
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Dear Shawn & Co.

It saddens me to read this thread, it really does. It just goes to prove one very sad but true fact of life here on this (dare I say it ) God forsaken world :-

1. An idea is born
2. The original founders work their butts off and it becomes established
3. The idea takes off and attracts attention
4. The dream behind the idea becomes more of a reality
5. The reality of the idea becomes more and more popular
6. The idea evolves to compensate for the added interest
7. The evolution of the idea takes flight and even attracts unexpected (unwanted?) interest
8. The "purists" then begin to "notice" the interest in the in the evolving branches of the original idea(s)
9. The "purists" then begin to build their defensive walls of reason to establish a clear distinction between what they perceive as being the "original" idea and the subsequent evolutionary branches formed as a consequence of the popularity of the original idea.
10. This thread is born
11. The once welcome evolutionary branches become a point of contention
12. The "founding fathers" have to appease the "purists"
13. A solution is found to the problem : an irrevocable split.


This is yet another case of history repeating itself, please allow me to explain.

This principle has been seen throughout our history, especially within the religious and political spectrums. All to often an idea / ideal / philosophy etc.. takes form and becomes popular. The more popular it becomes the chance that it evolves beyond the original becomes greater and greater. It then falls prey to its own popularity and can quite easily become chaotic. To stem the rise of this unfortunate consequence, puritanical thought is born, the human need to fight for the original principle and avoid change at all costs.
In the "real world" (I use the term losely ) this leads to what we call "fundamentalists" who in turn breed discontent as they think the evolutionary traits of the idea should be static.

We then reach the classic consequence faced by all ideas :

Do we embrace the evolutionary patterns and compensate ?
Do we remain pure to the original idea and dismiss the evolutionary traits ?
Do we allow a split to occur thus promoting segratation ?

This may seem somewhat "off topic" and not true to the thread but please ( in true advocational expressionism ) indulge me, it will all make sense by the end of this post.


I first came across this forum in April this year (2004) whilst I was looking for a place on the net that could not only give me a subject matter that didnt contain "old-boy" schools of thought within a philosophical spectrum, but welcomed and encouraged new schools.
When I loaded the welcome page of this site for the first time, I swear ( I do that occasionally ) something inside of me said, this place stands out from the rest.

As I browsed the content fo the forum I couldnt believe it when I saw it contained a poetry section.
Poetry ! In a forum of neural science and philosophy ? Have I died and gone to ......... ? ( please fill in the blanks according to your own belief )

Are you people aware of how rare this site is ???
Do you have any inclination of what it means, for the first time to be able to converse/communicate with people who can (this is the amazing bit) transcend the gap or should I say chasm between the two hemispherical abilities ??

It made a change from hitting thousands of forum sites filled to the brim with adolescent subject matter about popular thought and trends.

I read all the separate forums available, printed reams of paper out for closer study, relished the differences of opinions that were banded around the different subject matter, read in awe the propostional thinking of the learned and the not so learned within the members.... etc

I also met some very like-minded people, some very opposing viewpoints and some very very interesting subjects that I hadnt even dreamed of entering into before.

I have no means whatsoever to finacially support this forum, ( if my present situation was different I would ) as all good philosophers, free-thinkers and poets, I am dirt poor and just to make matters worse, homeless. I officially have an email address and thats about it.
This forum is my alpha and omega, it made me feel welcome, it woke me up to the singularity theory, it has caused me no end of problems as I discuss this forum with others I meet on my travels, yet whenever I log in, it sort of feels like "going home".

Now I see the forum is becoming more and more popular, I have recommended it to scores of people and even though they might not have become members, I know for a fact they have also recommended it to thier own social network.

I prided myself somewhat in recommending it to some very accomplished members of my own social network, and the feedback it gave has only been positive. They too found the blend of scientific fact, philosophical debate matter and creative subject matter ( hereunder poetry, short stories etc.. ) to be one worthy not only of a glance, but serious study.
A close friend of mine who is a teacher, has recommended it to her students based upon the unique blend this site offers.

The point I am trying to make is very simple. The interesting and unique blend this site offers is what makes it so damned good.
Splitting off into branches (seperate sites etc..) only leads to the advent of segregation between what once was a whole but is now a halve (its only an expression, dont take it literally)

Unknowns who think that the poetry forum is a waste of time are denying the fact that we as humans are capable of creative thought beyond that which is taught.

The site in my humble opinion is in no need whatsoever of a "face-lift" or change from its present form. It obviously is a hit as the ever growing popularity becomes more and more evident.
People who log in to peruse the scientific theories the singularity offers stay within those areas in the site. The people who log in to peruse the philosophical subject matter, likewise stay within that area of the site etc........

If the poetry part of the forum offends or becomes a point of contention for any member then may I offer them a solution ?

Don't read that part of the site.

Please Shawn do not change the site in anyway, embrace the rush of interest, people will read what they want and say what they want, just remember a few simple facts : the more popular the site is, the more ground you cover in promoting the singularity theory.
The more avenues you open for free thinking, the more interest you create.

This site became popular as is.

I wish I had more time to write a better formulated arguement but this PC is in a job centre and I am breaking the rules ( as usual ) by even writing this piece, and others want to use it.

I hope that my point got across as is, if not try this :

Dear Shawn : If it isnt broke, dont fix it !!!!!!!!!

-J-
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post Jul 28, 2004, 07:04 AM
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Hear, hear!
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post Jul 28, 2004, 07:17 AM
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QUOTE (-J- @ Jul 28, 12:29 PM)
If it isnt broke, dont fix it !!!!!!!!!

I agree with -J-.......

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post Jul 28, 2004, 07:26 AM
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And to those of you who find poetry embarrassing:

I am the "someone" who "has kindly provided the needed money."

I am a disabled man who "lives" on eight hundred dollars a month sent me by a grudging Bush administration. I gave one eighth of this for this good cause because the alternative is mere oblivion for my life's work hereabouts.

(I am probably screwing everything up by saying anything about this, but my feelings have been hurt, and I think you would all understand if you knew the whole story.)

So my daughter will get nothing but my love for her twenty-first birthday, but she will understand, and perhaps the good name of poetry will be preserved until the next round of embarrassment, to fight another day.
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