The Beginning of Time Options

[Dan]

Num
I find your description of Him fascinating.  Can you describe the context of this meeting and some of the important lessons learned?

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[numinoso]

The context was iboten acid, the active ingredient of amanita muscaria, which influences the GABA receptors which are the brain's most important inhibiting synapses. That means it slooooows you down, thus very subtle currents come to the surface, very slow ones, and outside powers can communicate you.

I had about three occasions when this was strong, the first one was an experience of falling into an abyss, like Carlos Castaneda described, were I fell between two extremes in both of which I stayed for an eternity until I began to fall again to the other side. One of these extremes was like life, the other death. But that's just a description, more adequate would be that one was cohesion, the other dispersion. You can also say the tonal and the nagual. CC described he had a number of elastic bounces between them when he jumped into the abyss, so I guess it was basically the same experience, only that I was in bed, not in the mountains.

The other two experiences were both about the First One coming in and showing me some things, the most important of them being this beginning of time stuff. The problem was that I knew it's so important, and I didn't want to lose it, so I tried to write it down, which made my mind wander away and associate crazy things, which makes it difficult to discern the original message.

The problem with iboten acid is that you get very amnesiac. I had lapses of memory that were incredible. I did things which I only noticed afterwards from changes in my surrounding obviously effected by me. On the first occasion I broke my right foot, and couldn't walk for weeks, but I don't have the slightest notion how it happened.

The most important lessons learned were that consciousness is much more powerful than you can normally imagine. And that drugs give you a glimpse of what you achieve to perceive later on a voluntary basis once you're in control of yourself. That's why I later abstained from taking these things, because they give you a boost that lasts for some hours, but the weeks thereafter you're down. And a similar boost doesn't occur everytime you take them, so the few occasions that were really great were some kind of a fortune. I also think only few will get similar experiences after taking the same ingredients. That's why it's better to wait and celebrate these perceptions later on a regular basis without them.

[Dan]

can you describe the perception of and communication with Him, and why couldn't He explain why He should stay?

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[synchronox]

Numinoso,

How real.

One of mine for comparison.
He came in. he was about eight feet tall.  I was enthralled and powerless.  We were on my front porch.  He pointed out to the garden saying: "This is her world, walk softly.  You have no right to intervene."  He raised his hand, it was also my hand.  he pointed to the muscle in between the thumb and forefinger.  He said:  You reside here. Stay in the middle."  He then closed the two fingers in a pincer movement. Saying "When this happens, then you will act."
It took me a week to unravel all that was contained in that simple disclosure.
I knew I had been spoken to by something far greater than I could ordinarily manifest.  I was both humbled and thrilled that I had this experience.  I was using an entheogen, which I rarely do, because it takes so much energy and there is a timing thing that tells me.
Thanks for being so honest, it is a wonderful atribute of yours.
John

[numinoso]

Dan, I described the perception of him as far as I could. It was not visual, only the feeling connected that I learned about him earlier. So I knew it was him. And the communication was with meaning, without words.

I don't understand the second question. What should he've explained? And why shouldn't he have stayed? He's still here, as you can see.


John, it's interesting to see how others experience this. May I remind you that in the beginning he appeared to me as the Devil. (Later he became more and more abstract, without any symmetric or thingly features anymore.) The main difference between the Devil and a human face is that the Devil is red and has two horns. (And he's smiling and friendly, while humans are mean and ugly, most of them.) As you know, red means transformation, also a slower and older kind of energy as compared to what we humans usually have. And the two horns refer to the same two-fold nature of ours as shown by our two hemispheres. (I think they also refer to a more profound dualness of everything existing, but I have no idea what he means since there were no further hints so far. Could be cohesion and dispersion, or the active and the passive, or something else.) I also want to remark that there are many devils, and all of them are parts of him. Somehow they're all identical, but each of them has his unique personality. Not all of them are red, some are white and don't look like devils at all, but still belong to the same category. Even Zeus is one of them (he's nasty), or the creator of this universe (kind of stupid), and there are many goblins and other kinds of creatures. I had a unique experience when I was travelling on a train, and Manfred was with me, and we met lots, really lots of devils who were standing distributed all over the landscape, and sometimes Manfred saw a really interesting one and moved over to connect with him and look at him very closely. And all of them were friendly, never did I met a devil who would be mean. Some of them are very sly, and when you have the wrong intentions you get tricked and have a bad experience, but that's all for didactic purpose. If you're honest and clean and intelligent they will love you and show you lots of things. (There are some beings among them who are problematic, for example Zeus who entered my body and wanted to possess me, or some others. But they are few.) And many are outright benevolent and helpful, it's a pity that Christians have malignified everything that is not God and Angels, but the story is far more complicated since the creator of this universe (who is the God of the Christians) doesn't like the devils because they're so much older and wiser than him. Actually the story of the fallen angel Lucifer applies to him. He's egoistic, and influenced the Christians to turn away from the Ancient European Religion which was about the knowledge of the devils and other spirits. (In the Middle Ages red haired women - the Celtics - were said to worship the devil, which they did, but the devil was good to them.)

[Dan]

that is the answer I was looking for.  And all that talk of devils is very interesting, sounds good.  In the Beginning, Devil was the cure because division was Life.  At the end, Devil becomes the cancer because division is Death.  You might say Goddess, who has also been since the beginning, is hard to please.

and can you tell more of Manfred?


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[numinoso]

Manfred is a person I only know from visions. In the beginning he introduced himself as a man who was born 50.000 years ago and continues existing in a star. He showed me many things, of the most interesting sorts. But John says he's only my Higher Self.

It was him who introduced me to the devils. And he did much more to me, but it's hard to tell because the main thing always was the feeling he gave me. Like a benefactor, the greatest person I ever met. He called himself 'the devil's youngest son', but that was half in joke.


About the devils I want to add that some of them had a pointed chin, like a pointed beard, but not of hair. That could be a sign for the two polarities (the horns) being integrated into one.

If you view this abstractly it's like a triangle with one corner on the ground and two in the air. The meaning would be of a transcendental duality, mirrowed on this earth as unity.

Another thing would be a triangle with the basis on the ground, and one corner in the air, a common spiritual symbol. The meaning of this would be an earthbound duality (the two brain hemispheres) pointing towards a transcendental unity.

(A side remark to the Jewish symbol of the two interlocked triangles, one pointing up, the other down. That's the human looking up, and God looking down.)

Another side remark to a Mexican woman who told me about Manfred before I met him. (Which makes me conclude that I interpreted 'my' Manfred as identical with hers, and naming him after that, whereas in reality they probably have nothing in common.) She told me that he taught her a gesture with which you can draw energy from the cosmos. It consists of stretching the four fingers, keeping them together, touching the tips of the forefingers, holding the thumbs apart, and touching the tips of the thumbs, so that a triangle opens between them. Then you hold this triangle in front of your body at the place where you want to put that energy. You slowly inhale and draw the energy in. Then you stroke the insides of that triangle over that body part, bringing the hands apart. (Came to my mind because of that talk about triangles.)

[Dan]

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But John says he's only my Higher Self.

it seems to me that this is not a necessary conclusion.  Manfred may well not be contained in your psyche, just like I am not.  Can you tell more of what you believe Manfred taught/showed you?

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[synchronox]

Eriq,

Just a little adjustment.  These are visions from the arena of the higher self that need decoding.
This is the first time you really put these into story form rather than relating them piecemeal.
They are, in the main, very reminiscent of Gnostic teachings.  That God does not see this world, that it is ruled over by a creature named Abraxas, Sophia is suspended halfway between heavan and earth to assist in the return of her son Abraxas.  There are manifold worlds, etc.  I t sounds like you have tapped into this visionary field.  
Jeseus of Nazareth was an Essene, a branch of the Gnostics.  This is really worth an explore for you, I believe.
John

[numinoso]

Dan, the Higher Self is greater than the psyche already with C.G. Jung, who defined it. He said it's the totality of our being, but he also included things outside our bodies, like crystals, for example. In the view of John it seems to even go beyond that. He says it's like the nagual, and as far as I can see, there's no clear distinction between the nagual of an individual and the nagual at large. Joe would say that God is in all of us, in His totality.

The interesting question then would not be what Manfred really is (since he's God in his appearance for me) but his connections. For example, has there been a man born 50.000 years ago who had experiences which Manfred uses, or was this just a story. Or, is he connected with the Manfred of this Mexican woman in any way. (He obviously knows her, since he knows everything about my life, but does she know him?)

It's difficult to tell more of what he showed me. Most of the things had to do with my personal life, would be quite lengthy to tell, and pretty ununderstandable for outsiders. The last thing (some months ago) was that he was there for some days. (It's like that, there are months without any sign of him, and then he shows up again.) Then one interesting thing happened: First he became so powerful that I thought he's identical with the Devil, or let's say, with the Source. Until then I had always thought he's an individual, a human. But here he showed himself that advanced that I was really proud about him, and couldn't believe that a human is that one with God. And the next thing (or perhaps it was before) was that he began to unify with me, like he would completely give himself to me, like a father. (Like more than that.)

So from that I would conclude he's my link to the Spirit, to God, or how you call it. He also responds to commands of my ego, but has his free will and does things with me. (Perhaps in the end Manfred is on the same level as the devils or other spirits, only that he's with me always. Meaning that they also would respond to commands of my ego, although I rather prefer to let them act by their free will and only communicate with them in the way free beings communicate.)

[Dan]

well that's pretty interesting stuff

how did Manfred manifest when he showed up?  Was it in some sort of 'second attention'?

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[synchronox]

Some understandings:
The psyche is nothing more than the contents of the conscious and unconscious minds combined.

The conscious mind is jealously guarded by its master, the ego.  The unconscious mind is chaotic and not yet harnessed.  That is what I am attempting to do.  This does not mean I am attempting to control the unconscious, but align it with the conscious world so the two can form a partnership.  This partnership will allow us to excape the domination of the ego and its ruthless logical nature.  To go to the other side is to be dominated by one of the contents of the unconscious.
That, for instance would be to link up with God.  This would be to ignore the equipment and apparatus that we were born with to form this partnership.   To kill the ego is wrong, the ego must be decontaminated so that it can act properly in the physical world.  If the yogis recognized this, India would now be a Paradise.  God does not reside on the physical plane, we do (our ego does). This is indeed a balancing act but it is the road to our next evolutionary step.

The unconscious is the warehouse and storeroom of who we are not and who we can become.  it is filled with information and energy forms that try to penetrate consciousness.  

The border between the two is the battleground.

Energy from the unconscious drives the ego without its knowledge.  These are the archons of the Gnostics and the achetypes of Jung.

Many things coexist in the unconconscious.  This is exceptionally confusing.  God coexisting with the Devil in the same house.

The pressure is for things to come out of the unconscious and into the conscious world.  This is the confusion.  There is no telling what will come out next unless we construct that harmonious viaduct of communication.

The ego does not want any other entity to stick its nose under the tent.  Most people for this reason are afraid of the contents of the unknown unconscious.

The main instrument of the ego and conscious is reason
The main instrument of the unconscious is visions and imagination.
Eriq,
The devil is red because it represents new integrations.
It is considered dangerous by the ego.
The Mexican woman is the intermediary and is feelings.
The pointed beard would represent the synthesis of the two hemispheres, pointing down to the ground-to be grounded.
I would take the information from Manfred to indicate this beginning alliance was started 50,000 years ago in human kind.
The unconscious contents is contained in our DNA

[synchronox]

One additional comment.  Notice, except for Numinoso' reference to the two hemispheres, none of the discussion is about the brain.  The brain is the physical counterpart to the instrumentation of developing this information arising in the mind and putting it into consciousness in the physical world.
The brain from this perspective is a subset () of the whole: the mind.
Shawn, any comments?

[Shawn]

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The brain from this perspective is a subset () of the whole: the mind. Shawn, any comments?

hello John,

I'm not sure how you define 'mind' above.  If it's in the sense of 'Universal' or 'Absolute' Mind, then I agree that our brains, and everything else for that matter, are a subset.  But this amounts to saying Atman = Brahman; i.e., Consciousness (or Self) is the Supreme Reality.  If you mean what most people mean by 'mind', that is, an individual's mind, then I wouldn't agree.   To be more precise, I think most or all of our phenomenal content (of consciousness) can be explained by brain activity.  That is, I'm strongly inclined towards identity of mind and brain, though I keep my mind open to other possibilities.


hello Numinoso,

an interesting thing you said above:

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The most important lessons learned were that consciousness is much more powerful than you can normally imagine. And that drugs give you a glimpse of what you achieve to perceive later on a voluntary basis once you're in control of yourself. That's why I later abstained from taking these things, because they give you a boost that lasts for some hours, but the weeks thereafter you're down. And a similar boost doesn't occur everytime you take them, so the few occasions that were really great were some kind of a fortune.

I agree with you.  I've never personally taken iboten acid (I place a veil over what I have self-experimented with, at least for the time being), but agree that the initial experiences are rarely, if ever, equaled or surpassed by later experiences.  Someone on this board, and I'm not sure who it is, said 'Once you get the message, hang up', which I certainly sympathize with.  The problem, of course, is that while you're engaged in such experiences, you never believe you've gotten 'the message', but only 'a message', and that you should retry or surpass the experience to see if you can get more of the message.  This rarely, if ever, works though, because our brains adapt and de-sensitize, which presents a formidable problem.  

Ancient peoples (for lack of a better word!) regarded mind-altering substances with reverence and respect (for the divinity the substances grant temporarily).  That is really the way we 'ought' (yes, I'm being moral here) to approach these substances, and is the only way I've personally approached them (for the most part).

[numinoso]

Dan, sure all that was second attention. You could call it dreaming awake. These visions were so powerful that I had them, no matter what I was doing, eyes open or closed. Sometimes even while I was talking with others. (Although that was quite disturbing.)

John, I wrote the post in the other thread before I read this. Yes, perhaps Manfred is a collective entity, contained in our DNA. Could also explain some things.

If that was so then 200.000 years ago also something must have happened because there was the Papua who said he's of this age. He was what you might call the typical patriarchal guru. A father who enslaves his children. Kind of spiritual, knowing lots of things. Not very intelligent, but greedy, possessive, possessed. Appearing in white light, like benevolent, but in reality very ugly. No wonder that I had this great battle with him, and in the end I killed him.

Manfred, on the other hand, is a scientist in comparison. Always curious, always exploring, and very intelligent. When I met him he was with the Papua on a 'ship' in the sky the latter had built. He was like his primary companion, but influenced by the wrongdoings of this monster. Because of that he also was a bit too dominant, kind of enslaving, and somehow possessive. But it seems that now as the Papua is gone these bad habits are gone also.

Do you think it has some meaning that stuff about Papua New Guinea? And Manfred said he's Austrian. Did he just want to please me? (I'm Austrian, too.) Or is there any connection to these geographic areas, or are they to be interpreted like you interprete countries in dreams?

(There were a few more persons connected to them two, among them Moses and Jesus. Jesus was one of the smaller ones on that 'ship', and Moses seemed to be perhaps the biggest after the Papua and Manfred, but still very small compared to them.)

[synchronox]

Shawn,

I see the organization of the psyche from a different perspective than science.  That is why I have an advantage.  I have two perspectives.  The logic and linearity of the well disiplined left brain, word oriented, algerbraic, focused attention and masculine.
The other gives me a reflective resonance from the view point of the right side.  Up until now, this side has been chaotic and mysterious.
It is diffused, feminine, symbol oriented and very visual.  It is the land of the visionary and has been up til now, the operating ground of th mystic, shaman, and priest for the most part.
It has enormous content and is the main access portal to the mind.  It has access to personal contents, archetypes that rule this world and keep it operational, collective contents that we all share and that reside outside the psyche.  Images of 'God' reside here as well as the 'devil'.  It contains who we are to become.
For these reasons, I differentiate and seperate out the mind from the brain.  The brain has access to these contents due to its image processing abilities.  That is the key point.  We have an image retrieval system that can cause images to appear of these normally invisible contents.   The images are manufactured in our own laboratory and influenced by our own experiences.  These images must be decoded as they are filtered through our personal memories in the main. This is what opens the door.  I am investigating and training this processor.  If we are going to move ahead in our understanding of just how this world does operate, we necessarily also have to understand this half of the brain-mind.  Science has been too regimented and timid to stretch over to this side to embrace it.  This side has a different set of rules that it operates under.  I only wish some one with some courage, sitting in the right position, would just make an examination of this world with an open mind and no preconceived notions.  Most of our great discoveries came from this side, not the left reasoning side.

[synchronox]

Numinoso,

I suspect that when you were in your difficult days unconscious contents spilled over freely over the border that the ego normally erects to keep these images out.  The ego likes a nice orderly world.  Your image processing equipment had free range to the this area of the world not normally encountered.  I posted the above response to Shawn first to better answer your question.
I beleve you were exposed to metaphoric images that showed you past experiences of your/our lineage.
Papua=the native phase of our development.
Devil= theGnostic phase and this is certainly the dynamic that the Roman Empire distorted the idea that Christians brought foward.  Along with the image of a patriarchal, stern God of retribution that would kill and burn forever in the fires of hell.  This was obviously a 'god' to keep the superstitious in line.
Moses and his followers I believe had a religion that contained th instructions for the emergence of the ego, a departure from tribal and collective living.
Jesus- the instructions for the next step over and above the ego phase that has not been acheived as yet since the religion along with instructions were hijacked by the Romans.  Manfred seems to be your local version of this set of instructions
Your visions coincided with the visions that were the genesis of these religious movements.  We all have access to these visions.  It is only up to us to understand and employ these available capabilities contained within.
John

[Shawn]

I see what you're saying, John.  My tendency to equate mind with brain I think simply reflects a certain pragmatism and operationalism that's part of my nature.  That is, if the identity, or something like it, exists, then we are in the very fortunate position of being able to expand our consciousness and Being by tweaking and manipulating our brains in the right manner.

In the near future, we will be able to do these things, of expanding our consciousness by tweaking our brains, far beyond what we can do nowadays with the aid of meditation, entheogens, and electrical/magnetic stimulation.  Understanding the relation between our brains (or neural activity) and conscious states will unlock the doors of perception in a manner that is completely inconceivable for us today to imagine the consequences of.  I firmly believe that our notions of time (the past, present, and future), space, and individuality will be so drastically modified as to render our current notions nonexistent, invalid, and/or irrelevant.

I'm just being the pragmatist, John.  Experience can be decomposed into Perception and Action.  By equating mind with brain, I place emphasis on the Action component; i.e., of our responsibility to realize what I've laid out in the previous paragraph.  Or at the very least, I regard it as my responsibility and as an inevitability of sorts, with me being but an instrument.

 

[synchronox]

Shawn,

I too am a pragmatist and could only accept those things into my life that I could understand.
However, and here is the big difference for me, I found an intelligence on the other side that imaging retreived for me, that dwarfed my own ego parameters and intelligence level.  I am partnering with that intelligence and aiming it at deciphering the shape of the psyche and initially undistorting my own psyche.
I am not an unusual case, a freak or savant, as I have been using these techniques on helping others as well to retrieve who they truly are.  This is the first step as the next phase can not be built on distorted framework.
I am perfectly happy that you are working at this as well and only want to share my 'discovery' in the hopes that we can mutually benefit.

John

[Shawn]

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 I am investigating and training this processor. ÂÂ

out of curiousity, John, how are you investigating and training your visual right side?  Is it mental visualization of a special sort?

This 'intelligence on the other side', can you please tell us more about this or point us in a direction?

[synchronox]

Shawn,

Thanks for asking.  Of course, trying to explain this is to attempt to pack four years of university training into one post.  Or attempting to describe Africa in one letter.
Geting that disclaimer out of the way, I shall be foolhardy enough to try.  I started by taking a three year course in study in Jungian thought and apprenticing to the best Jungian I could find.  A man trained in both the oral and tradional sides of Jung.
Jung was the best of the visionary philosophers around.
Being a Swiss and an MD, he disguised his shamanistic tendencies under this cloak.  He also believed he was the actual grandson of Goethe through a liason of his grandmother.
I decided to take this training, because of our history indicating that the visionary world was the seedbank of all new invention.  Actually this was the second reason.  I had had a 'successful' life in the materialistic world and was totally dissatisfied with who I was at the time.  I also felt I was a fraud and had 'fooled' the world.  My life was truly empty at forty three and in spite of my physical success I was a mental failure.  This was the true first reason.
I tell you this to begin to answer your question.  This condition of mine ws so strong as to cause the formation of a desire to find out what the answer was at any cost.  It formed the basis for an 'intentionality' that is the major building block of this work on the visionary side.  I had a cosmic experience of a voice that talked to me saying that if I continued my ways I would be dead by the end of the year.  The voice spoke to me in October of 1979.  I was determined to recontact this voice and have it turn on.  If it would speak to me once, perhaps I could get it to do it again.  I investigated every culture, movement and religion to try to find the answer.  That is what led me to Jung.  And to his discovery of a certain type of dream that advises.
He studied the Alchemists of the Middle Ages and was the first to decode what they were doing.
There are four major types of dreams.  The investigator of the visionary world picks out what type he wants to see with his intentionality.  The key missing ingredient in dream studies.  Everyone dreams a common ordinary garden variety type of dream that has to do with the updating of memory systems.  That is what science encounters and sees its residue is just 'the wastepaper basket of the mind.  This not the type of dream that is the carrier of what I speak to.
Next is to have the intention to focus on certain areas.
So, the training is really on the areas of focus after the right type of dream has been selected.  If this is not done, anything that is resident on the other side can pop up.  A 'God' connection is there as well and if encountered without preperation and understanding, can inflate and overwhelm the recipient, giving the belief that the receiver is omnipotent.
Words are pale copies of what the process is.  The person with a drive and desire to fnd out this information does not have to generate the effort of Hercules to get in touch.  The encounter and correct entity is right there.  One of the names I call him is the dream maker.  His intelligence is astounding.  He suggests and guides, never demands.  The first job is to clean up the psyche, ridding it of instructions of others.
The dreams interlock, have amazing structure and content.  They are metaphoric as a good teaching story should be.  Dreams of this nature are the beginning tools of this investigation

I'll stop here for breath and see if I have half answered your question

Best,
John

[Timothy_417]

I'm skipping ahead, so I apologize if I regress into old arguments.

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Why not? It was a moment that had no past, but only presence and future. Time started to flow. I see no problem in that.

This seems me, an inaccurate way to define the moment of singularity.  I concur with ID in that it is absurd to speak of the period before time as if the qualifer 'before' imposed something meaningful upon a  context which is fundamentally non-temporal.  This moment is a moment, which not only had no past, but in which no past is even possible.  You can speak, if you wish, of the universe as a property of some static metaverse, or you can posit an infinite regression of causation, you can relinquish cause and effect altogether, or you can resort to that old unmoved mover theorem.  I don't know of any alternatives, other than these, unless we want to abandon our body of axiomatic knowledge (then we know nothing--and maybe we do).  If you do, let me know, or not know, whichever the case may be.

What is this mental-super-ability stuff you guys are talking about?

[synchronox]

Hello Timothy,

It was about time you showed up (Forgive me, I love puns).

To play some more, maybe the scalar point of the singularity is multi-demensional like a tiny space ship.  Playing should be the only sport that is used to make this investigation, perhaps.  A breaking back into boyhood to replay what should have been lovely times, IYKWIM.

You inquired:

"What is this mental-super-ability stuff you guys are talking about? "

I am trying to organize a part of our being that has been in chaos.  Perhaps I have an narcissistic disorder. but what the hell.  The only assumtion I can make is to attempt to do the impossible. To attempt to explain in  simplistic terms, (something that I have to do in order to stay grounded), we have nailed down one side of the equation: reason and logic.  The other side of our being is the visionary side.  A vast field containing all that we do not know and can not see except for the occassional visionaire that comes up with a spontaneous chunk every now and again.  In order to do this, I allow myself the freedom to make mistakes knowing truth will later appear to heal those mistakes.  For me, it is an exciting undertaking, an exploration of the unknown.  I think the underpinnings of consciousness lie in this direction.  This belongs to everyone, so come join.  You are very intelligent  I see, so bear with me.

[Timothy_417]

Hm, I tend to view consciousness, reason, logic, and all other aspects of the human organism as the evolutionary by-product of self-replicating genes.  Not that I like that point of view, but it makes sense to me.

[who knows]

first i wanna appologise caus ei dont know what ru taling about but i will say what i have.




that day god decided to create his unencrypted  "CODE"
the code that cntains his truth ,that contains his way of existing his experience his nature his situation ,he decided to give what he owns to the race that he chose it between billions of samples ,that race that we call it humans.
i asked myself what god is that?what perfect god is that ? he chose the human being to be his favorite race,then i smiled and i looked to myself :he chose me !
he chose this soul !this weak body this limited mind this logical specie!"what a shame"
by saying that humans do not deserve this offer i realised that god is not the most perfect phenomena  in this existense.but obviously i was wrong.
" WE WILL NOT BE LIKE THAT FOREVER"
this existense is not complicated at all .
starting with our specie
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we will never be like that forever ,theire is a kind of classificastion by levels
we could be right now in level 1 or in the level 2 who knows!
evry level depends onm its universe thats mean we are in level 1 so we are in the universe 1 that it deserve this level .
i will consider that we are living right now in level 1  
our race will live for a periode of time and then he will vanish in one day the earht will vanish this whle universe will be destroyed . then ur souls will be disactivated and this soul will be replaced by aniother one more devolopped and better then the last one this soul will create a better mind with a new universe with a new logic new laws evruthing will change and this race will continue byt doing evolutions to the moment that they will be in the final universe where they will know the whole truth of god and the whole truth of his way of existing and we will be "little gods"

[synchronox]

Who knows,

It is better for an equal playing field if you did not have the advantage of anonimity.  The people that are registered have to stand there own ground and be counted for who they are.  I do not think people want to risk talking with someone that prefers to remain cloaked.
It appears that you have something to say.  Come join us as we all try to work things out.

[synchronox]

Timothy,

I have taken the time to work on this theory of mine over the years, spending some time on what our DNA is and how it might fit into the two world theory.  Not to have an answer for everything, but to do as thorough an investigation as possible.

We have two pools of DNA.  One pool is expressed or painted on our chromosomic map that describes who we are.  This about 80,000 to 100,000 DNA pairs representing ~10 to the 26 possibilities.  These possibilities are each of our individual nature.  Color of hair, personality, intelligence level, etc.
The second pool is a group of unexpressed DNA, a pool if each bit is mutiplied in this group that if expressed would result in 10 to the 2.8 billion possibilities.  This second group is called 'piggyback' genes by those that study genes or they are of a virus pool as an alternative theory to explain their existance. I believe my theory to be much more elegant and pleasing to those with a more philosophic nature.
I equate the first group with consciousness in its early stages of development and the second group with the potential of who we are capable of becoming-the contents of our entire unconscious.
One man, the other God (He certainly would appear this way to man with this enormous disparity).
It is wonderful to play without the restraints of science, of course always with the intent of returning with the meat of the hunt.  If only to balance our dual and reciprocal ways.

[Patrick Keenan]

The notion "the beginning of time" is laughable. Just because we measured a couple of units to our own primative perceptions and scales of the known universe and a couple of coincidences thrown in, we still have no idea what we talk about when we refer to "time". Its just another way to measure things, which eventually leads to depression. In my opinion, time is pure science (fiction), has little meanig in the creation of the Universe and i think we all have the wrong end of the stick. I always refer to the Universe like a chilld lost in a cave with a flashlight. Every few steps he finds something new but still has no idea where he is going. My question is, if this child was immortal and the cave was infinite, what bearing has time on anything?

[seanf]

Patrick, time is in no way meaningless, as it is central to our way of experiencing the universe, and is also necessary for causality, upon which practically all reasoning is based. As for us not knowing what we mean when we refer to time, you could argue that we don't really know what we mean when we refer to anything - and you might well be right.