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post Mar 01, 2005, 07:26 PM
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if i tell a lie then it is the truth that i have just lied.
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post Mar 02, 2005, 07:53 AM
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If you tell a lie, it is true that you told a lie!

So, your words (the lie) were a falsehood and you truly spoke the words - no problem!
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post Mar 02, 2005, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE (Hey Hey @ Mar 01, 12:02 AM)
So there is no life after death then?

Not for the individual that dies. Death for an individual is the end of his life. Many religions falsely profess otherwise in order to attract believers. Hoodwinking the naive is evil. It takes unfair advantage of the human tendancy toward wishful thinking and causes unnecessary harm. Distracted by false belief, the victim ignores chances to get a proper grip on reality.
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post Mar 02, 2005, 06:38 PM
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you got that right. Without promises by Allah of eternal life and 72 virgins for the faithful martyr, the 'suicide' bomber would be a negligible problem.
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post Mar 15, 2005, 09:53 PM
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QUOTE (Rick @ Mar 02, 03:39 PM)
QUOTE (Hey Hey @ Mar 01, 12:02 AM)
So there is no life after death then?

Not for the individual that dies. Death for an individual is the end of his life. Many religions falsely profess otherwise in order to attract believers. Hoodwinking the naive is evil. It takes unfair advantage of the human tendancy toward wishful thinking and causes unnecessary harm. Distracted by false belief, the victim ignores chances to get a proper grip on reality.

you do not know what happens to people after they die any better than a christian priest or a 3-year-old child does.
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post Mar 16, 2005, 12:11 PM
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Yes I do. To paraphrase Newton, if I have seen further than some it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants.
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post Mar 16, 2005, 02:30 PM
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Bernard de Chartes, "Latecomers are dwarfs atop the shoulders of giants. However tiny they may be, from their vantage point they can see a little further than their mighty predecessors." (The Analects of Confucius - Simon Leys)

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post Mar 16, 2005, 02:34 PM
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I'd rather be on the shoulder of a giant than under his foot.
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post Mar 16, 2005, 02:40 PM
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I'd rather be the giant and smack all the butt-kissing poseurs off of my shoulders
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post Mar 16, 2005, 05:11 PM
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so who are these giants whoes shoulders you are standing on who have the supernatural powers of seeing what happens to people when they die?
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post Mar 17, 2005, 09:06 AM
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I don't believe in giants!

People don't exist before they are born.
People don't exist when they die.
Memories remain for those remaining,(and hopes and wishes for many).
These are some of my beliefs.
Do not accept them unless they suit you and your experience!
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post Mar 17, 2005, 09:14 AM
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QUOTE (flowerfairy @ Mar 16, 06:11 PM)
so who are these giants whoes shoulders you are standing on who have the supernatural powers of seeing what happens to people when they die?

Here's the point: there is no supernatural. Rationalist giants include Copernicus, Gallileo Gallilei, Gotfried Leibnitz, Isaac Newton, and Baruch Spinoza.
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post Mar 17, 2005, 02:28 PM
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Da Vinci. Michealangelo, van Gogh and Picasso, are the giants of the art industry.
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post Mar 17, 2005, 03:07 PM
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Don't forget Willem DeKooning, Jackson Pollock, and Robert Rauschenberg. I like abstract expressionism.
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post Mar 18, 2005, 06:03 AM
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QUOTE (rhymer @ Mar 17, 09:06 AM)
I don't believe in giants!

Do not accept them unless they suit you and your experience!


thank you rhymer, that is exactly what i was getting at. i believe in most of your beliefs rick, but i do not believe in your belief that your beliefs are more than beliefs.
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post Mar 18, 2005, 09:53 AM
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How can one do mathematics if one doesn't believe that proof is more than belief?
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post Mar 18, 2005, 02:49 PM
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QUOTE (Rick @ Mar 17, 06:07 PM)
Don't forget Willem DeKooning, Jackson Pollock, and Robert Rauschenberg. I like abstract expressionism.

You'd love my work then, Rick.

e-mail me youir e-mail adress and I'll e-mail you a few images, see what you think.
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post Mar 18, 2005, 05:44 PM
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The artist employs illusion and metaphor.

The physicist uses number and equation.

Revolutionary art and visionary physics are both investigations into the nature of reality.
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It's the quintessential quest for essential reality, transport into endless emptiness, where you sense around you the creative points of the universe.
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post Mar 18, 2005, 06:16 PM
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It's the work of giants that enable us to live in the world we live in today, with its comforts and perks, and yes, with it's adversities as well. I'm grateful to the work done by my predecessor giants, but no longer am I a dwarf standing upon the shoulders of giants, but a man walking tall with a clear concrete vision from God intact.
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post Mar 18, 2005, 06:21 PM
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People expect a great work of art to develop their minds by expressing and clarifying the best thoughts of great men and women of their own and earlier times.
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post Mar 28, 2005, 07:00 AM
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QUOTE (Rick @ Mar 18, 09:53 AM)
How can one do mathematics if one doesn't believe that proof is more than belief?

mathematics do not say that C is true because A=B. mathematics say that if A=B then C is true.
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post Mar 28, 2005, 10:04 AM
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the higher you climb, the harder your fall (or better, landing!).
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post Dec 30, 2006, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE(Dan @ Feb 14, 2005, 06:50 PM) *
Maybe we should think in terms of a 'raster' man who cycles through all available conscious states in a temporally serial fashion (time-division-multiplexing of consciousness into a finite number of disjoint histories).

that's a rather exotic idea, but it would make more sense if this 'raster' man goes through available conscious states in a parallel fashion instead of a serial fashion. In this way, you don't deal with the problem of temporally oscillating identities.


QUOTE(Rick @ Feb 23, 2005, 11:29 AM) *
Also, the time-division multiplexing thing seems to require a central processor to orchestrate individuals' "turns in the barrel." Consciousness seems to be running on multiple parallel processors (brains).

Exactly
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post Mar 05, 2010, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE(Dan @ Jan 12, 2004, 12:32 AM) *

I believe this 'dude in the brain' is referred to as the 'homonculus'. If there is no homonculus, then the 'mind' must be non-local. If the mind is non-local, it must be a property of the universe itself
I'm bypassing a lot of relevant post but I have my own approach to the above statement.

Technically this is a fallacy of composition. A huge range of physical quantities are not contained in the individual parts that makes it. Sound is nonexistent in individual air molecules. Temperature is nonexistent in individual air molecules. Water waves are nonexistent in individual water molecules. Yet none of these quantities are a property of the Universe outside the mediums (water, air, etc.) they occur in. Why then insist that because consciousness doesn't exist in individual neurons it must be a property of the Universe as a whole? Just like the above properties, consciousness requires a medium of neurons just like sound, temperature, etc., requires a medium that does not contain the property in the individual parts.
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