Is Mind Our God??? Options

[koushik_india]

Mind is God.If all of us try to make it pure no religion will be required on earth.What  does religion teach us ?nothing but to make our mind sin-less.But the nature has provide our mind with two different types of instincts one to fight for our existance(survival of the fittest) another is pitty,love etc.BUT HOW CAN WE COMBINE THE
BOTH?
As the child of the nature we have to fight for our existance-and yet this is the rule of the earth .If we  become fully a good hearted people will cheat us again if we deviate from our purity of mind we will not be reach our goal .THEN WHAT SHOULD WE DO ????
My humble request is please inform me any philosophy which give me the answer(Except Geeta which I have already gone through and got some wide conception).
Good Day and namaste.

[synchronox]

Koushik,

Most people go either to the left side of their brains and become logical, practicle and word oriented or
to the right side, becoming esoteric, ethereal, symbolic.  The one path leads to the physical world with earthly goals.  The other to Godly acheivement, talking about union with God and a withdrawal from earthly pleasures and pain.
Just by saying this is to recognize we have both capabilities to choose from.
My impression is to blend both paths.  The way is the middle path way.  To seek the wisdom of each and blend them into some workable format that allows us to make the best possible world while recognizing the awe of this world and we have a long path to travel.
To use both vision and reason simultaneously.
Welcome,
John

[joe]

I agree but how do you do that and then as you apply the logical with the spatial what is born of that union?
If you try to apply the singular aspects of both, all you could hope to achieve in the attempt to blend two beleifs is to try and support two beliefs that didn't by themselves work in the first place into some kind of integration of separate ideals.

First a known of the reality of the combined halves must exist and second a method to achieve it?

Or you wait till the clock strikes twelve and magic happens.

The Gita, the Upanishads, the Brahma Sutras, the Bible, Chiltons motor manual for datsun owners and einstiens theory of relativity were dictated by individuals that related their experiences of what life is and how it works. From the relative, to the infinite, to the timing of a datsun 510 sedan.
Each individual who searches must find what they seek. This is Gods law. Never in pride rely on your own strength, help will follow sincere desire if you but allow it, and when you least expect it.
Most try from their repeated failures and attempts to answer the question when the answers are continually being presented. In our own pride we apply the same reasoning that hasn't fulfilled us in the past to try and fulfill us now and in the future.
Once you admit your logical mind knows nothing then the infinite mind has room to come in. Follow the heart and ignore the head and you will find what you seek.

[synchronox]

My answer lies in something Carl Jung pointed out, in part.
The essense of what he said is to hold the tension of opposites.  Resist the temptation and pull to go to any polar opposite.  Sit in the middle.  If you hold that tension long enough a third thing will happen.  This is the transcendent function.
Now, how I put this into practice.  I recognize that half of my capabilities reside in the linear and logical viewpoint given to me by left brain activities.  My ego is the organizing principle of this world.

My polar opposite world is represented by the activities of the right brain.  This portion of me is the visionary part.  It is the receiver and contact part for the invisible world of energy that surround us.  We can focus it just like tuning in a radio station.  What resides here is manifold and awesome in scope and dimension.  Archetypes that rule this world, for instance, programs that we have enlivened in order to survive during this life time, who we should be-our natural selves. God.
In other words this is the arena of the unconscious-the place that everything that does not exist in the conscious world that our left brain does not see.  Now, I ma not talking about the real thing, but the images of these entities because this is the visionary mind.  Anything in this world can be made real by a transfer over to the left brain that will ground it into this world by incorporation of that vision into reality.
In other words, a cooperation between the two worlds.
A partnership formed between the left and the right halves.
The ego cannot moderate this marraige.
The entities in the visionary world are just images until partnered with the ego that is the master of the world of physical reality.
The next step that contains the instructions is resident in the visionary world.  I call this entity the neoSelf
What is necessary is to form a partnership between the ego and the neoSelf.  In practicality, this then is the transcendent function.
This is what I am working on.
The first instructions come through by intentionally instructing the ego to ask for a certain type of visionary dream.  This dream comes in metaphoric code, so that is the language of the visionary side, not mathematics.
The ego must learn to decode this language, then take the instruction and put that instruction into life.
We are complex, this is complex work.
I am in the middle of it now.
In normal operoration, we have the ego driven by unconscious contents.  Archetypes and survival programs and collective programs.  We can tune the receiver to a more god-like program and suppress these unconscious programs.  Or, tune in to instructions contained in our nest evolutionary step.  Any thing that is detected on this side must be turned over to the ego for manifestation in the real world otherwise it just remains image.

[joe]

In order for you to be able to recognize the middle you must also know the end result, yes?

You have told me the analytical descriptions of the two hemispheres and what keeps them separate but it seems you are still formulating what they aren't capable of doing separately and why in order to determine or proceed to some  destination.  It seems by hypothetical reasoning you have determined the real and the illusionary but are still deciding when you are going to drop into it, this place that you are going.

Would it be more effective to know the goal so that you may walk towards it? Or is it sufficient to just walk away from the known and inevitably run into the unknown possible goal? And if so how would you recognise it? Is it possible to just know what you are looking for if you have never seen or experienced it by hypothetical reasoning?
One mans treasure is another mans junk pile

[synchronox]

Joe,

You are hypothecating what I am doing.  I am not using hypothetical reasoning alone.  I have made an extensive investigation into this area.  I then practiced what I preached and asked for dreams of this nature.  I went to school to study dream interpretation.  I went through analytical examination.  I now knew how to decode these dreams containing the instructions.  I am putting these instructions into my life.
I know more than you in this area, so, please ask instead of telling me what I am doing.
Thank you
John

[joe]

So you are dreaming the instructions?
Then can you dream the outcome so you will know when to stop applying the instructions?
How accurate is dream interpretation?
Does this dream interpretation have a history? Is it something new or something ancient that has its foundation in practiced methods?
Are you half way because you dreamed you were or do you measure within a known finish line, or goal?
Just asking questions as before. Perhaps if you weren't threatened by my approach you wouldn't feel so defensive regarding the previous approach to your post. Or is this another hypothesis based on what I could interpret from your description? And isn't that what people do to assimilate information and come to understanding as you have regarding my posts?

[synchronox]

Joe,

You have been asking rhetorical questions.  People that ask these type questions think they know the answers so they really do not want answers at all.
I will answer you knowing the answer will not sway what you think you know.
I put up a string on science and its arrogance.  Perhaps first I should have put up the opposite but similar string on god minded people and their arrogance.  The two groups are identical in tenacity, judgement and outlook.

Let us play a game.  Let us assume that that this life is a training ground.  A developmental game of consciousness raising.  We are assigned a group of tools with no instruction.  To successfully figure out the use of the tools is to win the game.
Some use only one set of tools, some another set.
Some elect not to play the game.  A few decide to pick up all the tools and play the game for all its worth.  Just for the fun of it, what group would you place yourself in?
Yours as Homo Ludens,
John

[joe]

S:
A few decide to pick up all the tools and play the game for all its worth.  Just for the fun of it, what group would you place yourself in?

J:
I guess from what I have told you so far and through your best ability to follow, the one you don't agree with or the arrogant extremists group. The one that doesn't have a valid set of tools.

[h]

projection

[joe]

objection

[seanf]

Synchronox - see your point with the tools. Making use of all the avenues available - science, philosophy, music, literature (i know those two might be contentious) to play the game appeals to me. It proffers the best experience. I'm a big fan of merging ideas and taking middle paths as well.

[synchronox]

Sorry seanf,  i had created a post to your response and lost it to a computer muncher.  Will recreate it later.
John

[ID]

To return to the original question (I'm always late!), this for me is one of the acceptable possibilities of the existence of a 'God', that is a supreme (relative to us) being. If this were true, we each would constitute an atom of the divine consciousness in its development towards omniscience, or universal consciousness, i.e. a point at which the universe becomes truly self-aware. Perhaps this would be the Universal Singularity, as opposed to Mankind's Singularity discussed elsewhere in this forum. But I don't think the human brain will itself achieve this universal consciousness, it is merely a stepping-stone to a more integrated whole, although thinking of holography, we may yet be able to experience a residuum of this.

As for our competing natures, aggression/compassion, perhaps time is the element to shed light on this. Our entire history as a species has depended on a balance between the two, but over the spectrum from barbarism to civilisation, that balance must shift away from aggression. To achieve complete civilisation requires a further shift from our current state, and this is perhaps what you seek as a method, as a way of life towards this end.

My personal opinion is that there is no one way, though there is probably a set of basic parameters within which to work, on which perhaps most people seeking 'The Way' would be able to agree. I have had fermenting in my mind for some time now an idea based on a single word. I shan't reveal it yet, but it is perhaps only the basis of a foundation for living, rather than the whole recipe; we must each create our own original recipes for our lives.

[joe]

Within my own expereinces (So A few won't get too upset) The mind, the human mind is a reciever. It is capable of picking up the infinite and transmitting the data within whatever relative references are allowed.
When the mind is cluttered with the beliefs and stress of the individual life and its separation from the whole it becomes less effective in its ability to perform its function.

When it has been freed from the relative boundaries of individualism the notion that it is separate from all things gives way to a union with others as a part of the whole.

The experience of parts supporting the whole in an evolutionary process to help omniscience seems somewhat plausable but as the experience of that evolves the experience of the many becomes the experience of one.

It would seem that as a molecule of the Universal mind we would be a part that might be more or less valuable to the whole. The idea being that if you were to take away a few of the molecules or even thousands that the whole may be depleted.

The evolutionary process of deeper awareness brings awareness of the indivdualism as thought rather than form. The molecular structure of the human body comes and goes in the process of birth and death but the esssence that governs the whole would either have to be born of the many parts(molecules) or be a presence that exists before the formulation of the form.
The transformation that takes place in the formulation of the form would be another idea to look at as well.
Are atoms created or simply rearranged? In death the atoms that make up the molecules which make up the body don't die. The moisture evaporates from the tissue which transforms and dissolves back into the environment and the essence of motion, the consciousness perpetuates or goes back to which it came.

Omniscience, does it evolve or simply exist?
Many think it does both or one or the other.

What is mind? IS it the 10 lbs of grey Pate' that sits within the skull of the body? What makes it different and what connects it to the many bodies that it interacts with? What is the spark that enlivens the action within the pate'? What is it that creates individualism within the whole?

These questions begin to be answered when the individual asks the question. "who am I?"

[Dan]

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Within my own expereinces (So A few won't get too upset) .......

I am upset by your disclaimer!   >:(

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