 The Self In The Brain |
| enlightened_master |
 Jan 11, 2004, 08:01 PM
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Here's some food for thought, an excerpt from an article in Time magazine from July 17 on the mind and the brain, called "Glimpses of the Mind": Despite our every instinct to the contrary, [which is a tacit admission we already know what is right here and we have to deny] there is one thing that consciousness is not. Some entity deep inside the brain that corresponds to the self. Some kernel of awareness that runs the show as the man behind the curtain manipulating the illusion of a powerful magician in the Wizard of Oz. After more than a century of looking for it, brain researchers have long since concluded that there is no conceivable place for such a self to be located in the physical brain and that it simply doesn't exist |
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| Dan |
Jan 12, 2004, 01:36 PM
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this sounds like a wonderful discussion in itself. Do you have any ideas on this 'matter'? 
I'm not sure what you mean here; can you rephrase? |
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enlightened_master The Self In The Brain Jan 11, 2004, 08:01 PM
Dan I believe this 'dude in the brain' is refe... Jan 11, 2004, 09:32 PM purkinje I think you mean 'homunculus'. Can you p... Jan 12, 2004, 06:35 AM rhymer I can accept that 'self' may well not be ... Jan 12, 2004, 09:21 AM Dan
The structure that defines the mind undoubtedly ... Jan 12, 2004, 09:36 AM purkinje I like your ideas rhymer.
but one of the key... Jan 12, 2004, 11:53 AM Idd Yeah, more from purkinje about the ego. Individual... Feb 08, 2004, 11:42 AM purkinje
Individuality of consciousness, in the sense of e... Feb 08, 2004, 12:18 PM Idd Through psychadelics, yea I have. But I'm not ... Feb 09, 2004, 09:27 AM Dan yes indeed, there is no promise of positive consci... Feb 11, 2004, 08:40 AM Joesus All roads lead to the same place, some just take l... Feb 11, 2004, 11:30 AM Walter Individuality of consciousness, in the sense of ex... May 30, 2004, 08:00 PM Alex
It all comes to the universanl mind, my friend.
... May 30, 2004, 08:03 PM onecross31 just like the motherboard of your pc , the mind is... Jul 11, 2004, 10:28 PM Guest
No, no, no. Taking your motherboard/pc analogy,... Jul 13, 2004, 05:36 AM tnolley
DNA handles that quite nicely.
Or are you sugge... Nov 09, 2004, 12:40 PM Unknown #20135 tnolley the brain, part of our greater mind, can i... Nov 25, 2004, 05:38 AM flowerfairy
well what i don't get is that we must have a... Feb 06, 2005, 06:44 PM Dan where does the universe exist? Feb 10, 2005, 02:12 PM Rajesh
Universe exists in consciousness! Feb 12, 2005, 03:23 AM Dan where does consciousness exist? Feb 12, 2005, 06:26 PM Unknown
'where' is a form of consciousness, so t... Feb 12, 2005, 06:28 PM Unknown consciousness does not exist
it is only the act o... Feb 13, 2005, 02:55 PM Dan
that makes sense to you? Feb 13, 2005, 03:09 PM Dan
then the 'observer' exists, right? Feb 13, 2005, 03:14 PM Unknown
that makes sense to you? [/quote]
topologically ... Feb 13, 2005, 03:24 PM Dan if there is no 'where' that consciousness ... Feb 13, 2005, 03:53 PM Unknown the collective consciousness is where our individu... Feb 13, 2005, 05:06 PM Dan is this the same 'unknown'? Feb 13, 2005, 06:06 PM Unknown There is only conciseness, the One conciseness, th... Feb 13, 2005, 07:40 PM Dan If there is only One consciousness, then you do no... Feb 13, 2005, 08:04 PM Rajesh
It is consciousness, which gives 'existence... Feb 14, 2005, 06:41 AM Rajesh
Everything exists in the same consciousness where... Feb 14, 2005, 07:20 AM Rick Physical objects have locations. Consciousness has... Feb 14, 2005, 01:06 PM rhymer It seems to me that consciousness exists only with... Feb 14, 2005, 03:45 PM Dan
I do not exist in consciousness, I am conscious. ... Feb 14, 2005, 06:37 PM Dan
If consciousness both exists and has no 'plac... Feb 14, 2005, 06:50 PM Dalei You, the consciousness, create Dan and any other s... Feb 14, 2005, 09:06 PM Dan if I am not aware of your experience, then your ex... Feb 14, 2005, 09:10 PM Unknown Dan,
Use your ‘spidey sense’… develop it, t... Feb 15, 2005, 09:26 AM Dan my b.s. meter is drowning out my spidey sense at t... Feb 15, 2005, 10:11 AM Unknown smiles at ya Feb 15, 2005, 10:47 AM Dan fuzzy! Feb 15, 2005, 11:12 AM Unknown just because you cannot see what someone sees does... Feb 15, 2005, 03:07 PM Unknown infact we share the same experience of being consc... Feb 15, 2005, 03:10 PM Dan
I am either aware of something or I am not. I c... Feb 15, 2005, 03:52 PM rhymer
It all depends on what you mean by "aware o... Feb 15, 2005, 04:04 PM Rajesh
I do not exist in consciousness, I am conscious. ... Feb 16, 2005, 07:47 AM Dan
I am not an object of perception, I perceive obje... Feb 16, 2005, 08:42 AM Soma
If consciousness both exists and has no 'plac... Feb 17, 2005, 07:17 AM Rajesh
I do not think 'time-division' multiplex... Feb 17, 2005, 07:49 AM Dan
'emergent properties' are perceived prope... Feb 17, 2005, 11:10 AM flowerfairy well, my theory is that we are like molecules that... Feb 17, 2005, 01:24 PM Unknown in that view there is no 'apple', only spe... Feb 17, 2005, 03:01 PM Rick
The conclusion does not follow from the premise.... Feb 21, 2005, 01:06 PM Unknown it is inconsistent to say that a property (conscio... Feb 21, 2005, 02:23 PM Dan that was me Feb 21, 2005, 02:24 PM Rick
Ever heard of immaterial objects? They have no ma... Feb 21, 2005, 02:30 PM Dan it's basic logic, Rick. I'm surprised tha... Feb 21, 2005, 02:37 PM rhymer Surely, consciousness does exist within the person... Feb 21, 2005, 02:39 PM Rick Categorizing my reply as a rant is an ad hominem a... Feb 21, 2005, 02:42 PM Dan whatever you say, Rick Feb 21, 2005, 02:43 PM Rick That's not a valid argument either. I am no au... Feb 21, 2005, 02:45 PM Dan
what about 'intrinsic properties' of phys... Feb 22, 2005, 10:20 AM Rick
Consciousness as a property of matter is a viabl... Feb 22, 2005, 11:14 AM Dan consciousness does not have 'materiality' ... Feb 22, 2005, 11:31 AM Rick
Charges and their resulting fields are described... Feb 22, 2005, 01:28 PM Dan the property 'charge' does not occur in is... Feb 22, 2005, 02:04 PM Rick
This sounds like panpsychism, which has not foun... Feb 22, 2005, 04:47 PM Dan
hence 'time-division' of a single 'e... Feb 22, 2005, 07:34 PM Rick
That the whole universe is one thing does not ex... Feb 23, 2005, 11:29 AM Unknown you may not be the entire universe but you help mo... Feb 23, 2005, 02:25 PM Rick Can't argue with that, but I was hoping to add... Feb 23, 2005, 02:29 PM Dan
the multiplicity of events occurs in the single u... Feb 23, 2005, 02:48 PM Trip like I do
No arguement, just a side note. Feb 23, 2005, 05:06 PM Trip like I do The self in the brain and the brain in the cosmos.... Feb 23, 2005, 05:11 PM Trip like I do Traces of time's beginning can be found buried... Feb 23, 2005, 07:49 PM Trip like I do
Quantum Jumps? Feb 23, 2005, 08:01 PM Trip like I do Liberated photons, created when atoms initially fo... Feb 23, 2005, 08:17 PM flowerfairy
how would one describe the universe before trans... Feb 24, 2005, 10:55 AM Trip like I do Yes, so what was the state of the universe?
For... Feb 24, 2005, 08:08 PM Trip like I do From a neuroscientist perspective as opposed to a ... Feb 24, 2005, 08:12 PM Trip like I do Awareness arises:
How does consciousness emerge f... Feb 24, 2005, 08:19 PM Trip like I do Two forms of consciousness:
Background - encompas... Feb 24, 2005, 08:52 PM Hey Hey
If consciousness both exists and has no 'plac... Feb 24, 2005, 09:23 PM Rick
An indefinite location at best. Imagine imaginin... Feb 25, 2005, 09:27 AM Dan and there are good arguments for how belief in (a)... Feb 25, 2005, 10:20 AM Rick And there are arguments about how false beliefs ca... Feb 25, 2005, 11:41 AM Trip like I do TRUTH! Feb 25, 2005, 02:26 PM Rick There you have it. Begone false comforts. Feb 25, 2005, 02:34 PM Hey Hey
So maybe everyone is a zombie or a robot and the... Feb 25, 2005, 03:21 PM rhymer Relax Hey Hey,
Consciousness is within the body a... Feb 25, 2005, 04:00 PM Dan
in cave man days, chasing the pot of god at the e... Feb 25, 2005, 04:19 PM Rick Truth is better than money. Feb 25, 2005, 04:31 PM Trip like I do Absolute TRUTH!
Not my truth, not Rick's ... Feb 25, 2005, 04:49 PM rhymer
in cave man days, chasing the pot of god at the e... Feb 25, 2005, 04:50 PM Trip like I do
I don't know Rick, is there no comfort in ab... Feb 25, 2005, 04:51 PM Dan everybody believes in the virtue of absolute truth... Feb 25, 2005, 04:53 PM
Dan
yeah, God's pot is da' bomb Feb 25, 2005, 04:55 PM |
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